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i love this post.. hahaha.. the thing is.. i see mustangs all the time.. they are a dime a dozen around here.. so mustangs hardly ever get looks around here.. youu can talk all you want about imports and them dumping a lot of money into there car and its still not that fast.. yea that is true in a lot of cases.. but you have to start with the right car.. in fact.. ive seen a lot of cases where people have dumped a lot of cash into there mustang and its still butt slow.. they sound beefy as hell.. and you would think its fast.. but i guess around here they are all bark and no bite.. ive beaten modded gt's on slicks.. even from a roll.. modded 5.0's go down all the time.. im not saying mustangs arnt fast.. but i just think that a lot of people on this board underestimate imports.. you have to give respect where it is due.. not to many domestics can run a 13 sec 1/4 mile time stock and still be able to pull over a .9 on the skid pad.. ill tell you one thing.. i dont have much money sunk into my car.. but it holds its own.. i have a lot of respect for the cars that deserve it.. ive seen some really fast mustangs out there so you have to give it up for them
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nobody owes you imports or anyone anything for respect. it's earned not given. 3000GT's really arent that great seeing as they weigh about 3800 pounds (thats bloated as hell for any sports car, especially an import).Admin38027.9916203704
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ok i better put my .02$ in lol. yes "newer" mustangs are a dime a dozen i agree and so are imports.... I own an 86 5.0 GT a nice fast dont see everyday kinda car. But i mean take a simple drive and at almost any stoplight or any stop sign you will see a new mustang or a rice somewhere. But plain n simple honda and nissan and all those import co. try n make their cars cathier and faster looking. SURE they have some go to them and maybe a lil flare but they cant compare to american muscle by no means. I mean the mustang is a nice car but it all depends on your taste. If you want a fast car that sounds nice and is easy to supe up buy a muscle car ( can add on looks later) if you want a fart machine on nice wheels and nice paint job with int. Buy a rice. Most imports are all show no go and ive leanred this by racing one to many of them. They think their fart can is loud which makes them have a fast car well their wrong.... Stock for stock muscles will win against imports and l8er on down the road domestics still will win but either way a car is a car but there are many more muscle car lovers than there are 4-banger lovers. For me i like the raw power of a v-8 compared to a v-4 or v-6 for that matter
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[QUOTE=TT-3thousand]i love this post.. hahaha.. the thing is.. i see mustangs all the time.. they are a dime a dozen around here.. so mustangs hardly ever get looks around here.. youu can talk all you want about imports and them dumping a lot of money into there car and its still not that fast.. yea that is true in a lot of cases.. but you have to start with the right car.. in fact.. ive seen a lot of cases where people have dumped a lot of cash into there mustang and its still butt slow.. they sound beefy as hell.. and you would think its fast.. but i guess around here they are all bark and no bite.. ive beaten modded gt's on slicks.. even from a roll.. modded 5.0's go down all the time.. im not saying mustangs arnt fast.. but i just think that a lot of people on this board underestimate imports.. you have to give respect where it is due.. not to many domestics can run a 13 sec 1/4 mile time stock and still be able to pull over a .9 on the skid pad.. ill tell you one thing.. i dont have much money sunk into my car.. but it holds its own.. i have a lot of respect for the cars that deserve it.. ive seen some really fast mustangs out there so you have to give it up for them[/QUOTE]
the vr4 is a nice fast car, but mits don't make too many cars that fit this category. Hey jugador, bloated?? Nice choice of words..
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stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology.
i totaly agree with you 3thousand, there's a 3000gt in town and its hella fast and i agree, so what if its heavy MK4 supra's are not quite as heavy but they woop almost everything even un-modded, i also have to agree with v8eater a real car enthusiast doesnt just like imports or domestics they like anything thats nice or goes fast or whatever it is that you like about car's. well thats my 0.02$
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[QUOTE=TT-3thousand]stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology.[/QUOTE]
It makes 100 hp per liter stock? Yeah, not n/a though, twin turbo right?
