Doneteventry....your comment about the shelby is wrong,that car will go on sail within the next 2 years.Shelby getting old and he wants to go out with a bang and the new cobra is it.As for your little vettes coming out with this model and that model,there only doning it to TRY and outdo fords new cars.Now that gm has started to bring it dont think for wont have something waiting for gm's ass.As for the new mustang cobras,ford it self has said NO MORE will the cobra be compared with the camaro,the cobra is after the vette and the 2003 svt cobra is just a hint of things to come.

As for the new vette beating the new cobra..look at the price difference my god with just 2k if that in mods it will out run the vette.

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Where can you substanitiate your claim about actual production?  Ford only refers to it as a possibility on their website.  Secondly, the Stang Cobra will bever be as good as a Vette in all around performance.  It is not setup to be an all around performer, not to mention the new ones look like crap.  Us Vette owners could give a crap less about your price argument.  Every Vette owner can afford a Mustang, but not every Mustang owner can afford a Vette.  Any car can be modded to be faster.  There are plenty of 700hp+ LPE Vettes around that will smoke just about anything that tries them.  Who cares about that though?  We don't just buy Vettes for high speed, but for the nostalgia, the look, and the excitement.  I laso love how you state Ford is handing GM it's ass.  Well last time I checked, Ford didn't have a production sports car that was as good as GM's.  They are producing the lovely GT this year, which will be better, but it won't reign for long, when GM produces the "Blue Devil" Vette with 625 hp.  Al in all, Vettes are, and always will be, much more exotic than your Rustang.  You really sound like a Honda owner. 

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I take offense to that last sentence being that I AM a Honda owner, and I do enjoy my car for it's all around all-season performance & safety, cheap insurance, with great gas mileage to boot. Furthermore, I agree with 99.9% of this post... I guess that makes me your not-so-typical Honda owner, huh?

donteventry...I work at fords norfolk plant and on our comuters we have all ther latest and up to minute info you cant find online.Now lets lets set one thing straight most guys who own a vette dont know s**t about cars,im not saying anyone who has a vette knows nothing about cars but the majority of owners are rich and like the look of the car.As for the cobra not being an all around performer...is that your way of working around the fact it will tear the s**t out your vettes on the drag strip,even your SO SCARY blue devil vette.Oh and i sound like a honda owner?Im not even sure you have a vette maby your just a little boy defending his dream car.And i never said for handed gm there ass,i said ford will something waiting for them.Oh and i noticed you didnt touch my comment about the 2003 cobra so dont tell me ford has nothing that can COMPARE to gms sportscars.Oh and if we are talking about gm's full comany line just look at fords austin martins and other such cars.So dont mouth of to me about the great general motors.

I see you're not the best at grammar with all of your sentences starting with "oh".  I didn't touch on the 03' Cobra because it's been debated way too much and there's no convincing a Cobra owner (which you aren't) that they just don't perform as well as a Vette.  Look at stock 1/4 times and lateral acceleration.  This is not even mentioning the Z06.  While I never touched on the Cobra, you never touched on my Ligenfelter comment.  I would love to see a Mustang tear the s**t out of one of those.  Why be delusional and believe that there isn't a faster car out there?  I know there are plenty of cars faster than my Vette.  Yes, I do have a C5 Vette.  It's a 2000 Pewter C5, with some mods.   If you would read all of my past posts you would know I have a Vette. Ask Own3ByYou.  I emailed him pics because he seemed interested, although I never heard anything out of the guy after that. Also, how can I be sure you work at Ford?  You can't even spell Aston Martin correctly.  Where was I mentioning GM's full line?  I was discussing only one car, which you brought up.  Aston Martin, however, is not a Ford.  They are simply a subsidiary of Ford.  They are manufactured and designed in England.  As far as your supposed inside iformation, I would seriously doubt that Ford would make that available to a production worker.  Posting comments like you did without any proof shows your lack of intelligence and makes you look like a ricer.  You should have more dignity than that. 

eh sorry about that Dont...haha I was too busy marveling over the pictures and then got busy this past week.

All I have to say is yes, Dont has a Vette. A very nice vette at that.

