I still can't wipe the smile off my face!! I'm sure more than a few of you have checked out the Supercharger for the 05-06 V6 being sold on Ebay.... Well, after writing back and forth asking various questions, I realized the company, DashWorks, was only an hour away in Denver!!

First off, there are a few things that really make this kit stand WAY out above the ProCharger setup.

1) This system is dual belted, so if you lose the SC belt, you can still drive, only without boost. The way they do this is they add a pulley to on the outside of the engine from the crankshaft. This also helps reduce drag on the other accessories in the system, which can really affect gas mileage on normal superchargers.

2) This kit was designed with 50-state legality in mind. The company has been working closely with the local Ford dealership to make these perfect every step of the way. They even separated the air temp and air flow sensors, but used Ford parts to do it. The result is the dealership is now having the shop build up the cars with their superchargers. That's what I got to drive today... a car built up for the dealer.

Also, the company worked with Ford engineers to perfect the tune that comes with the kit, which is another reason why it cranks out so much HP.

3) I like how the company does their dyno runs on a warm engine. A lot of other companies do their runs on a cold engine, and even advertise HP gains at the crank, not at the rear wheels. Their non-intercooled kit on an otherwise completely stock V6 manual made 310HP at the rear wheels on a dyno run!

They recently got everything they need to build the kit with a watercooled intercooler. I saw the parts, which I think they're going to include on an upcoming build. They're estimating a bare minimum 40 HP gain with the intercooler, but suspect it'll do much more. The only problem is that the intercooled version may void various parts of the warranty since it'll produce more HP than the transmission and rearend are rated for. The non-intercooled version should not void the warranty if professionally installed.

Now about the ride.... I couldn't believe it. I've driven both stock and mildly modified (CAI, exhaust, etc...) V6's and GTs. This car will beat the pants off any GT owner. In fact, it took a few tries before I could launch w/o spinning the tires! After I could launch without breaking traction, I noticed I never really had a good grip while accelerating. The power of this system kept the tires chirping all throughout first gear. Even a perfect shift to 2nd would result in loud bark of the tires. I tried to keep it down to a dull roar... but the owner of the shop make a sweet 15-ft or so burnout. I just wish I could've driven it with a decent T-lok installed, but the rearend was completely stock.

Anyways, I'm gonna have to wrap this up sometime. I could talk all day about this thing. I was planning on turbocharging my Chevy Avalanche first, but now I'm not so sure..... I think I'll wait for them to get the intercooler install all set up perfect. If I do this, I'm also gonna install the T-lok, some stickier tires, etc... I want to be able to put every HP of that power to the ground.

This place deserves a plug for building such an awesome kit. I'm in no way affiliated with them or anything. I'm just a curious customer looking to smoke a GT and just happened to get my socks blown off today. From what I can tell, they're the first company to actually sell and install a SC on a V6 stang. ProCharger developed a kit, but I've heard they're still in the "taking orders" phase.

Here's their Ebay page: V6 Mustang Supercharger (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/v6-mustang-supercharger_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33741QQite mZ7995528834QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V)

...and here's the company's homepage: DashWorks.net (http://dashworks.net)

This car will beat the pants off any GT owner.
Thats a bold statement considering that there are quite a few supercharged GTs out there.

probably meant a stock gt

ORIGINAL: GJP05

This car will beat the pants off any GT owner.
Thats a bold statement considering that there are quite a few supercharged GTs out there.


True. I mean normally aspirated GT owners, of course.

A Naturaly Aspirated GT can get around 400rwhp with all bolt ons cams and head work. What is a supercharged V6 getting to the wheels?

310HP RWHP w/o the intercooler.

They haven't dyno'd the kit with the intercooler yet. They had all the parts in.... looks good. I'm dying to know what it'll make with the intercooler.

Also, keep in mind this is with no other mods. The car I drove today was straight from the dealer, only 50 miles on it.

The only thing non-stock part of the engine was the new injectors, which come with the kit. Who knows what it could get with cams and ported heads.....

We're talking about a Powerdyne supercharger, aren't we? Don't they have a rep for eating up engines?

In the November issue of 5.0 mustang, they have a writeup, pictures, and dyno numbers on a bone stock V6 with Procharger system. I'm convinced to purchase one of their systems. (Published numbers at summer 85F heat / 65% humidity 320 RWHP, 300 lb, mid 13 sec, 100 mph, bone stock otherwise) I believe in a air to air cooler than water. If I did consider the powedyne system, I still would use ATI's or a turbcharger based air to air incooler. From my experiences with my current ATI P1SC superchargers, I think the water based incooler couldn't carry away heat as fast as air to air. THe mass flow of air going through the intercooler far suppresses the water line size. Each component has a efficency coeff, and if theres a heat exchanger for the hot side, then theres a cold sid efficency coefficent, and highly limited flowrate of the water= possibly not carry away enough heat, and complicated system. I think of water to air intercooling as a backup plan in applications where theres not enough room for a air to air intercooler, or if its a marine application where theres always 60 degree F lake water to chill with. Thats my 2 cents. I sense some Powerdyne bashing in few others. Lets back off. Competition with Procharger, Vortec, and other is a good thing for consumers like us...

Yates...

Still great news!!! The more kits that get to the market, the more options we have and eventually....prices should come down a bit.

Of course, competition is a good thing. After talking with Dashworks, I found out they use superchargers from both companies. For this application, they decided to go with the Powerdyne.

I have a question, for the folks with more SC experience than me... They told me the boost was set at 6 psi. Can you use a smaller pulley to get extra boost with the Powerdyne??

I would rather go for a 9-11psi boost for that type of cash to throw into my car.

