Ok, I think the age old battel between Mustangs, and Camaros, is getting just that. Old. So I got to thinking, what if Mustangs and Camaros, joined together to fight a larger problem. Imports! So who is with me, no longer Mustang Vs. Camaro. Who thinks it should be Mustang/Camaro Vs. Imports?

that's nice and all, but your always going to have people from both sides that are stuburn and refuse to get along with others. they're the kinda people who think there car is always better no matter what. but i agree it would be nice to see all the american muscle cars get along. i mean you don't see hondas fight with nissans!!!

Ya, I see what you are saying, about somebody's always going to say their car is better then yours. But if muscle cars all joined together, imports wouldnt have a chance. The Mustang Camaro battle has been going on for so long, that it would be almost imposible to change it, I just think it would be cool if you could.</P>


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Come on be nice. There's is no way in hell an import can keep up with a muscle car. So why pick on them. Stick with your own kind. Rice with rice, and muscle with muscle. No need wasting your time and gas on ricers. I know that whenever i take out my Trans Am, i only race Stangs and Camaros. And whenever i take out my Celica, i race imports. Im not dumb enough to take my Celica and go againsta 500hp muscle car.</P>

THere is no way an import can keep up w/ a muscle car??<edited><editID>mustangforums</editID><editDate>37797.972337963</editDate></edited>

well i know an import can keep up, but about 85% of the time, if the mustang is modded, it should be able to beat an import.</P>

Dump the same amount of cash in each.

The import WON'T keep up.

yup, i couldn't have said it better!!!!!!!!

I third the motion.

I fourth jeeps motion......and also the motion of the icon.....damn, I could watch that all day........... (yeah, so...I'm a perv....what of it?) hahahaha</P>

damn, I could watch that all day...........** (yeah, so...I'm a perv....what of it?)* hahahaha</p>

If you didn't like watching that, I think I would have to question your male instincts.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

Dump the same amount of cash in each.

The import WON'T keep up. </P>


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i feel like i have to state that if you had an mkIII or mkIV supra and put the same ammount of money into it as you did a stang the supra would smoke the stang hands down......</P>

supra is an import but in my opinion close(ish) to domestic (rwd and stuff).* and generally by import it seems they mean 4 bangers and junk.* and note how supras can own most all other imports?* i consider it (kinda) a poser domestic.* it hasn't followed the traditional import economy car trend, but the american muscle trend.<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9851157407</editDate></edited>

To me, the Supras, RX-7's, and the 300zx-TT are import muscle. Those are the cars i can respect on the track. Ive seen several Supras and Rx-7's running 11's easily at the track. Ive actually raped by an Rx-7 that ran an 11 sec 1/4mile. And arent those Rx-7's 1.3L Rotary engine?? I was pretty pissed when even my 5.7L couldnt even hang with a 1.3L car. But then again, my car is all stock, so i cant complain. He probably had done some turbo upgrade that costed him thousands of dollars.</P>

supra is an import but in my opinion close(ish) to domestic (rwd and stuff).* and generally by import it seems they mean 4 bangers and junk.* and note how supras can own most all other imports?* i consider it (kinda) a poser domestic.* it hasn't followed the traditional import economy car trend, but the american muscle trend. </p>


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so my question has too be are sunfires and escorts and all those just poser imports??....hmm....that should be right by what your saying since they have four bangers in them</p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9858796296</editDate></edited>

i wouldn't disagree...i hate those more than imports when riced. otherwise they're 16 year old girl or dependable daily driver cars.

Well, let me try to give my $.02 in this. Well, I definitely respect the really fast imports and all, as for speed. IMO though, I would never own a riced out import, but that's all personal preferance. But when it comes to modding, I think that domestics rule the game. American muscle is just simply the best bang for the buck, no matter how you look at it. Now there are a select few cars in the import category that come from the factory with a nicely modded 4 banger that is very decent in performance, such as the Subaru WRX, which will run 9.50's all day long in the 1/8. That's very respectable for an import. But still, that's all it is, AN IMPORT! Overall average, an american muscle car is the best way to go. And if someone was to go for the faster factory imports, then they will have to shove out a lot more bucks to get one, which will put them in the american muscle car price range. That makes me wonder... why doesn't EVERYBODY buy american muscle if they want performance? Again, it's all personal preferance. As to the topic, I agree that when it comes to battles against cars, beings domestic vs. import is such a big hit, I think all american muscle should stick together, and all the imports should stick together. You see more mustang lovers liking camaros, corvettes,and vipers more than you see them liking imports. Seems to me that should be what the battle is over, domestic vs. import. Just my opinion. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

Very well stated 03SVTcobraa. Either you want a fast performance car, or you wanta car that you can customize it to the way you desire. Imports may not be as fast, but they can be made to look better then a domestic. I drive both a domestic and an import, and i have to say, that when imports are suped up, boy do they look bad ass. For example, you can take a POS honda civic, and supe it up so much, to where you can have a car that looks different and thats more unique then other civics. You cant tell me that when you drive down the road and you see a suped up import, you dont look at it. There are just so many exterior modifications you can do to an import. Imports stand out more. I live in Texas and everyone here has a mustang. 1 out of every 10 cars is a stang. its not a big deal anymore when you see a stang, cause they all look the same. But like 03SVTcobraa said, its all about personal opinion.

i live in texas too and see more rice than mustang in town, but in the neighborhood no rice. and i laugh at the "suped up imports". ahh...and did i ever see some good white rice today...dodge stratus with the optional trunktop aluminum backless bench and fart can. interesting sight. by the way anyone seen those stupid single muffler dual turn up tips?<edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37802.0795717593</editDate></edited>

and the only body kit crap i respect is cobra r and saleenlike kits and only on newest model stangs.

I do in a way agree, with your statement, Jugador. I live in San Antonio, and stangs are everywhere though. And yes their are some ugly riceburners out there. But there are a few import guys thatput a lot on money into their car, and their imports look nice. If you ever attend an import car show, which i doubt you will, you will have a chance to see some nice clean imports. The may still look like rice, but they dont look as ghetto as the stratus you saw. The ones i see a lot down here are ghetto ricers. Everytime i drive my ws6, boy does it draw attention, but not as much attention as when im in my celica. I got the body kit, rims, real nice spoiler(not the park bench ones), lowered, carbon fiber hood, a custom trunk setup, with a custom interior consisting of 2 tv screens. Doesnt sound like a fart can at all. I know you mustang owners like to talk mess about imports, but ya'll seem to always be the ones that are checking out my car. why is that?? if you dont like it, dont look at it. All im saying, that if you want to mod a car for looks, then an import is the way to go, but you gots to have money. <edited><editID>chrisle7220</editID><editDate>37802.7877083333</editDate></edited>

well i'm just going to say one more thing on this topic.....this stuped domestic vs. imports is stuped if you think about it all imports are domestics somewhere and all of our domestics are imports some where or another so since they dont hate on our domestics why hate on theirs......but then again thats just my oppinion......

Amen to that Whitehawk. I agree that when it comes to imports, it is mostly about the appearance, and only mild mods to the motor. When it comes to american muscle, it's all about performance, not the way the car looks. Although a lot of domestic guys do get some exterior mods, there definitely aren't as many mods you can do as opposed to an import. That's all imports are about mostly, is exterior mods. I guess it just all comes down to what the individual wants. If you want GO, get a muscle car. If you want attention to be focused on SHOW, fix up an import. Just my $.02.

very well said 03SVTcobraa. I agree in every way.

Like we stated before Sean, its all personal preference and opinion. You may like speed, while others go for looks and customization. you have to respect others opinions.

no, you really don't have to respect others' opinions. maybe if the world was like the brady bunch, but many people don't respectcustom or otherwise importsandaren't going tojust because the owner does. </P>


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No one is disrespecting anyone if you read carefully I was stating my personal preference.No need to get them in a bunch if you know what I mean? <edited><editID>Sean</editID><editDate>37803.9386689815</editDate></edited>

I must say I agree with you sean. It all has to do with personal preference, and my preference would definitely be to go with the performance upgrades with a muscle car. That's the only way to go in my opinion, but others dont think so. I don't care, I know what I like! lol

Yeah 03, some people just take the offensive too easily.I would say some even take it personally, when they are not even being direclty attacked? All I said was I do not understand why someone would just want to look fast.It just makes no sense to me.It may to someone else but not to me.It is the same as looking tough or like a fighter but you are really a punk.This will call the attention of those who can really fight, and therefore you will always be getting your a$$ kicked? Just an opinion, no one need to get all worked up. <edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9883449074</editDate></edited>

i think that the segregation of certain kinds of cars is about gay. Even where im from there are the different groups of ppl that stay together...the bmw crouwd...the mustang crowd...the carmaro crowd...the "jdm" style imports and the ricers. why cant everybody just get along

not flaming or anything, but why would you want everyone to get along?* people being arrogant and thinking they're the best means it's better when you kick their ass<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9887268519</editDate></edited>

well if everyone got along it wouldnt be a good thing it wouldnt be a bad thing, it would be mostly a neutral thing, but i think personally its better than all the different groups now... i mean im sure we could learn things from other people</P>

jeepster i like your idea of treat all fairly sorry about what happend to your old accnt

There are some people out there that just cant afford to buy a domestic. An import is cheaper in insurance, more economical, eats up less gas, more reliable, and is a good daily driver. I have a few friends that would love to have a stang gt over their eclipse, but they just cant afford it. But an eclipse aint a bad car at all. they may not be as fast as a muscle car, but they look pretty damn sweetwhen their suped up right.

