I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
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EXACLTY thank you. I raced this 600cbr the other day and just as you saidi was able to kinda get hi at first then he waved bye and it didnt even look like we were racing.
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I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
I think you would be very unwise to keep this line of thought with a bike bigger than a 600, or a 600 that has been modified.
Several all stock 1200 bikes will destroy anyones car in this post, and probably the fastest car on this forum. (or dammed near).
600s are not as fast from a roll as a stop, but they are still pretty dammed fast either way. And a 1200 will not stop accelerating quickly at 40 or even 90 mph. They are simply insane.
Congratulations we are talking about a 600 not a 1200 and from an 85mph roll my car will beat a 2003 or older model that is not modified. Thats what the post was. A 600 top end does not have it in it to run a car. From a dig they will destroy us but not top end. And Birdieman has a 4 sec car lets see a modded bike do that.
i don't believe I'm hearing this stuff... forget your hole shot, you don't know what you're talking about... it takes less than second to wind up to 7500, basically when my clutch is all the way out and the throttle at the stop, i'm already catching up...but putting power down in first gear on a car is much quicker...like i said you may beat me in the first 40-50 feet but after that forget it...it's not the hole shot on 600cc bikes, it's the higher revving rpms that give the fast acceleration...and that takes a second or so. Below 7500 the 600's got nothing...they're designed for power in the higher rpm ranges, that's why redline is a humble 15,200 rpm. A top gear roll on from 80-100 mph that's 6th gear is about 3.5secs. Drop that down to second gear and you're looking at 1.1 or so...you're car can't do that! And just so we're straight, this means sitting at 80mph then punching it....not accelerating your way thru it. Now if you're talking absolute top end, like spedometer pegged, the bike will do 165mph and it only takes about 25 seconds maybe a little more to get there....IF your car can brake that, and from the sounds of it most of you're running 410 gears can't even get close, the bike would be so far ahead it woult take you 5 miles to catch up and pass it. Liter bikes are a whole different game. You better be in a euro-geared ferrari to catch that sucker..and you STILL won't beat the liter bike in the 1/4 mile.
Look fellas. I've got the '03 600rr. I've never had it on the drag stip but I've been racing it for 2 years now. 60-145mph, i'll bet my pink slip that i can beat you.
Wrong again. Obviously they don't pull as hard at TOP rpm's...but NOTHING does. No combustion engine produces as much HP in the upper middle as it does at the very top of the rpm range near the redline or limiter. Peak HP on my bike is at about 11500 rpms. And it pulls like a mother all the way to redline. And forget your friction coefficients...a car has 5x more drag than a bike and a much worse weight to power ratio.
I love fast cars, I love my Stang, but you guys need to drive a modern sportbike, 600 or 1000cc and then let that sucker take you for a ride, you'll never say a car will take your bike.
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Have you ever raced a bike or owned one. I had a 600 and at higher mph they do not pull as hard. So take that comment and shove it. Why you got to be a dick????
Wrong again. Obviously they don't pull as hard at TOP rpm's...but NOTHING does. No combustion engine produces as much HP in the upper middle as it does at the very top of the rpm range near the redline or limiter. Peak HP on my bike is at about 11500 rpms. And it pulls like a mother all the way to redline. And forget your friction coefficients...a car has 5x more drag than a bike and a much worse weight to power ratio.
I love fast cars, I love my Stang, but you guys need to drive a modern sportbike, 600 or 1000cc and then let that sucker take you for a ride, you'll never say a car will take your bike.
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Have you ever raced a bike or owned one. I had a 600 and at higher mph they do not pull as hard. So take that comment and shove it. Why you got to be a dick????
let me add to that real quick. The TYPE of 600cc bike you are racing makes a BIG BIG difference. Suzuki, kawi, and yamaha all have 600cc bikes that are not real sport bikes, they look like it but don't have the tuning ie: fzr600r and SV650 and zr600. Honda's current and previous year f4i has been sort of downgraded to be more multi-purpose as the 600rr is honda's prime 600cc machine. So when i've said 600, i'm talking about supersport 600's, not the little weiner ones-those i'd admit don't have the power to hang.
I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
I think you would be very unwise to keep this line of thought with a bike bigger than a 600, or a 600 that has been modified.
Several all stock 1200 bikes will destroy anyones car in this post, and probably the fastest car on this forum. (or dammed near).
600s are not as fast from a roll as a stop, but they are still pretty dammed fast either way. And a 1200 will not stop accelerating quickly at 40 or even 90 mph. They are simply insane.
Ah, trust me, I take a good long look at all the bikes trap times at the track. I know which ones to avoid.
And yes, my car should outrun a 600cc bike. Almost all the ones at the track I see run trap from 90-94mph. I trapped 92mph and was only making 367/401. So it would be a lot of fun from a roll.
If you did make that bet, you'd probably lose your bike.
A honda cbr 600f4 is what I raced. From an 80mph roll he lost I went to about 110 I think he was at my rear bumper. I live in Florida bring that 600rr down here and lets race from 80-110 on the hwy of course and see were you are at. And for the record a bike can get to 0-60 a lot quicker then most cars so the dig is a bikes strong point.
Well, first as a person who has owned several bikes from 250's to a ZX-11 and including a 2002 CBR F4i let me say this: a CBR F4i traps around 123-124 mph in the 1/4. The 600rr is not that much faster...maybe trapping 2-3 mph more with .3 second faster ET's. The difference between the 600's is minimal.
I don't know what the original poster had on his car, but it would need a turbo and other work in order for him to pull a cars length on a CBR F4i from 85-110 mph.