Well you new GT owners don't have too much to worry about because no matter what a six can do you all can fairly easily match that peformance. But 94-98 are about to be toast, and 99-04s better watch out, now this doesn't include Cobra's. Man can't wait to get my new stang, might buy one tomorro if the price is right.

Easily? The V6 is pushing 310 RWHP non-intercooled with this SC. A stock GT benches about 255-260 RWHP on the dyno.

A CAI and aftermarket exhaust isn't gonna make that much difference "fairly easily". Granted, you could go with some sort of forced induction and blow the doors off a V6, but that's not the point. The point is the V6 can make power. More than the stock GT, with assloads of cash less. That's not even counting what you'd save with insurance.

Did I post this in the wrong forum??! I thought I was in the 4.0L forum! Sheesh... I could understand this kinda backlash if I was posting this in the GT forum or something. Give us little guys a break! Don't rain on our parade!!

Oh yeah, and if you run up on a V6 and find yourself looking at taillights, you're gonna want a comparable one of these on order yourselves!

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

Well you new GT owners don't have too much to worry about because no matter what a six can do you all can fairly easily match that peformance. But 94-98 are about to be toast, and 99-04s better watch out, now this doesn't include Cobra's. Man can't wait to get my new stang, might buy one tomorro if the price is right.

I've been thinking about this a bit.... how can a SC set up this way possibly "eat up" an engine? We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something. Not to mention, it's on a separate pulley, so if the blower seizes up or something, the belt would probably just break.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I well understand how superchargers work... I just don't have a lot of hands on experience.

ORIGINAL: hamidlmt

We're talking about a Powerdyne supercharger, aren't we? Don't they have a rep for eating up engines?

ORIGINAL: flapjack

I've been thinking about this a bit.... how can a SC set up this way possibly "eat up" an engine? We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something. Not to mention, it's on a separate pulley, so if the blower seizes up or something, the belt would probably just break.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I well understand how superchargers work... I just don't have a lot of hands on experience.

ORIGINAL: hamidlmt

We're talking about a Powerdyne supercharger, aren't we? Don't they have a rep for eating up engines?



I'm going to say this gently as possible... you say "I well understand how superchargers work" but yet you say things like "We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something".... sorry but to me that shows your are a little lacking in your knowledge... Correct me if I'm wrong but they way you say it it appears that you think all nitrous is destructive? And nitrous is forced induction... Instead of mechanical pulleys and turbines/propellers you use a pressurized bottle... Remember nitrous does not actually burn!

Just because you install a S/C unit does not automatically mean it's safe for the engine... Your blanket statemements make it appear that's what you believe.... "How can a SC set up this way possibly eat up and engine".... well for starters, put a bad tune in your car and you'll destroy your engine before you get all the way around the block... simple as that..

I think why we get in these heated debates is because people are making these wide sweeping, blanket statements... Now I realize the OP corrected himself later, but he did originally say something to the effect of beating "ALL GTs" out there... you made your blanket statement "not nitrous or something", there by implying all nitrous setups are destructive and will result in a blown engine... do you see my point? These are the kind of statements that tend to get peoples backs up... I know it does mine... like the other day someone made the blanket statment "V6 = slow"... LOL! Yeah, I replied alright... LOL!

Let me see if I can sum this up... Nitrous can destroy an engine just as quickly, if not quicker, than a bad tune can. Anyone knows that if you don't have the right timing set (retarded) on an engine, you can blow a hole in your cylinder, bend connecting rods, blow a head gasket, etc... Although today's kits take much of that fear away, there's still the chance that you'll fire it off at too low an RPM.

I've known quite a few people to run nitrous, superchargers, turbochargers, etc... I've never seen a production SC or TC do damage, but I've seen many a nitrous kit screw up an engine. Nitrous, if done right, can be a blast. But personally, I would supercharge my system before I'd even dream of running the juice. The point I was trying to get across is that I've seen nitrous damage more engines than forced induction.

Oh yeah, and I understand how nitrous works. Since when is nitrous "forced induction"? We're talking chemistry here.... N2O releasing extra oxygen in the engine.... etc. Where did I say the stuff actually burned?? An SC or TC actually forces more oxygen into the engine. Nitrous creates oxygen inside the combustion chamber through a chemical reaction. BIG difference.

Last point.... I don't believe that every SC install is perfect and can't screw anything up. That's not what I meant and I don't see where you're pulling that from. You mentioned tunes hurting the engine and whatnot... you must not have read the person I was quoting in my last post. His statement was something to the effect of Powerdyne SCs eating engines. My reply pointed out that a blower hurting an engine is unlikely... a bad tune? Yes. But keep in mind, this tune was designed by very qualified at SCT, working closely with people in Detroit at Ford. Not some kid sitting in his car, toggling fuel curves on a programmable tuner.

As far as the OP goes, that was me. Freaking shoot me. I failed to put "stock" in front of GT when talking about spanking the V8. Anyone who chose to ignore what I obviously meant is just looking to argue. Of course, slap an SC on a GT and no V6 is gonna touch it.... not without lots of cash.

Sorry for the long reply. I just feel like you're putting words in my mouth. At least twice in your post you said I think all nitrous set ups are destructive. I think you're being a little overly-defensive here. Now that you know I feel nitrous is simply more dangerous than supercharging, re-read my post.

ORIGINAL: scrming

ORIGINAL: flapjack

I've been thinking about this a bit.... how can a SC set up this way possibly "eat up" an engine? We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something. Not to mention, it's on a separate pulley, so if the blower seizes up or something, the belt would probably just break.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I well understand how superchargers work... I just don't have a lot of hands on experience.

ORIGINAL: hamidlmt

We're talking about a Powerdyne supercharger, aren't we? Don't they have a rep for eating up engines?



