It seems like there are a lot of posts lately about stang owners beating up on fwd, 4 cyl. crap. I don't care if I had a stock 87 gt with 225 hp, I wouldn't feel very good about beating, say, a Neon. I guarantee you that the rice guys that troll over here love to see posts about "gt's hanging with, or barely beating 4 cyl cars". They love to read it, because it makes them feel like their car is in the same class as a V8. Think of the guy with a modded Neon, who just dumped 8k into his ride and can now hang with stock gt's. He now thinks he is in the same class as the gt. It seems like those people use the stock mustang gt as a baseline or measure for a 'fast ride', and if they can beat one, they sleep a lot better knowing all the $ they dumped into their p.o.s. was worth it. All for a car that can 'hang' tough with a STOCK gt. V8 owners shouldn't get all warm anf fuzzy after beating a fwd 4 banger, that is the feeling reserved for beating a Vette.
I think he beat that rx8 (by a door handle or something) I can beat a mid 80's or older vette any day with my stang! HAHA! I don't bother with 4 cyl. cars unless they are being bitches, and I wouldn't bother posting it either.
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i hope that you guys, in your infinite knowledge do realize that some of the fwd 4 cylinder cars are actually fast...ive seen plenty of Evos and SRT4s with bolts on running in the 12s...(moreso the Evo)..
the biggest problem isnt so much those cars, but the driver...alot of them need to replace the "punkass 16yo girl mod" with the "good driver mod", which is why i see more evos running respectable times then SRT4s,,because less young kids are rolling around in 30+ evos than they are 19k SRT4s...
Yup, and you have David K. Representing your Saleens lol losing to RX8's
Dude that was the sadest day..... Id sell my car thats for sure!When i think of stangs I dont even think of anything out there being able to beat my Saleen and if it was a RX8 man I'd be ashamed
Sometimes these 4bangers act very cocky and they think they own the road, that is when you need to put them in their place. Yes, they are using the GT as a baseline but for how long? I mean for how long this car is going to last? I have seen older srt4 and they are in very bad shape, either their owners beat the hell out of them or the car is actually a piece of dirt. I do not look for a race but if the opportunity is there, why not?
i hope that you guys, in your infinite knowledge do realize that some of the fwd 4 cylinder cars are actually fast...ive seen plenty of Evos and SRT4s with bolts on running in the 12s...(moreso the Evo)..
the biggest problem isnt so much those cars, but the driver...alot of them need to replace the "punkass 16yo girl mod" with the "good driver mod", which is why i see more evos running respectable times then SRT4s,,because less young kids are rolling around in 30+ evos than they are 19k SRT4s...
I'd say the EVO's are typically faster b/c not because they're more expensive, but b/c they're not FWD.
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98LS1...as you may be able to tell, and I am into the whole dodge scene, and for the most part, alot of the SRT4 owners that i have met are people who are Daddy's little girl or boy, who wanted something fast, so they got daddy to agree on a neon...they read on the mopar webpage that stage 2 builds 280hp and 300tq, so they buy that, a short throw shifter and a nice loud BOV, combined with a blingy new set of wheels and a carbon fiber hood, and suddenly theyre john force...they go to the track and wonder why their car only runs 13.80s (slower than a stage 0 with a good driver) and they blame it on the temperature or the track conditions...young, inexperienced drivers (and alot of girls) buy them, and they know nothing about actually driving a performance car...so they ride around revving on 03+ cobras because, after all, a neon with a BOV and CF hood MUST be faster than a stock cobra..and they get wasted, and complain that they 'got sprayed'...or whatever their crappy excuse is...thus making a bad name for the rest of the SRT4 owners...as opposed to the evo, which along with the more useful AWD, has a 30g+ price tag, and mommy and daddy are a little hesitant to buy their little angel a 30k car over a 19k car.
most of the time, even though i have a mopar or dodge shirt on, driving a dodge product, i wont associate with the SRT4 owners because they act like any other ricer at the track...yet they "hate ricers"...but their SRT4 with a ton of cash dumped into it, with a body kit and rims, neon tubes and stereo upgrades, which run slower than stock...arent rice just because it has "domestic badging" on it??
I'm not a fan of the SRT-4's myself. But I don't think it matters how good of a driver you have in the car, the FWD is the main limiting factor. Those things can be mean from a roll though...
Luckily, I haven't ran into a cocky SRT-4 driver yet. Although, I'm looking forward to the day I do.
I consider SRT-4's, Evo's, WRX's, and even the Cobalt SS to all be in the same class.
Lately I haven't been able to get away from those little bastards in the SRT-4's. I had one the other night try to do a fly by, but he never caught up. When we got to the next light he told me he was stock, and then he proceeded to smoke the front tires from a 25 roll.