I owned my CBR F4i while living here in LA so trust me I raced PLENTY of cars from both a stop and on the freeway. NO mustang GT unless it's heavily modded is going to pull on the bike...even a 600.
The bike the poster raced was either: 1. Not a CBR F4i or even an F2 or F3 2. The bike driver didn't downshift and just rolled on the throttle while in 6th 3. Both
4th gear at 85 mph in a CBR F4i will EASILY walk away from the vast majority of the cars on the road.
He kicked it down it was atleast a F4I and in forth gear at 80-85 to 110 you are not going to pull that hard on a 600. A piped gxsr 600 got blown away by my friends pullied cobra from a 40mph roll and the guy was all over it on one wheel trying to catch up. The guy I raced was in 4th gear I think.
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I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
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He kicked it down it was atleast a F4I and in forth gear at 80-85 to 110 you are not going to pull that hard on a 600. A piped gxsr 600 got blown away by my friends pullied cobra from a 40mph roll and the guy was all over it on one wheel trying to catch up. The guy I raced was in 4th gear I think.
This is humorous. If the guy on the GSXR 600 was on one wheel, he was showing off, not racing. LOL
This is the second post where you seem to think a street car, even a relatively high performance one, can pull away from a street bike, even from legal rolling speeds, up into triple digit speeds.
Do yourself a HUGE favor. Go ride a streetbike. It's very obvious you never have. But be careful.
I gave you a couple links in the other thread, here's another example.
Autoweek Magazine does roll acceleration tests of some of the cars they do full tests on. These rolling tests are conducted from 60-80 mph in the LOWEST gear possible for best acceleration times!!
Coincidentally, MotorCyclist Magazine ALSO does 60-80 mph roll on acceleration times on many of the bikes they test. However, they do it in TOP gear (6th on 98% of bikes) therefore, it's NOT the best for acceleration.
Let me give you a few examples of the results: Again these are the 60-80 mph times the gear will be indicated in () after the times. All cars are manual unless noted.
2005 Cadillac STS (auto) 4.4 seconds
2005 BMW 545i (3) 3.8 seconds
2005 Ford Mustang GT (3) 3.8 seconds
2004 Audi S4 (3) 3.7 seconds
2005 Mercedes Benz C55 AMG (auto) 3.6 seconds
2003 Nissan 350Z (3) 3.6 seconds
2004 Subaru WRX STI (4) 3.1 seconds
2005 Pontiac GTO (3) 3.0 seconds
Mercedes Benz E55 AMG 2.5 seconds
Now let's look at the some bikes times. Keep in mind, for the bikes, these are TOP GEAR (usually 6th) acceleration times. You can imagine what the times would be if they started in 3rd gear like the cars!!! Even the 600cc bikes would be probably down in the the neighborhood of 2.0 seconds
Honda CBR F4i 4.1 seconds
Honda CBR 600rr 4.2 seconds
Kawasaki ZX-6R 4.3 seconds
Suzuki GSX-R 600 4.6 seconds
Honda CBR954rr 2.7 seconds
Suzuki GSX-R 1000 2.6 seconds
Also, so you know, 0-60 isn't an indicator of how well or how easy it is to launch a car or motorcycle. 60' times or 0-20 mph would be more appropriate. And trust me, it's FAR easier to launch a car like the WRX STI than it is a 600cc sport bike. I'd say 95% of the time the WRX STI driver would get the hole shot, but the bike would pass a few seconds later. You can also get to 60 mph FASTER but still be behind someone in a race from a stop.
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I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
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Sure, c'mon down to Statesville, NC. I'll guarentee I'll find a street car to hand you your ass. Hell, maybe even on motor. My buddies Gixxer only traps around 106mph in the 1/8th.....that's quick, but ****, it's a bike. I should be trapping over 100mph myself.
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I'd like to run ya from about a 50 kick. What do you trap in the 1/8th? You have it backwards btw, the only reason a bike runs well is b/c of it's hole shot. They weigh so little and are able to accelerate so quickly. From a 50-80 roll, drag coeficients take over.
I'll take that challenge! (2002 GSXR 1000, D&D Exhaust, PC III-R, K&N Filter, PAIR Sucker, Switchable TRE, Metzler Sportech M-1’s, etc, etc…)
Sure, c'mon down to Statesville, NC. I'll guarentee I'll find a street car to hand you your ass. Hell, maybe even on motor. My buddies Gixxer only traps around 106mph in the 1/8th.....that's quick, but ****, it's a bike. I should be trapping over 100mph myself.
You’re OBVIOUSLY very uninformed on sport bikes, and thus this conversation (or at least my involvement in it) is over…
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This is a bunch of crap. I'm sorry but no realatively stock GT will hang with a person really racing a 600, new or old. I have an '03 6R and it traps at 125 mph in the 1/4 and ran an 11.2 at best with a f*cking sh*tty 60 ft. I've seen an '02 bone stock F4i with the front strapped down to keep the front wheel down run a 10.89 with a good rider and I have it on video. There are so many bad and ignorant comments on this thread I'm just amazed. My buddy has an '02 Z28 with some bolt ons that goes 12.5 at the track at best so far. I raced him numerous times from a 60-70 punch and I walk away from him the whole time.
For spec purposes my bike has 125hp at the fly (around 110 rwhp) and weighs 350lbs dry and around 380 wet. I'm sorry but a moddern supersport 600 will walk away from almost any car that is not modified in some way or another regardless of dig or roll.
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