I dont really like the eclipse, too easily rice

Eclipses arent that bad. But they are everywhere. But then again so are stangs. Eclipses overall is a damn great car. Has a very nice looking exterior, a well designed interior, and the gearbox shifts very smoothly compared to the sloppy shifts my ws6 gives out. Id have to say the interior in a lot of import cars look better then the interior of my ws6. and those eclipses can handle pretty damn well. ive raced my friends gt-s eclipse at autox in my celica gt-s, and i was able to take him pretty well seeing that celicas handle pretty damn well, but when i raced him in the ws6 at autox, he smoked me. my ws6 cant handle the twisties. too much torque i guess. lol!! I wouldnt mind taking an eclipse.

if i got an eclipse i would juice, turbo, everything it. i would run that bastard until the crank snapped (unless i got forged internals and such)

ive never riden an eclipse or been in one for that matter... the exterior doesnt really fly by me as that great but its all preference, hows the specs of it?

interiors are for women. the specs probably suck considering they get beat so often.

Interiors are for women?? Those interiors are way better then my ws6, and i know look better then your stang also. What does a girls interior look like?

i dont have a stang but the point i was trying to say is who cares what it looks like? i guess being a ricer makes appearance important

I must say, I also care about the appearance of my car. I would much rather have a good looking interior than a p.o.s. But I do see what you're saying Jugador. Performance is what really matters. But, not everybody thinks the same way as you and I do. Some people could care less about performance (I don't see why, but you just have to learn to deal with it).

yeah, im just saying don't buy a slow car because of the interior being nice(eclipse). and a bland interior isn't always bad (trans am [ws6 or not]).

n/a Eclipse's suck balls.

A stock SOHC auto Saturn could probably beat one fair and square.

From what Ive heard, the new 2003 eclipse gt-s runs high 14's, whereas a mustang gt hits low 14's. its not bad for a v6. i seriously doubt a saturn could take one.</P>

Who said I was talking brand new?

The "DSM" n/a ones....

ya alot of ricers only car about interior, i saw this one civic that the ENTIRE interior was schemed to match freakin tigger, TIGGER! the whole interior was orng/wht/blk... <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley7.gif border="0">* a nice katzkin interior on a stang is okay, but some people take the whole interior vibe to far..<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9899189815</editDate></edited>

for real...if it has carpet and seats, thats good enough of an interior

carpet??? seats??? damn...maybe I should get some.....that ole milk carton just ain't cuttin it anymore.... hahahahaha

Just gimmie a seat, gauges, shifter, wheel, pedals, and an emergency break (oh yeah, and seat belts, and preferably an air bag).

The carpet, sound deadening material, and the adhesive tar is just wasted weight.

Who needs an airbag? If it doesnt need it to go faster, its usually not in my toy. You know the one that I drive to have fun in, not the one I take to work everyday. The only person I am trying to impress is myself. If you think my car is a pos and you are only pullin down 13-18 sec 1/4 times, well that is just fine with me. If the Mustang crowd wants to get in better with the GM people,then you need to open your minds and start talking. Bench racing is fun, and just because I may say my pos looking Pontiacruns 11's, doesnt mean it isnt so. My 71 Mach pulls down easymid 13's and it has 3.55 gears. I dont care what is on the valve cover, as long as it is 1: Inexpensive 2: Hauls butt 3: Its gotta be domestic. Looks in something you are trying to go faster in are secondary, why spend the money if speed or low et's are the goal. The ricers arent fast but they are young and want to go fast. Looking good (to them) is about all they have goin for them. The amount of $$ it takes to get a 1.8L into the 11's is enough I could build about2-3 10 sec cars. You guys want to join together? Because they are killing off the V8's. I for one will always have a HUGE V8 under my hood. 7 liters + are cool.

I need an airbag. They've saved my life, and I can't understand the rationing of the "I don't want something blowing up in my face" camp.

lol when i get a gt itll have airbags, im sure theyll save my life someday

they are killing off the V8's. I for one will always have a HUGE V8 under my hood. 7 liters + are cool.
I guess no one ever talked to you about the importance of being lite weight. Lite weight makes EVERYTHING better. It obviously makes accelerating better, but it makes handling and braking better too. If you start with a 7 liter v8, you are gonna end up with a heavier car than if you start with a 1.5 - 3 liter. And contrary to popular belief, as far as racing goes, there are TWO replacements for displacement. One is high revs, and the other is forced induction. Ricers use some combination of the above.

okay, so Dollar for dollar we do mods to our cars. I get mine down to the 2700 lb range. Make around 850 hp NA, and about 900 ftlbs. My engines only tip the scales at 450 lbs, lighter with aluminum heads. Add a blower or nitrous, and I am still under $10k. So yeah start off small and limit yourself, or just get something capable of more potential and have alot of fun cheap. If you want a true 10 second street car, it wont be easy or cheap. But its alot harder with a tiny motor.</P>


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I agree on that Mysterious.

mysterious glad you joined our forums :P

Thanks guys, heres a hint. Im a poor guy who likes to go fast. Small engines arent gonna do it in my budget, so they will never be one of my projects. I do know how to build them and for the cost I will stick to V8s. Good to be here...Lookout ricerboys, you wont win an argument if you dont have a clue or facts.

You know this is this is the first time I visited another forum. Its all the same Import talking about domestic or the other way around. I think it shows the true inside of a person. A true sports car person loves all car. I dont care what you do to your car sooner or later you will be beat by a import and the other way around, if you race aimport long enough you will get beatby a domestic . Ahh it would be a perfect world if mustangs ruled. NOT...... and I owne a Mustang gt. their are pros and cons for both import and domestic depending on what car it is. Before you die and go to mustang heven try driving a 93,94,95,96 RX7 and check out the handling. Hot dogs taste great if you never had a steak

Here we go getting into calling cars poor if they are imports etc...</P>


See the 03 Cobra get wasted by a Mercedes in this "Racing topic" and you may all wake up..it dont care if its a Ford, Chevy, Honda or anything....a car is a car, you put enough money into it, its gonna fly.</P>


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i love this post.. hahaha.. the thing is.. i see mustangs all the time.. they are a dime a dozen around here.. so mustangs hardly ever get looks around here.. youu can talk all you want about imports and them dumping a lot of money into there car and its still not that fast.. yea that is true in a lot of cases.. but you have to start with the right car.. in fact.. ive seen a lot of cases where people have dumped a lot of cash into there mustang and its still butt slow.. they sound beefy as hell.. and you would think its fast.. but i guess around here they are all bark and no bite.. ive beaten modded gt's on slicks.. even from a roll.. modded 5.0's go down all the time.. im not saying mustangs arnt fast.. but i just think that a lot of people on this board underestimate imports.. you have to give respect where it is due.. not to many domestics can run a 13 sec 1/4 mile time stock and still be able to pull over a .9 on the skid pad.. ill tell you one thing.. i dont have much money sunk into my car.. but it holds its own.. i have a lot of respect for the cars that deserve it.. ive seen some really fast mustangs out there so you have to give it up for them

nobody owes you imports or anyone*anything for respect.* it's earned not given.* 3000GT's really arent that great seeing as they weigh about 3800 pounds (thats bloated as hell for any sports car, especially an import).<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9916203704</editDate></edited>

