I have to agree with you sideways, Road racing could be the most expensive sport. But its the best way to learn to drive your car. You could use the knowledge you learn in the track in our everyday streets. Yeah obviously you not going to go 150 mph and try to brake at the last point so you can make the turn faster than your competition, but you know exactly what points you need to hit on the turn so you could do it safetly and fast. I challenge myself with the stang all the time, i try to make blind turns whithout even stepping on the brake, But thats because i know how to drive on a race course. But if you place me in a 1/4 mile track, i know how to shift, i know how to get off the line quick and i know how to get the best performance out of my car, and all of this i learned from road racing, which is something that amazes me, why would you guys limit yourself in just going straight when in other types of racing you will learn how to do everythign else.
so you think you will be great in a quarter mile because you are great on a track... i doubt. it will take practice just like the track. you might be better than most to start, but with practice you would get even better. same goes for a pro drag driver on the track. 2000 you sound like you're saying you have a fwd car because it's better for an open track. we both know rwd is still better on a track. there's just nothing there to argue. i know you would be seriously surprised how well my fox handles, plus it will run a 10 sec. 1/4 mile even though its setup for open track. granted it took a arseload of suspension parts (and $) to make it handle like it does, but it will hug the twisty's like no other as long as you stay out of boost.
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Well, i have a couple friends that only drag race, they are all chevy guys, one of them has a 1970 nova( if i'm not mistaken), They go allmost every weekend, His best time on the 1/4 was a 8.86, and he let me do a run on his car and i did a 9.04 thats 0 .18 difference, in a car that i never drove in my life. I crap my pants when that thing took off from the line and the two front wheels came up, its sure is different, but same thing happen when i took him to a road race, i though he was going to cry. So i'm not saying i'm amazing at the 1/4 but i could hold my own, and i'm just unbelievable at the road track. All the knowledge i have about cars came from road racing.
By the way, those people saying that FWD is better than RWD on the track should get smacked in the face for saying stupid **** like that. FWD you will get way to much torque steering, it will be allmost impossible to compete with a FWD in the same class of a RWD car.
I cannot believe I stuck up for you SI! Your first rant sounded so objective but then you show your true colors. If it's not what YOU like, then it's stupid right? I suppose going in a circle for over an hour is stupid to a lot of people... oh wait!...that's nascar and only the most popular racing sport in the world! I suppose the NHRA, Federal Mogal, and other drag organizations don't have any followings. Guess John Force is some walmart cashier to you. Every major coporate sponsor has some sort of connection to a drag car (be it funny car, prostock, dragster, etc) but very FEW corporate sponsors have any ties to road racing. Guess the corporate community is dumb asses to you too.
You drive around in your rice rocket and bash on drag racing because you probably know little about it. You certainly can't understand the awseome feeling of going in that staight line in your car or by reading about it on the internet. You have soo many posts in your profile, you probably spend your life on the computer and the only steering wheel your used to is a mousepad. Try going in a straight line with REAL power where it takes a lot to make sure you don't die in that staright line.
Are you going to ask what I know? I guess I'm stupid too. I only raced porsches for 5 years! The cars you drive can't even comprehend the road performance of the porsche. and I WAS sponsored. I'm certainly not trying to offer any driving lessons over the internet (LAME) the only driving lessons I give are advice and that is - 'PRACTICE AND YOU WILL GET BETTER' Don't TALK about racing, go out and race.
I can honestly say it is way more of a thrill for me to drive my stang down the 1/4 mile than road race. Now, that's just my opinion, but my opinion is based upon doing both in the cars that were meant to do them. Of course drag racing sucks for you because you drive a sucky car for drag racing. Probably be more fun to run down the track than drive a honda down it.
You are purposefully trying to provoke the legitimate users of this forum. You claim to have interest in other cars but your nothing more than a ricer a-hole getting a hard-on provoking muscle car owners from the safety of your bedroom cuz you don't have the balls to doo it on the street where you can get spanked by these cars you secretly wish you had. Don't bother responding, like Viking - I'm done with you and this thread
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Are you going to ask what I know? I guess I'm stupid too. I only raced porsches for 5 years! The cars you drive can't even comprehend the road performance of the porsche. and I WAS sponsored. I'm certainly not trying to offer any driving lessons over the internet (LAME) the only driving lessons I give are advice and that is - 'PRACTICE AND YOU WILL GET BETTER' Don't TALK about racing, go out and race.
