Not to mention there is a guy on the mazda forums with a mazda protege that he swapped a GTR motor into and was pushing almost 500 HP out of a little 1.8 Liter 4 Banger before he melted seals and **** like that
< Message edited by Joe99es -- 5/13/2005 3:53:26 PM >
I just dont see why every V8 owner has to talk down on a 4 Cylinder, or do the old argument of, well i can get more power out of my car for less money then your 4 banger... If you guys are so hooked up being the best... What did a 04 Cobra go for? 30 Grand or so? So you got a bone stock Cobra for 30 Grand.. Not to mention the $$$$$ people spend on Kenne Bells and **** like that... 30 Grand get you a Cobra, or spend 10 grand on a brand new Hayabusa, and have 20 grand left over to Modify it to your hearts content, Turbo it.. stroke it, the possibilities are endless with 20 grand to spend on a bike, and its a little 4 banger too.. And it will run in the mid 9's bone stock.. with 20 grand left over to spend, you could get the thing going faster then ghostriders busa.. so stop with the old argument of " well for so and so much money, my engine will be faster" cause its not true, Hell a bone stock busa could probobly romp 9/10'ths of the guys on this forum
< Message edited by Joe99es -- 5/13/2005 4:30:24 PM >
WHAT IS THIS ANYWAY A v-8 smashing site, or a mustang bashing site, i cant figure it out all you guys with the 10 sec ricers go play and have fun with yr ps2 and dont forget to watch" too fast to furious some more "
wow. Most moronic post of the year.
lol You've probably watched FnF way more than I ever have. (I have never watched it) kthanx, goodbye
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 Yeah and your totally full of **** if you think a stock turbo eclipse of any year is gonna run 12s. Let me guess "well I raced this guy that had a 12 second car and beat him".
Ahh, 12's are pretty easy, the fastest stock turbo guys run mid 11's on the stock turbo (14b).
Read up, look under 14b turbo. Guess this shows how knowledgeable you are. I'll continue on w/ your inane post anyways.... eclipse times
Here, Heres a nice vid. Lets see how many extensive mods this 4 cylinder had to have to run a low 12. I'm sure it needed an engine swap and 10 grand cause imports suck!!
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I ran 12.39 @ 112.66 with my 14b (stock turbo) @ 18psi on 93 octane pump during the 2004 Forced Performance Shootout. No port work of any kind, stock bottom(pistons & all), stock head, stock cams, stock exhaust manny, stock intake manny, stock fuel pump(re-wire), stock 450's. go fast goodies-FMIC & BOV, downpipe & exhaust, MBC, MAF-T & 3.5 GM Maf(blow-by setup), homemade cold air intake.
Well that can't be right, hes lying. Imports suck, buy a vette you pansy stock turbo versus vette
ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 I have never seen a 4cyl that simply "turned up the turbo" and went from a mild street ride to a 10 second monster. And even in my realitvly mild ride, racing anyone thats EVER asked to over the past 2 years, I have NEVER lost a race to anything but a V8. That's gotta say something. And most were highway rolls.
and i've never lost to a mustang, WTF's your point??? There is more in the world then just your town. The evos already gone 10.9 on the stock turbo. No he didn't just crank up the boost to get there. Its impressive nonetheless.
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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6Cheesefrog has thousands upon thousands of dollars into a civic that when he has racefuel and slicks on he can run a high 10. And if you have ever heard that car run it is definatly not a smooth idling grocery getter. Streetable means your not pumping the gas at the light to keep it running, it acutally has an INTERIOR, and doesn't beat you to ****. It also means you can race from a stop with a set of tires that lets you turn a full circle in less than 1000 feet.
I didn't once mention hondas. Hell, you can buy ams's evo package and get high 9's low 10's and still drive it everyday. Hell, heres the tapps auto dailydriver. You don't have to strip anything out of the interior, quit hanging out w/ riceboys. The cams are usually very mild being a turbocharged application, espcially if you're used to N/A v-8's. Plus there driving on actual street tires you can drive in the rain. Not some slick w/ a cut down it. 10's from a car that you can drive everyday, looks stock, and don't change out the tires. Not too bad. 10.0 run
Hell, sheps car run some great times considering it has stock block and crank, all stock body, no lexan, and was running high 8's on street tires last year w/ the old setup. It was a sometimes "daily driver" before the last year or two.
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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 Don't sit here and talk **** like 7 second DSMs running with stock blocks and rotating assemblys. Hell, back in 99 that shop in maine had the worlds fastest and it was totally redone, and only running low 9s.