I'm going to say this gently as possible... you say "I well understand how superchargers work" but yet you say things like "We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something".... sorry but to me that shows your are a little lacking in your knowledge... Correct me if I'm wrong but they way you say it it appears that you think all nitrous is destructive? And nitrous is forced induction... Instead of mechanical pulleys and turbines/propellers you use a pressurized bottle... Remember nitrous does not actually burn!

Just because you install a S/C unit does not automatically mean it's safe for the engine... Your blanket statemements make it appear that's what you believe.... "How can a SC set up this way possibly eat up and engine".... well for starters, put a bad tune in your car and you'll destroy your engine before you get all the way around the block... simple as that..

I think why we get in these heated debates is because people are making these wide sweeping, blanket statements... Now I realize the OP corrected himself later, but he did originally say something to the effect of beating "ALL GTs" out there... you made your blanket statement "not nitrous or something", there by implying all nitrous setups are destructive and will result in a blown engine... do you see my point? These are the kind of statements that tend to get peoples backs up... I know it does mine... like the other day someone made the blanket statment "V6 = slow"... LOL! Yeah, I replied alright... LOL!

I have in fact seen a production S/C units take out a motor... justa few weeks ago as a matter of fact...

Doing some research... forced induction seems to have multiple meanings... some consider nitrous FI... some don't.. some would call it "chemcially supercharged".. LOL! I've seen talk about FI being anything that increases cylinder pressure which would include nitrous... LOL!

My fault.. I should have clarified myself... A properly installed nitrous setup with all the latest safety devices, WOT switch, window switch, fuel pressure safety switch, etc. is a pretty safe choice...

And yes, everyone knew the word "stock" was implied... about beating any GT... but that's not what was said... I'm just saying don't be surprise when people respond the way they do when you make those kinds of statements... Just like your generalizations about S/C and nitrous... Your broad statements make it sound like you think that every S/C and Turbo on the market is 100% safe for your car while every nitrous kit will result in melted pistion or bent rods... I'm not trying to put words your mouth... but that is the impression people are left with when you make broad generalizations.. Thank you for taking the time to reply and clearing up my misunderstanding...

The main point is when people make these blanket statements, like the example I had, "V6 = slow" you cannot be surpised if you get a defensive response...I've been guilty of it in the past... I try now to be more aware of it...

This is a good thread - - lots of information...

BUT.. you guys need to "CALM DOWN" just a bit or I will have to mess up the thread...

I don't think anyone here is dissing anyone else here... just some misunderstanding of definations so you guys need to learn to get your point across more clearly with a calmer tone to your verbage!.

GREAT conversation.

My views on using NOS... I always thought NOS was a bad idea for street machines. Scares me to death thinking people are installing that stuff on their cars when they barely can change a light bulb without blowing a fuse! Sounds to me like a GREAT way to blow up not only your engine.. but your entire car and maybe your house along with it!

I preferr Blowers, Turbochargers and Superchargers over exotic fuels or additives.

These particular engines weren't designed to burn at the temps produced by using NOS or any other fuels or fuel enhancments.

Yes.. you car WILL run wonderfully under NOS, but it won't do it for very long.

A 12 Volt Seal Beem headlight will burn WONDERFULLY BRIGHT if you plug it into a 110 volt socket... for a few seconds!

ORIGINAL: Professor Wizard

This is a good thread - - lots of information...

BUT.. you guys need to "CALM DOWN" just a bit or I will have to mess up the thread...

I don't think anyone here is dissing anyone else here... just some misunderstanding of definations so you guys need to learn to get your point across more clearly with a calmer tone to your verbage!.

GREAT conversation.

My views on using NOS... I always thought NOS was a bad idea for street machines. Scares me to death thinking people are installing that stuff on their cars when they barely can change a light bulb without blowing a fuse! Sounds to me like a GREAT way to blow up not only your engine.. but your entire car and maybe your house along with it!

I preferr Blowers, Turbochargers and Superchargers over exotic fuels or additives.

These particular engines weren't designed to burn at the temps produced by using NOS or any other fuels or fuel enhancments.

Yes.. you car WILL run wonderfully under NOS, but it won't do it for very long.

A 12 Volt Seal Beem headlight will burn WONDERFULLY BRIGHT if you plug it into a 110 volt socket... for a few seconds!



Thanks, Professor...

I'm not trying to diss anyone... please accept my apology if I came across that way...

PW, i can totally relate to your thinking on the N20... I always thought N20 was just an accident going some where to happen! LOL! I too would have preferred a S/C or Turbo... but it was cost prohibitive... so I did a bit of research... found out that I had a lot of misconceptions about N20.. that the new kits are much much safer to use than I ever would have imagined...My wife, the accountant, about killed me with the evil eye when I mentioned $3600 for an S/C... LOL! So then I told here what a bargin the Zex was at only $580! LOL! I will eventually add a S/C or Turbo...

Curious why you think this engine will have trouble with the N20? Wondering when you would expect probelms to start? I've got probably 30 1/4 miles passes and 10 dyno pulls and no sign of any problems yet... again, not trying to be confrontational or a smarty pants... just honestly curious... Maybe this weekend I'll pull the spark plugs and double check them...