Really, ok i was with you, when you were coming out on 2000si, but obviously you know little about road racing. I raced in europe for over 8 years in formula 3000, a step below from formula 1. I raced with fernando alonso, unfortuantly the team i was in lost his funds and my contract was cancelled. I was offer a couple of contracts for a couple known racing organization like for instence the c6r cars. ( if you not familiar its the yellow corvettes ) that basically destroy everything on the 12 hour or 24 hour road races, the only reason i no longer have a contract is because i'm to big of a liability to these teams because of a racing accident i had. You say me offering someone to learn how to drive is lame, how about you coming on here claming that you been "racing porsches" for 5 years and you know nothing or little about the sport, and that makes you speacial? I try to give and help every race enthusiast a chance to get into our sport, and you try to bash them because of what they drive???? That is just not sportmanship. I raced against tony stewart at pocono raceway, at a publicity stunt for home depot and i was told by my crew chief to let him pass, so it dont look bad, he was eating my dust the whole entire time. Dont get me wrong he is an amazing driver and there is no way i would even touch his bumper on a oval race, but i whoop his ass on the road track. if you know anythign about road racing is not what you have, is how you drive it.
Ok i know i'm gonna get alot of negative feedback for bashing tony stewart, but i have nothing against you nascar fans, i just wanted to prove a point. Actually tony stewart is probly one of the nicest guys i've meet.
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Well, i have a couple friends that only drag race, they are all chevy guys, one of them has a 1970 nova( if i'm not mistaken), They go allmost every weekend, His best time on the 1/4 was a 8.86, and he let me do a run on his car and i did a 9.04 thats 0 .18 difference, in a car that i never drove in my life. I crap my pants when that thing took off from the line and the two front wheels came up, its sure is different, but same thing happen when i took him to a road race, i though he was going to cry. So i'm not saying i'm amazing at the 1/4 but i could hold my own, and i'm just unbelievable at the road track. All the knowledge i have about cars came from road racing.
By the way, those people saying that FWD is better than RWD on the track should get smacked in the face for saying stupid **** like that. FWD you will get way to much torque steering, it will be allmost impossible to compete with a FWD in the same class of a RWD car.
Honda dont have torque steer... we have no torque remember lol.
& I love drag racing more... altho twisties can be fun as hell.. its something about sitting infront of a Pro-tree the turns me on... & I drag a honda cuz I like being the underdog
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Well, i have a couple friends that only drag race, they are all chevy guys, one of them has a 1970 nova( if i'm not mistaken), They go allmost every weekend, His best time on the 1/4 was a 8.86, and he let me do a run on his car and i did a 9.04 thats 0 .18 difference, in a car that i never drove in my life. I crap my pants when that thing took off from the line and the two front wheels came up, its sure is different, but same thing happen when i took him to a road race, i though he was going to cry. So i'm not saying i'm amazing at the 1/4 but i could hold my own, and i'm just unbelievable at the road track. All the knowledge i have about cars came from road racing.
By the way, those people saying that FWD is better than RWD on the track should get smacked in the face for saying stupid **** like that. FWD you will get way to much torque steering, it will be allmost impossible to compete with a FWD in the same class of a RWD car.
Honda dont have torque steer... we have no torque remember lol.
& I love drag racing more... altho twisties can be fun as hell.. its something about sitting infront of a Pro-tree the turns me on... & I drag a honda cuz I like being the underdog
Hey i never said you shouldn't drag race, but if its a tree that turns you on, you realize that road racing has a tree also??? But anyways, i hope you guys continue to do what you guys enjoy, sometimes i take my cobra to englishtown raceway just so i can have some fun on the 1/4. All i was saying is that i dont understand why stang owners dont take their cars to the road track, where they could easily understand what their mustang is capable of doing. My cobra is a 95 cobra with a vortech v2 s-trim, with a couple more mods, and the mod that change my times the most was my custom suspension, racing tires and my baer brakes. Weird uhhhhhhh, you would think the supercharger made the biggest difference, and thats the biggest difference between 1/4 mile and road racing, its not how fast you can get to high mph, its how high of an average you can maintain, so its all about reducing from 120-60 and acceleration from 60-140+.