The only thing Ford has to compare to the BASE C5 vette is the 03 Cobra and the 03 Cobra still can't out slalom or skippad the C5, not to mention the Vette (having 40 less hp) is on par with the Cobra's acceleration numbers with a GOOD driver behind the wheel. I have to agree with Donts comments on how such a "superior sports car" as the 03 Cobra can be associated with it's V6 counterparts in name and recognition while the Corvette has nothing but all around performance with a big bad V8 under the hood.

eh sorry about that Dont...haha I was too busy marveling over the pictures and then got busy this past week.

All I have to say is yes, Dont has a Vette. A very nice vette at that.

The only thing Ford has to compare to the BASE C5 vette is the 03 Cobra and the 03 Cobra still can't out slalom or skippad the C5, not to mention the Vette (having 40 less hp) is on par with the Cobra's acceleration numbers with a GOOD driver behind the wheel. I have to agree with Donts comments on how such a "superior sports car" as the 03 Cobra can be associated with it's V6 counterparts in name and recognition while the Corvette has nothing but all around performance with a big bad V8 under the hood.

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No problem, I completely understand the busy part.  I usually work about 50-60 hours a week, which sucks because I am salaried.  The only benefit for me working extra hard is my commissions.  Thanks for the compliments Own3.  You'll have your Vette or Cobra one of these days.  By the way, Honda's are good cars for every day driving.  I was referring more to the ones with spoilers and NOS stickers that like to race.  Nothing aimed at you in particular.

[QUOTE=95LT1]Although, it was hard to make all that out, I believe I have deciphered it. The Ford GT 500, 40, whatever it is, is not the end all be all to sports cars. Its supercharged engine produces a whopping 500hp.....it weighs 3390lbs. The next ZO6 should outrun it for $80,000 less. How does GM not have anything for it? Let's get into the "if's" of the situation. If GM produces the "blue devil" it will have 125 more hp and be much lighter than the GT500. If GM would ever supercharge a Vette.....what would that leave Ford to do? Maybe they'll start running jet engines then.[/QUOTE]

Well said 95LT1. 

[QUOTE=mach368]Talking about my grammer well i didnt know i was talking to an english teacher so forgive me.As for aston martin,ford owns that company so it part of ford weather you like it or not.I dont work on the line im a inspector and i work along side the supervisors.Why would ford need to hind anything,just because you dont know about things going on in the auto buisness does not mean gm and other companys are not aware of what ford is doing.Your problem is if it isnt posted somewhere than you just dont know.As for ligen felter cars saleen has soom awesome hp beasts that are mustangs.Im aware that there are faster cars,like the FORD GT and gm has no vette that can touch it,gm is already planning on cars to beat or compete with the ford gt and the dam car isnt even finished yet and looks like your gm boys are already worried.As for me sounding like a ricer,please i own a mach 1 when its supercharged like its cobra counterpart it will blow away any stock vette.I love and live muscle cars so i dont mind having a debated conversation with you but dont call me a ricer,because i take that s**t personal.I hate ricers,and quit talking like you know something because by your comments i can tell you dont know s**t that you havent seen online or in a magizine.Bottom line fords has the edge right NOW,FORD GT and gm has nothing at the MOMMENT.Not to mentsion that ford gt is not even finished yet,and we dont need to say anything about trucks cause we know who whens that hands down.[/QUOTE]

Had you read my entire post, I stated that I knew Ford owned Aston Martin (hint the word subsidiary).  Second, why did you bring them up anyways?  Third, I never called you a ricer.  I said you were acting like one.  Two different things there cowboy.  Your Mach 1 is a nice car.  I actually prefer their look to the look of the Cobra.  If you supercharge, then yes, you should actually be able to beat a Cobra as well, as you are lighter, but I'm sure you already knew that.  Supercharging a car to beat a stock car though, is no real challenge.  Supercharge a Mach 1 and race a supercharged or even better, a twin turbo, Corvette.  We can sit here and discuss mods all day.  My C5 is not stock, yet it's not the fastest on the street.  The point was not to discuss or argue modded cars, but production cars.  I thought you would have picked up on that, as you work in a production facility.  With that being said, I have no idea what you do, but I assumed it was prodcution line worker, as your writing skills are not up to par.  There's nothing wrong with that, but people in supervisory positions, especially in large companies, are demanded to have excellent written and verbal skills.  Of course you never said you were a supervisor, but that you work with them.  I don't mean to sound sarcastic here, but every one in the world that is employed works with a supervisor.

