You can now shut up. I ran 13.2@104 with my manual. All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto. And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver. I'm a 17 year old kid who is a rookie at the track.

A rookie at the track and a rookie with performance it looks like too. This should turn out to be a fun thread to watch ........LOL
Unfortunately, there are many other factors when trying to compare ET's.....such as altitude, humidity, track conditions, traction, and ambient air temperature. Hate to say it KID, but the guys with autos are gonna blast you for posting this.

ORIGINAL: nitrojunkee

A rookie at the track and a rookie with performance it looks like too. This should turn out to be a fun thread to watch ........LOL
Unfortunately, there are many other factors when trying to compare ET's.....such as altitude, humidity, track conditions, traction, and ambient air temperature. Hate to say it KID, but the guys with autos are gonna blast you for posting this.


There isn't enough of a difference in conditions to explain that much of a difference in times. I started this thread to see what the auto guys have to say about that. All I've heard is how "all you need is a tune with the auto and it's faster than the manual" and thats a lie. They had me convinced about the autos until yesterday. No more bs about the transmissions. It's called powershifting.

Who cares, I never go to the track anyway.... Try driving a stick in DC traffic, you will be wishing you had an auto for sure. HAHA

For my own prefrence I prefer the manual on the track ..but that is for NA applications ..For turbo or blower it seems some folks have better success out of the autos ..Stick is still a blast to drive ..heh

ORIGINAL: doc0075579

Who cares, I never go to the track anyway.... Try driving a stick in DC traffic, you will be wishing you had an auto for sure. HAHA


Try driving in Houston traffic everyday. It's worth it.

ORIGINAL: Shifty

I ran 13.2@104 with my manual.


Sounds like you have strong running car there, shifty!! Congrats!! Very nice pass!

If you had an auto trans, you woulda been down in the 12's, though!! hehe

==And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver.==

I know one thing you'll never get accused of, being modest ;)

ORIGINAL: Tres Wright

==And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver.==

I know one thing you'll never get accused of, being modest ;)


No what I'm saying is that I suck at driving and still got that time. Thanks though. Maybe you should learn how to use the quote button.

Shifty, you are a bad, pot stirring person. Bad Shifty! No automatic transmission for you! ;)

Don, your reply was funny enough to get a belly laugh. Thanks.

Steve

ORIGINAL: Shifty

ORIGINAL: Tres Wright

==And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver.==

I know one thing you'll never get accused of, being modest ;)


Maybe you should learn how to use the quote button.


Tres always quotes like that. Whats it to you? You understood what he was trying to say.

God, wtf crawled up your anus? Seesh...

ORIGINAL: capin

Tres always quotes like that. Whats it to you? You understood what he was trying to say.

God, wtf crawled up your anus? Seesh...



The following says it all... [:@]

ORIGINAL: Shifty

I'm a 17 year old kid

Wonder if he paid for the vehicle himself??? Wish I could have had a Mustang GT at 16-17, haha. More power to ya, kid.

Got the car as a present but I have to pay for gas, insurance, and any maintanance costs. I bought my first car and it turned into a money pit so my dad felt bad about that and he got me this.

its a drivers race

My "30-mile-each-way-traffic-from-hell-in-both-directions-daily-commute" makes me glad to have my auto tranny. If I ever even get to make the speed limit I am a happy camper. I guess I would have the biggest right forearm and left calf in Charlotte if I had the manual tranny! Geez that's a lot of shifts every day.

ORIGINAL: Shifty

You can now shut up. I ran 13.2@104 with my manual. All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto. And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver. I'm a 17 year old kid who is a rookie at the track.



Finally!!! Now I can get some sleep at night. This great debate has caused me more sleepless nights than "The Big Bang Theory"[sm=happy046.gif]

Thanks Shifty

ORIGINAL: doc0075579
Try driving a stick in DC traffic, you will be wishing you had an auto for sure. HAHA Just so you know, real stick drivers don't care. It's the people who CAN drive stick but don't love it that always say "I drive in too much traffic for a manual". Trust me, myself and I'm sure a lot of other manual lovers just plain love it. Driving in very heavy traffic with a stick is work, no doubt about it. But just one nice run through a cool road on the weekend makes up for commuting hell during the week.