Allright flapjack, it sounds as if you infering that I have a GT, well read my post, I have a modified 98 "V6," don't talk to me as if I was one of those V8 aholes, now I'm not saying all V8ers are aholes, but some of them can be ruthless and relentless when talking to sixers and vice versa with sixers talking about GTs. Now back to my statment, I ment that a GT can get the same hp gains as a V6 can with less money invested since they have more stock power, now the older 94-98s will basically be a draw in the long run they are toast, the 99-04s have a slight edge, but would be a good match, the 05-06s will always win as long as the car is modified just enough to put out the eqivilent hp, that's all I ment, I didn't say that a modified 6 would just hang with the Gts or just barely win, they would blow them away with a super or turbocharger. And refering to the new nos thing, nos "can" damage or destroy your engine and so can a super or turbo charger, but the odds are fairly low as long as you do engine and transmission matenence regualarly. Now even maintence doesn't gurantee anything, but it does help. Just to let you know I know a guy that had a 99 V6 stang that blew his #3 and 4 cylinders right out of his hood after doing a shot of nos. Now he was a racer, a real one, and he did maintence regularly, but stuff does happen, but for everyday use you should be OK, but like I said stuff happens.

Jthorn.... did you read my post? calm your tone!

Scrming... You are correct. nitrous oxideis a very cheap way to get BANG Horsepower. and it works wonderfully in these engines.. both the 8's and the 6's. it is a VERY OLD trick, just as injectiong Propane into a Diesel has the same effect.

But.. you do have to be very carful - - everything in moderation so to speak. Running NO with your gas increases the combustion temps dramaticly. Prolong exposure to these higher temps will eventually start to warp valves, degrade the piston sleaves and rings, it can also cause problems with header tubes and catalytic converters. Mind you... how much and how long it will take - is dependant on how often you hit "The Button" and what your configuration is.

As an example - cars that are designed to regularly run the 1/4 mile don't run with $5,000 street engines.. they run with $40,000 racing engines designed to withstand the extreame temps of exotic fuels and injected vapor.

So.. if your going to run with NO.. then maintain a level head with the thoughts of increasing the jetting and pressure. the more you pump it.. the highter your chances are of pumping it right through the hood.

Personally, I would rather have my car run with 315HP for 10 yeasr then have it run with 450hp for 1 year.

Not sure about this year but with previous model Powerdyne systems you had to tap into the oil pan. So the system was not self contained and this is where the problems started. The S/C was using regular motor oil that you had in your engine to lube its parts but this would eventualy lead to engine problems. As far as taking lots of money for a GT to get over 300rwhp, all you need is a CAI, under drive pullies, and a good tune and the GT will be just over 300rwhp. Stock GT's are around 268rwhp. You gain 10-12rwhp for the pullies and 25-32rwhp for the CAI and tune combined.

ORIGINAL: Professor Wizard

Jthorn.... did you read my post? calm your tone!

Scrming... You are correct. nitrous oxideis a very cheap way to get BANG Horsepower. and it works wonderfully in these engines.. both the 8's and the 6's. it is a VERY OLD trick, just as injectiong Propane into a Diesel has the same effect.

But.. you do have to be very carful - - everything in moderation so to speak. Running NO with your gas increases the combustion temps dramaticly. Porlong exposure to these higher temps will eventually start to warp valves, degrade the piston sleaves and rings, it can also cause problems with header tubes and catalytic converters. Mind you... how much and how long it will take - is dependant on how often you hit "The Button" and what your configuration is.

As an example - cars that are designed to regularly run the 1/4 mile don't run with $5,000 street engines.. they run with $40,000 racing engines designed to withstand the extreame temps of exotic fuels and injected vapor.

So.. if your going to run with NO.. then maintain a level head with the thoughts of increasing the jetting and pressure. the more you pump it.. the highter your chances are of pumping it right through the hood.

Personally, I would rather have my car run with 315HP for 10 yeasr then have it run with 450hp for 1 year.



Good info! Thanks! Luckily I'm working with one of the best Mustang guys around and he does a great job of keeping my head level! He is my voice of reason and makes absolutely sure I don't get carried away and do something stupid like rush into sticking the 150HP jets in! LOL! So for now the 100HP seem like a good fit... Also I never spray on the street.. only at the track... for 13 seconds at at time... and I never hot-lap... I let things cool down between runs.. So hopefully things will continue to hold together...

Dude WTF, I did and I am using a calm tone, I did not bash anybody, nor did I use any naughty language. I simply backed up what I said earlier and defended my statement.

What if I put a block of C4 in my gas tank??? Will that make my car go faster? [sm=chairshot.gif]

ORIGINAL: burdweiser

What if I put a block of C4 in my gas tank??? Will that make my car go faster? [sm=chairshot.gif]


only on the veritical.. not the horizontal.... LOL

ORIGINAL: scrming

ORIGINAL: flapjack

I've been thinking about this a bit.... how can a SC set up this way possibly "eat up" an engine? We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something. Not to mention, it's on a separate pulley, so if the blower seizes up or something, the belt would probably just break.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. I well understand how superchargers work... I just don't have a lot of hands on experience.

ORIGINAL: hamidlmt

We're talking about a Powerdyne supercharger, aren't we? Don't they have a rep for eating up engines?



I'm going to say this gently as possible... you say "I well understand how superchargers work" but yet you say things like "We're talking about forced air, not nitrous or something".... sorry but to me that shows your are a little lacking in your knowledge... Correct me if I'm wrong but they way you say it it appears that you think all nitrous is destructive? And nitrous is forced induction... Instead of mechanical pulleys and turbines/propellers you use a pressurized bottle... Remember nitrous does not actually burn!

Just because you install a S/C unit does not automatically mean it's safe for the engine... Your blanket statemements make it appear that's what you believe.... "How can a SC set up this way possibly eat up and engine".... well for starters, put a bad tune in your car and you'll destroy your engine before you get all the way around the block... simple as that..

I think why we get in these heated debates is because people are making these wide sweeping, blanket statements... Now I realize the OP corrected himself later, but he did originally say something to the effect of beating "ALL GTs" out there... you made your blanket statement "not nitrous or something", there by implying all nitrous setups are destructive and will result in a blown engine... do you see my point? These are the kind of statements that tend to get peoples backs up... I know it does mine... like the other day someone made the blanket statment "V6 = slow"... LOL! Yeah, I replied alright... LOL!