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the SRT4s are somewhat traction limited, but i have seen a good driver with DRs and a striped out car get into the 12s with the exhaust chopped and stage 1...
the cobalt is a joke....they renamed the cavalier to try to get away from its bitchy reputation...nice try...
i had a guy in an SRT4 with a base model neon body run me at the track last year, and before we ran, even though he had DRs on it, he asked me to go easy on him, stating that "he only had 4 cylinders"...
he ran an 11.90 @ 122mph...to my 12.6...i talked to him afterwards...he worked for a company that builds turbo units for aircrafts and tanks...and custom built his setup...i asked how it compared to the mopar stage 3....he just laughed and made a comment about how his setup woudl be like a mopar stage 10...that he was on a street tune..so on...i was still fairly impressed. but like i said...the normal SRT4 driver at my home track is struggling to get into the 13s...which is pathetic.
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98LS1...as you may be able to tell, and I am into the whole dodge scene, and for the most part, alot of the SRT4 owners that i have met are people who are Daddy's little girl or boy, who wanted something fast, so they got daddy to agree on a neon...they read on the mopar webpage that stage 2 builds 280hp and 300tq, so they buy that, a short throw shifter and a nice loud BOV, combined with a blingy new set of wheels and a carbon fiber hood, and suddenly theyre john force...they go to the track and wonder why their car only runs 13.80s (slower than a stage 0 with a good driver) and they blame it on the temperature or the track conditions...young, inexperienced drivers (and alot of girls) buy them, and they know nothing about actually driving a performance car...so they ride around revving on 03+ cobras because, after all, a neon with a BOV and CF hood MUST be faster than a stock cobra..and they get wasted, and complain that they 'got sprayed'...or whatever their crappy excuse is...thus making a bad name for the rest of the SRT4 owners...as opposed to the evo, which along with the more useful AWD, has a 30g+ price tag, and mommy and daddy are a little hesitant to buy their little angel a 30k car over a 19k car.
most of the time, even though i have a mopar or dodge shirt on, driving a dodge product, i wont associate with the SRT4 owners because they act like any other ricer at the track...yet they "hate ricers"...but their SRT4 with a ton of cash dumped into it, with a body kit and rims, neon tubes and stereo upgrades, which run slower than stock...arent rice just because it has "domestic badging" on it??
Saddly, I know who he's talking about. And shes exactly as he described.
RE: Why do V8 stang owners get so excited about beating... - 8/24/2005 11:16:27 PM
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Well, coming from the other end of the spectrum. Let me tell you how I see things, Birdieman.
There are a lot of posts around here about ignorant mustang owners thinking that because they beat some punk in a stock 4 cyl Neon or whatever the case maybe, they now own the road. Now they think they're in the same class as the LS1 Z28s, much less Corvettes, Vipers & even Ferarri's. Point in case; the video a few months back of the WS6 and 03 Cobra getting their asses handed to them by a Ferarri Enzo.
All these races that I'm reading off of here, IMO, are either made up or the truth is stretched to make the story fit the attitude of the person writing it. I just wonder how many times some people on here come home after running into a swapped and bolt on civic hatch and having their asses handed to them. I see MANY more V8's getting their asses handed to them ON VIDEO from Hondaswap and Honda-tech (when I used to go there) than death stories I see here. Something isn't adding up here to me...
My whole reasoning for wanting to do bolt ons and Supercharge my Civic is proven so elequently within the confines of your post, Birdieman.
You have 3? Saleens, so in essence YOU think that you own the road. Now I know that is a little bit presumptuous on my part, but it's the only logical answer I can come up with as to why you would post this topic. Every car nut wants to build a car, but not everybody wants to start out with a gas guzzling V8.
Yet nobody on this board can seem to come to the realization of this mere, yet important fact of life; We all have our opinions, we all have our preferences. People downplay my preference and opinion all the time. To steal the words from Adam Savage from MythBusters; "I reject your reality and subject my own."
Just because you think beating a four cylinder FWD vehicle isn't important you've now just downplayed the thousands, upon thousands of four cylinder FWD cars that could hand many people on this board their ass from a roll or from a dig. And you know why? Because serious tuners and car builders in the import field have the driving experience from autocrossing and legal road course racing. Yet from what I've seen on this board, that very experience is downplayed because the quarter mile is the only determining factor in why you bought your vehicle. Many people here don't understand the fact that not all cars are built solely for the 1320 track, so perhaps now you understand why I get a little confused when people come in here saying that (for example) the S2000 is a slow Japanese POS because it can't outrun a Cobra. It was never designed for that, hell using it's 2.0 and 2.2L Inline four powerplants it's as fast as a 99-04 GT, but it was still designed for so much more than straight line dragging. Yes I know, you'll come back and say how many street races do you hear of where people went carving corners on city streets? Well to tell you the truth none, but that is beside the point. Now we're going back to my autocross comment for the answer to that question.
