was wondering if there was anybody that does not like ford just loves Mustangs like me. i understand ford makes the mustang but is the only thing they ever doen right. please commet nicely

I still don't understand how you're saying they done it right if you're gonna put a GM engine in it? It's light....

iam going with the 383 becuase it was already in the mac. shop to go in a truck im building but i found a 86 with no motor for free and since my 87 is slow and cost about 10,000 not counting the price of the car and it is disapointing but the 86 with the Blown &amp; juiced 383 will not be slow or street legal but alot of fun for under 10,000.not a fan of ford becuase of thedollar to HP Ratio.and becuase there cars with the excepction of the fox bodyare ugly SORRYor i could say the EXTIOR STYLING OF THE FOX IS DONE RIGHT</P><edited><editID>619socalstang</editID><editDate>38008.6429166667</editDate></edited>

How can you say the mustang is the only thing ford has done right?Ford has the number one selling truck in america and the world,not to mention there turbo diesel blows away most to all of gms trucks.

ford out sells GM because of price and not for any other reason. that striaght axes front end on ford 3/4 and up is extremely cheap to lift there for it is purchased to lift. as for power GM gassers are better dont like diessels but if went that road wuold be a dodge with a cummins. no ford has any HP numbers over any GM of same GVW. the D/MAX is the best diesel on the market will destroy a p/stroke but will not last as long as a cummins and cost 3 times as much to rebuild.

I totally agree. The mustang is the only reason I can't say ford sucks. When asked: Chevy or Ford? I have to go with Chevy. Then again I drive a Dodge right now, so maybe I shouldn't talk. </P>


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dodges are terrible and ford trucks are the only reason ford is still in buisness. thats a fact there cars are ok. the mustang is an excellent car still it will never #1 in the american muscell group thats also a proven fact mustang or viper? which is faster? yes the viper cost more but the whole thing of it is speed. Have anyone seen the new cobra concept car 600+ hp thats without turbo or super charger now if that comes out ill be mistaken and damned. ill post a link!

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5764

copy and paste, oh and dont wet your pants like me.
its kinda ugly but if i was driving it i would scream to the world come GET SOME!<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">
hope you guys enjoy.

http://www.focusfanatics.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=5764

copy and paste, oh and dont wet your pants like me.
its kinda ugly but if i was driving it i would scream to the world come GET SOME!<IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">
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they followed the buildup on rides on TLC. INSANE!!!!!</P>

I cant belive what im seeing!G.M is about as cheap as you get!Those cars are built with one thing in mind and it shows!I do not like G.M vehicles i've owned a few and will always stick with FORD.And to prove my point about them being cheap look at one of the arguing statements "I DONT LIKE THE HP-DOLLAR RATIO" thats because fords are of a higher quality and therefore cost a little more to build.The MUSTANG although the most favorite car of mine is not the best vehicle built by ford take a look throughout history they've had many great cars.</P>


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I think Fords are ok...I own two of them... my 02 GT and 01 Expedition... I've had minor problems with both, overall... I'm very happy with them!<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

i have always been a ford guy and will always be one. they sell the best trucks on the market and the mustang is the only muscle car that has made it all the way and is still alive!! wonder why?? yes, the goat is back, but it was out of the race all those years while mustangs thrived. plus mustangs have outsold all of the others for years, so much that they are gone!! MUSTANGS F*CKIN RULE!!! not to mention their trucks are F*CKIN ROCK SOLID!! Ford is the best mainstream american car company, no doubt about it!!! plus, only little boys wear bowties!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

well said mkspeed, ford baby ford!

Wow, how ignorant can you get. I'm sure that millions of teenage girls are extremely happy that the stang is still around. It seems that no one understands that the pull of the F-body is a marketing ploy, I wouldn't expect any of you to understand that though. Ford done the same with the t-bird

funny how there is no official word of it returning yet though </P>


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I would have to disagree that Mustangs are the only thing that Ford does right. I have had 4 Taurus' over the last 10+ years and all of them have been great. As a matter of fact our 96 Taurus just flipped 119/k and it still runs like new. We have had zero problems with it other than normal maintenance (brakes, etc...).

I have know people with Ford trucks that have lasted for well over 10 years with little or no problems. So, even though I do love my 'stang, I have to say it's not the only thing good to have come from Ford. (remember, it's First On Race Day)!! <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

ive ONLY ownd fords :) and have had no problems with any!</P>


But i've only owned 2 cars and theyre well over 100k miles (one is i think approaching 150k the other isi think around 120k)</P>


the 150k one i didnt even change the oil in it fori think a year and a half :)</P>


the 120k one i just got tho in september but, well i guess it doesnt count.</P>


and seeing as how im only 18 and have had a license for about 2 years i think this post may not count either.</P>


:) but both my cars are stangs ones a 91 4cyl ones a 92GT </P>


Although the 4cyl is horribly slow, and would never buy one again unless it was just purely for winter(which this one is) then maybe id take a look see(it got beat by an 87 corrolla i think it was)</P>


But as for the v8 :) no corrola is coming close atm Which makes me happy :)</P>


a shame i had to put my GT away so soon tho :( got it last sept only got to drive it for a couple months til they started salting the roads n junk. CANT WAIT TIL Spring tho!</P>


anyhoo i vote GO GO Ford!</P>

OK... this next rant is coming from someone who has owned more than just one of all 3 Domestic brands, and is biased only because of my ownpersonal experiences, and also my friends and family's experiences:</P>