ORIGINAL: mustangman02232

Quote from Motor Trend November 2004:
"What would the manual tras GT be good for? Estimates of automatic to stick shift conversion factors vary, but the autos close 1-2-3 gearing keeps the engine boiling, so the differance may not be as much as you might think. Its safe to say the self-shifting GT is a sub 5 second runner, likely in the 4.8 or 4.9 second range" MT 11/04 p.44

so either you are just a better driver or your 13.2 is BS. If you had the auto you would probably be around 13 flat maybe even 12.9.


If I should be running 13 flat or 12.9, why aren't all the auto people running those numbers? The fastest auto off the top of my head that I've seen is only in the mid 13's and he had new gears! I mean, all I have is exhaust and a tune... I'll post the slip if you don't believe my time. I really don't care what motortrend has to say, this time speaks for itself. Bring me somone who has an auto with similar mods running faster than me, and we will talk.

ORIGINAL: greatgro


ORIGINAL: doc0075579
Try driving a stick in DC traffic, you will be wishing you had an auto for sure. HAHA Just so you know, real stick drivers don't care. It's the people who CAN drive stick but don't love it that always say "I drive in too much traffic for a manual". Trust me, myself and I'm sure a lot of other manual lovers just plain love it. Driving in very heavy traffic with a stick is work, no doubt about it. But just one nice run through a cool road on the weekend makes up for commuting hell during the week.



Couldnt have said it better myself![sm=exactly.gif]

I don't go to the track, maybe race around town a little bit, but my GT is not for commuting. So, for me, a manual tranny is just for the fun of driving. With a stick, I have the satisfaction of controlling the shifts, as opposed to something doing it for me.... they are all so great though!

ORIGINAL: greatgro


ORIGINAL: doc0075579
Just so you know, real stick drivers don't care. It's the people who CAN drive stick but don't love it that always say "I drive in too much traffic for a manual". Trust me, myself and I'm sure a lot of other manual lovers just plain love it. Driving in very heavy traffic with a stick is work, no doubt about it. But just one nice run through a cool road on the weekend makes up for commuting hell during the week.


I agree.. I love manuals. Now, I don't know how I would react to REAL heavy traffic (DC, Atlanta, St. Louis), but I do have a lot of stop and go and have to go through a check point (gov't facility) where I stop and go a bunch and I don't mind the shifting.. I just love a manual. In fact, right now I'm driving Nissan XT p/u 5 speed manual waiting on a GT manual. I can't wait to be reving and working it in traffic. ;) It's just my preference.

My best friend has ONLY driven manuals (and he's 42) until he got a Jag (he CAN shift but no clutch). He drives terrible, TERRIBLE traffic in St. Louis (64/40 for 30+ miles one-way) and still complains about missing his 6 speed manual Firebird he sold last year. He kept his wifes hand-me-down Grand Cherokee for rain and snow - it was just more practical and had far less mileage (he only drives the Jag when it's nice. Point is (finally! :) that it IS just the drivers preference and not the traffic that matters. Call me old school, but I just gotta have a stick in a sports car.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it. :)

I have a manual, but the auto is getting better. The GTO automatic beat the manual by .10 on the 1/4 mile, ouch that hurt.

Man Shifty, You sure know how to keep things lively. I like my manual no matter what time it takes to get from point A to B. I will agree that it runs just fine. I have never been what you would consider a race driver but after my Xcalibrator tune I was getting 2nd and 3rd gear scratches and that's impressive enough for me. Jim

flyingt,

not to go off topic here, but you have one BADA$$ car.....[sm=groupwave.gif]

sorry,

carry on...

This thread, unlike the other two current trannie threads is NOT about which is more fun or which we prefer but about 1/4 mile time comparisons. Just thought I would bring that up;)

It certainly is a comfort to know however that Shifty has once and for all settled which is faster. BTW, Shifty I am also in Houston and I bet my 5.7Hemi Ram (auto) could blow your GT away dude:D Wanna meet up and find out???

ORIGINAL: Shifty

All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto.

Are you looking for me? Leave it to a stick car to say my car ran two tenths slower and had a bunch of mods I don't have. Here I am. First of all, I ran a 13.41 at 103.39. Second I have stock exhaust. Third I have no other mods. Fourth I have a fully loaded Auto with the Shaker 1000 subs in the trunk. Fifth, I only had 1000 miles on the brand new motor. And Last but not least YOU HAD YOUR CAR DYNO TUNED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. My car has an out of the box tune running 3/4 tank of gas.