ok i better put my .02$ in lol. yes "newer" mustangs are a dime a dozen i agree and so are imports.... I own an 86 5.0 GT a nice fast dont see everyday kinda car. But i mean take a simple drive and at almost any stoplight or any stop sign you will see a new mustang or a rice somewhere. But plain n simple honda and nissan and all those import co. try n make their cars cathier and faster looking. SURE they have some go to them and maybe a lil flare but they cant compare to american muscle by no means. I mean the mustang is a nice car but it all depends on your taste. Ifyou want a fast car that sounds nice and is easy to supe up buy a muscle car ( can add on looks later) if you want a fart machine on nice wheels and nice paint job with int. Buy a rice. Most imports are all show no go and ive leanred this by racing one to many of them. They think their fart can is loud which makes them have a fast car well their wrong.... Stock for stock muscles will win against imports and l8er on down the road domestics still will win but either way a car is a car but there are many more muscle car lovers than there are 4-banger lovers. For me i like the raw power of a v-8 compared to a v-4 or v-6 for that matter

i love this post.. hahaha.. the thing is.. i see mustangs all the time.. they are a dime a dozen around here.. so mustangs hardly ever get looks around here.. youu can talk all you want about imports and them dumping a lot of money into there car and its still not that fast.. yea that is true in a lot of cases.. but you have to start with the right car.. in fact.. ive seen a lot of cases where people have dumped a lot of cash into there mustang and its still butt slow.. they sound beefy as hell.. and you would think its fast.. but i guess around here they are all bark and no bite.. ive beaten modded gt's on slicks.. even from a roll.. modded 5.0's go down all the time.. im not saying mustangs arnt fast.. but i just think that a lot of people on this board underestimate imports.. you have to give respect where it is due.. not to many domestics can run a 13 sec 1/4 mile time stock and still be able to pull over a .9 on the skid pad.. ill tell you one thing.. i dont have much money sunk into my car.. but it holds its own.. i have a lot of respect for the cars that deserve it.. ive seen some really fast mustangs out there so you have to give it up for them </P>


the vr4 is a nice fast car, but mits don't make too many cars that fit this category. Hey jugador, bloated?? Nice choice of words..<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></P><edited><editID>redneck101</editID><editDate>37959.514525463</editDate></edited>

stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology.

i totaly agree with you 3thousand, there's a 3000gt in town and its hella fast and i agree, so what if its heavy MK4 supra's are not quite as heavy but they woop almost everything even un-modded, i also have to agree with v8eater a realcar enthusiast doesnt just like imports or domestics they like anything thats nice or goes fast or whatever it is that you like about car's. well thats my 0.02$</P>


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stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology. </P>


It makes 100 hp perliter stock? Yeah, not n/a though, twin turbo right?</P>

stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology. </P>


i dont see the reason you would get a 3kGT. weigh a lot, not too great ofpower, high cost for not too great performance, and gas mileage is only about 1 mpg better than a new edge stang. bang for the buck, 3000GT=<IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0"></P>

The vr4 or whatever you wanna call it is supposed to be fairly fast, but it is a boat. I personally think they are ugly. By the way Jug, I love your posts, you are upfront and you tell it like it is...Good work<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0">

im just saying... they lookpretty pimp(mainly the dodge stealths actually...)and are kinda cool, but they are not the best performance machine and stock for stock they cannot beat a forced induction saleen i can just about guarantee ya. it had to have been NA, and if itwas, it's little more than a stang GT. if it (your car) were an NA 3000GT i can almost guarantee you'da lost. <edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37959.8060185185</editDate></edited>

yea the twin turbo ones make 100hp per litre.. the performance on a stock 3000 is awsome.. all wheel drive twin turbo wont perform good? please are you kidding me!?!? a stock 3000 will beat most stock mustangs in the 1/4.. and not to mention it will out handle it too.. and theres never any need for huge ass slicks or those skinnys in the front.. yea parts can get pricey for the car but thats the price you pay for having an import.. ill also mention that i do get good gas milage but hey.. you dont buy a twin turbo car to get good gas milage now do you? i think the 3000 is a very nice looking car and im always getting compliments and so fourth.. you want to talk about ugly.. look at the 5.0's those things are box on wheels.. i think those are hella ugly.. i wouldnt be caught dead in thatcar.. haha... pce

whoa.. i never said the 3000 was the best performance car out there.. with the $800 worth of mods i have.. i have beaten a stock sc saleen from a stop.. and i might add it made me a few hundred richer too .. but yea that thing was fast.. didnt beat it by much though.. if it was from a roll he would have slaughtered me.. but your right.. stock i wont beat a forced induction model

yeah and all he needs is a pully on his supercharger and he'll be that much closer. </P>


bottom line: different strokes for different folks. nobody's trying to compare mustangs to your car so why are you? and what the hell is with ricers/imports thinking HP per liter means anything? HP per pound is what matters. hp per liter is just ricers way of making themselvesfeel better.</P>

Hope this clears everything up.... This means that my very lightly modded GT can spank a stock vr4. You learn more and more everyday. I ran a 13.916 at 101.3 on my very first attempt to make a pass with my car after mods..</P>


http://www.supercars.net/cars/1998@$Mitsubishi@$3000GT%20VR4.html (http://www.supercars.net/cars/1998@$Mitsubishi@$3000GT%20VR4.html target=)</P><edited><editID>redneck101</editID><editDate>37959.8368518519</editDate></edited>

i dunno about that.. i spanked lightly modded gt's when i was stock all the time.. i wasnt trying to compare any cars.. i was just trying to get some of you to open up a little and see that there is other great cars out there.. but if you want.. you can say im a ricer but knowing that my horsepower per litre is better than that of a mustang just lets me know that the tuning and technology is better.. what really makes me feel better is when i smoke a stang!

your car isnt that great though. anyone can beat a crappy year of stang. compare your car to a cobra...top of the line vs top of the line. we'll see whos fast.

your car isnt that great though. anyone can beat a crappy year of stang. compare your car to a cobra...top of the line vs top of the line. we'll see whos fast. </P>


thats great, but a new cobra vs an old 92 3000 would not be very fair</P>

i just saw a good comparson, cobra vs STi, in muscle car magazine.</P>


both cars are different in may ways but you acceleration numbers for the quarter mile time is pretty similar</P>

you can say im a ricer but knowing that my horsepower per litre is better than that of a mustang just lets me know that the tuning and technology is better.. </P>


Okay, lets make your twin turbo run 4 seconds in the quarter <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Oh yeah, when your turbo's need a rebuild let's see how much your $800 spent on mods receipt increases. Let's not forget that RIDICULOUS price tag either....</P>


<FONT size=6>THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT</FONT></P><edited><editID>Dan02GT</editID><editDate>37959.9190972222</editDate></edited>

hahaha... common no streetable car runs 4's.. "NOT GONNA HAPPEN" actually the vr4 doesnt have much of a problem with turbo failure.. mainly becasue the turbos are so small.. but when its time to upgrade i can upgrade to twin 15g's for less than $900.. not bad at all.. but for now.. my stock 9 b's are fine ;)

According to the site that was posted, you only run 14.2 in the 1/4? And you're twin turbo'd? Surely that site was wrong...if not, that car is slowwwwww

For $40k it is...

you can say im a ricer but knowing that my horsepower per litre is better than that of a mustang just lets me know that the tuning and technology is better.. </P>


Okay, lets make your twin turbo run 4 seconds in the quarter <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Oh yeah, when your turbo's need a rebuild let's see how much your $800 spent on mods receipt increases. Let's not forget that RIDICULOUS price tag either....</P>


<FONT size=6>THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT</FONT></P>


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Yes there is... that's why you drive a 281ci Mustang. There are THREE cars made in 1994 (year of my car) in my car's price range that would beat it hands down in a race; the Formula, Trans Am, and Z28. My car was $6K two years ago, runs like a top, handles great, sunroof, decent sound system, and is fairly quick.</P>

I'd rather own a 2002 WS6. Those 345 cubes are much more appealing than the 281 underneath the non-functional hood scoop on my 02 GT. </p>


When it comes down to it, there is no replacement for displacement. I'll argue 14.9 is fairly quick.</p>


You can take a 281 Ford & a 345 Chevy, lets say for gits and shiggles the HP rating is 300 for both motors. Now you can put an identical set of headers on both motors, which motor will see the most benefit from it? The 345 cubes will see significant power gains over the 281. This will go for every single mod done to the car, just proves the theory even more.</p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9926388889</editDate></edited>

I'd rather own a 2002 WS6. Those 345 cubes are much more appealing than the 281 underneath the non-functional hood scoop on my 02 GT.