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Ya know, when you think about it, Ford almost ALWAYS leads the way! Let's see.... the Viper was derived from the Shelby Cobra.... Ford comes out with the 3rd gen. 5.0 and Chevy has to pull the 305 and replace it with the 350 to keep up....Ford gets into the sport compact scene with the Focus, now Dodge brings out the SRT-4.... Ford makes the Lightning and patents the "Supercooler",now Dodge puts the Viper motor in their trucks to compete(no technological marvel there!) and GM makes a very lame attemptwith the SS....GM kills the Firebird and Camaro because there is lack of sales due to NO "bang for the buck"andcalls it a "marketing ploy" to cover their embarrassment, and is going tobring the GTO back (and call it a "muscle car" even though it looks like a friggin Malibu or something)with the vette motor in it (nothing special there either).... the 03 Cobra comes out and it's not even really in the same class as the Vette, but GM is definitely nervous about it, andhas to squeeze more horses out ofthe Vette tostay faster than the stock 03, cause right now, the Cobraruns right beside it for alot less money (which the 03 only takes a few mods and stomps the Vette a new A-hole for considerably less change even after mods.... and last but not least, the Ford GT isAmericas first "exotic" for the Big-3 (only after the Saleen S7 which is also a what?...Ford?) and now GM once again sais "uh oh, now we have to build somethingfaster than that too", and now the "Supervette" is going to be built!</P>


Does any of you GM and Dodge guys out there see the pattern???? Maybe your "loyalty" has you blinded toit! The factthat every timeFord develops anewvehicle that smokes the competition, ornew technology, or delve into new territory like sport compact,GM and Dodge get scared and becomelike little kidslagging behind, tugging on Ford's shirt-tales saying "oh yeah, well, well, you just wait and see....we're gonna build one faster than yours.... we just wanted you to make it first so wecould learn how to do it,then improve on it!" Think about it!!! ANY company can do that, it's EASY! It's been this way for what seems like forever too!</P>


Now, you go keep believing that GMor Dodge is better, and you'll never relize the truth. Instead, try have an open mind about Ford and take a closer, deeper look into things, and maybe, just maybe you'll see the truth too!</P>


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:) neat, new respect for ford now if all thats true

ford out sells GM because of price and not for any other reason. that striaght axes front end on ford 3/4 and up is extremely cheap to lift there for it is purchased to lift. as for power GM gassers are better dont like diessels but if went that road wuold be a dodge with a cummins. no ford has any HP numbers over any GM of same GVW. the D/MAX is the best diesel on the market will destroy a p/stroke but will not last as long as a cummins and cost 3 times as much to rebuild. </P>


You couldnt be more wrong about the powerstroke and the duramax. The powerstroke absolutely kills the duramax in every aspect of performance and is cheaper. I dont know what GVW stands for (maybe something to do with weight, idk) but I do know that the powerstroke has 20 hp and 40 lb-ft torque more than the duramax.<IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">And even if you wanted to bump the duramax up to 560 lb-ft torque (thats how much the powerstroke has), you wouldnt be able to until the gay Allison is upgraded from its **X**** 545 lb-ft torque. Bet you didnt think of that did ya? Cry me a river...b*tch...<IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0"></P>

By the way, idk why it blanked out**X****...and most of my info came from truck trend in case you didnt believe me and my dad drives a 2000 powerstroke and has 120k miles on it and its stilll runnin strong (yes, i know diesels are supposed to last like 300k+ miles)

but i do wonder how mk can be a ford guy and have never owned one...</P>


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i dont, i have loved ford since i got into cars. the first car that i will own will bea stang. why cant i be a ford guy even though i dont even have my liscense yet?? F*CK YOU!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley7.gif border="0"></P>

but i do wonder how mk can be a ford guy and have never owned one...</P>


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i dont, i have loved ford since i got into cars. the first car that i will own will bea stang. why cant i be a ford guy even though i dont even have my liscense yet?? F*CK YOU!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley7.gif border="0"></P>


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At least you are heading in the right direction! It's nice to see someone young not being drawn into the "Fast &amp; Delirious (ooops, i meant Furious) Syndrom". Congrats to ya bud, and drive safe!</P>

OK... this next rant is coming from someone who has owned more than just one of all 3 Domestic brands, and is biased only because of my own*personal experiences, and also my friends and family's experiences:</p>


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Ya know, when you think about it, Ford almost ALWAYS leads the way! Let's see.... the Viper was derived from the Shelby Cobra.... Ford comes out with the 3rd gen. 5.0 and Chevy has to pull the 305 and replace it with the 350 to keep up....Ford gets into the sport compact scene with the Focus, now Dodge brings out the SRT-4.... Ford makes the Lightning and patents the "Supercooler",*now Dodge puts the Viper motor in their trucks to compete*(no technological marvel there!) and GM makes a very lame attempt*with the SS....*GM kills the Firebird and Camaro because there is lack of sales due to NO "bang for the buck"and*calls it a "marketing ploy" to cover their embarrassment, and is going to*bring the GTO back (and call it a "muscle car" even though it looks like a friggin Malibu or something)*with the vette motor in it (nothing special there either).... the 03 Cobra comes out and it's not even really in the same class as the Vette, but GM is definitely nervous about it, and*has to squeeze more horses out of*the Vette to*stay faster than the stock 03, cause right now, the Cobra*runs right beside it for alot less money (which the 03 only takes a few mods and stomps the Vette a new A-hole for considerably less change even after mods.... and last but not least, the Ford GT is*Americas first "exotic" for the Big-3 (only after the Saleen S7 which is also a what?...Ford?) and now GM once again sais "uh oh, now we have to build something*faster than that too", and now the "Supervette" is going to be built!*</p>