Exactly, in your statement, the Tune did it. Not the S/C, the tune is to blame. ANY S/C with an improper tune is a bad combo no matter who makes it. Soooo, your blanket statement of Powerdyne eating motors is misplaced. Perhaps a more accurate statement is "Powerdyne tends to make tunes that make their S/C eat your motor"

Flapjack - Great to hear the S/C made such a difference! :D I'm still debating on a 06 Stang or a 06 truck...family and home tend to shy me away from the Mustang as a family/workhorse. Maybe after I get rid of a couple of kids I'll have more time to play and more cash to burn!!

Well flapjack.....thanks a lot for your post!......makes me very excited on what the possibilities are with my '06 V6 Stang. I was sooo tempted on getting the GT but financial reasons slapped me in the face. Nevertheless, i'm very very happy with my 4.0L and now even more happy on what it's capable of doing! As for the GT guy....chill out man!....you still got a GT! you should focus your attention more on what the Vette and camaro guys are doing...not us V6ers!......besides, we the same Family!....show some Luv!

If your refering to me then I'm not putting the V6 down I just want to see what you guys can get it to do. I almost went that route until I was able to find a GT for sticker price on a lot and not have to wait for an ordered one. In the meantime does anyone have a S/C on their V6?

ORIGINAL: GJP05

If your refering to me then I'm not putting the V6 down I just want to see what you guys can get it to do. I almost went that route until I was able to find a GT for sticker price on a lot and not have to wait for an ordered one. In the meantime does anyone have a S/C on their V6?


I have yet to come across on any of the forums some one who has actually put a supercharger in their own personal V6. And there is only a couple of us with the Zex kit...

GJP05.......Its cool......i still think about the day i was at the car lot and almost ready to commit to the GT but good thing i waited till the next weekend cuz i got my V6 at sticker price also. It was at least 2k less than all the other V6's (very nice deal and fit perfectly into my budget) on the lot and it had everything exactly the way i wanted it.....color, interior color, style, features, etc. I'm just happy to finally own a Stang!

ORIGINAL: GJP05

If your refering to me then I'm not putting the V6 down I just want to see what you guys can get it to do. I almost went that route until I was able to find a GT for sticker price on a lot and not have to wait for an ordered one. In the meantime does anyone have a S/C on their V6?


I just started my supercharger fund; will be installing it this spring (with the help of my neighbor; who drives pro-stock... big speed freak). I'm leaning towards a ProCharger - I just wish they would release more information on the intercooled stage II upgrade? Or hopefully Vortech, X-Charger, and a few other reputable dealers will release a kit for the 05-06 sixers. And for that reason, I haven't ordered a tuner or CAI yet, figure it would be wasted since most kits include both.

I just get apprehensive about it, everytime I read "...a stock 4.0L isn't designed for a power-adder, and will implode upon adding one...". I don't know how much it is to "forge" the internals to solidify everything for a power-adder, but it sounds expensive. Any other alternatives (other then ripping apart an engine) to greatly increase my chances of successfully running a decent amount of boost? Water/alch. intercooler? Air-to-air intercoolers? Anything else I would need other then the kit, or anything reccomended?

It should run you anywhere from $2700-$4000 to forge the internals. As far as supporting mods for a S/C it will depend on what the S/C kit comes with. If the kits are similar to the GT's then you will need something to help with fuel issues(fuel pump,or BAP,and injectors), increased MAF, and a dyno tune. Not sure about the V6 gearing but you might want those changed. Does anyone know if all the internal parts are the same as the GT's? If the internals are the same then you won't have to forge them until you pass the 450rwhp mark. The drive shaft is pretty weak so you might want to replace that too.If you are going with big power then you should relace the clutch and maybe a brake upgrade not to mention new tires.

American Muscle 5.0 Nov 05 issure did testing 2005 Mustang V6 with a ATI PRO Charger P-1SC on a bone stock V6 (except nitto DR Tires) no trans program either. Car dyno at 321HP/ 292TQ. When they arrived at Kanas Int Raceway at 7:30 am it was 85 degrees and a humid day they made 4 passes no burn out before staging car ran in the 13.80's.

They seem to wish they would of had a manual trans, they also said and I am quoting "add a good exhuast, transmission programing and cooler temps/ better air to the mix and we're certain those numbers will climb dramatically".


IMO add to above quote a T lock and some nice gears 4:10 -4:30's/ RR sup work, with a 5 spd MT wouldn't doubt youll see 12's not bad! Talk about a sleeper :)


I'll tell ya this V6 has potentail and seems to have GO power.

ORIGINAL: TJ


I'll tell ya this V6 has potentail and seems to have GO power.



Yep, it sure does! My car has run a 13.4 with street tires! (Nitto 450s). I'm sure with a good set of DRs the car could be in the 12s... With 350 pounds of torque I tend to spin... LOL! And this is with the 100HP shot... Based on what I'm finding/seeing I think we could easily move to the 125HP jets... LOL!

www.supersixmotorsports.com is releasing internals slowly. I think some people with more knowledge than me should take a look at their stuff and post some comments on it. Besides, I need someone with more knowledge than me to tell me if that stuff is worth a damn. they say it is the way to go for poweradder applications.

ORIGINAL: GJP05

It should run you anywhere from $2700-$4000 to forge the internals. As far as supporting mods for a S/C it will depend on what the S/C kit comes with. If the kits are similar to the GT's then you will need something to help with fuel issues(fuel pump,or BAP,and injectors), increased MAF, and a dyno tune. Not sure about the V6 gearing but you might want those changed. Does anyone know if all the internal parts are the same as the GT's? If the internals are the same then you won't have to forge them until you pass the 450rwhp mark. The drive shaft is pretty weak so you might want to replace that too.If you are going with big power then you should relace the clutch and maybe a brake upgrade not to mention new tires.