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Street racing is never "necessarily safe" period. Unless you block off streets in the middle of nowhere, get a tree and some timers.
Oh wait... that's called a track. n/m. It's not the most beaten horse in the history of anything, the most beaten horse is all you knuckle heads asking me why I don't get a V8 with piss poor handling characteristics just so I can go fast in a straight line. I don't know how many times I have to give you my reasons. There's more than one aspect to your car. There's a reason why performance cars have tighter suspensions than that of their smaller, cheaper bretheren.
why the hell would I want an Si if it didn't come with a tighter spring rate, front strut bar, double wishbone suspension and upgraded brakes? Mad tyte VTAK! Well, that's one. But that helps in the twisties also.
Seriously. If all you can do is live your life a 1/4 mile at a time, you're no better off than those idiot kids with fart cans and wings who go around trying to act all big and bad with their crappy "modded" cars.
Be an auto enthusiast, not a drag racer.
James, you're no better than one of those freak show bible thumpers that believes their way is the only way to get to Jesus, and everyone else is going to hell. You have to listen to them, but they won't listen to you...
Why is it that you put everything that other people like down? Maybe some people like Drag Racing. I know that I do. I also like RWD V8 cars. Not 4 cyl FWD imports. I fail to see how you can compare us, or anything I own to a ricer with a fart can and a stupid wing just because I don't want to go race in the twisties. Maybe it's not my thing.
You sir, claim to be open minded, all it look like to me is that you force your opinion on others who don't care to hear it. Then you argue with them because they don't like to race Hondas. How can you fault someone for their own opinions?
And I'll just give you a heads up. I've done my share of road racing. The FWD car at the track...No fun. (I've raced both) Not to mention that it's the most expensive thing you'll ever do with a race car.
I never put down what they like. I simply asked if there was any possibility to them opening their horizons of enjoyment to new things.
I am open minded, I used to hate mustangs because of a friend who became a dick when he got one. After I realized how idiotic that was, I got over it and now I enjoy learning and reading about them just as much as the next guy on this board. The simple fact that I exploit the downfalls that others don't want to admit to doesn't mean I don't like them.
You say I'm like a bible thumper who thinks my way is the only way? How about this... I give them something to think about and they make up their minds whether they want to listen to me or not. Oh wait, that's all I've done... that and defend myself when they tell me what I enjoy is a waste of time, even though aftermarket suspension companies, driving technique schools, and road course operators make millions off of these people.
Everybody has an opinion, and I enjoy giving mine. It's hardly ever met with enthusiasm or agreeance, but at least people know my stance on why I'm a full blown automobile enthusiast. IMO it gets people thinking, if you don't like it fine... but there comes a time that everyone is going to want a change in their life. but, maybe not. I don't know. You'll never change the fact that I hate nascar.
There's a different way to go about telling me you don't care about something. Telling me I'm wrong, you don't care, insult me, etc isn't the way to do it.
hmm... I just popped a blister on my finger... i was bleeding all over my mouse. That sucks.
Street racing is never "necessarily safe" period. Unless you block off streets in the middle of nowhere, get a tree and some timers.
Oh wait... that's called a track. n/m. It's not the most beaten horse in the history of anything, the most beaten horse is all you knuckle heads asking me why I don't get a V8 with piss poor handling characteristics just so I can go fast in a straight line. I don't know how many times I have to give you my reasons. There's more than one aspect to your car. There's a reason why performance cars have tighter suspensions than that of their smaller, cheaper bretheren.
why the hell would I want an Si if it didn't come with a tighter spring rate, front strut bar, double wishbone suspension and upgraded brakes? Mad tyte VTAK! Well, that's one. But that helps in the twisties also.
Seriously. If all you can do is live your life a 1/4 mile at a time, you're no better off than those idiot kids with fart cans and wings who go around trying to act all big and bad with their crappy "modded" cars.
Be an auto enthusiast, not a drag racer.
I never have said that you should get some sort of other car. I realize that you like your Si and thats fine. What do you expect to happen when you come to a mustang site and talk about imports? Most car owners are idiots and biased, thats because most people own cars, thus you have a connection (most people are near retarded IMO). Of course half the people on this site are going to bitch about your import. Its part of life and no matter how much sense you make about your purchasing decisions people will still bitch. Just get used to the "why didn't you purchase a rwd V8 you import ***!11!!1!" stuff because you bring it upon yourself. Most of these people will never learn (except for the regulars generally), and everytime some biased n00b joins they will ask you the same question.