When I get too lazy to drive a stick, I'll buy a Camry

ORIGINAL: td1320


ORIGINAL: Shifty

All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto.

Are you looking for me? Leave it to a stick car to say my car ran two tenths slower and had a bunch of mods I don't have. Here I am. First of all, I ran a 13.41 at 103.39. Second I have stock exhaust. Third I have no other mods. Fourth I have a fully loaded Auto with the Shaker 1000 subs in the trunk. Fifth, I only had 1000 miles on the brand new motor. And Last but not least YOU HAD YOUR CAR DYNO TUNED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. My car has an out of the box tune running 3/4 tank of gas.



Maybe you shouldn't assume I'm talking about you then? Wow, take a hint.

ORIGINAL: macca

This thread, unlike the other two current trannie threads is NOT about which is more fun or which we prefer but about 1/4 mile time comparisons. Just thought I would bring that up;)

It certainly is a comfort to know however that Shifty has once and for all settled which is faster. BTW, Shifty I am also in Houston and I bet my 5.7Hemi Ram (auto) could blow your GT away dude:D Wanna meet up and find out???


I saw a hemi ram beat a SRT-10 ram at the track that night. No thanks. :D

ORIGINAL: Shifty

ORIGINAL: Tres Wright

==And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver.==

I know one thing you'll never get accused of, being modest ;)


No what I'm saying is that I suck at driving and still got that time. Thanks though. Maybe you should learn how to use the quote button.


There, now you'll have to find something else to whine about. Man, I sure hope I wasn't as bitter when I was 17. I seem to remember being respectful of others back then. Lose the attitude or you're going to be facing an up hill battle your whole life.

i love it when a kid with a few thousand miles under his belt car teach us 40 somethings how to drive.

and spell use grammar and confusers

==Tres always quotes like that. Whats it to you? You understood what he was trying to say. ==

Quite right, it's an old habit from moderating an R/C plane forum for years that didn't have the quote feature. Plus it's easier to grab snippets from multiple posts and reply to each one in a single message. It loses the originator's name, but most people recognize their own words just fine :)

Cant we all just get along ?...heh [sm=icon_beat.gif]

I think I can take him in my V6 auto...[sm=yeahsmile.gif]

ORIGINAL: Shifty

ORIGINAL: td1320


ORIGINAL: Shifty

All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto.

Are you looking for me? Leave it to a stick car to say my car ran two tenths slower and had a bunch of mods I don't have. Here I am. First of all, I ran a 13.41 at 103.39. Second I have stock exhaust. Third I have no other mods. Fourth I have a fully loaded Auto with the Shaker 1000 subs in the trunk. Fifth, I only had 1000 miles on the brand new motor. And Last but not least YOU HAD YOUR CAR DYNO TUNED FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. My car has an out of the box tune running 3/4 tank of gas.



Maybe you shouldn't assume I'm talking about you then? Wow, take a hint.


Did I miss something? Take what hint. I also haven't seen any Auto's with 4.10 gears and CAI with tune post a 13.60 time that you've argued with. Anyway, nice time for a slow stick with a dyno tune and $1200.00 worth of exhaust. Your parents must be proud of how you spent their money.

===Your parents must be proud of how you spent their money. ===

LOL ouch!

ORIGINAL: LIVNBIG

flyingt,

not to go off topic here, but you have one BADA$$ car.....[sm=groupwave.gif]

sorry,

carry on...

LIVNBIG,

Thank you.

I thought Fast was a matter of perception... and anything more then low 7's in a quarter is NOT fast!

Oh wait.. or was that low 10's...

Or maybe low 13's...


Bottom line... An Automatic GT is plenty fast enough to get you a ticket for Excessive Acceleration, Imprudent Speed, or outright speeding.

And Probably more horsepower then some people will be able to handle.

Yes a stick is faster then an auto, however I have raced both and is all you or the person your racing has to do is miss a shift or shift a little slow and if the race is close you lose. So if you do every shift perfect you will beat an auto, car for car, but unless you race all the time, it's quite easy to be excited and screw up a shift, on the race track.

ORIGINAL: td1320

Your parents must be proud of how you spent their money.


Seeing as it was my money they don't really give a ****.

Disregard, my mistake.

I'll tell you you are wrong. With only a tune to adjust rev limiter and shift points (which only offset what does not exist on a stick) the
new 5 speed auto tranny has nearly identical gearing. The stock rear end gearing is a little higher though. There is no way you can tell me anyone can manually shift a gear as fast as an auto. Go to the track and watch 'em run. Granted auto is not as fun it can be just as fast.