I knew it, when I went with my gf looking for her another car, Honda's mainly <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley6.gif border="0"> and the occasional Toyota Celica, there were several used '01 - '03 Stangs and I sit and argued with the dealer that the scoops were inactive, he swore they were active but couldn't show me an airbox or anything, damn dealers <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0">

Who cares whose car is better than the others stock? If you like the car- modify it to be as fast as you want, dont trash talk bout somebodys car just cause they like the car and picked it. But i personally think its stupid to race a 4-banger against V8s and call it a "racecar" when its weak, it doesnt matter how much horsepower per cubic inch you have, all that matters is what you run at the track. The worlds fastest acura integra (full chassis) couldnt keep up with my buddies mustang...and his can still go faster(runs 7.90's in 1/4 on 10.5" tires).Does it impress you how much better the tuning and technology of your car is when you're facing a V8s tailights?

Who cares whose car is better than the others stock? If you like the car- modify it to be as fast as you want, dont trash talk bout somebodys car just cause they like the car and picked it. But i personally think its stupid to race a 4-banger against V8s and call it a "racecar" when its weak, it doesnt matter how much horsepower per cubic inch you have, all that matters is what you run at the track. The worlds fastest acura integra (full chassis) couldnt keep up with my buddies mustang...and his can still go faster(runs 7.90's in 1/4 on 10.5" tires).Does it impress you how much better the tuning and technology of your car is when you're facing a V8s tailights? </P>


I could'nt have said it better!</P>

Man reading about some guy who owns a tiny little engine that might run a 13 and it most likely has 4 doors almost puts me to sleep. Hp per Litre. YAWN. I know af a Jr Dragster engine that makes even more than your whatever it is Hp per liter, they arent even ONE LITRE and ya knwo what? that Jr Dragster will probably smoke you...lol.</P>


Heres how I see it. My car runs 11's looks like its the Beruit edition paint scheme. There are guys buzzin around with fart cans and wings who think my car is a pos becuz it doesnt shine. Well heres the deal, I built it, they bought it. Or daddy did. anyway, when it comes down to it, I can even beet them when its wet out because it doesnt take much to beat a high 15 sec car.</P>


So Mitsu makes ONE car that can turn a 13 and pull a .9. Yea... Im so exicted. whoohooo... Hey why dont we just get a McLarenF1? or an F40? or hell how about something simliar that is about what you gotta spend on a silly ricecar to get it into the 11's or faster. I dont need to respect anyone, it is earned. Small engines go fast through cubic dollars, some of us have bills, lives, and dont live with parents and work at Micky D's. Just with what a car payment would be for me would allow me ot put my car deep in the 9's in less than 6 months. Its kinda quick and ugly for a reason. Pretty costs money and doesnt add hp.</P>


So what if you have 100hp per liter and I only have like 70.100 x 1.8 = 180 hp.70 x 7.5 = 525hp. So who will be at the big end first? Put them both in say 2800 pound cars, oh and yeah mine is still streetable too....</P>


Im gonna take a nap now cause talkin about imports is so booring</P>

http://www.steakandcheese.com/downloads/Dericer.JPG border=

GOLD!!</P>


I can't count how many times I've talked to a kid with an import who received upgrades for good grades in school. <IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0"></P>


My parents said to me "good work, now get a job."</P>

There sure is a replacement for displacement...cough 2JZ-GTE cough</P>

u want some cough medicine? there r plenty of Supras that will rip your pos a new hole. Just face it Fords are piles of poo. </p>


Yeah, but they can't beat you though...<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley13.gif border="0">* You'll be one of those that piss everyone off, then starts a new name and begins to talk with some common courtesy after having NO friends.</p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38027.9947106481</editDate></edited>

i would at least pick a car that nobody knows about like the skyline. supras are dyno queens and can't launch for s**t. they have to already have traction to put any power down

i would at least pick a car that nobody knows about like the skyline. supras are dyno queens and can't launch for s**t. they have to already have traction to put any power down </P>


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Damn man you must have some friends who can't drive for s**t... all you ever say is "they can't launch this or they can't launch that." But Mustangs aretop dawg, noone ever spins them. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


With 650 hp you can spin all four in a flippin' Skyline. Of course you didn't know that because you've never seen a Skyline in person,except on GT3. <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">Whats that? I haven't either. Don't say that! I went to hte Indy truck bash last year and there was a RHD skyline sittin there...I dropped a load pretty quickly. <IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"></P>

no, it's common knowledge that supras are about the bitchiest thing to launch on the planet in highly modded form.ask jonny lightning, he has one and has said it before (or something similar to that). yousee people with 1000 hp not breaking10's or 11'sand running about the same as people with 500-600hp. they're good from a roll, but off the line <IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0">. </P>


and thats what im saying about skylines...very few have or have even seen them to prove you wrong about how good they supposedly are</P>

u want some cough medicine? there r plenty of Supras that will rip your pos a new hole. Just face it Fords are f*cking piles of poo. </P>


This guy is a fag. He should take his negative comments and leave.</P>

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For once Jug makes a good comment!!!<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley32.gif border="0">

You people with the supras.....shut up for a second. Reallize that there are hardly ANY out there for cheap that aren't hunks of s**t that haven't been maintained. You can get a rustang for cheap.

Now.....you wanna talk about a car that can compete with a Supra? Regal T Types, Camaros, Mustangs, Dodge Spirits/Omnis/anything with he 2.2L/2.5L in it.

Don't believe me? This Acclaim has 300 horses under the hood. The supra has 700 if I remember correctly. More than double, and it's RWD compared to the FWD so it has better weight transfer.

http://firetresses.com/pix/Jeep/ned_supra_reliant_short.mpg (http://firetresses.com/pix/Jeep/ned_supra_reliant_short.mpg target=)

And that's not even a V6...or a V8.

Supras are dyno queens, pure and simple. The people who drive them claim otherwise because they don't want to face that there are other cars out there for less that can beat them.

w00t! got one right finally!

Oh sorry--I didn't realize till just know what a bargain supras are vs. mustangs! That must be why I see so many at the track. Count the top ten fastest supras in the world (full chassis)....and then we'll compare them to the top ten fastest stangs (full chassis)- my buddies nothback runs 7.90s and i dont think you personally know a single supra owner than can keep up with that.... OK-OK i'll give you this, supras DO take the mustang on looks. Did you guys see that SWEEEET orange one in "the Fast and the Furious"? Probably at LEAST a 10 second car-no doubt! lol<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

actually im not all about the front of supras, just from behind and the side do they look cool

No...i was joking bro. . I think they are overpriced riceboxes that were cool back in middle school. And for the price they're going these days, do you know how fast you could make a fox-body stang run? I know a fox doesnt have the refinements of a supra, but oh well this is a mustang forum.<IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

refinements? what's that? <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

lmao!!! supras are nice cars, and that is why i never understood someone who owns strictly an import boasting on a mustang web page. i own a mustang so i go toa mustang site. but hey, go figure

Amen....to each his own by keep your rice to yourself...</P>

The reason we dont team up is because if we did there would be nothing to compete against.Imports are gay in my opinion.Sure there are a few that deserve respect to a certain point but i have pride in our american muscle and i support it fully.</P>


Another reason we shouldnt team up is its just wrong!Its been FORDvsCHEVY since the beginning of time.And always will be.</P>

amen... competition is what keeps us alive..

Oh sorry--I didn't realize till just know what a bargain supras are vs. mustangs! That must be why I see so many at the track. Count the top ten fastest supras in the world (full chassis)....and then we'll compare them to the top ten fastest stangs (full chassis)- my buddies nothback runs 7.90s and i dont think you personally know a single supra owner than can keep up with that.... OK-OK i'll give you this, supras DO take the mustang on looks. Did you guys see that SWEEEET orange one in "the Fast and the Furious"? Probably at LEAST a 10 second car-no doubt! lol<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"> </P>


You're right though. no supra has ever gotten into the tens..... *clicks on his kazaa and opens the file up that says "supra runs 9.813 @ 153 mph" OH MY FREAKING GOD!!! Turns out there are people runnings quick ass Supras...but as for 7.90s...I haven't seen that...yet, so I'll give it to you. <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">But hell if you really wanna get into it there are some FWD Civics out there running faster than 7.90s... so what the hell is the point of bragging about it? <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>

^^^^^^^with full frames? i don't think so..... i might be wrong nah i'm right

who cares? If they're making the times, then they're making the times. Thats all that matters.

BIG difference in my opinion, the hondas that are in that low time group aren't hondas, only thing honda is the motor..