As for all those "YOU KNOW NOTHING" comments :) that'd SOOOOOOOOO be me, anyways why is this such a touchy subject? How come we can't like both?

I own a 92 Mustang GT (slightly modded) but love camaro's  n vettes almost as much.  Yea, so what about competition.  That's all it is just a friendly game of who's faster or what not. No need to get all pissy about it.

donteventry...I did read your post and the way you put your comments about the aston martin was to say that it was mainly a foriegn car and that ford really had nothing to do with it other than owning the company.Now as for only talking about production cars i was,if you note my ending comments you will see.The truth is as of right now excluding future cars from both companys ford has the edge with the ford gt.As for my job as i said im an inspector i work along side the supervisors,by this i mean i report to them directly about 3 times a month,not to mention we all eat lunch together.

95lt1...I was in no way trying to say that the ford gt is the end of all sports cars and my comment was directed at (donteventry).As for your comments what will ford do?Fords new v-10s push well over 600hp and 400hp depending on model and both those numbers are without superchargers.So please dont ask what will ford do?because if you dont  know at  least have a clue,then you had best do some research before mouthing off.Just so you know the gt500 refers to a mustang and the gt-40 was the old race car name.A name to witch ford lost the right to so now its the fordgt.

95lt1...If you are refering to the bluedevil car than please there are no official plans for that car.The vette is going to be pushing 500hp so please keep your dreams to yourself.

Mach,

How did we even go from Cobra's to GT's anyways?  I never questioned the awesomeness of the GT.  I made my comments based off of yours regarding the Cobra.  If I had the money, I would have a GT in a heartbeat.  I think it is an amazing car.  As far as my knowledge of cars is concerned, it is, I would say, above average.  I don't however, claim to be an expert either.  The only area I claim expertise in is taxes, as that is what I do for a living.  I do have a passion for cars though.  I grew up building motors with my old man, but old motors and new motors are two different things.   I even grew up as a Ford man, and I still prefer their trucks to others.   I was also fortunate enough to have a dad that had a C3 Vette.  So I was a Ford man with a love for Corvettes.  Corvette will always be my choice, but I would love to someday have a GT as well as a Viper parked next to my Vettes.  My next purchase will most likely be a C6 or a C5 Z06 depending on my marital status.  Just know that I do like your Mach 1 more than a Cobra.  It looks much meaner.

95lt1...If you are refering to the bluedevil car than please there are no official plans for that car.The vette is going to be pushing 500hp so please keep your dreams to yourself.

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It's not much of a dream when Dave Hill, Corvette's Chief Designer, said publicly they are working on a SuperVette known to the team as "Blue Devil" that will rival most production cars.  This name was not made up by a couple of people on the internet.

[QUOTE=95LT1]There's even rumor that the XV16 will go into a Vette in the near future. The XV16 actually weighs less than the Vipers V-10. BTW, the XV16 produces more than 1000hp and 1000lb torque. It will probably own the world, but who knows.[/QUOTE]

For an MSRP of 200k, not to mention just how street worthy could that car possibly be?

Well i have to admit i really really doubt that it will ever happen but if it does it will be one hell of a car with a v-16.To end all this....... my argument was not really about the cobra vs vette although i do believe that the cobra has cought up to it.My main argument was that ford has the edge in performance as of right now and even though gms will have new and faster vettes that goes for all cars,there will be faster cobras and possibly faster ford gts and who know knows we may see a boss and shelby mustangs soon.

and 95lt1 if there is ever a production with 1000hp and tq believe me there wont be many.Im thinking less than 1000.

I don't see how Ford has the edge in performance when the base Corvette will handle just as well as the Cobra and is still just as decently fast with the same driver behind the wheel, not to mention the Z06...anyway...

I dunno. It's a matter of choice, lets just leave it at that.