Out of the factory it seems that the Corvette's are still beating Cobra's. I have to admit its the power to weight ratio that is killing them. Well I have a feeling that in 2005 things will turn for the better in favor of Ford.

The base GT boasts 300hp while in competition Ford has their 500hp GT supercar and the Shelby Cobra Concept which will even further kick the socks off a Generation 4 LS2.  This will be the true comparison to the Corvette just like in the good old days when Carrol Shelby built that fine machine.

The Cobra Concept has 6.4L V-10 with 605hp with 501ft.-lbs of torque. All this to 7500rpm. And it only weighs 3000lbs. If you ask me the days of the Corvette are coming to an end.

Out of the factory it seems that the Corvette's are still beating Cobra's. I have to admit its the power to weight ratio that is killing them. Well I have a feeling that in 2005 things will turn for the better in favor of Ford.

The base GT boasts 300hp while in competition Ford has their 500hp GT supercar and the Shelby Cobra Concept which will even further kick the socks off a Generation 4 LS2.  This will be the true comparison to the Corvette just like in the good old days when Carrol Shelby built that fine machine.

The Cobra Concept has 6.4L V-10 with 605hp with 501ft.-lbs of torque. All this to 7500rpm. And it only weighs 3000lbs. If you ask me the days of the Corvette are coming to an end.

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First of all, the new Z06 should be able to outrun a GT (in the straights) if in fact they do put 500hp in it.  Why?  Well the current base model Corvettes (C5's) weigh less than the new GT.  Then there's talk of a super vette known as "blue devil".  This car is suspected to have 625hp and shedded weight, as will the Z06.  The current C6 curb weight is slightly over 3100 lbs, which is what the current Z06 has.  Do I speak of concepts, yes I do?  The Shelby you speak of is also a concept.  There are no plans for production yet for any of the aforementioned cars.

Laying all of that aside, what really made me respond to your post was your last sentence.  I don't believe you could be any more far from the truth.  There are cars that currently outperform a Corvette (a.k.a. Viper).  Has this stunted the production or sales?  I think not.  In fact, they sell more these days.  Why?  The Vette has survived 50 years as America's Sports Car.  To buy a car that's comparable in all around performance, you have to spend twice as much.  People buy the Vette because it has tradition, a name, class, and the performance capabilities of exotics.  So why is one lowly car from Ford going to end the Vette? 

i know those would be insane machines, but gm is being huge pussies...i cant see it happening, but thats not saying it wont...just that their previous behaviors have made me wonder about their performance car plans

i know those would be insane machines, but gm is being huge pussies...i cant see it happening, but thats not saying it wont...just that their previous behaviors have made me wonder about their performance car plans

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In what respect are they being female's anatomy?  There are definite plans for a 500hp Z06.  The one I am more skeptical of when GM mentions it is the blue devil.  What in the past has made you wonder about their performance car plans?  Seems to me they have always had an edge.  Ford, until recently, was the one who had nothing to show for.

f-body...if they had balls they'da reinvented it when sales dropped, but they pussed out and withdrew to change it or even worse leave it at rest.  ford always had something to show for since the early 90's...cobra r's, cobras in general, and now the 03+cobras are just a big snake bite in gm's ass

and oh yeah...lightnings and the GT

and whats up with them trying to get in on sport compacts with the cavalier?  if thats where their focus is then they need to change it quick IMO

f-body...if they had balls they'da reinvented it when sales dropped, but they pussed out and withdrew to change it or even worse leave it at rest.  ford always had something to show for since the early 90's...cobra r's, cobras in general, and now the 03+cobras are just a big snake bite in gm's ass

and oh yeah...lightnings and the GT

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Lightning and GT=recent

Stock Cobra's from early 90's and most all Mustang's from early 90's weren't enough to keep up with the SS Camaro.  It wasn't until the late 90's that Ford decided to scale up.

I am really glad that Ford is now producing a factory race car (GT).  I for a long time have wanted to see Ford to produce a sports car and the GT was an excellent choice.  To me, I would rather have a GT than a Ferrari, Lambo, ect.  I just love the way it looks and performs.  I would agree that GM should've kept the Camaro and T/A around, but they will be back.  It's the age old marketing ploy.  Make a car look like it's going extinct, then in a few years bring it back with a bang, to really boost sales and image.   

[QUOTE=Jugador]lightning started in 93, that's not recent to me[/QUOTE]

You are correct, but we were talking about Performance Vehicles, not trucks with 240hp.  My old 97 F150 V6 had 205 stock, and it was pretty slow.  I assumed you were referring to the 99+ lightnings.  Point being Ford didn't have any real performers to match other competitors in the 90's.  I think it's in part due to the old CEO, the foreign guy who got fired after the Firestone issue.  It's good to see they are changing that with the new CEO.  As far as the new Cavalier is concerned, that's not worth discussing as it does not replace GM's performance vehicle line.  It is simply marketed to the ricer market as is the SVT Focus.  Both are crap IMHO.