Again...isn't that all that matters?Even with aHonda engine making those kinds of times I bet you'd still call it a piece of slow s**t.

nope, sure wouldn't review my posts, i don't bash imports, i respect anything fast, but when you are talking about a stock body/chassis vehicle dippin into the single digits and a car that is skined, tube framed doing the same, i respect the stock chassis more. i like my sisters 02 honda accord 2dr v-6 silver/black leather.. pretty car and runs great perfect for her... not for me.. i believe i have made this point several times so allow me to make it again "if mustangs are trash and slow all that then why as a nonmustang owner are you here, whats your hang up?" what s your point.. now if you are hear to learn and hook people up with info then please stay.. <edited><editID>tripsevn7</editID><editDate>37981.5504513889</editDate></edited>

Thats cool. I'm not sure. I don't know what kind of bodies those FWD Hondas run. I really don't get into pro drag racing. But I do know that there a a lot of 9 and 10 second CRX/Integra/Civics out there that run with the original body (strengthened of course) and are still street legal cars.</P>


I came here to learn about Mustangs because I enjoy all types of cars, all makes, models and brands. All I ever see is people in the Off Topic forum making fun of "rice." So I just jumped in and started correcting a few of the misconceptions I was seeing by uninformed people who assumed on their own what sport compacts were about, and then generalizing me in that category.</P>


It just seemed immature and pointless to me. I don't sit around all day thinking of ways to make fun of Mustangs on any other board. So why are some people so preoccupied withmaking fun of allpeople who drive importshere? I'm still trying to figure this enigma out. I'm driving one because: </P>


1. its cheaper cost, andends up holding more of it's value in the long run.</P>


2. it's got way better mileage</P>


3. Insurance isn't killing me right now.</P>


Whats not to love? Besides those wanna be morons who rice their cars out...yes I know, But I have seen my share of domestic rice and let me tell you, it's just as bad on a domestic as it is on an Import...in fact it's even worse. You have people racing Hondas in V6 mustangs and then cry when they lose after they added 20 lbs of stickers, a wing and colorful tubing under the hood. </P>


I'm into sport compacts because everyone and their mom has built a V8 to run 9s. It's been done to death since the first V8 was introduced. Everyone expects them to be fast. But no body expects a 96-00 EK hatch with a turbocharged B18c1 swapped car to run 12-13s. But I will. </P>


Stick around, sport compacts are here to stay and if you don't like it, then find a new hobby...like quilting. Because if you really haven't been paying attention, 4 bangers are holding their own.</P><edited><editID>own3dbyyou</editID><editDate>37981.6543634259</editDate></edited>

hopefully all forms of modding is here to stay. you are definitely right, domestic rice is the worst of all. two of the worst domestic rice i have seen are the cavaliers and there is a camero with a ricer wing.. beautiful f-body i think a 2002 with corvette wheels, black on black z28 and then this huge 2 ft high wing... i wanted to smack the guy because everything else looked tight as hell . i will never understand ricers, i understand tuners, but not ricers</P>

yea but they arent runnin 7's with a full weight chassis.....

yea but they arent runnin 7's with a full weight chassis..... </P>


Again, I express that that should not matter. They're making the times. Give em props for it. After all if you make 7s in your Mustang you'll want congratulated for all your hard work.</P>

but it does matter...if you cant realisticallyuse it on the street why be street legal

but it does matter...if you cant realisticallyuse it on the street why be street legal </P>


You're telling me you would run a 7 second Mustang on the street with out dumbing down the boost or using street tires? riiiiiight... It's the same thing with a Honda. I know that list of 9 and 10 second street legal Civics/CRXs/Integras are street legal, and some are even daily drivers.</P>

right...you can "dumb down" the boost somewhat easily, but you cant just put the full chassis back on a civic like that

What do you think they do, rip the whole car apart? that would be pretty stupid since most Hondas are unibody cars. All they do is put in roll bars and bracing. Streetable, but noisy.

hey guys i'm totalyagree withthis idea. look i got a wrecked stang in front of my house, now since yesterday i got a 96 Camaro. I prefer runin against 3000GT's, 300ZX's, 3,5 Maximas, all that japanese junk there is out on the streets. Race the japs, whoop em, send them back to japan <edited><editID>M-n-Ltunuing</editID><editDate>37985.88</editDate></edited>

You do realize that my Civic Si was built in the US withUS workers &amp; assembly plants, butyour Camaro was built in Canada? <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"></P>


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who cares- you read too much motortrend; and your pals in the 9 sec. civics are runnin gutted-tube chassis RACE CARS not your neighbor's 16 sec. CRX street car with the neon lights ....

who cares- you read too much motortrend; and your pals in the 9 sec. civics are runnin gutted-tube chassis RACE CARS not your neighbor's 16 sec. CRX street car with the neon lights .... </P>


I don't read motortrend. Sorry to dissappoint. </P>


Anyway, whats the big deal on gutted tube chassis<FONT size=5>STREET LEGAL CRXs </FONT>I mean, they're still street legal, they're still running 9s and s**t...but hell just because it's a honda, you simply DO NOT want to give it credit. Whts up with that? Are you jealous? scared that you're gonna see one on the street still running 11s and 12s? Just admit that I am right andthere are cars out there to rival your mighty mighty Mustangs andI'll leave. Thats all it really takes.</P>

*L* yeah let me do a state inspection on them and they will be towing them home*L*

yea - i never said they dont have fast cars too....BUT HERE'S MY POINT- ALL THE FAST IMPORTS YOU SEE RUNNIN 7'S OR FASTER ARENT STREET LEGAL GENIOUS-THATS WHAT TUBE CHASSIS IS! A "RACE" CAR, NOT FACTORY HONDA DUMBAZZ! THEY'RE THAT FAST CAUSE THEY'RE LIGHTWEIGHT! STANGS AND V8S ARE THAT FAST CAUSE THEY'RE MORE POWERFUL! NOW, PUT THE SAME V8'S POWER IN THE LIGHTER CAR, AND THEY WONT RUN THE 7'S AND 8'S THAT THEY DO-------------------------THEY'LL BE RUNNIN 4'S ,,,,ETC......MORON!<IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"> THE RICE IS SLOWER--GO TO A TRACK SOMEWHERE AND WATCH! <edited><editID>csm_lx</editID><editDate>37985.4925462963</editDate></edited>

Yes, rice is slower, but since those cars aren't rice, that's a pointless arguement. When you see a sponsored 7 second Civic, thats not rice. Thats advertisement for thesponsorship which is whatit takes to make any car 7 seconds. I don't care about your point because it's off on some bulls**t tangent that we weren't even talking about. We were talking about whether or not there were Hondas running 7s out there. You didn't believe me. Whether it's the factory body or not is IRRELEVANT. They are running the times and therefore SHOULD be given credit/props/kiss on the ass. Because I sure as hell know that YOU are not even running 10s. So go back to your f**king Britney Spears dancing game on your PS2 and shut the hell up already.</P>


That is all.</P>

ooohhhh good one. How old are you - 15? Yea buddy i'm only gonna say it one more time: I give em props for runnin 7s , but here's the point i brought up that you dont understand.....&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;they dont really deserve the same amount of props as you give them, cause a mustang that is as light as they are will run a lot faster &gt;like 4s . Full weight V8s run as fast as gutted 4 cylinders, therefore the 4 cylinder is maxed out on speed, the V8 is still full weightwith more potential.Thats my point kid. Dont insult me by saying i probably dont run 10s(I dont -11s) cause you dont even drive sh*t.<IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">

whatever man. Who the f**k cares? they run the times. Thats all that matters in the real world.

just get over oyur junkie piss off s**t Honda men. and don't start bustin out now this or that cuz they are junk and they are a waiste of materrila and they belong to the junkyard not to the track nor the streets

and bside that we weren't talkin bout some honda that do 7's we were talkin bout mustangs and camaros go against ricers. so please don't change the topic or make you own bout hondas that run 7's

really who cares about a 50k 7 sec car..99% of us will never be able to have one.I have driven 7 sec cars..I get so pump it usally takes a min for me to calm down..but anyway....a 10 sec is hardly steetable. car trailered to parking lots is not what I call street car...street cars are more the 11-13 sec cars that most own...am I impressed with a 7 sec 4 banger ..no....when there is enough money almost anything can be done....I would be impressed in seeing a 4 banger 10 sec car with no nitrous or turbo

i wouldnt give credit to honda for a fast civic i would give credit to the guys who built it. for a streetable 10 second car i would go with a modded 03 cobra, z06, or viper.

just get over oyur junkie piss off s**t Honda men. and don't start bustin out now this or that cuz they are junk and they are a waiste of materrila and they belong to the junkyard not to the track nor the streets </P>