ORIGINAL: DROCKOFTX

I'll tell you you are wrong. With only a tune to adjust rev limiter and shift points (which only offset what does not exist on a stick) the
new 5 speed auto tranny has nearly identical gearing. The stock rear end gearing is a little higher though. There is no way you can tell me anyone can manually shift a gear as fast as an auto. Go to the track and watch 'em run. Granted auto is not as fun it can be just as fast.




Here we go again.

ORIGINAL: DROCKOFTX

I'll tell you you are wrong. With only a tune to adjust rev limiter and shift points (which only offset what does not exist on a stick) the
new 5 speed auto tranny has nearly identical gearing. The stock rear end gearing is a little higher though. There is no way you can tell me anyone can manually shift a gear as fast as an auto. Go to the track and watch 'em run. Granted auto is not as fun it can be just as fast.


Not to mention the Auto weights more right off the bat and will still get off the line quicker. You can't explain anything to Shifty... he's been driving for more than a year now. He's getting ready to move up to Pro Stock.

Oh yeah? Well...My dad can beat up your dad!

Sorry, I couldn't resist... I got a question and I'm sure I'll get flamed for this... but who freakin' cares? Is it really that important? Are you cooler, a better man, etc... SHEESH... Just my opinion...And opinions are like you-know-what's, we all have 'em and they ALL stink..

I agree that there are alot of conditions that affect the 1/4 times besides the car, mods, etc... And I'm sure that every car that rolls off the line does not produce the same exact horsepower. If so, all props to ford for producing engines, gears, drag, etc.. with 0 standard deviations on every car that rolls off the line.

Anyway...continue.. Sorry for the interruption.. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming...:D

Man, what a thread. I come here to see what mods are coming out and what is being done to other stangs. This I'm rubber your glue just needs to end. We all have sweet vehicles be it stick or be it auto. WHO CARES WHAT ONE IS FASTER IN THE 1/4. Let us just be lucky that we have the chance to own the first new Mustang. There are many other people out there that are hating us because they were to late for this purchase. All I ask is to mod the hell out of the car and then we can compare. Sorry for this but...

ORIGINAL: flyingt

Man, what a thread. I come here to see what mods are coming out and what is being done to other stangs. This I'm rubber your glue just needs to end. We all have sweet vehicles be it stick or be it auto. WHO CARES WHAT ONE IS FASTER IN THE 1/4. Let us just be lucky that we have the chance to own the first new Mustang. There are many other people out there that are hating us because they were to late for this purchase. All I ask is to mod the hell out of the car and then we can compare. Sorry for this but...





I second that.[sm=closed.gif]

ORIGINAL: DanteMo
... but who freakin' cares? Is it really that important? Are you cooler, a better man, etc... SHEESH... Just my opinion...And opinions are like you-know-what's, we all have 'em and they ALL stink..

Well put. I did my stick time in an '03 GT, thought it would be a good idea at the time. My forty mile commute was fun for about three weeks, ok for about two days, and then it outright sucked. I told myself at that time "Not again". I've seen both sides of the coin and if you enjoy your stick, more power to ya. However, you should realize that some of us did not buy (in my case a 3rd) ponycar just to get thrills 1/4 mile at a time.

There is no way I can reach for my latte faster in a manual than an auto. So, if speed is relative than the auto is faster!

flyingt = I need to see more shots of your fron bumper.....................(of your car) :D

Mr Roper,

Oh man... You have my car! [:@] I kept looking for a RedFire GT with black top etc... I couldn't find them anywhere here in the midwest. After days of looking on ebay, search forddirect.com I found a V6. I just couldn't wait until Sept for an order. I convinced myself that the V6 was better (FOR ME, not in general), cheaper ins, etc... I'm sooooooo jeolous! :(

Have a good one.. and NICE CAR!!!

dammit... between shifty and td1320 I still dunno if I would get a auto or tranny (yes even with philly traffic into consideration). Why don't yall just showdown on the track with exact mods?!?!

Make it a videotaped event and a best out of 7 runs or something for those of us bored with the NBA finals and pissed of no NHL finals ^_^

ORIGINAL: Shifty

ORIGINAL: nitrojunkee

A rookie at the track and a rookie with performance it looks like too. This should turn out to be a fun thread to watch ........LOL
Unfortunately, there are many other factors when trying to compare ET's.....such as altitude, humidity, track conditions, traction, and ambient air temperature. Hate to say it KID, but the guys with autos are gonna blast you for posting this.