There best times 7.3 7.5 run Not bad for a 2.0 liter 4 banger
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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6And we havent even gotten into acutally looking at the dyno curves yet. Why don't you take a look at cheesefrog's dyno, if he acutally puts it out. I got a 20 that says his dyno looks like a huge rollercoaster. In everyday low RPM driving it makes nothing until you see this huge boost at 5500 RPM. What good does that do on street tires. You ever seen the race between him and that viper? They are running like 40 MPH and he still cannot hook up.
I'm not cheesefrog, I can't stand hondas, I don't drive FWD cars. End of story
I love how they always try to bring hondas into the arguement. I'm not bringing in the 4th gen vettes or 80 camaros running 15's and 16's into the arguement. I'm not souping up grandmas cars, I'm talking turbocharged rwd/awd cars from the factory.
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ORIGINAL: 2000GT4.6 Plain and simple, you can go out and spend 10K on a 4cyl and make it a fast machine, but its gonna be a bitch to drive, and it isn't gonna have half the balls on the street that it does on the track. Its gonna be doggy unless you want to run around reving the **** out of it all the time.
On the other hand, I could spend 10K on a foxbody, and have a totally streetable grocery getter, that is 100 percent reialble until I crack the bottle open. Then it runs 10s in full street trim. And while your wasting all of that 10K on the motor/turbo, I already have a new rearend and transmission, and no worries, on top of the shiny new powerplant.
Get over it. Like I said before, give me a set amount of money to spend and the v8 wins, and it does so in more streetable, comfortable fashion.
and... You could do the same thing to a dsm. Go all out "high class" w/ 2.3 stroker and FP3065 or gt35r plus shep tranny if you wanted for 10 grand. Run 10's, get off the track and NOT HAVE TO SWITCH TIRES, then drive home, still have very little turbo lag. . The only really unstreetable thing you would have to deal w/ is you would have to either turn down the boost while not running race gas or just run water/meth/propane injection and some good tuning.
That was my whole point, not that a 4 cylinder is better to mod then a v8. That'd be a retarded statement. But that blanket statements like "any v-8 will be faster then any 4cylinder w/ x amount of dollars" is total BS. Theres good v-8s to build up, there are some that are quite weak w/out extensive work. Same w/ 4 bangers. I'm just sick of the kids in their dads v6 or v8 mustang saying there faster because they have more cylinders and i need 10 grand and a swap cause thats what they saw on F&F. Mod what you want, just don't be a clueless asshat. I say the same thing to ricers when im in my stang and they tell me "shoulda brought a civic or v-8s get bad gas mileage".
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what i meant was the styling of the truck was blocky and not very aerodynamic while the little mitsu could be running a lot less power as it has less drag and less weight just saying that this race was not just a straight up dyno war between imports and domestics as many have made it
im not import hating im just stating a fact please dont attack me because i am sensitive
< Message edited by CIZ58 -- 5/13/2005 11:35:52 PM >
That same viper in your site also runs an 8.28 @ 168 with an auto. Not to mention thats not even with nitrous and it has AC and a full interior. While that eclipse you listed is stripped down to the bone, with a turbo and nitrous. Point being strip that viper down add some nitrous and it will blow the socks off any eclipse you could possible ever even dream of. I agree wth 2000GT4.6 v8's are easier to mod its as simple as that. What are the fastest cars in the world? Top fuel dragsters and what kind of engines do they have? V8's. Like he said u can give any set amount for mods and you will always be able to make the v8 faster. I agree with u guys on the fact that alot of v8 people run around and think all imports are slow since they have tiny 4 cyl motors, but that still does not change the fact that the v8 is a superior drag motor compared to a 4 cyl. If you think a 4 cyl is a better drag motor than a v8 then you are just a complete moron. As far as the whole race between the truck and the eclipse, Joe is an idiot he just made soms stupid ignorant comments that got a whole war started. He didn't fully research what happended in the video. The truck is basically a 12 second truck in that video. So that eclipse passing him means that the eclipse was a little bit faster than a 12 second truck. Wow good job you beat a big ass truck you must be so proud of yourself now, that you beat some big ass truck who wasent even using his full potential.
that eclipse beat a 12 second vehicle, meaning he will beat anyone here thats not running 12's or is running a slower 12 then him, so hes not just beating a truck, he could beat many mustangs here
that eclipse beat a 12 second vehicle, meaning he will beat anyone here thats not running 12's or is running a slower 12 then him, so hes not just beating a truck, he could beat many mustangs here
I agree with you 100%. Your point in the beginning was that he beat a 10 second truck and therefore imports are just as good as v8's, which is not true. V8's are the superior drag car like it or not. Sure there are quick imports and personally I think v8's are cheaper to mod to go fast but I cant say that for sure, all I know is that in the end the v8 will win because it is the superior drag race engine. Of course like you said there are tons of different v8's some really fast some really slow just the overall consensus is that the v8 is the superior drag race engine.
