agreed power to weight ratio is big, but they are also other factors; acceleration would be determined by a combo of torque and hp, not just hp also gearing and aerodynamics- etc.
but more or less I agree with you
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The only downside to being on a liter bike in a race with a super HP car, is that the bike will be limited to around 180 mph because of the drag. If you had a literbike with a turbo and the right gearing you are in the 200mph club easy. BUT, a $10K bike with a $5k turbo kit is hard to find among the younger riding group that financed their new GSXr1K for 60 months. If you are in a 650HP turbo fox capable of 190mph, you will eventually walk past the bike. Now, on the otherside, you would need one badass car with more traction than you hav ever had to beat a literbike 0-150mph. I know there are cars that will run nines in the quater mile, and those are about as scarse as a turbo literbike. I dont know anyone with a streetlegal 9 sec car in my area... or a turbo sportbike for that matter.
Is it me, or doesn't the lack of weight not only contribute to a higher power to weight ratio, but also a lower traction coefficient? Most "fast" bikes I've seen are slow off the line (well, slower than a car...), that is except for drag bikes with a wheelie bar.....
No, not too many traction issues. But, wheelies are the ugly sister to lost traction and thats the number one killer of launches. Thats why you want to lower the bike and stretch it. I'd rather have the tire break loose at the launch than ride a wheelie through the 60'. And realize that you can find bikes at any givin local hangout that are capable of low 10's/high 9's. But, find me that 8.5 sec stang out on the street. And, also realize that a new busa can be had for $11K give or take and it will run those times with the right rider.
Well first off, all the Bikes from like 1998 and up are limited to 186 - 189 mph. The busa is also the most areodynamic bike made today and will reach 150 mph in around 10 seconds and continue to pull like mad all the way to the speed limiter. Now go try to find a car that has enough power and gear to beat the bike in the 1/4 and on top speed. When racing a bike you will generally have two options. THe car will have enough power and very agressive gearing to be 1/4 winner. That same car that just ran a 10 through the 1/4 is not going to have the gearing to run 190mph without pushing 1000+ HP.
I have a 2002 Busa (Silver & Grey) with an electric shifter and a 2002 Mustang GT (very few mods). My Busa would take a GT hands down any time. I'm not the best on start as the bike has a tendency to lift but once the back wheel grabs that thing flies.
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find me that 8.5 sec stang out on the street.
i didn't say they were on every street corner, obviously. but dang dude they are some out there, maybe that video was just one of them. i'm not arguing that busas are slow, they're hella fast, i'm just saying that there are some cars out there that can beat em' ...it took me like 2 minutes of googling to find a street car that runs 8s... on top of it, it was a stang, does it on drag radials (not slicks) and is driven by a 24 year old girl
No, not too many traction issues. But, wheelies are the ugly sister to lost traction and thats the number one killer of launches. Thats why you want to lower the bike and stretch it. I'd rather have the tire break loose at the launch than ride a wheelie through the 60'. And realize that you can find bikes at any givin local hangout that are capable of low 10's/high 9's. But, find me that 8.5 sec stang out on the street. And, also realize that a new busa can be had for $11K give or take and it will run those times with the right rider.
Find you and 8.5 sec. mustang on the street...How many u want....There are an ass load of 8&9 sec mustangs out on the street...As far as beating a "Busa" with a car..Gee ya that's not realistic...Dude..Bike will normally beat a run of the mull car..But I have been in cars that have beaten "big" bikes such as Busas and other models...Cities such as San Antonio,Tampa,Orland,Detroit,Phoenix,and an a** load of other places have some sick a** cars that love to beat up on bikes...
Will your 8 sec mustang go 190 mph? probably not, so in a real street race it would probably get walked if the race lasted more than a quater mile. I know of a few 8 sec mustangs, and they are far from streetable.
i agree with jdan. most of you have never been in a REALLY fast car. therefore i understand why you call bs
I would have to see it to beleive it. I have ridden for years and have yet to see a car run with a bike. That being said, your point is true, i have never ridden in a REALLY fast car. I did the Petty racing experience once and when that dude hit the gas outta the pits, the only think i thought of was, this is bike-like acceleration, so i guess it is possible. but when a busa can run 0-100 in like 6 secs, that is hard to beat no matter what you drivin'.