There isn't enough of a difference in conditions to explain that much of a difference in times. I started this thread to see what the auto guys have to say about that. All I've heard is how "all you need is a tune with the auto and it's faster than the manual" and thats a lie. They had me convinced about the autos until yesterday. No more bs about the transmissions. It's called powershifting.


Why so defensive? Do you have low self-esteem? Ask the school nurse tomorrow to take a look...

[sm=headbang.gif][sm=icon_stickpoke.gif] Who cares...when you destroy your tranny powershifting who do you think will be faster. I mean congrats on the time, that's a helluva run but it proves nothing. I own a manual and even if another 05 or an 06 beat me I'd be giving high fives all around...stick, auto, or one monster turbine engine...whatever. We all have good taste in cars and are pationate about them to boot. As long as we all spank the local ricers nothing else matters...

Autos are teh slow:D. Yeah I really don't see why it matters. Manuals are almost always quicker than autos, they put more power to the ground.

Well, ive been holding back but here it goes. i got the auto b/c in my convertible it's just about top-down cruisin, I read auto mag results and they seem to have the same 0-60 times. I don't race the qtr mile and if I did i couldn't care less about 1/3 of second. I mean think about that, we're talking about a blink of an eye! Would anyone really notice the diff from behind the wheel?? Any street race is usually from stoplight to stoplight anyway so you're not going to go much faster than 60mph in my part of town before you have to hit the brakes. Also, my ego doesn't let me think I can shift as fast as a prof driver so in my hands the auto is faster.
Also the guys who design these cars are not stupid. My auto at WOT shifts into 3rd right at 60 mph at 6100 rpm Coincidence? i think not. They've designed the gear ratios so the 0-60 time is as quick as possible so the cars specs look good in the auto mags. I love my car and that's what its all about!!!

good for you dude. rock on'
ORIGINAL: Shifty

Got the car as a present but I have to pay for gas, insurance, and any maintanance costs. I bought my first car and it turned into a money pit so my dad felt bad about that and he got me this.

ORIGINAL: AmericanMuscle

ORIGINAL: Shifty

ORIGINAL: nitrojunkee

A rookie at the track and a rookie with performance it looks like too. This should turn out to be a fun thread to watch ........LOL
Unfortunately, there are many other factors when trying to compare ET's.....such as altitude, humidity, track conditions, traction, and ambient air temperature. Hate to say it KID, but the guys with autos are gonna blast you for posting this.


There isn't enough of a difference in conditions to explain that much of a difference in times. I started this thread to see what the auto guys have to say about that. All I've heard is how "all you need is a tune with the auto and it's faster than the manual" and thats a lie. They had me convinced about the autos until yesterday. No more bs about the transmissions. It's called powershifting.


Why so defensive? Do you have low self-esteem? Ask the school nurse tomorrow to take a look...


Derf00 >[sm=icon_beat.gif] <AmericanMuscle for bringing back this thread....[sm=badidea.gif][sm=boosign.gif]

Derf00 that is really funny what you did,

I don't what it is today I must have the laughs this like the 4 or 5th post I read I LOL.

ORIGINAL: TJ

Derf00 that is really funny what you did,

I don't what it is today I must have the laughs this like the 4 or 5th post I read I LOL.


it's FRIIIIIDDAAAYYYY!!!!! [sm=yeahsmile.gif][sm=wootwoot.gif][sm=groupwave.gif][sm=happy046.gif][sm=happybounce.gif][sm=alcoholic.gif][sm=icon_rock.gif] and any other smilies that fit... :D

stick is fun...unless you have to survive downtown seattle traffic for about two hours everyday

ORIGINAL: Shifty

You can now shut up. I ran 13.2@104 with my manual. All I have done is exhaust and a tune. I saw a certain SOMONE who seems to think the auto is just as fast. He's running 4.10 gears, intake/exhaust, tune, and some other mods and he's only running 13.6 with his auto. Check and mate, stick>auto. And don't even try to say I'm some pro driver. I'm a 17 year old kid who is a rookie at the track.