Does any of you GM and Dodge guys out there see the pattern???? Maybe your "loyalty" has you blinded to*it! The fact*that every time*Ford develops a*new*vehicle that smokes the competition, or*new technology, or delve into new territory like sport compact,*GM and Dodge get scared and become*like little kids*lagging behind, tugging on Ford's shirt-tales saying "oh yeah, well, well, you just wait and see....we're gonna build one faster than yours.... we just wanted you to make it first so we*could learn how to do it,*then improve on it!" Think about it!!! ANY company can do that, it's EASY! It's been this way for what seems like forever too!</p>


Now, you go keep believing that GM*or Dodge is better, and you'll never relize the truth. Instead, try have an open mind about Ford and take a closer, deeper look into things, and maybe, just maybe you'll see the truth too!</p>


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No, you're not biased at all. For one, the 305 ran with the 5.0 stock for stock. The 350 came in GM in 1987. In '88 the Firebird actually had a 3.8 turbo that can still outrun the new 4.6's much less the 5.0's. The 4.6 has still yet to catch the LT1, much less the LS1. It's not GM's fault more girls like the Mustang, which is its primary driver. The Cobra was aimed at the Z06 and falls short of the C5. The Ford GT was slower than lots of Mopars back in the day. The Ford GT is still gonna be slower than the new Z06. I'm sure that GM wanted to squeeze more horses out soley to demolish the Cobra....considering the Vette has steadily increased in performance since it's debut some 50 years ago.

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I cant belive what im seeing!G.M is about as cheap as you get!Those cars are built with one thing in mind and it shows!</P>


Years ago I was junkyard shopping for a Ford p/u brake drum. They were expensive and hard to get. The yard's explanation was that all the Fords come in with 100-200k miles, so the drums are shot, while the GM trucks get junked at 50-70k miles, so there are more useful parts.</P>


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No, you're not biased at all. For one, the 305 ran with the 5.0 stock for stock. The 350 came in GM in 1987. In '88 the Firebird actually had a 3.8 turbo that can still outrun the new 4.6's much less the 5.0's. The 4.6 has still yet to catch the LT1, much less the LS1. It's not GM's fault more girls like the Mustang, which is its primary driver. The Cobra was aimed at the Z06 and falls short of the C5. The Ford GT was slower than lots of Mopars back in the day. The Ford GT is still gonna be slower than the new Z06. I'm sure that GM wanted to squeeze more horses out soley to demolish the Cobra....considering the Vette has steadily increased in performance since it's debut some 50 years ago.

Please have facts if you're going to argue....[/QUOTE]

Oh, trust me all my facts are just that...FACTS! You can make up all the excuses you want, but they are all just that...excuses in defense of your beloved GM's!
Let's go down the list, shall we??? One, the 305 ran close, but was not faster or better than the 5.0, period. Two, the 350 came in the special edition stuff in 1987, like the IROC. It did NOT come in the base models such as the RS, etc.. Three, you mean to tell me that a 3.8 V-6 TURBO can outrun a naturally aspirated 5.0 or 4.6??? OMG whoda thunk it! No s**t sherlock! Put a Turbo on a 3.8 Mustang and watch your mighty camaro get toasted...ooops! i forgot there is no more camaro or firebird, my bad! And let's see... 350 CID vs 281 CID? I would hope so! God knows the 305 couldn't handle the job! Now what about that aftermarket? Enough said. Four, so your sexist now ay? I know quite a few girls that drive that girly Mustang car, and would hand your ass to you on a platter, no matter what you drive. Five, the Cobra was never aimed at the Z06, if it would've been, Ford would've built it that it would cost about the same. Even if it was, it still puts out more HP, but weighs approx. 550 lbs. more! If you know anything about drag racing, that = about .55 seconds reduction due to weight alone, that's the ONLY reason the Z06 is faster in the 1/4, cause it's a fiberglass couffin. Here's a link as proof: http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28 Six, Ford also had more powerful cars than the Ford GT "back in the day"... your point? That was then, this is now, welcome to 2004! Again, the new Z06 will be faster because now they have a benchmark to go off of... the FORD GT! Seven, you're "sure" (you must be the manager of GM's performance devision!) that's the reason they are squeezing more out of the Z06? No my friend, it's because it looks REALLY bad to have a car that costs so much be humiliated by a car (Cobra) that costs so much less, and only needs about $1000 - $2000 on top of the base price (only due to weight) to do it. Which even then is STILL alot less than the base $ of the Vette, they gotta up the ante somehow! Eight, the Vette has not steadily increased the performance of the Vette since the beginning. They have been up and down all through it's history.Do some homework... become informed!

Trust me, i have the facts, and i am very ready to argue this any day!

i love that the ford gt came out. WHAT NOW ANTIFORD BYOCHES!!!! WE CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING YOU THROW AT US!!!! (besides the enzo, which costs mulit million)

i love that the ford gt came out. WHAT NOW ANTIFORD BYOCHES!!!! WE CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING YOU THROW AT US!!!! (besides the enzo, which costs mulit million)

Yeah, the Enzo is faster right now, but think about this.....the Ford GT has the lightning motor in it....see what i'm getting at? Yep, i'm sure all the aftermarket goodies that can be done to the Lightning will be able to be done to the GT!! 600 HP "Supervette" or Enzo? NOOO SWEAT!!