Or the busa could throw a turbo on and teh conversation is over.
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Sorry Delk but the Vette and that F-body vid are very very questionable, In the F-body vid the bike rode a wheelie for 25% of the race lol and the Vette vid the Busa was walking him but seemed like he let off(but know that i think about it if that was a Ling Vette anything possible). But in the Supra vid that guy won IMO hands down. But great post
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Joe99es Cobra's are played out dude.. I went to teh dragway last friday and there was like 9 cobra's there, there a dime a dozen
Will your 8 sec mustang go 190 mph? probably not, so in a real street race it would probably get walked if the race lasted more than a quater mile. I know of a few 8 sec mustangs, and they are far from streetable.
Brian
they go 160+mph in the 1320...think about it. i know these cars are few and far between, but they are there and in some areas there's a bunch of them. i haven't ran a busa, but have ran away from a r1 so i think i could at least hang with one. judging by the reactions to any bike i have raced its obvious they were as suprised as you are skeptical
I have beaten bikes with my car...And my car is nothing special...As far as beating bikes,I just don't see why it's so hard to believe..I mean sure the majority of bikes will beat the majority of cars..But it is not impossible it happens all the time it's a fact....Some of you guys that ride bikes should go to some NMRA races or some Fun Ford events,and even some NMCA events...And just hang around for the weekend and see how many cars you will get beat by..Those guys out there that still street race(I don't anymore) love beating up on bikes...Hell Orlando and Bradenton Florida will be loaded with some sick ass mustangs for the next couple of weeks..Go down there and see if a car can beat a bike.....
I have beaten bikes with my car...And my car is nothing special...As far as beating bikes,I just don't see why it's so hard to believe..I mean sure the majority of bikes will beat the majority of cars..But it is not impossible it happens all the time it's a fact....Some of you guys that ride bikes should go to some NMRA races or some Fun Ford events,and even some NMCA events...And just hang around for the weekend and see how many cars you will get beat by..Those guys out there that still street race(I don't anymore) love beating up on bikes...Hell Orlando and Bradenton Florida will be loaded with some sick ass mustangs for the next couple of weeks..Go down there and see if a car can beat a bike.....
This is just a handful of cars from The NMRA Finals last year...These are very streetable cars....Sure not the kinda car you just wanna have as a daily driver...But streetable.......There are many more cars that are more streetable and almost as quick withe better gearing for higher speeds that hang around these events and the streets in many parts of the counrty..If you are so eager to find out how true this is I can make this happen for you , so that you can have a real life encounter wit a bike killer...
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Frank Provenza 8.201@173.09 Phillip Clemmons 8.276@169.19 Dave Hopper 8.359@170.47 Mauro Vitale 8.457@167.93 John Kolivas 8.591@166.68 Tim Johnson 8.607@168.56 Chris Tuten 8.640@166.68 Chris Evans 8.712@162.47
Are you trying to set some people up for failure???....
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I have beaten bikes with my car...And my car is nothing special...As far as beating bikes,I just don't see why it's so hard to believe..I mean sure the majority of bikes will beat the majority of cars..But it is not impossible it happens all the time it's a fact....Some of you guys that ride bikes should go to some NMRA races or some Fun Ford events,and even some NMCA events...And just hang around for the weekend and see how many cars you will get beat by..Those guys out there that still street race(I don't anymore) love beating up on bikes...Hell Orlando and Bradenton Florida will be loaded with some sick ass mustangs for the next couple of weeks..Go down there and see if a car can beat a bike.....
i didn't say they were on every street corner, obviously. but dang dude they are some out there, maybe that video was just one of them. i'm not arguing that busas are slow, they're hella fast, i'm just saying that there are some cars out there that can beat em' ...it took me like 2 minutes of googling to find a street car that runs 8s... on top of it, it was a stang, does it on drag radials (not slicks) and is driven by a 24 year old girl
Congrats on searching the world to find a drag car that can beat one. Dont run into many drags cars in traffic. Not sure why car guys are so hurt that there is something faster than their car out there that cost a fraction as much. And how many of these 8-9 sec cars are dd? less than 1% would be my guess.
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And how many of these 8-9 sec cars are dd? less than 1% would be my guess. 