First of all YOU shut up. just shut up shut the hell up. shut it. and keep it shut.Who cares what you say. youre only 17. what you say actually has NO bearing on the adult world. if you were smart youd know it isnt because of performance whe buy automatics. but youre not smart. you CANt be your 17. you dont even have chest hair. Stop trying to cause a lame rivalry.

im really impressed with your time (not) but lets see you do that while on a cellphone and drinking a big gulp. AUTOMATICS FOREVER!

amen to that brother

I like the new mustang- a lot...v6-v8-stick-auto...its still a great looking and performing car.

as far as a stick being quicker in the quarter- I'd venture to guess the slight rearend gearing difference is a little, but mostly the all destructive dumping of the clutch at 4k or so might give an edge of a few tenths...buy a single clutch dumped 1/4 mile run probably puts about 10~100k equivalent wear and tear on the rearend and tranny- let alone motor mounts and all the bits that flex as the inertia boost gained by free revving is pounded instantaneously thru the drivetrain...I ordered a stick, as I dont mind shifting, and in the right car, think it actually is more fun to drive- barring a soda or a phone call in traffic...hopefully I will be able to resist popping the clutch too hard...theres fun and theres damage- with a stick the line between the two is a lot easier to cross.

I for one would suggest being very appreciative of the money pit replacement car and take care not to break it over a slip of paper. it IS a cool car, and dont need to show anybody up...someday a bigblock galaxie or even a ricer may just have to show like everything else its not invincible...but it will always be a cool car- please try to take care of it.
Ive heard of quite a few rearend replacements, and would venture to guess a few were stick cars that saw some excessive shock loading...would be interesting to calculate inertia of rotating mass and gear ratio to see just what approximate torque peaks might reach at the rear axle/driveshaft...wouldnt be suprised to see way over 5000 ft/lb peak if the tires hook as the clutch is dumped. I'm almost sure racing voids the warranty if discovered, and am also almost sure if you get in an accident at the track with normal insurance, somebody will be personally on the hook.
If your Dad is there racing with you, then God bless you both- thats too cool, but otherwise, please be careful. He's obviously got faith you woudnt abuse/risk the car or yourself, so hats off to you...but unless you intend on getting into racing as a profession, I would hope you tire of it and just enjoy cruising around...and the occasional onramp blast :)

I have 3 boys, and HOPE to have the faith in them when theyre 17 to trust them with a 300hp ride...but doubt it...the next 8/10/11 years will hopefully change that, but still, thats a lot of responsibility...heck I hope I'll be able to keep my foot out of it. Tempting as it may be to got to the track, I hope to roll over 100k of 'fun times' asap without breaking it. That car can scoot down the track for sure, but then again, could take you coast to coast quite a few times too...start breaking too much and it could also become a money pit in need of replacement...

sticks are nice if thats all you can afford [sm=badbadbad.gif]

In the kids' defense aren't ya'll being a little hard on him? We were all seventeen one time and if he sounding cocky then he is only telling the truth. Stick is faster. If I was seventeen and was offered a GT I would take it in a New York minute. The young man works and that is commendable and he is paying the insurance,,etc... So lighten up drill Sgts'.

manual is definantly better for racing but its such a pain in the ass when you are on a hill at a stoplight. if i was racing all the time i woulkd want a manual but if im just cruising around id rather have it be auto. nice run by the way

I would be an ass too if I got this car at 17. He is having fun and he obviously is a pretty damn good driver. That is one of the best times I have heard about out of an '05 GT.

ORIGINAL: 757GT

I would be an ass too if I got this car at 17.


i am 17...i'm not an ass...at least i think

ORIGINAL: chrisc

ORIGINAL: 757GT

I would be an ass too if I got this car at 17.


i am 17...i'm not an ass...at least i think


We are all a little arrogant when it comes to our stangs, I know I can be but I am 21. I didn't really mean ass, I think arrongant is a better word.

what the hell is this doin back[sm=headbang.gif]

Ok Here goes my Two Cents worth, As some know, I can be long winded, sorry...

Some people here are saying a manual benefits from powershifting during a race, which is to keep the throttle floored between shifts. It is not a good idea for a beginner, since a ill-timed shift can cause your engine to over-rev and inflict permanent damage.

