RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/11/2006 8:12:24 AM
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pj1010
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Until I witness first hand a 99 GT with less than 300 horsepower going 12.x, I just don't believe it.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/11/2006 11:09:56 AM
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i timed it with the stopwatch on my cell phone. i know that's not the most accurate thing to do, but it came back in the 14s every time. i'm very bored.
got a 13.8 that time.
delk, do you at least have said time slip(s)? it's a little hard to believe without the big numbers showing up, or even just pics of your car and the mods.
I guess it depends on when you stop counting in relation to the end of the track. I think i got a pritty good spot and count going and i only see 13.5 maybe. I really dont think its a high 12 second car, but i tell you this its still pritty damn quick. But high 12...... I might say that if i was desperate for attention.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/11/2006 11:10:12 PM
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That car is all 60 foot, F/S cars don't really trap all that well for thier ET. The one I work on has been 11.70 @ 114 with a 1.58 60 foot. If the 60 foot is off by a tenth the car runs in the 12's. For us the race is over at the 60 foot.
PS good way to run off a potentally knowlagable NMRA racer guys, no wonder no serious class type racers are on this site.
Most of you people have no clue whats going on in the NMRA.
A persons inablity to do somthing does not make it impossible.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/12/2006 9:29:29 PM
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Everyone....yes this will be my first post and you can flame and call me a noob all you want...but theres a reason this is my first post, simply because i come here to watch videos and not much more if i want to discuss car matters i am generally on stangcrazy.com . This wont be directed at anyone in paticular but; maybe you should listen to JD1969 a little more, he seems to know what hes talking about; JD i also help a little with an NMRA car, a pure street car though. For you guys to wave the BS card around on this is almost ignorant. I highly suggest if you are in disbelief a bolt on car can run in the 11's or even mid 12's you should definately go to stangcrazy.com and check out the factory stock class forum and ask some questions. even just ask for some times and best times run. Now i could be wrong but that car appeared to be the 99gt from JPC Racing. And that is definately an 11 second car. Ive seen it do it in person. If you dont recognize the name JPC then you should check them out, they're good people with a lot of knowledge and can help you get just about anything. They also own an 05 that is currently the fastest 3v in the country if i recall correctly. The NMRA Factory Stock class is absolutely no joke, you need to run in the 11's with a bolt on car to be competitive. Right now I own a stock heads cam intake 91 GT that has been a best of 12.28...Again i am not making insults or throwing stones... Just suggesting that you check out the NMRA world and see just exactly what guys out there are doing with cars, and seeing what competitive times are. There is ALOT more to gettin a car to run fast than mere power.... Just check out stangcrazy.com and see what the leading edge in mustang performance is and see who is pushing the envelope with certain combinations and just how far they are pushing it. Some really incredible stuff to be learned out there.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/13/2006 12:29:21 AM
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"This is a 99 GT with UDP's, catback exhaust, suspension work, DR's and a tune."
LOL complete utter bullshat please I hope no-one falls for this.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/13/2006 1:02:55 PM
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pj1010
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Everyone....yes this will be my first post and you can flame and call me a noob all you want...but theres a reason this is my first post, simply because i come here to watch videos and not much more if i want to discuss car matters i am generally on stangcrazy.com . This wont be directed at anyone in paticular but; maybe you should listen to JD1969 a little more, he seems to know what hes talking about; JD i also help a little with an NMRA car, a pure street car though. For you guys to wave the BS card around on this is almost ignorant. I highly suggest if you are in disbelief a bolt on car can run in the 11's or even mid 12's you should definately go to stangcrazy.com and check out the factory stock class forum and ask some questions. even just ask for some times and best times run. Now i could be wrong but that car appeared to be the 99gt from JPC Racing. And that is definately an 11 second car. Ive seen it do it in person. If you dont recognize the name JPC then you should check them out, they're good people with a lot of knowledge and can help you get just about anything. They also own an 05 that is currently the fastest 3v in the country if i recall correctly. The NMRA Factory Stock class is absolutely no joke, you need to run in the 11's with a bolt on car to be competitive. Right now I own a stock heads cam intake 91 GT that has been a best of 12.28...Again i am not making insults or throwing stones... Just suggesting that you check out the NMRA world and see just exactly what guys out there are doing with cars, and seeing what competitive times are. There is ALOT more to gettin a car to run fast than mere power.... Just check out stangcrazy.com and see what the leading edge in mustang performance is and see who is pushing the envelope with certain combinations and just how far they are pushing it. Some really incredible stuff to be learned out there.
so you are telling us that underdrive, cateback, dyno, and some suspension work can get a 99 4.6 into the 11s? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/14/2006 6:21:05 PM
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JD1969
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OneSlow5.0, if you are on stangcrazy then you know what car I help with I bet. This last year we only made the Joliet race. The year before I helped out with the stangcrazy R/S car. I appoligize for the poor attuitude of some members here. For the doubters out there, don't exspect these racers to tell you every single thing done to thier cars, there is a reason some guys are faster than others and it boils down to trial and error and spending money. Why should they just give you all thier hand earned (and costly knowlage)? Hell the GT40 heads on the F/S car have over $3000 in them WITHOUT porting, and I still don't know all of what was done to them. Class racers are protective of thier combos for a reason, but just cause they don't tell you everything does not make them liers. Some of you guys need to get off MF for a bit and see what else there is out there, MF is NOT a top racer/tech site.