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[QUOTE=TT-3thousand]stock for stock i wax 5.0's, newer gt's, saleen's, and a lot more domestics.. so if you cant give respect for that.. than i dont know what you give respect for.. and yes the car does weigh a lot.. close to 3800.. but than again.. how much do those old muscle cars weigh? .... yes v8's can be extremly fast.. but so can 4 bangers and 6 cylinders.. i have a little 3.0 v6.. stock it makes a 100hp per litre... take a stock 5.0.. it barley makes 40hp per litre.. the size doesnt really matter... its all in the tuning and the technology.[/QUOTE]
i dont see the reason you would get a 3kGT. weigh a lot, not too great of power, high cost for not too great performance, and gas mileage is only about 1 mpg better than a new edge stang. bang for the buck, 3000GT=
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The vr4 or whatever you wanna call it is supposed to be fairly fast, but it is a boat. I personally think they are ugly. By the way Jug, I love your posts, you are upfront and you tell it like it is...Good work
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im just saying... they look pretty pimp (mainly the dodge stealths actually...) and are kinda cool, but they are not the best performance machine and stock for stock they cannot beat a forced induction saleen i can just about guarantee ya. it had to have been NA, and if it was, it's little more than a stang GT. if it (your car) were an NA 3000GT i can almost guarantee you'da lost. Jugador37959.8060185185
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yea the twin turbo ones make 100hp per litre.. the performance on a stock 3000 is awsome.. all wheel drive twin turbo wont perform good? please are you kidding me!?!? a stock 3000 will beat most stock mustangs in the 1/4.. and not to mention it will out handle it too.. and theres never any need for huge ass slicks or those skinnys in the front.. yea parts can get pricey for the car but thats the price you pay for having an import.. ill also mention that i do get good gas milage but hey.. you dont buy a twin turbo car to get good gas milage now do you? i think the 3000 is a very nice looking car and im always getting compliments and so fourth.. you want to talk about ugly.. look at the 5.0's those things are box on wheels.. i think those are hella ugly.. i wouldnt be caught dead in that car.. haha... pce
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whoa.. i never said the 3000 was the best performance car out there.. with the $800 worth of mods i have.. i have beaten a stock sc saleen from a stop.. and i might add it made me a few hundred richer too .. but yea that thing was fast.. didnt beat it by much though.. if it was from a roll he would have slaughtered me.. but your right.. stock i wont beat a forced induction model
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yeah and all he needs is a pully on his supercharger and he'll be that much closer.
bottom line: different strokes for different folks. nobody's trying to compare mustangs to your car so why are you? and what the hell is with ricers/imports thinking HP per liter means anything? HP per pound is what matters. hp per liter is just ricers way of making themselves feel better.
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Hope this clears everything up.... This means that my very lightly modded GT can spank a stock vr4. You learn more and more everyday. I ran a 13.916 at 101.3 on my very first attempt to make a pass with my car after mods..
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i dunno about that.. i spanked lightly modded gt's when i was stock all the time.. i wasnt trying to compare any cars.. i was just trying to get some of you to open up a little and see that there is other great cars out there.. but if you want.. you can say im a ricer but knowing that my horsepower per litre is better than that of a mustang just lets me know that the tuning and technology is better.. what really makes me feel better is when i smoke a stang!
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your car isnt that great though. anyone can beat a crappy year of stang. compare your car to a cobra...top of the line vs top of the line. we'll see whos fast.
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[QUOTE=Jugador]your car isnt that great though. anyone can beat a crappy year of stang. compare your car to a cobra...top of the line vs top of the line. we'll see whos fast.[/QUOTE]
thats great, but a new cobra vs an old 92 3000 would not be very fair
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[QUOTE=TT-3thousand] you can say im a ricer but knowing that my horsepower per litre is better than that of a mustang just lets me know that the tuning and technology is better.. [/QUOTE]
Okay, lets make your twin turbo run 4 seconds in the quarter AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Oh yeah, when your turbo's need a rebuild let's see how much your $800 spent on mods receipt increases. Let's not forget that RIDICULOUS price tag either....
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hahaha... common no streetable car runs 4's.. "NOT GONNA HAPPEN" actually the vr4 doesnt have much of a problem with turbo failure.. mainly becasue the turbos are so small.. but when its time to upgrade i can upgrade to twin 15g's for less than $900.. not bad at all.. but for now.. my stock 9 b's are fine ;)
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AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Oh yeah, when your turbo's need a rebuild let's see how much your $800 spent on mods receipt increases. Let's not forget that RIDICULOUS price tag either....