Most S/C kits (all two of them) come with an SCT Xcal2 tuner. In addition to tuning the car with the SCT tuner (myself), I would have to take it into a shop to have it dynoed (would it have to be a performance shop, or would any shop carry the appropriate equipment?) and what exactly does a dyno tune do that a SCT tuner wouldn't handle?

Also, in addition to injectors and/or fuel pump upgrade (whats BAP?) - increased MAF, gears + t-lok (to handle the power? create less spin?).. would I also have to change the combustion ratio? I read that the stock internals would operate better if you lower the ratio w/the addition of a power-adder.. not sure on the validity of that.

And could I realistically run all the above mods for a good while before I upgrade drive shaft, brake upgrades and some stickier tires (what'll hook good but won't get eaten by street usage?)

BAP=Boost a pump. A dyno tune is a tune loaded into your SCT. Atuner just puts your car on a dyno and tweeks your air/fuel ratio. Increased MAF will give you a higher volume of air to use with the S/C application. Combustion ratio should be good but a dyno tuner will know for sure. If you keep the power level below 450rwhp then the stock parts will hold up, the only real weak point is the drive shaft. I already had one replaced and that was before the S/C. Not sure what the V6 gears are but the 3:55 or 3:73 are a good choice for a S/C. I have Nitto's on and they have great traction and my car is a daily driver.

I just put in a ProCharger...Smoked a stock GT... Will get pictures and a video up as soon as I get a new digital Camera...If you guys are going to invest in anything...let me highly suggest the procharger...AMAZING...

I just put in a ProCharger...Smoked a stock GT... Will get pictures and a video up as soon as I get a new digital Camera...If you guys are going to invest in anything...let me highly suggest the procharger...AMAZING...

ORIGINAL: FightingIllini

I just put in a ProCharger...Smoked a stock GT... Will get pictures and a video up as soon as I get a new digital Camera...If you guys are going to invest in anything...let me highly suggest the procharger...AMAZING...


Very cool... we'll be interesting to see how well everything holds up.... Do you happen to have any dyno sheets? What PSI is it running? Any chance you'll be taking it to the track?

I thought the ATI procharger cam with its own CAI, did u need a special tune over and beyond what the kits comes with? That hood is bada$$ btw- when I get the extra cash and upgrade to a blower that is the hood to get...

Thanks Man...Its a California Dreamhood from RKS...The Picture there is the one off the website i don't have a digital Camera Yet... However, I love the hood, The car in the pic is the same color and look so I use it... It's great quality and and looks factory made after installation... To the other question the Procharger does come with a CAI, However with a Predator and a little Reflash trial and error, you can get a great deal more power out of the Brute Force. Plus it just looks so badass ( The Brutal ).

Got a question has anybody seen any decent twin turbo kits out there. Go a buddy who want to twin turbo his???

Next Person to put the Procharger on....get a set of Shorty Headers put in...I don't understand why but it was highly suggested by the company. Typically I would think it would be a ploy to buy more crap from them, but they don't make headers... So just a possible Heads up

ORIGINAL: FightingIllini

Thanks Man...Its a California Dreamhood from RKS...The Picture there is the one off the website i don't have a digital Camera Yet... However, I love the hood, The car in the pic is the same color and look so I use it... It's great quality and and looks factory made after installation... To the other question the Procharger does come with a CAI, However with a Predator and a little Reflash trial and error, you can get a great deal more power out of the Brute Force. Plus it just looks so badass ( The Brutal ).

Got a question has anybody seen any decent twin turbo kits out there. Go a buddy who want to twin turbo his???

Next Person to put the Procharger on....get a set of Shorty Headers put in...I don't understand why but it was highly suggested by the company. Typically I would think it would be a ploy to buy more crap from them, but they don't make headers... So just a possible Heads up


yep, I think you'll see a twin turbo kit like maybe after the 1st of the year...

Sorry it took so long to write back. Working nights and having this site blocked from work (USAF) will do that to ya.... :P

Good points. Advice taken. I still feel that the opportunity for disaster is great with squirting than with blowing, heheh (By definition, that was a PUN. Please, PLEASE don't anyone take that the wrong way! You know what the *#$!@ I meant!). This of course, is my opinion and I'm entitled to it.... as you're entitled to yours. To tell you the truth, if I had my way I'd do both!!

As for one of the earlier comments.... I'm curious as to how an aircooled intercooler can possibly cool better than watercooled one. Physics stands against you here. Water has a much higher thermal capacity than air. Whether sitting at idle or doing 100 mph, watercooling beats air cooling any day. ....especially since the water is cooled by the air. Now, if you're worried about another part going bad, I can totally understand that. The watercooled intercooler uses an electric pump, which of course would be subject to failure.

ORIGINAL: scrming

I have in fact seen a production S/C units take out a motor... justa few weeks ago as a matter of fact...

Doing some research... forced induction seems to have multiple meanings... some consider nitrous FI... some don't.. some would call it "chemcially supercharged".. LOL! I've seen talk about FI being anything that increases cylinder pressure which would include nitrous... LOL!

My fault.. I should have clarified myself... A properly installed nitrous setup with all the latest safety devices, WOT switch, window switch, fuel pressure safety switch, etc. is a pretty safe choice...