Oneslow, either of these cars look familier?
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/15/2006 12:15:02 PM
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pj1010
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OneSlow5.0, if you are on stangcrazy then you know what car I help with I bet. This last year we only made the Joliet race. The year before I helped out with the stangcrazy R/S car. I appoligize for the poor attuitude of some members here. For the doubters out there, don't exspect these racers to tell you every single thing done to thier cars, there is a reason some guys are faster than others and it boils down to trial and error and spending money. Why should they just give you all thier hand earned (and costly knowlage)? Hell the GT40 heads on the F/S car have over $3000 in them WITHOUT porting, and I still don't know all of what was done to them. Class racers are protective of thier combos for a reason, but just cause they don't tell you everything does not make them liers. Some of you guys need to get off MF for a bit and see what else there is out there, MF is NOT a top racer/tech site.
Oneslow, either of these cars look familier?
Thats my sitting on the wall in the red shirt.
Yes, it does smake them a liar to some extent. What you define as a liar might be skewed, but as far as I'm concerned stating a car has X parts and runs XX.XX where, in reality, it has X, Y, and Z is being untruthful. To me, with holding truth might as well be lying.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/15/2006 9:36:23 PM
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OneSlow5.0, if you are on stangcrazy then you know what car I help with I bet. This last year we only made the Joliet race. The year before I helped out with the stangcrazy R/S car. I appoligize for the poor attuitude of some members here. For the doubters out there, don't exspect these racers to tell you every single thing done to thier cars, there is a reason some guys are faster than others and it boils down to trial and error and spending money. Why should they just give you all thier hand earned (and costly knowlage)? Hell the GT40 heads on the F/S car have over $3000 in them WITHOUT porting, and I still don't know all of what was done to them. Class racers are protective of thier combos for a reason, but just cause they don't tell you everything does not make them liers. Some of you guys need to get off MF for a bit and see what else there is out there, MF is NOT a top racer/tech site.
Oneslow, either of these cars look familier?
Yes, it does smake them a liar to some extent. What you define as a liar might be skewed, but as far as I'm concerned stating a car has X parts and runs XX.XX where, in reality, it has X, Y, and Z is being untruthful. To me, with holding truth might as well be lying.
I see your point man, but again you gotta understand what it takes to build these cars and that if I find an advantage, there is no way I am going post about it on some web forum so that all my competitors can see it and copy it. Belive me when I say the the F/S car has stock cams, stock unported GT40 heads and a stock cobra intake it also has stock size valves and hydrolic lifters. No yes it has light weight pistons and low tension rings. The car is also close the minimum weight for the class. It runs on a 26 inch tall BFG drag radial and has run 11.7's with a best 60 foot of 1.58. Sorry if think we are liers just because we don't want/can't tell you everything that is done. Maybe the thing that you doubters should be taking away from this is that imagine what can be done with good aftermarket heads/cam/intake, if we can make stock parts run that good. It's common knowlage that it's the heads/intake/cam combo that makes the power in an engine. One more fact the car only makes about 320 rwhp, so our good times are not due to raw power (hint* look at suspension)
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/15/2006 9:46:15 PM
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OneSlow5.0, if you are on stangcrazy then you know what car I help with I bet. This last year we only made the Joliet race. The year before I helped out with the stangcrazy R/S car. I appoligize for the poor attuitude of some members here. For the doubters out there, don't exspect these racers to tell you every single thing done to thier cars, there is a reason some guys are faster than others and it boils down to trial and error and spending money. Why should they just give you all thier hand earned (and costly knowlage)? Hell the GT40 heads on the F/S car have over $3000 in them WITHOUT porting, and I still don't know all of what was done to them. Class racers are protective of thier combos for a reason, but just cause they don't tell you everything does not make them liers. Some of you guys need to get off MF for a bit and see what else there is out there, MF is NOT a top racer/tech site.
Oneslow, either of these cars look familier?
Yes, it does smake them a liar to some extent. What you define as a liar might be skewed, but as far as I'm concerned stating a car has X parts and runs XX.XX where, in reality, it has X, Y, and Z is being untruthful. To me, with holding truth might as well be lying.