I suppose, but i do have a seperate video of a 9 second 4 banger FWD that runs 9.7's and has 573 FWHP out of a 4 Banger which if all is correct, is faster then " The Worlds fastest LS1 V8*
< Message edited by Joe99es -- 5/14/2005 11:34:33 PM >
I suppose, but i do have a seperate video of a 9 second 4 banger FWD that runs 9.7's and has 573 FWHP out of a 4 Banger which if all is correct, is faster then " The Worlds fastest LS1 V8*
The fastest 2v N/A mustang runs a 10.83, so I dont think that LS1 u are referring to is the worlds fastest LS1.
It seems to me that if 4 cylinders where so inexpensive to make horespower, and could be so fuel effiecient while doing so, as Joe stated, and be so flippin reliable, that they would be racing nascar 4 cylinders, top fuel dragsters would run a 4 cylinder....... but the most prominant racing associations in the world all run v8s. Does this make sense to anyone else? Don't get me wrong, I admire a guy who can take a 4 cylinder and run ridiculous ET's after his own hard work. But one thing I did notice, is everytime somebody makes a comparison on here, it's always change this on one and leave this stock on the other. lol. Thas like wiping before you poop, it makes no sense. Everyone has run this topic in the ground. You are never going to have a world of all 4 cylinder lovers or all v8 lovers or all big block or all small block... it just isn't gonna happen. Fast cars are fast cars. Want to find out who's faster? Show up at the track... don't argue on the internet... just makes you look foolish.
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Oh and one more thing... Chad's viper on Viperalley.com is fast... but if I remember right, didn't the TT1000 Hennessey Viper run something like 8.90 at 155 on a disgusting 2.8105 reaction time? Wouldn't that be extremely low 8's with a better reaction time?
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Oh and one more thing... Chad's viper on Viperalley.com is fast... but if I remember right, didn't the TT1000 Hennessey Viper run something like 8.90 at 155 on a disgusting 2.8105 reaction time? Wouldn't that be extremely low 8's with a better reaction time?
Only if reaction time actually effected ET....
It only does when you're bracket racing. He was most likely sitting at the light letting the turbo spool.
The argument is stupid. Dollar for dollar, a big cube motor is gonna go much much faster.
I suppose, but i do have a seperate video of a 9 second 4 banger FWD that runs 9.7's and has 573 FWHP out of a 4 Banger which if all is correct, is faster then " The Worlds fastest LS1 V8*
Haha, classic.
The fastest LT1 just went 7's and the fastest LS1 is bottom 8's and is a convert...
There's several LS1's running mid 9's on motor.
< Message edited by 98LS1 -- 5/15/2005 3:24:32 PM >
if that was a valid point then why don't we all run 15" steel wheels? nascar does it.
oh and lets take all the fuel injection out of our cars. obviously carb's are better because nascar does it.
I don't run 15" wheels because they are UGLY, so I have plans for bullit 17's because I like the LOOK of those. Besides, wheels have nothing to do with motors, which is what this thread is about.... maybe read it before you make remarks? Also, I am not out to be the fastest car on the face of the planet. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with the carb theory... but ask a 100 enthusiasts which they prefer, carb or fi, and you'll see both ends of the spectrum, and everything in between. I was not stating that meerly because everyone uses v8s that it should be that way, I was just wondering if 4 cylinders are such easy horsepower producing, ultimately reliable, gas efficient machines that are easy on a wallet why is there not a bigger following than just the visual aftermarket (ie. everyone wanting to be f&f, ricers, etc). I don't mean to offend any import drivers with that last comment, but you know that is obviously why you have a such a stereotype against you. As I previously stated, I can give credit where credit is due, and if a guy with a 4 cylinder or even a 6 or Bejus forbid a 3 cylinder metro can work on his own car and make it fast... then kudos and congrats for he has achieved his goal. Was just a question, pearlsport.
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Oh and one more thing... Chad's viper on Viperalley.com is fast... but if I remember right, didn't the TT1000 Hennessey Viper run something like 8.90 at 155 on a disgusting 2.8105 reaction time? Wouldn't that be extremely low 8's with a better reaction time?
Only if reaction time actually effected ET....
It only does when you're bracket racing. He was most likely sitting at the light letting the turbo spool.
The argument is stupid. Dollar for dollar, a big cube motor is gonna go much much faster.
I see. Thanks for the info. There's no strips around here, so I have never been around the 1320. I think Kanawah Valley is the closest to me. It's in the southern part of the state and is about 3 & 1/2 hours away if I am not mistaken. I'd really like to go watch sometime, and after a few more mods, maybe even try it. I think legal speed would be fun.
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all you guys with the 10 sec ricers go play and have fun with yr ps2 and dont forget to watch" too fast to furious some more " 