And yes, everyone knew the word "stock" was implied... about beating any GT... but that's not what was said... I'm just saying don't be surprise when people respond the way they do when you make those kinds of statements... Just like your generalizations about S/C and nitrous... Your broad statements make it sound like you think that every S/C and Turbo on the market is 100% safe for your car while every nitrous kit will result in melted pistion or bent rods... I'm not trying to put words your mouth... but that is the impression people are left with when you make broad generalizations.. Thank you for taking the time to reply and clearing up my misunderstanding...

The main point is when people make these blanket statements, like the example I had, "V6 = slow" you cannot be surpised if you get a defensive response...I've been guilty of it in the past... I try now to be more aware of it...

Sorry, I didn't take the time to read your sig. That being said, I'm a V8 guy myself. But after owning a V8 Avalanche since 2002, the GT didn't really make sense to me. We needed a second vehicle, and I knew I could get more power out of it later if I wanted. I agree, the GT guys can be ANIMALS.... but there are definitely some really cool ones out there. The way I see it, there should be no animosity between any Mustang owners. Hell, if it wasn't for the V6 owners, the Mustang would've gone the way of the Camaro (at least they're bringing it back....).

Of course, if a GT owner was willing to do a similar mod, it would always outpace the V6 owner. When it comes right down to it, the person with the most displacement will usually have the most options for making power. That being said, the majority of GT owners are going to stick with normal aspiration.... as will the V6 guys most likely. However, I think it safe to say that with this kit, or any other similar performing SC/TC, a V6 owner will suprise the hell out of the majority of GT owners.

That is of course, until we tangle with a supercharged GT!!!

ORIGINAL: jthorn9

Allright flapjack, it sounds as if you infering that I have a GT, well read my post, I have a modified 98 "V6," don't talk to me as if I was one of those V8 aholes, now I'm not saying all V8ers are aholes, but some of them can be ruthless and relentless when talking to sixers and vice versa with sixers talking about GTs. Now back to my statment, I ment that a GT can get the same hp gains as a V6 can with less money invested since they have more stock power, now the older 94-98s will basically be a draw in the long run they are toast, the 99-04s have a slight edge, but would be a good match, the 05-06s will always win as long as the car is modified just enough to put out the eqivilent hp, that's all I ment, I didn't say that a modified 6 would just hang with the Gts or just barely win, they would blow them away with a super or turbocharger. And refering to the new nos thing, nos "can" damage or destroy your engine and so can a super or turbo charger, but the odds are fairly low as long as you do engine and transmission matenence regualarly. Now even maintence doesn't gurantee anything, but it does help. Just to let you know I know a guy that had a 99 V6 stang that blew his #3 and 4 cylinders right out of his hood after doing a shot of nos. Now he was a racer, a real one, and he did maintence regularly, but stuff does happen, but for everyday use you should be OK, but like I said stuff happens.

The way I see it, there should be no animosity between any Mustang owners. Hell, if it wasn't for the V6 owners, the Mustang would've gone the way of the Camaro (at least they're bringing it back....).

Of course, if a GT owner was willing to do a similar mod, it would always outpace the V6 owner. When it comes right down to it, the person with the most displacement will usually have the most options for making power. That being said, the majority of GT owners are going to stick with normal aspiration.... as will the V6 guys most likely. However, I think it safe to say that with this kit, or any other similar performing SC/TC, a V6 owner will suprise the hell out of the majority of GT owners.

That is of course, until we tangle with a supercharged GT!!!


What a great post! I couldn't agree more with(everything said) your post.


This post reminds me I always ran BB's cheys HP, TQ & CC's (427 in a 69Z/28/LS-6 454/70Chevelle SS) in my street racing days I wouldn't even consider buying a small block ( I know they can wind up & hold together better) you would have to build a small block just to get the power my engines performed stock and they were not stock. Same analogy (owner was willing to do a similar mod) you posted is the way I looked at with my street cars. There was no animosity between small block guys and big block guys in our city we got along great.

The above post by you is why you can completely understand why most GT guys wouldn't even consider a 6 and I would agree with them.

That being said since my street freinds (all married SUV's) & racing days are over I picked up a six with a stick for kicks and I love the little guy.


I think 99% of the GT guys here have been totaly cool with the V 6 guys from what I have read at least here at Mustang forums.

ORIGINAL: flapjack

Sorry it took so long to write back. Working nights and having this site blocked from work (USAF) will do that to ya.... :P

Good points. Advice taken. I still feel that the opportunity for disaster is great with squirting than with blowing, heheh (By definition, that was a PUN. Please, PLEASE don't anyone take that the wrong way! You know what the *#$!@ I meant!). This of course, is my opinion and I'm entitled to it.... as you're entitled to yours. To tell you the truth, if I had my way I'd do both!!

As for one of the earlier comments.... I'm curious as to how an aircooled intercooler can possibly cool better than watercooled one. Physics stands against you here. Water has a much higher thermal capacity than air. Whether sitting at idle or doing 100 mph, watercooling beats air cooling any day. ....especially since the water is cooled by the air. Now, if you're worried about another part going bad, I can totally understand that. The watercooled intercooler uses an electric pump, which of course would be subject to failure.

ORIGINAL: scrming

I have in fact seen a production S/C units take out a motor... justa few weeks ago as a matter of fact...

Doing some research... forced induction seems to have multiple meanings... some consider nitrous FI... some don't.. some would call it "chemcially supercharged".. LOL! I've seen talk about FI being anything that increases cylinder pressure which would include nitrous... LOL!

My fault.. I should have clarified myself... A properly installed nitrous setup with all the latest safety devices, WOT switch, window switch, fuel pressure safety switch, etc. is a pretty safe choice...