As far as not being a drag racer statement, that was just stupid IMO. I enjoy building my car to go fast quickly. PERIOD. It is what I enjoy, much like you enjoy your Si, so stop bitching. It has no negative affects upon me or anyone else so don't say I need to spend time doing other things, or appreciating other parts of my car. I honestly don't like most aspects of road racing. It is much too time consuming and expensive. I would much prefer to work on my car in my spare time, and go to the track maybe once a month or so if possible. I am majoring in biochemistry, and my free time is quite small with work and school.
p.s. I never said street racing was safe, just safer of the two which is undeniable. (As far as in a straight line vs. twisties)
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RE: Me vs. Civic + Civic vs. Vette - 12/2/2005 9:04:49 PM
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congrats on your first period there, si.
you really gotta get your hands on one of these rwd v8's, and you'd never have to argue again.
I have. It was impressive. But nothing I want or need.
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Of course half the people on this site are going to bitch about your import. Its part of life and no matter how much sense you make about your purchasing decisions people will still bitch. Just get used to the "why didn't you purchase a rwd V8 you import ***!11!!1!" stuff because you bring it upon yourself. Most of these people will never learn (except for the regulars generally), and everytime some biased n00b joins they will ask you the same question.
haha I bring it upon myself in the kill stories in a thread with a certain import specifically mentioned in the title? That has never made any sense. Nobody here wants to know anything about imports, except of course those of them who PM me at least once a week...
But anyway, if they don't want to read about imports... why do they MAKE threads about imports and then come in to bash me when I make a reply about an import in a thread about imports?
It makes no sense... I don't see how I bring anything upon myself in a thread that has an Import in the title?
lol does anyone else see this? or is it just me that see's this? I swear... it's amazing what people say to me here.
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what if I want to be a drag racer? Im less enthusiastic about cars???? what? You can go peddle that to someone stupid 'cuz I'm not buying it. Now I plan on building a car that has power and perfomance enough to drag and suspension enough to twist.
BTW I have it I don't know how hard your car can corner but mine can carve corners just fine. In the mountain roads nothing scares me more than logging trucks certainly not cornering, 80,90, and 120+ on the Grapevine and my stang sticks to the road great. Don't tell poeple how you think is the only way to think because a stang can corner just as well as a civic if not better, faster and look better while doing it.
Our cars can hold corners alot better than you seem to credit them and do it fast.
you missed my point. I know your cars corner well, but just think about the possibilities of doing it even BETTER. The thrill of taking a well known corner just 2 mph faster than you used to.
Pulling 40-60 around on and off ramps is where I get my kicks. I follow the apex and challenge myself to get just 1 mph more each time until I find my personal limit.
Going in a straight line gets boring all the time.
40-60 On an onramp???? Thats it? Pease trust me my stang will fly right past 60mph on most onramps. Thats where you get your kicks? Well you need to be more well rounded as an auto enthusiast because I think my kicks come from the moment I start my car until I hop out, top down, loud offensive rock music, and fast. When I drive down to San Diego/ TJ to see my friends Ive taken to leaving Fresno and 1030-1130 at night letting me drive the Grapevine around 1 am when nobody but the occaisional truck is out there. For those who don't know the grapevine is a mountain pass that lies between Bakersfield and the LA sprawl, its got sweeping turns and a 5% grade and can be hell in traffic or a pure delight at 100+ mph. So here it is 2000si I use my car just the way I think I should, fast when I think its safe, and always fun. Don't tell mustang guys how to drive their cars most of us now how to do that.
edit: this thread was about a guy in a mustang, the civic was a secondary character who had to be killed off to move the plot!
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RE: Me vs. Civic + Civic vs. Vette - 12/2/2005 10:49:10 PM
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That's nice. I don't think I can enjoy going 45 mph down a 3 mile road that is usually infested with cops all the while people are tailgating me because I won't budge from teh speed limit... but if you like to drive fast. werd to you.
40-60 depending on the onramp, we have some rather tight on/offramps here. E-I469 to E/W US 24 is pretty tight, never been able to manage more than a 50 kick around that one.
I've kicked 70 on the S-I69 to E-I469 exit, which is a giant loop before any understeer ever came into play. Those kinds of things are fun to me. Not driving as fast as I can in a straight line.