ROTM: I understand you're not biased, and you're not a hater... so hopefully what I have to say here won't come off as offensive. All this mommy and daddy buying cars crap hit this board pretty hard recently with that ****ing fruit cake C6 guy... but to tell you the truth there has to be some pretty damn rich people in your town, because the only cars that parents around here are buying for their kids are beat up, 100k+ mileage, POS Dodge dynasty's and used SN95 V6 automatic Mustangs.
Just because you see a 17-20 something kid driving around in a nice 20k car, doesn't ALWAYS necessarily mean that the parents paid for it. I knew of 3 kids that had 25k cars they drove to school everyday which they bought and paid for themselves. Don't ask me how, but I do know their parents cosigned, which is nothing like what we're describing.
As for the kids who think they're the **** because they have a few mods. Who honestly cares what the idiot kid in the next lane is doing? IMO if the older, wiser person in the Mustang is being revved on by some 17 year old in a 20-30k sports car, it's up to the older person to be more mature and NOT EGG THIS PERSON ON. Considering all the talk about immaturity and inability to drive said sports car, I see quite a few people here saying "aww **** it" and road racing up to speeds that are 2-3 times the legal limit and then these people come in and tell stories about how they "roasted some loser kid who couldn't drive in his new car and now he's going to trade it in for a mustang" or some idiotic nonsense of that nature.
I guess my point here is, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Five or six months ago I was basically being egged on by some dumbass kid in an EX who wanted me to drag race with him down a 45 mph zone coming off the highway. Knowing that I had the upper hand with the more powerfull Si, I kept my cool and let him do his stupid thing through the cop infested highway. I chose not to take my chances on getting a ticket or killed because I for some reason felt I needed to prove my engine's worth to some punk who doesn't know the track from a public road. I chose not to give an obviously inexperienced and ill equipped driver and vehicle a chance to run on the street to prove absolutely nothing to anyone.
Damn... that turned into a friggen novel, didn't it?
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yawn. people post about beating these srt4 (neons) because they're pretty much on par with our GTs stock for stock. sorry if stock GTs can't run with bolt on LS1s like your saleens can.
I DONT GET EXCITED ABOUT BEATING ANYONE! I own a GT and usually just drive it back and forth to work. i live in cali were there are alot of 4 bangers that will just come up to you and hit the fart can and hope you race them. And usually i never even answer. I dont street race because its DANGEROUS..but on occasion i let the worst of me get the best of me and pretty much slam the gas to the floor and start banging gears and hope somehting doesnt blow..and usually i run over these guys. I truly believe I have a sleeper because i have beat more then a few z28. But its always in a short run and never past 80 mph. I but as far as a four bagger ..WHY BOTHER ? If i did run them and ended up losing then OW WELL! But for those who do choose to race EVERYTHING that comes there way..well good for you for beating up on a driver who has no clue, well even better.
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It seems like there are a lot of posts lately about stang owners beating up on fwd, 4 cyl. crap. I don't care if I had a stock 87 gt with 225 hp, I wouldn't feel very good about beating, say, a Neon. I guarantee you that the rice guys that troll over here love to see posts about "gt's hanging with, or barely beating 4 cyl cars". They love to read it, because it makes them feel like their car is in the same class as a V8. Think of the guy with a modded Neon, who just dumped 8k into his ride and can now hang with stock gt's. He now thinks he is in the same class as the gt. It seems like those people use the stock mustang gt as a baseline or measure for a 'fast ride', and if they can beat one, they sleep a lot better knowing all the $ they dumped into their p.o.s. was worth it. All for a car that can 'hang' tough with a STOCK gt. V8 owners shouldn't get all warm anf fuzzy after beating a fwd 4 banger, that is the feeling reserved for beating a Vette.
The SRT-4's aren't crap first of all. It's mainly the drivers. Those "crap" SRT-4's will take the new stock GT's, but not if they have a young crappy driver. But you are right, I hate the guys bragging about beating 4 cylinders too. It's kinda funny that they have to brag about beating 4 cylinders with their big V8's. It just makes me laugh.
I find it hilarious that the new GT's rival is the SRT-4...... ha ha
< Message edited by MidnightBlueNeon -- 8/25/2005 4:14:24 AM >
Maybe it's the same reason why most all the LS1 drivers on LS2.com always brag about beating a stock GT. It's not so much that they are getting excited about the fact that their car, making 90 HP more than the GT, tears them a new hole. Maybe it's more the fact that the idiot in the GT revved at them and maybe even thought they stood a chance against the almighty LS1. I'm sure the LS1 driver sees them as a nuisance and rips them a new one just because they can. I've never raced a 4 banger in my GT, but I'm sure that if one were to rev at me that I would oblige them. If I win, good. If I lose, oh well. But that's just my opinion.
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