I see your point man, but again you gotta understand what it takes to build these cars and that if I find an advantage, there is no way I am going post about it on some web forum so that all my competitors can see it and copy it. Belive me when I say the the F/S car has stock cams, stock unported GT40 heads and a stock cobra intake it also has stock size valves and hydrolic lifters. No yes it has light weight pistons and low tension rings. The car is also close the minimum weight for the class. It runs on a 26 inch tall BFG drag radial and has run 11.7's with a best 60 foot of 1.58. Sorry if think we are liers just because we don't want/can't tell you everything that is done. Maybe the thing that you doubters should be taking away from this is that imagine what can be done with good aftermarket heads/cam/intake, if we can make stock parts run that good. It's common knowlage that it's the heads/intake/cam combo that makes the power in an engine. One more fact the car only makes about 320 rwhp, so our good times are not due to raw power (hint* look at suspension)
I'm not arguin that either. I would do the same. The original post was not made in that manner though...that's my issue.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/15/2006 10:32:41 PM
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That car is all 60 foot, F/S cars don't really trap all that well for thier ET. The one I work on has been 11.70 @ 114 with a 1.58 60 foot. If the 60 foot is off by a tenth the car runs in the 12's. For us the race is over at the 60 foot.
PS good way to run off a potentally knowlagable NMRA racer guys, no wonder no serious class type racers are on this site.
Most of you people have no clue whats going on in the NMRA.
A persons inablity to do somthing does not make it impossible.
Wow JD, you hit the nail on the head. Even with my 520 to the ground and my top end power, the 60' determines my ET everytime. When my 60 is under 1.65 - I run 11.60's-11.80's - but when my 60' is even a 10th above that, I jump right into the 12's. For a recreation driver, I would think 12's would be damn hard with his power but with great reactions and 60's (which I'll bet he has) - I don't see why his n/a car couldn't do it.
EDIT - You guys have to remember we're talking about a class car and not some kid at the track in his weekend driver. The point is you shouldn't dissect the post for the list of mods cause I didn't see that as the point of the post. I saw the point of the post being an n/a car hitting 12's which is done by a lot of people.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/16/2006 7:16:51 AM
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pj1010
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That car is all 60 foot, F/S cars don't really trap all that well for thier ET. The one I work on has been 11.70 @ 114 with a 1.58 60 foot. If the 60 foot is off by a tenth the car runs in the 12's. For us the race is over at the 60 foot.
PS good way to run off a potentally knowlagable NMRA racer guys, no wonder no serious class type racers are on this site.
Most of you people have no clue whats going on in the NMRA.
A persons inablity to do somthing does not make it impossible.
Wow JD, you hit the nail on the head. Even with my 520 to the ground and my top end power, the 60' determines my ET everytime. When my 60 is under 1.65 - I run 11.60's-11.80's - but when my 60' is even a 10th above that, I jump right into the 12's. For a recreation driver, I would think 12's would be damn hard with his power but with great reactions and 60's (which I'll bet he has) - I don't see why his n/a car couldn't do it.
EDIT - You guys have to remember we're talking about a class car and not some kid at the track in his weekend driver. The point is you shouldn't dissect the post for the list of mods cause I didn't see that as the point of the post. I saw the point of the post being an n/a car hitting 12's which is done by a lot of people.
It didn't seem like people were arguing an NA car couldn't do that. I think the issue was mostly the fact that his "list" of mods didn't jive with the supposed 12.xx time claim. Some light has been shed on this by our good buddy JD.
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RE: Video of GT going 12.56 in the 1/4 - 1/16/2006 1:47:32 PM
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After reading all of this, I have no problem believing that car went 12.56. Suspension and traction will get you a long way.
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i dont remember saying that anywhere? and noone said SOME suspension work...all that was said was suspension work, no details of how much or how little....am i saying that a bolt on car can run 12's with suspension work? yes....listen man im not on here starting **** or throwing stones at anyone like i already said. I am simply saying that you should visit some other forums that have real quality information from people who have tryed it and spent thousands on different combos figuring out what works and what doesn't work. And they have the trophies to prove it. I'm saying that there is more information out there than people on this forum know about. I am saying there is a NMRA class called Factory Stock that you should look into and see what is really possible. No matter what i tell you though you probably aren't going to believe me because most people believe only what they want to believe. You probably wouldnt believe me that there are guys who adjust their suspension and what not simply to get a more desireable angle of the drive shaft from the tailhousing to the rear differential because it makes a diference....you probably wouldnt believe me with i tell you that moving your lower control arms up or down a few degrees can mean the difference between blowing the tires off of a car and pulling the front wheels off the ground...everything adds up and some things you may see minor can make a HUGE difference... Just go check out some forums with actual NMRA heads up class racers and see what kind of information you might be able to dig up....dont expect a whole lot considering they've spent countless hours and $$$ figuring it out for themself.... again to make it clear im not on here throwing stones im on here trying to point people in the right direction so maybe if theyre willing they can learn something new.... 
oneslow5.0 and jd....most people and myself are very aware of the factory stock class and what they are able to do. if that car was a factory stock car i don't think too many people would be surprised at the time. the fact is it was posted as someone's friend's car that ran mid 12 with minor mods (suspension and motor) and the average person could do it too. there is nothing average about a factory stock cars and their owers/builders/tuners...they are some of the best in the business and can do very much with very little and a boat load of r & d and tweaking/tuning.