ORIGINAL: 2000Si haha I bring it upon myself in the kill stories in a thread with a certain import specifically mentioned in the title? That has never made any sense. Nobody here wants to know anything about imports, except of course those of them who PM me at least once a week...
But anyway, if they don't want to read about imports... why do they MAKE threads about imports and then come in to bash me when I make a reply about an import in a thread about imports?
It makes no sense... I don't see how I bring anything upon myself in a thread that has an Import in the title?
lol does anyone else see this? or is it just me that see's this? I swear... it's amazing what people say to me here.
Note that I don't think the things you say generally are bad or wrong but,
You bring it upon yourself because you need to realize that most of the people on here don't care about imports, they want to make a thread to say "YEAH, the NSX is a pile of crap" and be done with it. They want to hear thier side of the arguement and thats it. You then come in and try to explain the imports benefits (not of the NSX neccissarily, but of some soft of import) and then it begins. They then call you a ricer and tell you to drive this or that, get a real car, etc. It happens everytime in every thread just about. They (the idiots who ask you the same question constantly) will never learn, and will keep saying you're a ricer and you should do this and that. When you say that it is ridiculous that people ask you the same question over and over (about driving a rwd V8) I would agree, however it will continue to happen because in thier minds it is domestic vs. import. All of the imports qualities are inferior to them and thats it. So it is you who brings it upon yourself IMO, because you are the one that starts defending the imports and thus have the dumb people b***h at you. Though they should learn they don't, and you don't, it is a continuing process over and over and over all of the time.
Like I said in the beginning, I don't think most of what you say is wrong/bad. But for you not to realize that people are going to always b***h at you after all of this time is almost as bad as what they do. That is why I feel that you bring it upon yourself.
RE: Me vs. Civic + Civic vs. Vette - 12/4/2005 12:44:41 AM
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I know that. lol What they don't realize is why they think I'm just being a little "import rules all bitch", I'm actually having fun watching them try to explain the superior benefits to V8s. While they tell me that all imports are slow and a waste of money, I show them a Civic in the 12s for under 5k and they give me "it's still a civic," even though they spent 18 grand on their car with 3k in mods and only pump out mid 13s. That just shows me they're wrong and can't think of anything worthwhile to rebut with.
The real benefit is I get enjoyment from pushing peoples buttons. I know not everybody is here to learn about imports but the simplicity of being able to control your own browser allows you to only read the threads you want to. Oh, a "Mustang XX vs Civic or other import" thread is there? Click on it, read it... or don't. You're not going to see an import thread in this section that I'm not going to make at least one response in. So if you don't want to read it, you don't have to.
Note: I am not telling you what to do; but if you don't want to why would you do it anyway?
Sure the question of "why don't you get a real car" gets annoying, but it's comical genious... I get them worked up in a debate, they run out of reasons to debate me with and throw that out... hence my winning the debate. It's simple really.
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2000si I could give a crap less what car you drive. I do think you should be more respectful of the people you share this board with, and that we in turn should be respectful of your opinions. Banter and arguments are fine, I love arguing nothing better except driving mustangs and women, put those two (cars and women) together and thats a great weekend (with lots of arguing). Seriously though you come off so sanctimoious to paraphrase "mustang guys are stupid here they could have a 12sec civic for 5g but stupidly they buy a mustang and you know to even touch the 13sec mark in a ford you have to spend 21g" let me answer that argument I choose to buy a mustang because I grew up with them, well if Id grown up. My mom drove a '70 cobrajet when I was very young, a 25th anniv. GT, my bro Eric had an '89 GT heavily modded, Is going to be geting a Terminator when he comes home from Iraq, his best friend raced a '95 cobra R, Eric raced a '78 Camaro. Cost was a minor consideration had I waited a year until my wife was done with school I could have gotten a new, faster, 'stang but I decided to buy one at that time and research every mod and build a race car/daily driver that would out perform cars costing much more than mine.
I know my car is currently not in the same class as a C6 Z06 but in time I want to build a car that can compete in all areas with a car of that caliber and thats the difference between you and I. I know the limitations of my car. You also want your car to out perform cars of a higher caliber but insult the owners of those cars for being stupid enough to buy that car instead of a civic.
When you park next to a mustang do you really feel happy that youre hopping in to the civic?