I'll say it again... GOD i love Ford!

I'll say it again... GOD i love Ford!</P>


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yea, and look at the price. you can buy 7 ford gts for the price of one enzo. plus, it doesnt cost a grand to change the oil!!! it is exactly what ford needed. it will be the hottest american car in years!!! </P>

uh...3.8 turbo stang will not outrun any 93+ Camaro. You then say that 4.6 and 5.0 are all and mighty to the GM, then you say that since the GM's engine is bigger thats why the Stang looses? How do you know some girls that can outrun me no matter what I drive. What if I have a top fuel dragster in the garage, oh wait, since my dragster isn't Ford it will loose. Bottom line:

4 bangers supercharge things to keep up with v8's.....Ford supercharge things to keep up with GM.

i love that the ford gt came out. WHAT NOW ANTIFORD BYOCHES!!!! WE CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING YOU THROW AT US!!!! (besides the enzo, which costs mulit million)

Yeah, the Enzo is faster right now, but think about this.....the Ford GT has the lightning motor in it....see what i'm getting at? Yep, i'm sure all the aftermarket goodies that can be done to the Lightning will be able to be done to the GT!! 600 HP "Supervette" or Enzo? NOOO SWEAT!!

I'll say it again... GOD i love Ford!



The GT is gonna already come with the highest performance stuff, including a S/C'er....
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more boost anyone?? but i know what you mean, it is like trying to get more power into a ferrari. it is so expensive that anyone who can get one is most likely some rich bastard that wont do anything to it and it will probably sit in the garage most of its life <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0">. wish i had 150k so i could give it proper treating!!!</P>

uh...3.8 turbo stang will not outrun any 93+ Camaro. You then say that 4.6 and 5.0 are all and mighty to the GM, then you say that since the GM's engine is bigger thats why the Stang looses? How do you know some girls that can outrun me no matter what I drive. What if I have a top fuel dragster in the garage, oh wait, since my dragster isn't Ford it will loose. Bottom line:

4 bangers supercharge things to keep up with v8's.....Ford supercharge things to keep up with GM.

Riiiigggghhhhhttttt! No, the reason Ford supercharges things like the Cobra, is because of how easy it is to mod a supercharged engine. You see, Ford built the Cobra so people could go out and actually afford to mod them, and race them, and not just be bought to be a "garage queen" as the majority of Vettes are, and think about it, the majority of Vette owners are older people!
So you bring up the classic argument of.... "well Ford had to supercharge it to compete!" Again, ease of modding, better drivability than heads, cam, intake setup, and price....you can go get a supercharger for your beloved Vette, but what would that total price be compared to the Cobra with one already installed??? Ford believes in more "bang for the buck" and they know that real motor heads like to build their own rides up no matter what they start with, so why put something out there that is just about maxed out, or costs an arm & a leg to mod? Most people don't want that, they want to build their own, thus the biggest aftermarket, and popularity of the Mustang over the Camaro / Firebird....they had a bigger motor, thus faster stock, and overpriced, and where are they now? GM has to say they are faster no matter what the cost! Not smart, it should be about balance in all aspects, when will GM learn that? For example, the new GTO. It's justa Camaro SS with a new shell!! It is heavier, doesn't put out the performance #'s, not as unique looking (looks like a Grand Prix), and more expensive than the Camaro and Firebird were...What are they thinking?!?! I mean the main reasons that the C/F were killed for, they are putting right back into the GTO, only more-so! Again, the majority of people out there are going to go for a balance of all aspects, not just "hey, i spent alot more money, but i can go a little faster"!

i love that the ford gt came out. WHAT NOW ANTIFORD BYOCHES!!!! WE CAN HANDLE EVERYTHING YOU THROW AT US!!!! (besides the enzo, which costs mulit million)

Yeah, the Enzo is faster right now, but think about this.....the Ford GT has the lightning motor in it....see what i'm getting at? Yep, i'm sure all the aftermarket goodies that can be done to the Lightning will be able to be done to the GT!! 600 HP "Supervette" or Enzo? NOOO SWEAT!!

I'll say it again... GOD i love Ford!



The GT is gonna already come with the highest performance stuff, including a S/C'er....


Uuuhhh, so what your saying is that the GT won't be able to be modded?? Guess you don't know that they are finding out that the 03 Cobra's 4.6 stock bottom end is handling 900 HP RELIABLY! So what would make you think that the 5.4 couldn't be taken higher?? And yes, whether you know it or not, there is PLENTY of aftermarket goodies out for the GT motor already! No, sorry, the GT won't be coming with "the highest performance stuff", I know alot of you GM fans want to believe that, cause i guess that's hard to swallow (i've heard this before from you guys), but you'll see! And don't think that it is just going to be a "garage queen", they are already predicting it to be on the road course cicuits, just like the Saleen S7 that costs about the same! Uh oh Vette and Viper!!!!

"Bang for the Buck" S/C'ed '02 Camaro SS OWNS both the '03 Cobra and the new GT....

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"Bang for the Buck" S/C'ed '02 Camaro SS OWNS both the '03 Cobra and the new GT....