[QUOTE=Jugador]lightning started in 93, that's not recent to me[/QUOTE]

You are correct, but we were talking about Performance Vehicles, not trucks with 240hp.  My old 97 F150 V6 had 205 stock, and it was pretty slow.  I assumed you were referring to the 99+ lightnings.  Point being Ford didn't have any real performers to match other competitors in the 90's.  I think it's in part due to the old CEO, the foreign guy who got fired after the Firestone issue.  It's good to see they are changing that with the new CEO.  As far as the new Cavalier is concerned, that's not worth discussing as it does not replace GM's performance vehicle line.  It is simply marketed to the ricer market as is the SVT Focus.  Both are crap IMHO.

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Well for one, the 93 Lightning ran 0-60s of 7.5 seconds, which was fast for it's day. It is a performance vehicle, however by todays standards, it is not. Ford in fact had performers. There was no SS model in the early 90s when the Z28 5.0 and Foxbody 5.0 were battling it out, they were both on equal footing. This all changed when Chevy stepped up in 93 with the 275 hp LT1 and started to spank 5.0's. In 96 when the 4.6L GT motor came out the LT1 was still beating them.

As far as the new Cavalier is concerned with my part, it's dead. They are halting production and bringing a new line out. Thank God. The Cobalt will replace the Cavalier in Chevrolet's line up within the next year I believe. It was almost never a true performer, from the 2.8L V6 with 20 less hp than my 1.6L I4, to the 2.2 Ecotec STILL with 20 less hp, it was complete and utter crap.

Hell I never lost to a Cavalier in my Escort, with less power (and less weight to boot)

Ford is finally stepping up with it's Mustang. It's a great nameplate and in the early 90s it almost died. Now it's alive and healthier than ever, FINALLY the GT has 300 hp, something Chevy has had in the Z28 since 1998! I might actually consider a new GT in a few years unless Chevy comes out with a non-fugly Fbody like I've been seeing in the "concept drawing" stages.

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The front I love, the rear would give me second thoughts.

[QUOTE=O1stang]Please note that I am not saying that the Corvette will become a shadow, I am simply saying that in 05 it looks like Ford will have an edge over Chevy.[/QUOTE]

Just out of curiousity, how so? 400 hp and 3100 pound base Corvettes are a force to be reckoned with.

Doneteventry....your comment about the shelby is wrong,that car will go on sail within the next 2 years.Shelby getting old and he wants to go out with a bang and the new cobra is it.As for your little vettes coming out with this model and that model,there only doning it to TRY and outdo fords new cars.Now that gm has started to bring it dont think for wont have something waiting for gm's ass.As for the new mustang cobras,ford it self has said NO MORE will the cobra be compared with the camaro,the cobra is after the vette and the 2003 svt cobra is just a hint of things to come.

As for the new vette beating the new cobra..look at the price difference my god with just 2k if that in mods it will out run the vette.

[QUOTE=mach368]As for the new vette beating the new cobra..look at the price difference my god with just 2k if that in mods it will out run the vette.[/QUOTE]

The 03-04 SC DOHC 4.6 responds very, very well to mods.

With this setup

vp 103 octane unleded gas - s & b 12 inch air filter - magnaflow 2.25 inch mufflers - matco 8lb lower pulley - kenne bell booster pump - kenne bell cold air intake - bassani midlength headers - ignition solutions plasma booster - ford recal chip - kenne bell supercharger - kenne bell throttle body - dr. gas x-pipes -   

your looking at about 550hp 550 lb feet of torque. Now getting all this to hook up is dependent on the man behind the whell.

Doneteventry....your comment about the shelby is wrong,that car will go on sail within the next 2 years.Shelby getting old and he wants to go out with a bang and the new cobra is it.As for your little vettes coming out with this model and that model,there only doning it to TRY and outdo fords new cars.Now that gm has started to bring it dont think for wont have something waiting for gm's ass.As for the new mustang cobras,ford it self has said NO MORE will the cobra be compared with the camaro,the cobra is after the vette and the 2003 svt cobra is just a hint of things to come.

As for the new vette beating the new cobra..look at the price difference my god with just 2k if that in mods it will out run the vette.

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Where can you substanitiate your claim about actual production?  Ford only refers to it as a possibility on their website.  Secondly, the Stang Cobra will bever be as good as a Vette in all around performance.  It is not setup to be an all around performer, not to mention the new ones look like crap.  Us Vette owners could give a crap less about your price argument.  Every Vette owner can afford a Mustang, but not every Mustang owner can afford a Vette.  Any car can be modded to be faster.  There are plenty of 700hp+ LPE Vettes around that will smoke just about anything that tries them.  Who cares about that though?  We don't just buy Vettes for high speed, but for the nostalgia, the look, and the excitement.  I laso love how you state Ford is handing GM it's ass.  Well last time I checked, Ford didn't have a production sports car that was as good as GM's.  They are producing the lovely GT this year, which will be better, but it won't reign for long, when GM produces the "Blue Devil" Vette with 625 hp.  Al in all, Vettes are, and always will be, much more exotic than your Rustang.  You really sound like a Honda owner.