As shifty is relaying, automatic transmissions to him are more useful for lazy commuters than for hardcore racers. But it may be surprising for some to know that many pro drag-racing cars have auto gearboxes. That's because the brake-torque launch is an automatic specialty. This launch involves keeping the car stationary by flooring the brakes with the left foot, while using the right foot to rev up the engine against the torque converter. In technical terms, this preloads the entire drivetrain with the stress of a launch, allowing the engine to rev closer to its power and torque peaks at the starting line. Brake-torquing is also beneficial for turbocharged engines as it allows boost to build up before the launch, reducing turbo lag. The only problem is that there is a lot of stress on the transmission, and the consequent heat build-up can destroy your automatic gearbox. Unless your car has too much power for the tires to handle, a brake-torque launch usually will not spin the wheels. This is because the automatic transmission absorbs the shock by design, and brake-torquing actually reduces stress on the rest of the drivetrain. Instead of a sudden massive load, the drivetrain has the torque applied slower instead of one huge jolt.

The advantages of a an automatic transmission are numerous. Dragstrip results speak for themselves; unless it's a clutchless manual transmission, nothing will be as consistent or as strong as an automatic.

While the open road course is a different environment than that of the dragstrip, An automatic will boast better times than those of an identically outfitted manual vehicle in all but the most competitive vehicle.

On the street, auto gearboxes greatly increase the driveability and "fun-factor", No more traffic jams spent with the clutch halfway engaged (and the accompanying spaghetti-noodle leg).

Automatics for rear-wheel-drive cars and for cars that take on the dragstrip for "quarter-mile consistency, "For street use, it is an issue of labor for the driver--the way traffic has increased. Heat is also a factor that is improved with an automatic, and wear and tear on the engine and clutch is lessened. An automatic allows you to do what you want to do EVERY TIME. You rev the engine to 2,500 rpm to move gears without missing a shift."

Yes Shifty has a valid point in the differences between manual and automatic transmissions. However, in a drag race the automatic would win. Yes the automatic eats more horsepower, but, the fluid in the transmission stores energy during shifts and returns it to the wheels.

A manual transmission is lighter and operates with fewer losses except during hard shifting the extra torque is sent to the chassis and causes body twist and energy loss. Look at professional drag racing every one uses an automatic with a high stall converter. Road racing is a completely different story, as the automatic in drag racing only has to last between 1/4 to 1 mile, the manual in road racing must last many miles. In reality an automatic transmission could last at the power levels in real racing.

Sorry for my rant...
(In 1982-85 I Raced everything from Pro Mods to rails and I am a two time Gator National Champion) I May be old now but I still have my wits about me, and yes I used to race when Don Garlits was king.

One thing more if I could.... I posted a few weeks back "Drag Racing tips"

1) Staging: Slowly pull up to line while watching the Tree (The thing with all the lights in the middle) Once the first pair of yellow lights come on, slowly inch forward until the second pair of yellow lights come on. You are now staged!

2) Launching: In an automatic wait until the car next to you is staged and then begin brake torquing. Use your left foot to FULLY depress your brake pedal while using your right foot to bring the revs to around 1,800rpms or whatever works for you particular setup. There are 3 yellow lights and a green light. When the THIRD yellow light comes on, release the brake while flooring the gas peddle at the same time. If done correctly your car will start moving right as the light turns green and you will have a quick reaction time.

Shifty, There is a lag time with the Auto trans, if the car you raced did not do the above steps, this could have eaten a .3 to .8 seconds or more from his time. so do not judge one run or heat as a whole.

Oh and Shifty, I once raced Don Garlits Top-fuel Dragster "Swamp Rat XXX" and lost, but that was a high light of my life, I raced "Big Daddy" (i raced ocala and sunrise all the time, I am from Coral Springs, Florida) Now live in Washington, DC

I've had a 5speed or 6speed Z28 for the last 8years, and I love my auto. One thing I've learned is one miss and it's it's down hill from there=)

[sm=bicker.gif] This could go on for a while.
can't we all just be friends? [sm=icon_cheers.gif]

I have had mustang's with both. I had times when i've been driving with my auto and said, "I wish I had a stick right now,", and other times when i had the stick and said, "an automatic would be great". To each his own. As far as racing is concerned. Everyone is half right. I've read some threads that say professional racers use automatics. Not allways. To be honest, guys including myself use what is called a planetary gear transmission from a company called lenco (http://www.lencoracing.com). I wouldn't really consider it a manual since it does not have a clutch system, but it's deffinately not an automatic. Top fuelers use a tranny with one gear and a massive clutch. As the clutch heats up at the launch, it actually welds together halfway down the track giving no powerloss other than rotating mass.

But who cares, some people like an automatic, some like a stick.