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Yes, you're right, you got us on that one....they were soooo "bang for the buck", that's why they didn't sell worth a s**t, to the extent of the Stang outselling them year after year, even when combining the Camaro and Firebird sales together,and are dead now! My apologies all great and all knowing one.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley23.gif border="0">

The F-Body was not designed to appeal to 16-year-old squealing teenage girls who want a cute little car. The F-Body was not designed to haul home your brand new lawnmower from Home Depot. The F-Body was not designed to be as comfortable as a Camry, no; it was not designed like a Mustang. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Mustang. The Mustang owns a heritage that is like no other. It has a backing of its on enthusiasts, and it represents a common bond in more ways than just “RWD V8”. Setting that aside, the Mustang was not designed with performance 100% in mind. Does it perform? Yes, very well at that, but the main goal of the Mustang the past decade has been, “how many can we sell?” IMO, design has been compromised over function. Ford has done something right for business though, they’ve figured out how to appeal to the masses. They accomplished their goal. The way I see it, they accomplished their goal almost as well as GM accomplished theirs. GM’s goal was to build an enthusiasts car, a man’s man performance machine, and they have done so. GM has moved leaps and bounds past the Mustang project the past decade, leaving not only Ford, but everyone else in the dust.


CONGRATULATIONS Ford for appealing to the ladies!!!!

The F-Body was not designed to appeal to 16-year-old squealing teenage girls who want a cute little car. The F-Body was not designed to haul home your brand new lawnmower from Home Depot. The F-Body was not designed to be as comfortable as a Camry, no; it was not designed like a Mustang. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Mustang. The Mustang owns a heritage that is like no other. It has a backing of its on enthusiasts, and it represents a common bond in more ways than just “RWD V8”. Setting that aside, the Mustang was not designed with performance 100% in mind. Does it perform? Yes, very well at that, but the main goal of the Mustang the past decade has been, “how many can we sell?” IMO, design has been compromised over function. Ford has done something right for business though, they’ve figured out how to appeal to the masses. They accomplished their goal. The way I see it, they accomplished their goal almost as well as GM accomplished theirs. GM’s goal was to build an enthusiasts car, a man’s man performance machine, and they have done so. GM has moved leaps and bounds past the Mustang project the past decade, leaving not only Ford, but everyone else in the dust.


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You're right, Ford did do it right. It's about balance! Ford doesn't make cars just to say they are faster... they are smarter than that. They make cars with that thing called BALANCE!! ever hear of it? The regular Mustang is well balanced between power, ride comfort, price, etc.. etc.. Then if you want a "man's man" car, you opt for the Cobra, or hell even the lightning! This whole beingwell BALANCEDidea is something that GM obviously never caught on to! Thus the death of the Firebird and Camaro!</P>


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Uummmm, isn't all "good" business about "how many can we sell" and "appealing to the masses"?? Maybe not where you come from......oh, that's right, you're from the GM camp!<IMG src=smileys/smiley9.gif border="0"> <IMG src=smileys/smiley32.gif border="0"></P>


Soooo, i guess GM's "goal" was never to successfully continue making the Camaro or Firebird right?If that's the case then i guess itobviously was just..."let's make them faster than the Mustang, but less reliable and have a higher cost of maintenance(don't even try to argue this point, there is s**t-loads of surveys and studies done on a yearly basis to prove this one), not affordable on a daily basis to most people (gas, insurance, etc...), and way overpriced for what you get, but at least it will be a "MAN"S MAN car!!! WOW, that is some smart business if you ask me...whewee! How does Ford ever compete with that!?!?<IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>


Yes, you just profound us with your knowledge once again..."GM has moved leaps and bounds past the Mustang project...leaving Ford and everyone else in the dust". They just had to stop making the C/F because they were just DOMINATING THE WORLD, and it wasn't fair to everyone else to have such a worldwide monopoly like that!!! My bad, I apologize!<IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0"></P>


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Oh, and on the..."congratulations for appealing to the ladies", now, now, you don't have to jealous just because the ladies are driving cooler, more popular, bettter cars than yours!! <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0">That doesn't mean you have to be a sexist hater!!</P>


MORAL OF THE STORY&gt;............................PUT THE CRACK PIPE DOWN, IT's FRYING YOUR FRIGGIN BRAIN!!!!!!!!!I can give you numbers to some real good rehab clinics if you want....i've been helping other GM owners this way!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley31.gif border="0"></P>

Most ladies do like it slow and easy...

BTW, if the C/F would have never died for a short period, much like the T-Bird that everyone forgets about, what would be your argument?

Most ladies do like it slow and easy...

BTW, if the C/F would have never died for a short period, much like the T-Bird that everyone forgets about, what would be your argument? </P>


The t-bird was never meant to be a mainstay performance car or replace the Mustang. It was just to show Ford's heritage, oh great wise one. And let's not play pretend or live in a fantasy world...the C/F are dead...deal with it! And even if they didn't, they would still be getting smoked by the Cobra, and i would still say.... THEY ARE JUNK!!!! Speaking from experience of friends and family!</P>


True, buti'm aweful surprised that you know anything about how the LADIES like it...my money would've been on you knowing lots about the other sex!</P>

maybe we should both post pics and let the ladies decide??? <img src=uploads/95LT1/ZBD6E_knockcum.gif border="0">

maybe we should both post pics and let the ladies decide??? <img src=uploads/95LT1/ZBD6E_knockcum.gif border="0">

Well, sorry but my pride and self respect doesn't come from if everyone else likes it, i've grown out of that little kid stage,i know what i've got, it's my pride and joy, and that's all that matters!