Can anyone decipher that? Of course what do you expect from a guy who appears to have been drunk when thinking up his screen name as well. <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>

and bside that we weren't talkin bout some honda that do 7's we were talkin bout mustangs and camaros go against ricers. so please don't change the topic or make you own bout hondas that run 7's </P>


Well since 90% of this board categorizes all Hondas as "rice" then I guess we were talking about 7 second Hondas, now weren't we?</P>


Camaro &gt; My Civic &gt; Mustang</P>


Why do I feel that way? 350 cubic inches is why. and howit usually tends towhip Mustangs asses all over the place. Can't forget how they're even cheaper on insurance. </P>


My civic suits me fine. If you don't like it go cry into your chunky chocolate chip ice cream because I don't give a flying f**k what you think about it. It's cheap, good on gas, good on insurance and if I was rich like Jonny, it CAN be made fast as f**k. I simply do not care about rice. That isn't me. </P>

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Why do I feel that way? 350 cubic inches is why. and howit usually tends towhip Mustangs asses all over the place </P>


haha, Amen brother....<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

if either of you have issues with mustangs i invite you to click the little boxat the top right of the window seeing as this is a mustang forum. i'm sure f(or a)-body forums would enjoy your company.</P>

dont try to change the topic its not mustang vs camaro its mustang/camaro vs imports

it's 6 months old...i dont think sticking to the topic really matters anymore</P>


PS guys that offer still stands...if you dont like it you can just log out anytime</P>

if either of you have issues with mustangs i invite you to click the little boxat the top right of the window seeing as this is a mustang forum. i'm sure f(or a)-body forums would enjoy your company.</P>


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They already do, and none of them are as ignorant about other cars, or as stuck up about brands of cars as <FONT size=2>you are</FONT>. They all at least have respect for Honda's amongst other makes. But you just think it's a piece of crap, although you have no knowledge of it, and have no interest in learning about different things. You always make fun of Four bangers, yet if you get a turbo 2.3 four banger its alright... hmmm wtf kind of sense does that make, none. You say one thing in one thread and completely contradict yourself in another. It's funny though, keep on doing it.</P>


If I had bought an SVT Focus and come on here you would flame me too. Although, it does say that Focus and Lightning discussions can be held in the SVT forum on this site. But nah, the Focus is a measily four cylinder. Not fit for a king like yourself. You only want a...2.3 four...banger...huh? Now I'm confused. Jug please explain what the hell DO you like?!?!</P><edited><editID>own3dbyyou</editID><editDate>37986.171400463</editDate></edited>

what up everyone im new on this forum.. i actually drive a volkswagen... and wehn someone said earlier you dont see hondas fighting nissans its becasue the rival in the big "IMPORT SCENE" is honda vs. volkswagen. thats just the way it is</P>


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let me share a story of this past summer where i witnessed a a 93 nissan sentra se-r beat a 87 5.0 mustang..5 outta 6 times.im not getting on mustangs. im putting together a vintage mustang in my garage. but im saying its not how much you talk about how fast your car its how fast your car is when you race it. you can put someone behind the wheel of the car and the car have 350 horse and they dont know how drive then they are gonna lose. its just that simple. so i say this you find a mustang with 10g's under the hood, and you find an import with 10g's under the hood and thne you do a comparison</P>

if either of you have issues with mustangs i invite you to click the little boxat the top right of the window seeing as this is a mustang forum. i'm sure f(or a)-body forums would enjoy your company.</P>


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They already do, and none of them are as ignorant about other cars, or as stuck up about brands of cars as <FONT size=2>you are</FONT>. They all at least have respect for Honda's amongst other makes. But you just think it's a piece of crap, although you have no knowledge of it, and have no interest in learning about different things. You always make fun of Four bangers, yet if you get a turbo 2.3 four banger its alright... hmmm wtf kind of sense does that make, none. You say one thing in one thread and completely contradict yourself in another. It's funny though, keep on doing it.</P>


If I had bought an SVT Focus and come on here you would flame me too. Although, it does say that Focus and Lightning discussions can be held in the SVT forum on this site. But nah, the Focus is a measily four cylinder. Not fit for a king like yourself. You only want a...2.3 four...banger...huh? Now I'm confused. Jug please explain what the hell DO you like?!?!</P>


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QUIT f**kING MAKING s**t ABOUT ME! take a god damn look at yourself and actually read what im saying. if you dont likemustangs GET THE f**k OUT. if we dont like hondas SO f**kING WHAT? we don't have to at a god damn mustang forum. If i have a turbo 2.3 SO f**kING WHAT? at least i know how to read the f**king url in the address bar...HTTP://<FONT size=6><U>MUSTANG</U></FONT><FONT size=2>forums.com. </FONT>stop making everyone out as evil because we dont worship hondas like you. WE DONT HAVE TO! LIFE IS NOT FAIR! PEOPLE f**kING DISAGREE!</P>

damn jugg.let it out tell'em how you really feel..don't hold back bro*L*

im serious...he's acting like im the big bad wolf or something. he needs to just leave if he doesnt like mustangs. there are plenty of honda forums to care about the ones running 7's

maybe this is how the guy gets his nuts off.....most likely gets his ass handed to him from ricer boys...<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">

huh?

maybe this is how the guy gets his nuts off.....most likely gets his ass handed to him from ricer boys...<IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0"> </P>


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<IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0">I don't race. but good guess lol I like Mustangs, but I don't think they're the top dawg of all cars, like you do. Thats all I'm saying. haha Now, before your vein busts in your forehead, go take a lap around the block and settle down. hahaha</P>

i know theyre not "top dawg", but that doesnt matter. for the money you get a very customizable affordable decent performing good looking car. if thats not your gig so be it, but dont expect people to accept it when they like them.

what i believe is that all those who preferrice over domestic should make they're own rice forums and leave us alone.</P>


Oh and if Mr. Dick(<SPAN class=bold>own3dbyyou) got problems and doesn't like how i type then f**k off and dip the f**k out this forum. but on the other side i just should let the little boy talk bout his hondas and let him dream bout his 7's honda</SPAN></P>

what i believe is that all those who preferrice over domestic should make they're own rice forums and leave us alone.</P>


Oh and if Mr. Dick(<SPAN class=bold>own3dbyyou) got problems and doesn't like how i type then f**k off and dip the f**k out this forum. but on the other side i just should let the little boy talk bout his hondas and let him dream bout his 7's honda</SPAN></P>


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Please tell me you have a better arguement than that? How old are you son? 17? Theres no need for name calling like that in a simple debate like this. If you can't type, so be it. but at least make what you do type readable. </P>

dude I never get totaly upset..to exspensive*L*nah..I don't think mustang are top dog..but their cheap to mod ..would I buy an 04 mustang no....all the parts I have are for fox and 302 engines....I own a few hot chevy's but my next project will be a 4 banger.we have a nice 4 banger stang running 12:60's.... or a 400 sbc in a stang

thats what im talking about...theyre cheap to make it what you want

They require just as much money as a Civic to make run 12s. But I know guys with as much as 20k intheir carsrunning 11-12s. Thats including the cost of the car and every penny they put into it afterwards though.

what the f**k does it even matter, you dont have a 12 second civic, i dont have a 12 second stang</P>

Happy Neeew Year Jug!! <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

imports are low power to begin with .......mustangs a n camaros are higher power to begin with.......so if u both equally mode them out witch will be faster........bottom line mustangs and camaros are better its just a proven fact....and rcier fans spend more money cause the aftermarket s**t cost more for them when for musatngs and camaros cost less

Mr. Zoogs the Obvious man. Thanks for pointing all that information out. I thought my Si had 350 hp!! <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0">

if thats true then how is it mustangs and civics require the same cost to get to 12's? <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

They require just as much money as a Civic to make run 12s. But I know guys with as much as 20k intheir carsrunning 11-12s. Thats including the cost of the car and every penny they put into it afterwards though. </P>


i laugh my @$$ off and object your stupidity, a stang lets say gt only needs a...100-150 shot to hit 12's WITH STCK INTERNALS $650 </P>


honda-12's=turbo, internals, most likely no engine smaller than a b16well over$5000 or we go like the stang w/ stock internal with a 100-150 shot in the civic and... BLOW woohoo </P>


no your statement is totally a brainless comment full of no sort of knowledge on the previously stated vehicles....... hehe that was pretty cool in other words WRONG!!!</P>