And for those who say that someone could not afford the auto, I really don't think that the $20 a month an auto adds to one's note will break anyone in this forum.

ORIGINAL: swieduwi

Ok Here goes my Two Cents worth, As some know, I can be long winded, sorry...

Some people here are saying a manual benefits from powershifting during a race, which is to keep the throttle floored between shifts. It is not a good idea for a beginner, since a ill-timed shift can cause your engine to over-rev and inflict permanent damage.

As shifty is relaying, automatic transmissions to him are more useful for lazy commuters than for hardcore racers. But it may be surprising for some to know that many pro drag-racing cars have auto gearboxes. That's because the brake-torque launch is an automatic specialty. This launch involves keeping the car stationary by flooring the brakes with the left foot, while using the right foot to rev up the engine against the torque converter. In technical terms, this preloads the entire drivetrain with the stress of a launch, allowing the engine to rev closer to its power and torque peaks at the starting line. Brake-torquing is also beneficial for turbocharged engines as it allows boost to build up before the launch, reducing turbo lag. The only problem is that there is a lot of stress on the transmission, and the consequent heat build-up can destroy your automatic gearbox. Unless your car has too much power for the tires to handle, a brake-torque launch usually will not spin the wheels. This is because the automatic transmission absorbs the shock by design, and brake-torquing actually reduces stress on the rest of the drivetrain. Instead of a sudden massive load, the drivetrain has the torque applied slower instead of one huge jolt.

The advantages of a an automatic transmission are numerous. Dragstrip results speak for themselves; unless it's a clutchless manual transmission, nothing will be as consistent or as strong as an automatic.

While the open road course is a different environment than that of the dragstrip, An automatic will boast better times than those of an identically outfitted manual vehicle in all but the most competitive vehicle.

On the street, auto gearboxes greatly increase the driveability and "fun-factor", No more traffic jams spent with the clutch halfway engaged (and the accompanying spaghetti-noodle leg).

Automatics for rear-wheel-drive cars and for cars that take on the dragstrip for "quarter-mile consistency, "For street use, it is an issue of labor for the driver--the way traffic has increased. Heat is also a factor that is improved with an automatic, and wear and tear on the engine and clutch is lessened. An automatic allows you to do what you want to do EVERY TIME. You rev the engine to 2,500 rpm to move gears without missing a shift."

Yes Shifty has a valid point in the differences between manual and automatic transmissions. However, in a drag race the automatic would win. Yes the automatic eats more horsepower, but, the fluid in the transmission stores energy during shifts and returns it to the wheels.

A manual transmission is lighter and operates with fewer losses except during hard shifting the extra torque is sent to the chassis and causes body twist and energy loss. Look at professional drag racing every one uses an automatic with a high stall converter. Road racing is a completely different story, as the automatic in drag racing only has to last between 1/4 to 1 mile, the manual in road racing must last many miles. In reality an automatic transmission could last at the power levels in real racing.

Sorry for my rant...
(In 1982-85 I Raced everything from Pro Mods to rails and I am a two time Gator National Champion) I May be old now but I still have my wits about me, and yes I used to race when Don Garlits was king.


raise your hand if you red all that[&:]

[sm=icon_rock.gif] << Raises his hand!

ORIGINAL: swieduwi


On the street, auto gearboxes greatly increase the driveability and "fun-factor"



I am sorry but I really really REALLY do not agree with that statement AT ALL!! This is my first post here since I have recently started looking into getting a Mustang, and I have to say that there are more people on this forum that seem to prefer the auto to the manual then any other car forum I have been to!! I just dont see how any person calling themselves a car enthusiast can prefer a sports car in an automatic then one with a manual trans!!!! Its like taking the soul of the car right out of it!! I can understand why some people get the auto, weather it be they dont know how to drive one, cant drive one do to a disability, or they are just plain lazy ;) but if they really are a car enthusiast they should be getting the manual!! its just more fun!!!!

[sm=bjsmile.gif] shifty give it up man, to each his own, my first car ( a turbocharged lebaron was an automatic) and every other car since has been a manual, i agree they are more fun to drive, but that auto lebaron would pull with any five-speed mustang or camaro in our high-school parking lot

I enjoyed my 6speed in my 02 Z28, but when I've been up and working 20+ hrs and coming home in rush hour I do not miss my 6speed. There are times when I do wish I had it like downshifting into curves and taking off and so on but again each there own. Just enjoy what you have=)