By the way, this is getting real boring having a battle of wits with an unarmed person! Later!

I didn't expect you to want to

I didn't expect you to want to

Couldn't resist, knew that was going to be your reply almost word-for-word...very predictable!

would you like a cookie?

would you like a cookie?

Excellent expression of your profound mentallity once again, you do the GM world justice!

I'm usually modest, so thanks!!!!!!11one

maybe we should both post pics and let the ladies decide??? <IMG src=uploads/95LT1/ZBD6E_knockcum.gif border="0"> this Emoticon is badass

95lt1.......You said gm left ford and everyone else in the dust.Funny seeing how the camaro and firebird programs are collecting dust.

95lt1....Your comment about a s/c 02 ss camaro would own the gt and the cobra is probably true.But if we are talking after market performance parts now then just give it up we can go back and forth all day with that.Oh and what does the 02 ss camaro run about a 13.4 in the quarter?With 320hp and 350 tq is that about right?Well the mustang mach 1 runs 13.1-13.2 and has been know to hit 12.99's so lets s/c that and blow your ss away.Thats wierd that the mach 1 only has 305 hp and 320 tq and it still out runs your 02 ss seems like ford motors pull more with less.Iknow the mach1's dyno for more hp and tq but im sure the ss does as well.

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95lt1....Your comment about a s/c 02 ss camaro would own the gt and the cobra is probably true.But if we are talking after market performance parts now then just give it up we can go back and forth all day with that.Oh and what does the 02 ss camaro run about a 13.4 in the quarter?With 320hp and 350 tq is that about right?Well the mustang mach 1 runs 13.1-13.2 and has been know to hit 12.99's so lets s/c that and blow your ss away.Thats wierd that the mach 1 only has 305 hp and 320 tq and it still out runs your 02 ss seems like ford motors pull more with less.Iknow the mach1's dyno for more hp and tq but im sure the ss does as well.


uh....the ss is rated faster than the Mach by mostly all magazines. The ss has been known to dip into the 12.8's factory, as have the WS6's. I know this will come has a shock to you, but being that I usually WATCH this s**t with my own eyes, I have never seen a Mach or Cobra beat a LS1 yet at the track. I know I know, the Ford drivers suck... I like Mustangs, well some of them, but as far as power goes, GM owns.

95lt1......I have never seen a 02 ss camaro do 12.8 with stock tires.Please dont try and talk like you know so much cause you have been to the track,cause so have i in richmond and in north carolina.Now as for gm being the hp king please they must suck at getting it to the rear whells or there engines just dont seem to pull very well.Your 02ss camaro has 325 hp and 350tq and the mach 1 only has 305hp and 320tq yet its still faster.Even if your telling the truth about a stock 02ss with stock tires runs a 12.8 and i know for a fact that the mach1 is capable of a 12.99 on stock tires.Thats a 20hp and 30tq difference and all you can gain in the 1/4 is a 0.1,thats pretty bad.</P>


I for the record i actually own a mach1 so when i say its capable of something than im not repeating what ive heard from others.Im not sure if you have or ever have owned a 02 ss camaro but i kinda doubt it.I also think you are full of it when you say 02 ss have run 12.8's,you didnt say wether or not the tires were stock or not.Even if it was not a drag tire on the car if they switch to any other grippier tire than what the car came with than its a mod.</P>


By the way if gm's cars where such power kings than why couldnt they stay around?I mean surely if they are as big and as bad as you seem to think then why didnt they sell enough to stay around.Please dont come back and say it was a sales move to pull it and then bring it back.Its been about 3 years now and there hasnt even been a concept or an official word that the camaro will be back.</P>


Oh and gm is with out a doubt not the power king when it comes to trucks!They are second and maby even third to ford.





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wow...Search before running your mouth and you'll see numerous LS1's breaking into the 12's on street tires from the factory. I don't know why it's so hard for everyone here to believe, Chevy small blocks make more power. Whooptee doo. What's the best you've got out of your Mach yet? I've seen it rated at 13.8. The Mach is an awesome looking Mustang though, with the breather and all. At least it is N/A unlike it's Cobra counterpart. Concept..............<img src=uploads/95LT1/AZFBB_camaro2.JPG border="0">

i love GM, own a ford, wish i had a camaro, u people still don't get it do ya, those that say the Mach is faster then the 02 SS, so its faster by what some say uh 0.2 seconds? then some one said their is a diff of 20 hp, 02 SS with the 20hp more, but also look at the weight difference. thats where the mustang makes up the diff in hp is in its light weight DUH.so u stick the 02 SS motor in a stang or a stang in the 02 SS and make the weight even and then we see who ones who.

im a mustang and chevelle man only....

wow...Search before running your mouth and you'll see numerous LS1's breaking into the 12's on street tires from the factory. I don't know why it's so hard for everyone here to believe, Chevy small blocks make more power. Whooptee doo. What's the best you've got out of your Mach yet? I've seen it rated at 13.8. The Mach is an awesome looking Mustang though, with the breather and all. At least it is N/A unlike it's Cobra counterpart. Concept..............<img src=uploads/95LT1/AZFBB_camaro2.JPG border="0">

Honestly, that has to be the ugliest, wierdest "retro" car i have ever seen in my life!!!!

It actually looks like a CARTOON...something out of Roger Rabbit!<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley29.gif border="0">

I personally l8ike the green one better, but I didn't wanna waste the time and find it. It looks vedy vedy vedy sweet. Holy drunken post buttman!!!!