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"mustang guys are stupid here they could have a 12sec civic for 5g but stupidly they buy a mustang and you know to even touch the 13sec mark in a ford you have to spend 21g"
I never said these guys are stupid for driving what they want. You tell me I come off sanctimonious by making a statement that incorrectly paraphrases my point. You make me sound more aggressive in that point than I ever really was, which leads me to my next point; I'm not responsible for the way these guys make assumptions as to what I mean. Their assumptions are usually the reason why they'll continue to banter at me. Not the way I explain the difference in thought process between Ford and Honda enthusiasts. (of which I really am both) Some people need to learn how to either comprehend my point on their own without throwing a hint of biased opinion into my posts, or ask questions before getting defensive.
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I show them a Civic in the 12s for under 5k and they give me "it's still a civic," even though they spent 18 grand on their car with 3k in mods and only pump out mid 13s.
is usually in defense of them incorrectly telling me that it takes 20 grand or more to put a Civic into the 12s, when people first tell me that my car is a POS, then tell me that Mustangs are better, and then (it gets better from here) tell me that I could have bought a foxbody for cheap and made it fast as hell for just as cheap... I submit my rebuttal to this flat out ignorance and when proof is given, their ignorance turns into hatred. Shortly there after, the "it's still a civic" comes into play.
People tell me they have no interest in learning about new things, but they will continually pull this insanity from their bunghole trying to tell me (in THEIR sanctimonious way) that a Mustang is always better, and will always be faster than any built Civic.
It's hardly the case.
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In a word - Yes.
Considering the weather we get here in Indiana, and my not being accustomed to a powerful RWD vehicle, I enjoy having something of a better degree of control with less torque and an all around safer drivetrain setup. All the weight is over my drivewheels, and it's FF... that helps tremendously.
Next up, I love my car. I just do. The reliability I've had with this car, the compliments I've been given by complete strangers, the way the car looks, the way the car drives, the way the car acts, I love it all.
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I stand by what I said you do come of as sanctimonious. and I'm not the only one who takes a little creative liscence when paraphrasing. Plenty of civics owners do spend well over 5000$ and cant touch 14 let alone 12.
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While they tell me that all imports are slow and a waste of money, I show them a Civic in the 12s for under 5k and they give me "it's still a civic," even though they spent 18 grand on their car with 3k in mods and only pump out mid 13s. That just shows me they're wrong and can't think of anything worthwhile to rebut with.
Yeah Ive never said all civics are slow and no one here with 1/2 a brain would say " that all imports are slow and a waste of money"
If you honestly think that people here dont respect anything thats not a mustang ask about some really hot imports like german ones or Italian ones hell check the threads asking about WRX STI and EVO. and I agree not a lot of credit is given to civics particularly because instead of spending money to build a fast(ish) car they put on a muffler that sounds stupid ,a body kit that doesnt match their paint, a huge wing which provides downforce to wheels that dont power or steer their freaking car, and giant gauges on their a pillar to intimidate ??? I dont know I just dont get it. No one here says Civics cant be fast we just know mustangs are fast.
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Is there a rebuttal? What have you paid for your car? Whats your 1/4mile et? Youve said that you want an all around perfomace car handling, speed, acceleration and braking. KBB tells me your car stock mint is worth 13,000ish so maybe you could get one for 10k, I think youve had yours a while so you probably paid more but 10000$ but a fox with that much money poured in to it could easily be better all around than your SI
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Considering the weather we get here in Indiana, and my not being accustomed to a powerful RWD vehicle, I enjoy having something of a better degree of control with less torque and an all around safer drivetrain setup. All the weight is over my drivewheels, and it's FF... that helps tremendously.
you know what we get weather in california too and yet I have somehow learned to control my car, do I have to be more conservative? yeah, oh well.
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Next up, I love my car. I just do. The reliability I've had with this car, the compliments I've been given by complete strangers, the way the car looks, the way the car drives, the way the car acts, I love it all.
those are all the things I love about my car
see If we Mustang guys have misconceptions about your civic being slow you try to teach us that there not, but you stick to your MISCONCEPTION that mustangs are unreliable.
< Message edited by wayleft -- 12/4/2005 3:57:22 PM >
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'94 GT convertible 5 speed 3.27s Its not my fault the previous owner added these Cobra bumpers and emblems.
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