Um yeah it does, you just need to think a little. Its an example of how reliabilty is sacrificed for performance sometimes, and whether or not a 2002+ design can outhandle a 1970's design depends on if they did any of THAT. I know they weren't turbos dude. But I do know that tech on ANYTHING newer isn't always built for say, handling stress. "You know we can shave about 50 bucks per build if we make that cylinder wall thinner and it wont even effect STOCK reliability..." Try to take the point instead of blindly ignoring its significance. Maybe I didnt explain myself good enough, but there is a point to it, and it is EXACTLY what you were bringing up.
Ok I'm done. Not going to go back and forth anymore, its pointless.
RE: To all those people who say TURBO's are RICE! - 6/2/2005 10:55:43 AM
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I see your point and reasoning behind it... and I never disputed that, but it still had nothing to do with a 19 year old turbo engine's reliability at 35 psi.
It simply had nothing to do with the point we were discussing. I still want some proof that a 2.3 can handle well over twice the atmospheric pressure reliably.
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well lets see the turbo 2.3L i have right now was overboosting and it hit in excess of over 20psi id say somewhere like 25psi so whats 10 more psi gonna do?
RE: To all those people who say TURBO's are RICE! - 6/2/2005 5:31:40 PM
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add almost another equivalent to Earth's atmospheric pressure between the four cylinders. 10 psi is a lot of boost, let alone making it that "extra" 10 psi.
RE: To all those people who say TURBO's are RICE! - 6/2/2005 9:51:53 PM
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Yes I know that. What I'm saying is 35 psi is 2.4 times earths atmosphere. I have never seen a stock engine ever handle that without putting a rod or a headgasket out of commission.
Yes I know that. What I'm saying is 35 psi is 2.4 times earths atmosphere. I have never seen a stock engine ever handle that without putting a rod or a headgasket out of commission.
Diesels run 35 psi regularly, stock right from the factory
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diesels have thicker cylinder walls there buddy and they need the compression to run. diesels dont use spark plugs.
there are diesels out there that can run 95psi... the evo with a 2.3L stroker kit can run 35psi we know this. the big question is if a 1970's pinto engine can run 35psi stock.
or well a 1986 Mustang SVO can.
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Yes I know that. What I'm saying is 35 psi is 2.4 times earths atmosphere. I have never seen a stock engine ever handle that without putting a rod or a headgasket out of commission.
Diesels run 35 psi regularly, stock right from the factory
the evo runs 19 psi stock...
No they dont I have two F-550 powerstrokes and neither of them had more than 20 pounds of boost stock, even my modded one has only 25 psi.You need some very expensive injectors ($1500) to run that boost
Cummins Turbo Diesels run 25 psi stock.. And that diesel dragster runs 9's and it has a stock bottom end and runs 95 psi of boost.. diesels are amazing
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So are EJ20/25ts and 4g63s, but they will not handle 35 psi on the stock internals. I highly doubt a 19 year old engine with 1970s techonology will outhandle an engine that was engineered and built with 2002+ technology.
What about the Hemi thats still out performing new engines
all i can say is damnnnn!!! thats an awesome ride have u takin it to the track yet , oh and my buddy is like that dont beat my lexus is 300 but what he forgets to mention is that lexus is riced out to the max
well lets see the turbo 2.3L i have right now was overboosting and it hit in excess of over 20psi id say somewhere like 25psi so whats 10 more psi gonna do?
well lets see the turbo 2.3L i have right now was overboosting and it hit in excess of over 20psi id say somewhere like 25psi so whats 10 more psi gonna do?
BLOW UP
Lol Agreed!
I don't believe Turbo is rice but some of stuff in this thread is outlandish, Can a 2.3L engine run 35Psi...probably. Is it reliable Uh, probably not. I think that's what should be debated. I can take a Geo Metro or Yugo and put whatever I want on it. Will it survive? That's the question. Weight and ratios also have an impact on speed. If you have two identical cars save for weight and gear ratios, their 1/4 mile time and hp per lb are going to be VERY different.
Someone on here pointed out that a top fuel dragster engine has to be rebuilt after each use. Yep, and it's modified to the hilt. Nascar engines are only good for one or two races and they're N/A.
Diesel engines aren't the same type of engine design as Gas so they are out of the conversation. They are designed specifically to handle higher compression ratios and forced induction so saying that a diesel can handle 95psi is pointless. Custom build a gas engine, use steel sleeves, get forged internals and you too can increase the compression and use ungodly amounts of forced induction. That's not the point.
So i think the question we should ask is, will the stock motor be reliable with that amount of boost? My point, stick to apples vs apples and ask something that someone really cares about.
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