I love it, it looks AMAZING. Atleast I'm not the only one who is crazy and has seen LS1's rip 12's off the showroom floor with stock EVERYTHING.

LS1's.....12's.....how dare you say that on this site. You, my friend, shall be flamed.

95lt1......I have never seen a 02 ss camaro do 12.8 with stock tires.Please dont try and talk like you know so much cause you have been to the track,cause so have i in richmond and in north carolina.Now as for gm being the hp king please they must suck at getting it to the rear whells or there engines just dont seem to pull very well.Your 02ss camaro has 325 hp and 350tq and the mach 1 only has 305hp and 320tq yet its still faster.Even if your telling the truth about a stock 02ss with stock tires runs a 12.8 and i know for a fact that the mach1 is capable of a 12.99 on stock tires.Thats a 20hp and 30tq difference and all you can gain in the 1/4 is a 0.1,thats pretty bad.</P>


I for the record i actually own a mach1 so when i say its capable of something than im not repeating what ive heard from others.Im not sure if you have or ever have owned a 02 ss camaro but i kinda doubt it.I also think you are full of it when you say 02 ss have run 12.8's,you didnt say wether or not the tires were stock or not.Even if it was not a drag tire on the car if they switch to any other grippier tire than what the car came with than its a mod.</P>


By the way if gm's cars where such power kings than why couldnt they stay around?I mean surely if they are as big and as bad as you seem to think then why didnt they sell enough to stay around.Please dont come back and say it was a sales move to pull it and then bring it back.Its been about 3 years now and there hasnt even been a concept or an official word that the camaro will be back.
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STOCK &amp; I mean, BONE STOCK LS1's are FAMOUS for reaching 12.8's. Even Z28's and Trans Am's reach 12's stock! God, all of you Ford lackies take major issues with a larger cube engine whipping itself down the 1/4 mile faster. What's the big freaking deal? </P>


The fastest Mach 1 has hit 12.8, now - more than 1 driver has reached that goal. Mach 1's arejust as fast as LS1's, they have alittle less HP (10-15hp giving variances from the factory)- but they are 150-200 lbs lighter. LS1's, fully loaded..hold your breath, scale in at 3,450 lbs with a full tank of petro. The Ford automatic still lags far behind the superior LS1 automatic transmission. One of the best electric trannies that exist... <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"></P>

LS1's.....12's.....how dare you say that on this site. You, my friend, shall be flamed. <IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>


We mentioned LS1's running 12's! We are wrong, no doubting it...don't you hate the non-believer BS? I swear I go through an arguement about LS1's every month here. I think there should be a freakin' STICKY made about LS1's running 12's...</P>

Hell, I go through this argument all the damn time. You would think that some would believe it after a Ford man himself says it....go figure.

I think it's funny how back in 1998, the LS1 myth of running 12's had already been proven true. It is now 2004 and the LS1 motor is soon to not appear in GM cars anymore, yet people still don't know the facts and still don't know the capabilities of one. </P>


It humors me that just because they haven't seen an LS1 break 13.5, stock - at the track they frequent, means it never happens. </P>


The track I go to is right at sea level, the air is perfect at night and the true performance of cars shines at this track, the prep is awesome and I've seen 100% bone stock Z06's rop 12.2's, bone stock 03 Cobra's rip 12.6's (03's with radials run 12.4's) and COUNTLESS LS1's running 12.8. Of course not everyone can do this, as I've seen 03 Cobra's in the 13's and LS1's barely making it to low 14's. It's all about the driver people!!!</P>

95lt1......I have never seen a 02 ss camaro do 12.8 with stock tires.Please dont try and talk like you know so much cause you have been to the track,cause so have i in richmond and in north carolina.Now as for gm being the hp king please they must suck at getting it to the rear whells or there engines just dont seem to pull very well.Your 02ss camaro has 325 hp and 350tq and the mach 1 only has 305hp and 320tq yet its still faster.Even if your telling the truth about a stock 02ss with stock tires runs a 12.8 and i know for a fact that the mach1 is capable of a 12.99 on stock tires.Thats a 20hp and 30tq difference and all you can gain in the 1/4 is a 0.1,thats pretty bad.</p>


I for the record i actually own a mach1 so when i say its capable of something than im not repeating what ive heard from others.Im not sure if you have or ever have owned a 02 ss camaro but i kinda doubt it.I also think you are full of it when you say 02 ss have run 12.8's,you didnt say wether or not the tires were stock or not.Even if it was not a drag tire on the car if they switch to any other grippier tire than what the car came with than its a mod.</p>


By the way if gm's cars where such power kings than why couldnt they stay around?I mean surely if they are as big and as bad as you seem to think then why didnt they sell enough to stay around.Please dont come back and say it was a sales move to pull it and then bring it back.Its been about 3 years now and there hasnt even been a concept or an official word that the camaro will be back.
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STOCK & I mean, BONE STOCK LS1's are FAMOUS for reaching 12.8's. Even Z28's and Trans Am's reach 12's stock! God, all of you Ford lackies take major issues with a larger cube engine whipping itself down the 1/4 mile faster. What's the big freaking deal? </p>


The fastest Mach 1 has hit 12.8, now - more than 1 driver has reached that goal. Mach 1's are just as fast as LS1's, they have alittle less HP (10-15hp giving variances from the factory)- but they are 150-200 lbs lighter. LS1's, fully loaded..hold your breath, scale in at 3,450 lbs with a full tank of petro. The Ford automatic still lags far behind the superior LS1 automatic transmission. One of the best electric trannies that exist... <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"></p>

Thank you Dan...finally a mature, thought out (well somewhat)reply, from a GM guy, instead of the usual "well i reckon my LS1 will woop darn near everyth'n else on dem der highways, cuz dem's da coolest, fastest, thing on 4 tires in da wurld, ummmhmmmm". You are to be commended!

like he needs your approval!

