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Suck! I will never own a black car again because of that. The only way to get it out is to bring it to a body shop that does high speed buffing. This takes a lot of skill and practice or you can burn threw the paint.
Here are some tips. Use a wash mitt instead of a sponge. If it hits the ground you got to wash it out. Just cuse you don't see anything on the mitt doesn't mean it ain't there. use a grit buster in you wash bucket. wash your wash mitt after every wash. don't use the same wash mitt for the rims as you do for the body. don't use the same water for the car that you used for the rims. use a high quality wax. i recommend Zayno or Zymol. Not the cheap Zymol either. These waxes are super expensive 40 to 60 dollars a bottle but do an excellent job. You use a back and forth motion as opposed to circular motion like you do with most waxes..
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The only way to truly avoid swirl marks is to never use the same sponge twice, technically you should use a cotton rag.
Everytime you would normally put your sponge in the bucket, you would instead grab a new rag (thus keeping the soapy water clean too).
Those high price wax products, unfortunately, are no better than your $5 a tube Meguiars! The guys over at www.thirdgen.org for 3rd Generation Camaro's saw all the hype over Zaino and like products so they decided to do some investigating. They actually found that Meguiars beads and disperses water better than all Carnuba Waxes available & they offer a 'polish' (step 2) that you can create layers with (whereas other waxes you cannot, they just remove itself when a fresh coat is applied).
I use the Meguiars 3 step (Cleaner, Polish, Wax) and it's freaking awesome. Not to mention all 3 bottles total $15 bucks.
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yeah use a good wax. i bought a wax called forumla 115 or 113. its for black vehicles. or you can do the cheap way and get a black wax. it will hide your swirl marks. alot of sidestreet dealers use them when they sell their vehicles
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Go to the 3M web site, they have a lot fo diffent things fo making cars look good. You can get a buffer and do it all yourself for less than what a shop would charge ya.
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Read from this, you'll probably learn a LOT more than you'd ever think. Also, hiding swirl marks is useless. They come back as soon as the polish is gone, which is usually pretty fast with those products
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[QUOTE=DW-03GT]Go to the 3M web site, they have a lot fo diffent things fo making cars look good. You can get a buffer and do it all yourself for less than what a shop would charge ya.[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't recommend trying to buff it out yourself unless you have some type of auto-body experience. as mentioned before, you can go straight through the clear on the car, or even the paint itself. instead of getting a different rag each time i go to dip it in the bucket, i just rinse if off with the water hose then dip it in a second bucket of just water...then go to the soap bucket.
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I've never seen a clay bar work for swirls. They are used to remove s**t from the paint, like dust particles that magically glue themself to the paint.
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Here's what you do. The most common way, and most unknown way, to get swirl marks is in the drying process. I'll get into waxes in a minute. For an incredibly shine from wash to dry - get Mother's Reflections car wash, and a microfiber towell to dry - (waxstation.com). The towell will never streak your car, and the wash is hands down the best. A helpful hint when washing your drying towells, NEVER use fabric softener, thats what causes the streaks regardless of microfiber or not. Use Mother's products all they way, no need to go fancy 3M or FinessitII or whatever, Mother's works great. Most people don't know the proper way to wax, and everybody listen up, here's what it is:
1st step - Clean the paint - use Mothers cleaner wax
2nd step - seal and glaze - Use Mothers sealer/glaze for a deep shine (2 coats)
3rd step - Finish the paint - Use Mothers carnuba finishing wax
You can also go and buy an orbital polisher to help out. No need to be careful, you can leave an orbital polisher on your car for two days and nothing will happen, it just doesnt turn at a high enough RPM. You need to wax the car 4 times a year, and clean the paint only once each january with the orbital, otherwise just use sealer and finishing by hand. If you wax the car well, you'll remove the swirls. In between waxes, wash the car regularily as needed, and every 4 times, sray on Mothers Showtime instant detailer to keep paint looking fresh and keep wax on paint, then wipe off with microfiber towells. Let me tell you that microfiber towells do wonders compared to the regular thing: one usually will dry the whole car, but you can buy two to have enough. You will really be impressed if you wax your car the right way.
I've never seen a clay bar work for swirls. They are used to remove s**t from the paint, like dust particles that magically glue themself to the paint.
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Hey Dan, can you use clay bars to remover overspray???? (clear coat over spray)
and what can you use on your wheels? (chrome) to get the s**t off?
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I'd use the clay bar to remove build up on wheels...sure.
I can't imagine a clay bar cleaning up the over spray too well. If you have a friend who can wet sand, let them buff it out real quick..buffing that out would only take a matter of minutes.
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I use simple green for about anything.
That stuff is awesome for cleaning wheels when you can't scrub them...it cleans up brake dust caked on the inside of my wheels really well too..
I took the bucket seats of out my Iroc-z & soaked them with simple green and took a garden hose to the seats and they looked brand new when they dried...LOL
I hung the seats from my garage door and sprayed them for a good 20 minutes...should of seen the look on my neighbors faces.