And yes, everyone knew the word "stock" was implied... about beating any GT... but that's not what was said... I'm just saying don't be surprise when people respond the way they do when you make those kinds of statements... Just like your generalizations about S/C and nitrous... Your broad statements make it sound like you think that every S/C and Turbo on the market is 100% safe for your car while every nitrous kit will result in melted pistion or bent rods... I'm not trying to put words your mouth... but that is the impression people are left with when you make broad generalizations.. Thank you for taking the time to reply and clearing up my misunderstanding...

The main point is when people make these blanket statements, like the example I had, "V6 = slow" you cannot be surpised if you get a defensive response...I've been guilty of it in the past... I try now to be more aware of it...





Was at Alternative Auto today... We double checked my spark plugs just for good measure... after about at least a couple dozen 1/4 mile runs and a bunch of dyno pulls the plugs looked good... no sign of burning or anything... I was kind of concerned since some of the GT guys had burned their plugs up... not my case... Lidio also noted that the V6 seems to be running colder plug stock... So for now I'm feeling pretty good about running the 100HP shot... We also did a couple of pulls on the dyno... With the new tires and spraying a little earlier the car went 384 on the Torque!!! I'll post sheet later...

While I was there we were talking about Lidio's setup... He runs a Vortech in his 05 GT. He added Methanol injection... Lowered his intake temp by 100 degrees!!!

air to air uses a lot more mass flow when the water lines. on top of that, each heat exchanger has an efectiveness coefficent that is maybe only 60-75% on each.

That's good information. Do you have a good page that talks about the different types intercoolers? I'd like to read more.

Also, I got a reply back on the cooling line question someone asked. The Powerdyne does not tap into the cooling pan. It uses a ceramic bearing that doesn't generate as much heat, therefore it doesn't require oil-cooling.

ORIGINAL: yates90

air to air uses a lot more mass flow when the water lines. on top of that, each heat exchanger has an efectiveness coefficent that is maybe only 60-75% on each.

Did any of you see the Nov issue of 5.0? There is an article about an intercooled procharger. It made 321rwhp and 306.4rwtq.

GJP05 go back one page back to page 3 check the fifth post down:).

Saw your post now but your torque number is off. The number you posted was the torque made at the same rpm as the peak HP. The number I posted for torque was peak at 4800rpm. Also the article said that it was an intercooled S/C.

ORIGINAL: GJP05

Did any of you see the Nov issue of 5.0? There is an article about an intercooled procharger. It made 321rwhp and 306.4rwtq.


I finally found a stage II kit from a private seller.. will have it shipped in the next week or two! Can't wait.

What did the kit include? What other supporting mods will you have done?

No, but I thought the Procharger was making 320HP or so without an intercooler.

Plus, the kit I'm talking about (first post) is making an easy 310 without an intercooler. They're estimating 40-75 more ponies with the intercooler.

ORIGINAL: GJP05

Did any of you see the Nov issue of 5.0? There is an article about an intercooled procharger. It made 321rwhp and 306.4rwtq.

The article said that if you add a good tune and better exhaust then the numbers should increase dramatically.

ORIGINAL: GJP05

What did the kit include? What other supporting mods will you have done?


The kit is the stage II intercooled ProCharger running 9 PSI of boost.. This was an earlier kit through a performance company (straight from ProCharger) and comes with an SCT Tuner, 39lb injectors in addition to the entire kit.

O/T - I called my dealership to see how much he would charge for the parts + install.. he told me to get a Vortech (as if they made one for the 4.0L v6) and that it would be $4500 (not sure where he came up with that figure on an imaginery kit?) and $1600 for the labor. F___ that, I'm paying $3000 for the kit + install... I'll "wing" the warranty I guess.

anybody know if this is still around? cant find the v-6

A Naturaly Aspirated GT can get around 400rwhp with all bolt ons cams and head work. What is a supercharged V6 getting to the wheels?

Got some Dyno sheets on that?
CAI/Tune is good for less than 40hp.
Cams are a joke still (30hp for $2000, ouch!). Nothing great on the market yet, 4 years later...
Don't know about head work, since the cams wouldn't do justice to them.
Headers aren't giving you much, since the factory manifolds flow pretty good.

I'm not saying you're full of it, so don't get offended.
I just find it hard to believe, from 270 rwhp to 400 with the bolt ons.

Isn't a member here, that pushed his sixer in the low 12s with bolt ons?

No, but I thought the Procharger was making 320HP or so without an intercooler.

Plus, the kit I'm talking about (first post) is making an easy 310 without an intercooler. They're estimating 40-75 more ponies with the intercooler.

AHAHAH I don't think so an intercooler will not get you close to 75 more ponies.

This thread is like 3 years old hahaha. It's kinda funny!!!

ya thanks for the revival reverend! I didn't know flapjack was banned from here! crazy.

Damn, I didn't even realize that...
Freaking noobs!!

Damn, I didn't even realize that...
Freaking noobs!!

Those 'Freakin Noobs' Gotcha Pascal. :D
Mullet Boy strikes again....

dashworks.net?????


V6 mustang supercgharger on ebay??


I did not find any supercharger info with either one of these????

is there another??

dude this thread is over 3 yrs. old of course you're not gonna find anything lol.

LOL now thats funny

Those 'Freakin Noobs' Gotcha Pascal. :D
Mullet Boy strikes again....

When you're on the top, you can only go down right?
I guess you wouldn't know...

Lol, when were the previous strikes?

BTW, did you figure out how to wire up a rear view mirror yet?

When you're on the top, you can only go down right?
I guess you wouldn't know...

Lol, when were the previous strikes?

BTW, did you figure out how to wire up a rear view mirror yet?
Wouldnt know seeing how I am a low life V6er. Hmmm....
No rearview yet. In shop for a rear end fixer upper.
Got a Hertz GT-H for a rental. :D

Got a Hertz GT-H for a rental. :D

Now you're p#ssing me off!