*sigh*....here we go again boys and girls!!!!!!!!

dan02gt...The mach 1 is 3466 ibs and the auto version is 3475 ibs.</P>

was wondering if there was anybody that does not like ford just loves Mustangs like me. i understand ford makes the mustang but is the only thing they ever doen right. please commet nicely </P>


i`m a ford dealer and let me tell you in the dealer world ford has a good product let`s start with the trucks they are #1 for 22 years now not only in sales but quality and resale value lets not forget the # 1 selling suv in the world the explorer also the best selling car in europe the focus and should i remind you that usa has 250 million people and europe has 750 million people also there is the new ford gt that is coming out in a limited production of 3600 units for the next 3 years also they are coming out with the new mustang and the ford 500 which is build on the volvo frame don`t give up on ford and chevy lovers other than pretty vehicles you do not have anything else lets not forget about dodge which is now owned by mercedes and gm just sold 75% to japan so as americans who is really the only true american company now</P>

was wondering if there was anybody that does not like ford just loves Mustangs like me. i understand ford makes the mustang but is the only thing they ever doen right. please commet nicely </P>


i`m a ford dealer and let me tell you in the dealer world ford has a good product let`s start with the trucks they are #1 for 22 years now not only in sales but quality and resale value lets not forget the # 1 selling suv in the world the explorer also the best selling car in europe the focus and should i remind you that usa has 250 million people and europe has 750 million people also there is the new ford gt that is coming out in a limited production of 3600 units for the next 3 years also they are coming out with the new mustang and the ford 500 which is build on the volvo frame don`t give up on ford and chevy lovers other than pretty vehicles you do not have anything else lets not forget about dodge which is now owned by mercedes and gm just sold 75% to japan so as americans who is really the only true american company now</P>


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Wow! wasn't aware of GM selling to the Japs. It just makes me sick when i think about all of the people that died at Pearl Harbor, and now that whole deal seems like it was all in vain. I'm not saying we should hate the Japs, but now we're allowing the same people to take control of our economy basically! I'm not saying i know how to do things better, but it's just sad in my eyes. God i hope Ford can stay true to the Americans, and not sell out to a foriegn power, only time will tell i guess. I know Ford has partnership with Mazda, but at least owns the other companies. At least for now i can say i'm proud to be American...and all three of my rides areFords... American cars!</P><edited><editID>shacar87</editID><editDate>38023.7930555556</editDate></edited>

I can't find anything saying that GM has sold out to Japan? Can you post a link? I found where GM is selling tons of cars in Japan and is dominating the economy cars over there. Wonder what they call American cars over there? Just like you can't get upset at a foreign person for driving a "pimped" out acura, it's domestic to them. I think you're getting confused about them "selling" out. GM, like Ford, owns tons of other companies and they still produce under the subsiderary name. <edited><editID>95LT1</editID><editDate>38023.8040509259</editDate></edited>

a 93 tuarus sho will smoke a mustang, too bad they never put a yamaha in a mustang

you may look under www.hoover.com (http://www.hoover.com) it is an industrial sight about business maybe some of you misundersude me 70% of the mfg parts comes from japan and korea they do not actually own gm but gm is in bed with them so they can afford to sell their vehicles for less money you have to rember gm is still the biggest in the world but if you follow consumer magazines and nhtsa crash test reports ford has more dependable vehicle out of the big 3 anyways do not give up on ford after all other than the mustang and corvette where is all the rest off them whent camaro who trans -am who should i say anymore but do not forget what ever you drive out there have fun with it no one makes really a bad vehicle all it is about taste my taste is the mustang and it will always be the mustang

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hi let me ask you a question when you were a little baby did your mother drop you on your head who told you this story and what link can i get on to see that i hope you do not compare to mustang v6 because that is not really what the mustang is all about </P>

i beat a cobra with my brothers 93 sho and all he put in it was a flywheel and clutch

riiiiiight...<IMG src=smileys/smiley20.gif border="0">...sure the cobra was racing? or was it a "cobra".

you apparently have never drivin a 93 sho, how much horsepower does a 2000 cobra have?

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you may look under www.hoover.com (http://www.hoover.com) it is an industrial sight about business maybe some of you misundersude me 70% of the mfg parts comes from japan and korea they do not actually own gm but gm is in bed with them so they can afford to sell their vehicles for less money you have to rember gm is still the biggest in the world but if you follow consumer magazines and nhtsa crash test reports ford has more dependable vehicle out of the big 3 anyways do not give up on ford after all other than the mustang and corvette where is all the rest off them whent camaro who trans -am who should i say anymore but do not forget what ever you drive out there have fun with it no one makes really a bad vehicle all it is about taste my taste is the mustang and it will always be the mustang

I clicked on your link, it just went to the sweeper site?

i wasnt sure of the year, just throwing it out to get estimated power, it was an svt cobra

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i wasnt sure of the year, just throwing it out to get estimated power, it was an svt cobra </P>


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