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GM stopped making muscle cars for the general public. Now it seems as if they are marketing for the rich. Look, Ford makes cars for the general public and some for the average car enthusiastic. All the way from the base model to the Cobra. With that in mind, performance is not their only main concern. For God sakes the Mustang has a back seat and a real trunk. In contrast, GM or Chevrolet has one goal in mind for the Corvette and that is strictly performance. So for a car that starts off as a base model (The Mustang), is quite an accomplishment to come close in specs to a highly priced performance vehicle.
Of course for the people with money, nostalgia is the name of the game. I was crusing around today and saw this really hot MILF in an 01 Vette. Damn she was hot. Anyway she came speeding up to me so I revved it, gave her a wink and she backed down. Damn bitches with money never race, and if I was her husband, I would yank that car away from her faster than she could say blow job
And damit, don't quote me (doneteventry) as my English may not be up to your specifications.
There are millions of f-body's out there. With any luck, there will be new ones soon. As far as price goes, I bought my '95 TA for $5700, and stock for stock, the '03 Mustang has about the same specs with a great driver. The base model Mustang comes no where close to matching the Vette's numbers, I have no idea where you got that from. The Vette is not competing with the Mustang, there's not any competition. The new Vette is going for the Viper and the new GT, along with the exotics. The f-body is the competition for the Mustang. Which, up until the recent top of the line S/C'ed Cobra, there was no competition.
[QUOTE=O1stang] My Mustang owns the car world and all who worship in it. I do not need to learn about other cars b/c my Mustang owns it. You're just jealous b/c your car is far less superior to my mighty peice of man meat. MUSTANG RULES DAWG!!!![/QUOTE]
You should really learn about other cars...that way you don't seem anywhere near as ignorant.
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GM stopped making muscle cars for the general public. Now it seems as if they are marketing for the rich. Look, Ford makes cars for the general public and some for the average car enthusiastic. All the way from the base model to the Cobra. With that in mind, performance is not their only main concern. For God sakes the Mustang has a back seat and a real trunk. In contrast, GM or Chevrolet has one goal in mind for the Corvette and that is strictly performance. So for a car that starts off as a base model (The Mustang), is quite an accomplishment to come close in specs to a highly priced performance vehicle.
Of course for the people with money, nostalgia is the name of the game. I was crusing around today and saw this really hot MILF in an 01 Vette. Damn she was hot. Anyway she came speeding up to me so I revved it, gave her a wink and she backed down. Damn bitches with money never race, and if I was her husband, I would yank that car away from her faster than she could say blow job
And damit, don't quote me (doneteventry) as my English may not be up to your specifications.
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Actually, your post wasn't all too bad , grammatically that is.
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I have to admit that I do love the new C6 but whats up with the transmission being part of the rear axle assembly? Other than it balances the weight ratio more evenly. It looks like they run CV joints straight out of the trans. and don't even mess with a differential. Pretty smart.
95LT1, you don't understand how much I do know about cars, especially the physics involved. I am a grad student in Mech. Engineering by the way.
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[QUOTE=O1stang]
I have to admit that I do love the new C6 but whats up with the transmission being part of the rear axle assembly? Other than it balances the weight ratio more evenly. It looks like they run CV joints straight out of the trans. and don't even mess with a differential. Pretty smart.
95LT1, you don't understand how much I do know about cars, especially the physics involved. I am a grad student in Mech. Engineering by the way.
Dont, thanks for the english check
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The Vette had a rear mounted transmission in the C5 as well...I'm not sure about the C4. That's the whole reason why they do it, better weight distribution.
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I have to admit that I do love the new C6 but whats up with the transmission being part of the rear axle assembly? Other than it balances the weight ratio more evenly. It looks like they run CV joints straight out of the trans. and don't even mess with a differential. Pretty smart.
95LT1, you don't understand how much I do know about cars, especially the physics involved. I am a grad student in Mech. Engineering by the way.
Dont, thanks for the english check
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The Vette had a rear mounted transmission in the C5 as well...I'm not sure about the C4. That's the whole reason why they do it, better weight distribution.
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Very correct about the C5. The C5 was the first model Corvette with a rear mounted tranny, hence the C4's had a the usual setup. It was purely for weight distribution, which enhances the handling. I believe there is a 51/49 relationship regarding the distribution in a C5, which is pretty dang good. The C6 still uses the same basic model of the C5. The C5 was an engineering masterpiece. It's design was evolutionary, where the C6 is revolutionary. The C5 was the first Corvette to have a complete redesign from the ground up. Previous Vettes were designed and built off of older generations, with the latest and greatest technology at that time. This is the same scenario with the C6. They were designed from the C5 platform, and actually still use the same frame, with more rigidity. All in all, I think the C5 will go down in history as one of the greatest Vettes, and one of the greatest cars, to come out of the good ol' USA.