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dito

They require just as much money as a Civic to make run 12s. But I know guys with as much as 20k intheir carsrunning 11-12s. Thats including the cost of the car and every penny they put into it afterwards though. </P>


i laugh my @$$ off and object your stupidity, a stang lets say gt only needs a...100-150 shot to hit 12's WITH STCK INTERNALS $650 </P>


honda-12's=turbo, internals, most likely no engine smaller than a b16well over$5000 or we go like the stang w/ stock internal with a 100-150 shot in the civic and... BLOW woohoo </P>


no your statement is totally a brainless comment full of no sort of knowledge on the previously stated vehicles....... hehe that was pretty cool in other words WRONG!!!</P>


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Apparently you no nothing of Hondas. Lets see here. </P>


EK Hatch off Ebay= $3500</P>


Slightly used GSR 1.8L B18c1 off Ebay= $3400 (including 5 sp and ECU) Oh and since you're going to debate whether or not the engine can hold8 psi. Yes, yes it can.</P>


FMAX Turbo Kit 1.8L8 psi ready-to-install Turbo Kit= $3300</P>


well s**t there's a LOW 12 second turbo hatch for $10,200 bucks. Now how much did your brand new GT cost? 24k?hmmmm ok</P>


Yeah my "facts" are stupid and my EK Turbo hatch is pretty expensive, huh? <IMG src=smileys/smiley24.gif border="0"></P>


Now who's wrong, if you're going to debate that at least have some facts.</P><edited><editID>own3dbyyou</editID><editDate>37987.5518981482</editDate></edited>

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Apparently you no nothing of Hondas. Lets see here. </P>


EK Hatch off Ebay= $3500</P>


Slightly used GSR 1.8L B18c1 off Ebay= $3400 (including 5 sp and ECU) Oh and since you're going to debate whether or not the engine can hold8 psi. Yes, yes it can.</P>


FMAX Turbo Kit 1.8L8 psi ready-to-install Turbo Kit= $3300</P>


well s**t there's a LOW 12 second turbo hatch for $10,200 bucks. Now how much did your brand new GT cost? 24k?hmmmm ok</P>


Yeah my "facts" are stupid and my EK Turbo hatch is pretty expensive, huh? <IMG src=smileys/smiley24.gif border="0"></P>


Now who's wrong, if you're going to debate that at least have some facts.</P>


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a hatch i see them going for as low as $1500... shutup</P>


i said b16 my friend bought one from a local shop w/ tranny for $1,800...shutup</P>


i said turbo cost $3,400, $100 overoooo no, and that was estimated ....shutup</P>


and he bought the civic cause thats what he can offord the guy with the GT could afford that so he puts the same turbo kit whose faster do i hear 415lb ft of torque w/ 6psi say no and i'll shut you up i have the 5.0 mag right in front of mew/ a gt w/ 6psi w/ those numbers and i see 11's w/ 8 psi thanx</P><edited><editID>SA_Cobra</editID><editDate>37987.5751388889</editDate></edited>

own3dbyou is right. any one that still thinks imports are slow and will never run with a v8 is so ignorant. yeah most of the imports you see on the street are riced out and look like ass, but its because stupid 16 year old kids with no money think parts from the local car store is cool. to the dude who think imports cant handle much hp with out blowing up, go get your self a 1st gen tsi, for $2000. invest 2-3k in it, and youll have 300 all wheel hp.

ok? i never said imports are slow so check that i actually love the S2000, Supra, and Rx-7, check that and i seen HB's EK-4 boosting 5 psi blow there engine imports arnt slow but cant completely out do V-8's i know of stangs poping 1,200 horses and that not fullytopped outfullytop outis that dragsters w/3000 horses and that a V-8 and this has nothing to w/ how it started</P>


its take alot less money for a GT to hit 12's again capable w/ a 100-150 shot of nitrous and i again state a stock V-8 can do it and a 4 banger cannot meaning it only takes a stang about $650 to achieve that</P>

dude i love v8s , and i have a v8. i just personally think the inline engine is better than a v shape. 1.8l hondas with 800hp are just nuts! yeah you can get that from a v8, but it also has 4 times the displacement. i guess ide just like to see see a v8 with 3000hp running around the streets. lol

i guess ide just like to see see a v8 with 3000hp running around the streets. lol </P>


I would and wouldnt those things hit 300 mph in 4 some seconds</P>


thats a killer v-8</P>


i would love to see an inline 8</P>

Apparently you no nothing of Hondas. Lets see here. </P>


EK Hatch off Ebay= $3500</P>


Slightly used GSR 1.8L B18c1 off Ebay= $3400 (including 5 sp and ECU) Oh and since you're going to debate whether or not the engine can hold8 psi. Yes, yes it can.</P>


FMAX Turbo Kit 1.8L8 psi ready-to-install Turbo Kit= $3300</P>


well s**t there's a LOW 12 second turbo hatch for $10,200 bucks. Now how much did your brand new GT cost? 24k?hmmmm ok</P>


Yeah my "facts" are stupid and my EK Turbo hatch is pretty expensive, huh? <IMG src=smileys/smiley24.gif border="0"></P>


Now who's wrong, if you're going to debate that at least have some facts.</P>


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a hatch i see them going for as low as $1500... shutup</P>


i said b16 my friend bought one from a local shop w/ tranny for $1,800...shutup</P>


i said turbo cost $3,400, $100 overoooo no, and that was estimated ....shutup</P>


and he bought the civic cause thats what he can offord the guy with the GT could afford that so he puts the same turbo kit whose faster do i hear 415lb ft of torque w/ 6psi say no and i'll shut you up i have the 5.0 mag right in front of mew/ a gt w/ 6psi w/ those numbers and i see 11's w/ 8 psi thanx</P>


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well ok thanks for proving my point even further for me. I do appreciate it. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P><edited><editID>own3dbyyou</editID><editDate>37987.5996296296</editDate></edited>

no i didnt prove your point, what iwasprovingnothing near that the point is its cheaper to make a stang go faster now how much you spent learn to read and comprehend if you can afford a stang you most likely can afford to hook it up ur just digging urself in a meaningless hole <edited><editID>SA_Cobra</editID><editDate>37987.6026273148</editDate></edited>

No see, I overpriced the s**t I was talking about, and then you came along and told me it's actually cheaper for a hatch, a b16 and a turbo kit...and then you told me he bought a Civic because HE COULDN'T AFFORD A GT. So how the hell is it cheaper in the long run? <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0">

you have a messed up life man i said we're talking about hooking about cars to run 12's not buying cars and the person who buys a civic is because thats their budget and the person who buy the GT because thats their budget </P>


bla bla bla ITS CHEAPER TO MAKE A STANG RUN 12'S YOU SAID ITS THE SAME PRICE BETWEEN STANG AND CIVIC NOOOOOO...</P>


I NEVER SAID ITS CHEAPER TO BUY A STANG READ READ READ</P>

dude i love v8s , and i have a v8. i just personally think the inline engine is better than a v shape. 1.8l hondas with 800hp are just nuts! yeah you can get that from a v8, but it also has 4 times the displacement. i guess ide just like to see see a v8 with 3000hp running around the streets. lol </P>


i have an inline 4 so dont act like im saying this because i hate imports or whatever, but inline engines are balanced and good, but 4 cylinder ones are the exception. for some reason they just aren't balanced and smoothlike an inline 6 or 8</P>

i have an inline 4 so dont act like im saying this because i hate imports or whatever, but inline engines are balanced and good, but 4 cylinder ones are the exception. for some reason they just aren't balanced and smoothlike an inline 6 or 8</P>


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?????? why dont u try and explainthat to us?damn, honda sure could use someone like you in there research and development department.....</P>

that's just how it is...i believe i read it on www.howstuffworks.com (http://www.howstuffworks.com) so you can question it all you want, but i'll trust them </P>


i cant find it there, but do some research...i see many sources saying that I6's and even I8's are far more balanced than I4's</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37987.6426273148</editDate></edited>

i must agree i have looked at the page and he is correct

Inline 6's are perfectly balanced naturally. When ever a piston's moving up, there is another one moving down to counter it, and there is no side-side vibrations. Basically it could in THEORY sit perfectly still when you rev the poop out of it.

I5 and up will always run more smoothly than their V bretheren.....except for the fact that they take up so much room in an engine bay they're not used in cars anymore except in 3 and 4 cylinders :-(

hey maybe they are more balanced. i stand corrected. i guess my point was they are more efficient, hence hp per ci</P>

ever herd of a counter balance?

Yes, vfast. However, the interesting thing with I6's is that they do not require balancing at all, the design of the motor does it <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

yep

It all also depends on how the engine is built. The B16a2 is a very compact and very well balanced engine because it's almost square. (square engine=bore and stroke are the same value) Perfectly square engines are extremely balanced, and don't need any added weight of a balancer. If you take a look at different engines like the Nissan QR25DE in the Sentra, it's not very balanced, it needs a balancer to keep from vibrating itself to death. Thats because the bore is 100mm and the stroke is like 86 mm. You're pushing 100 mm width pistons 86 mm up and down, around and around.

nothing like small engine repair*L*

It all also depends on how the engine is built. The B16a2 is a very compact and very well balanced engine because it's almost square. (square engine=bore and stroke are the same value) Perfectly square engines are extremely balanced, and don't need any added weight of a balancer. If you take a look at different engines like the Nissan QR25DE in the Sentra, it's not very balanced, it needs a balancer to keep from vibrating itself to death. Thats because the bore is 100mm and the stroke is like 86 mm. You're pushing 100 mm width pistons 86 mm up and down, around and around. </P>


yeah you could get some dinky honda engine because its balanced or you could get a normal inline 6...cheap and more common and also well balanced. higher displacement also</P><edited><editID>Jugador</editID><editDate>37988.9165277778</editDate></edited>

It all also depends on how the engine is built. The B16a2 is a very compact and very well balanced engine because it's almost square. (square engine=bore and stroke are the same value) Perfectly square engines are extremely balanced, and don't need any added weight of a balancer. If you take a look at different engines like the Nissan QR25DE in the Sentra, it's not very balanced, it needs a balancer to keep from vibrating itself to death. Thats because the bore is 100mm and the stroke is like 86 mm. You're pushing 100 mm width pistons 86 mm up and down, around and around. </P>


yeah you could get some dinky honda engine because its balanced or you could get a normal inline 6...cheap and more common and also well balanced. higher displacement also</P>


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Yeah thats because inline sixes are extremely common in economy cars. <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>


If I wanted an inline six, I'd get a semi or a Jeep Grand Cherokee</P>

lol or a nice big school bus...

Psh.....you do'nt want a Grand Cherokee.....

Get a regular Cherokee....trust me.....

really nothing grand about them

Psh.....you do'nt want a Grand Cherokee.....

Get a regular Cherokee....trust me..... </P>


Yes I know...we've had one... <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0"></P>

Hmmmmmm......................I own an import that regularly "eats" mustang gt's..........in fact, I don't even find it fun racing them anymore. Just wondering how some of your feeble minds equate "muscle" with "performance"?????......................jmo. I own a slightly "massaged" Honda S2000 if you were wondering

<img src=uploads/95LT1/A3CD9_fudckofftroll.gif border="0"> I can see myself spending $30,000 on a "sports" car that runs mid 14's if it's lucky. Get a real car dips**t, then brag about how fast it is

Any freeway, anywhere, anytime <IMG src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0">

I'm threatened by a car that not only has a lower top speed but would take way longer to get there?

Lower top speed?............Hmmmmmm......................... .....another non believer.

150mph.....like I said, lower

LT1 ownz you buddy...go to a ricer forum to learn how to install nitrous into your cam cover.

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Hmmmmmm......................I own an import that regularly "eats" mustang gt's..........in fact, I don't even find it fun racing them anymore. Just wondering how some of your feeble minds equate "muscle" with "performance"?????......................jmo. I own a slightly "massaged" Honda S2000 if you were wondering </P>


Who cares? Your S2000 runs with GTs from the factory anyway. Not that big of a deal. Although S2000s are quite nice, I'd rather not spend my time all the way up at 9000 rpm all day...it's a pain in the ass enough to rev to 7600 rpm for 160 hp.</P>


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s2000's are a nice car for the old lady, but anyone over 6 ft can barely fit. hey tilt steering isn't an option.. plus without juice that motor has nothing.. the only way an s2000 could eat me up is if i was out of gas

Hmmmmmmm.......................poor crazy mixed up pony lovers<IMG src=smileys/smiley8.gif border="0">

not hardly, just facts, i sold them for a while and i like the way the car handles, but that was all she really had. not a bad kick at 60-80 if you dump gears, but outside that, i spanked a few of them in both my gt's</P>


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first off what is a guy with a s2000 doing in a MUSTANG FORUM?? did someone take a wrong turn?? I dont know what gt's you've been runnin against, because I know plenty of gt's down my way that would laugh in your face! they would send you packing in your wifes little convertable honda!

yea and why is it that all the ricers wanna race top speed?? who cant gear a car to race on the high way. grow some balls you girl and come race the quarter!

yea and why is it that all the ricers wanna race top speed?? who cant gear a car to race on the high way. grow some balls you girl and come race the quarter! i hate racing top speed...if thathelps any...haha. ok, so i don't feel like reading all of this...but ashow an S2000 is being compared to a GT...i don't know. price range people, price range Si-GT, S2000-COBRA.

lol why dont you take your car to a real track..quarter mile is for suckas too..your saying who cant gear a car to race on the highway? who cant put money into a car and make it faster than the next persons? go take your car for a few laps around the track and then come back n talk..im not a ricer but i do have an import.

blah blah blah, who cant make there car go fast around a track, blah blah blah... yet another ricer invading the MUSTANG!!!! forum. we have some seriously confused people around here

Sure do............and most of them seem to own a mustang! All you ever want to do is talk about the 1/4 mile.......Lol! Don your favorite pair of skates, strap your ass to a rocket, light the fuse.......................and voila' Even you can go fast in the qtr. I personaly prefer driving at top speeds , although I respect both types of racing. Putting your car on the track is the only "true" way of racing a car. Good combination of acceleration, driving skill, braking, and high speeds. I'm sure most of you would prefer to sit in the stands and talk smackand watch rather than take a major butt whoopin on the track by an import. When someone mentioned a Supra.........Oh No..........lol. You even tried to "Americanize" it by saying it wasn't a true import because it was rear wheel drive.................lol. Take your lumps and lose the excuses................Sheeeeez

Straights are for fast Cars, Corners are for fast Drivers. </P>


End of discussion. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

blah blah blah, who cant make there car go fast around a track, blah blah blah... yet another ricer invading the MUSTANG!!!! forum. we have some seriously confused people around here </P>


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thatsa valid point..but..i guess when all else fails..write random gibberish</P>


and taking corners isnt quite like powershifting into 3rd or dropping your clutch at 5k rpms</P>


whats your definition of a ricer?? a guy who drives a car from japan? most "imports" are domestic these days</P><edited><editID>TwinTurbo35oZ</editID><editDate>38013.1038657407</editDate></edited>

For a lot of these guys...anyone who drives acar that isn't a Mustang is a "ricer." <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0">

who the f*ck cares!?

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what kind of cars do you drive?

all i know is that both my evo and my supra will smoke any mustang
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all I know is you just brought back a post from mid 03, so your defininitly asshurt about something

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all i know is that both my evo and my supra will smoke any mustang
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TROLL. He just brought back a 2 year old thread as his first post. Crazy coincidence that he has both an Evo and a Supra. He must be rich or something.

Silly ricer, your 96 Mirage 4 door with a Evo styled body kit does not make it a real EVO.
Your 94 Celica with TRD stickers does not make it a Supra

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well i love mustangs and hate imports but u have to respect rx7 and the toyota supra...those things fly

man this thread is OLD

More along the lines of Camaro vs Mustang/Imports. :D

j/k. :D

ORIGINAL: Quick Shot xMLx

ORIGINAL: muscle_eater

all i know is that both my evo and my supra will smoke any mustang
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TROLL. He just brought back a 2 year old thread as his first post. Crazy coincidence that he has both an Evo and a Supra. He must be rich or something.

Silly ricer, your 96 Mirage 4 door with a Evo styled body kit does not make it a real EVO.
Your 94 Celica with TRD stickers does not make it a Supra

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what are you babling about quickshot?[:-]

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ORIGINAL: muscle_eater

all i know is that both my evo and my supra will smoke any mustang
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Sure.



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I respect the rx-7's and supras but that might be just about it for imports maybe a TT 240sx or a 300zx here and there :]

I drive an import on a daily basis....I love it. It's nice and comfortable, it's even decently peppy. I don't know why a lot of you guys hate imports. I, personally, just hate rice.

What in the blue hell is this crap?

there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement

ORIGINAL: s4697

there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement


Is that why you bought a 281?

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ORIGINAL: s4697

there is no replacement for cubic inch displacement


Is that why you bought a 281?

Lmao. Not everyone is "worthy" enough of owning Gods 346:D