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Ownt3dbyyou.....When i said for has the edge in performance i was not talking about cobra over vette i was refering to the ford gt over the vette.
Also please dont get into that this vette is coming out and this vette is coming out cause i dont care.
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Obviously you do care. Otherwise, you would have called this thread quits long ago. Truth is, Ford has an edge over GM right now with respect to one, I repeat, one car (wow, that's really going to hurt GM's bottom line). Truth also is that Chevy will be producing a Z06 Vette that should outrun the GT, which is heavier than my C5. I won't even discuss the supervette. It seems you did a flip flop in your comparison somwhere with the Cobra to the GT. You originally stated this, and I quote; "As for the new mustang cobras,ford it self has said NO MORE will the cobra be compared with the camaro,the cobra is after the vette and the 2003 svt cobra is just a hint of things to come." It seems you were comparing Vettes to Cobras my friend.
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donteventry...when i said i didnt care it was because i dont care to get into another dam discussion about the vettes me and you have both talked it to death.As for me flip flopping about things i was talking about alot of things such as the shelby cobra the cobra and the ford gt and as you said in your own post when you quoted me i was in that comparing the vette and cobra but own3dbyyou was wondering how i thought the cobra had the edge in performance.I told him i was refering to the ford gt when i said ford had the edge.
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Ownt3dbyyou.....When i said for has the edge in performance i was not talking about cobra over vette i was refering to the ford gt over the vette.
Also please dont get into that this vette is coming out and this vette is coming out cause i dont care.
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Wait...you're telling me to NOT talk about the vettes that are coming out, but you're talking about the Ford GT which, if I'm not mistaken, isn't even out either? What kind of sense does that make? If I can't compare two things that aren't out either, why should you?
I won't compare cars that are coming out, I'll compare what has already been out.
03 Z06 1/4 mile: 12.6
03 Cobra 1/4 mile: 12.8
02 Z28 1/4 mile: 13.7
03 GT 1/4 mile: 14.0
02 3800 V6 Camaro 1/4 mile: 15.2
03 3800 V6 Mustang 1/4 mile: 15.5
Since Ford has the edge over GM, why are all the Mustangs slower than the 03 Corvettes and 02 Camaros? Whats that? You don't know? *gavel crash* Case Closed.
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donteventry....you make a remark about wow ford only has one car well what else does chevy have right now but the dam vette?If there is a car im forgeting please tell me if there is.
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He said GM, not just Chevy. GM also has Pontiac which is producing a supercharged Grand Prix GTP, a V8 Bonneville GXP, and the 350 V8 GTO. Chevy has the supercharged Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS and Corvette C6, in 06 it'll have the Z06 model. All of the V8 cars are capable of mid 13s from the factory, while the supercharged V6s are worthy of low 15s and maybe high 14s.
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own3dbyyou.....Please the ford gt is all but finished its already been road tested compared and anything else you can name in magizines and the only thing left is its top speed.All the mustangs are slower than the 2002 camaros have you forgotten the mach1 cause it blows your dam little 13.7 away they run low 13's so bite me.The vette beats the cobra by 0.2 wow thats pretty close.
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The monte carlo and the impala are the same dam car and the monte is a piece of crap.So putting an ss on makes it special wow must stand for Super Shi**y.His remarks were about ford and chevy cause if he was refering to ford as a whole then we are talking about aston martin and others.The comment i made about them only having chevy or even gm only having the vette is like he said about the ford gt its the only car gm has that really sets a performance standard.
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donteventry....you make a remark about wow ford only has one car well what else does chevy have right now but the dam vette?If there is a car im forgeting please tell me if there is.
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Damn Vette aye? Your jealousy shows. In my comments, I was referring to the fact that one mere car is not going to really hurt GM as you seem to think it will. After all, Ford needs to hold the crown every once in a while. It's been almost 30 years since they've had a true performance car. I don't believe I ever disputed the awesomeness of the GT. As far as Chevy cars go, the Impala SS is quite a nasty ride that Chevy produces. The Camaro was awesome as well. It's ashame the General scrapped it, but mark my words; It will be back. Want another Gm car? What about the Cadillac XLR? What about the Vauxhall VX220? What about the Pontiac GTO? I could go on and on, but I'm sure you would call them all crappy cars, as you seem to be the expert on all makes and models of cars. You seem to be too brand loyal, and have been brainwashed into believing Ford makes the best of everything. It's simply not the case.
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Donteventry....I will gladly admit im brand loyal but i in no way have made the remark that fords makes the best.the gto has a nice power plant i admit,but i do believe the car is self does not look good at all.Again that comment was refering to chevy only as i assume yours about the gt was about ford only.Come now dont tell me you really believe i think for makes the best everything.I hope it was just a little comment you said trying to be cocky.