cheap small ford motors huh?...so why is it that a viper powered 04 ram only runs .3 faster in the 1/4 than an 04 lightning...chip and pulley swap, its over
Your comparing a stock truck, which is heavier then a lightning.. vs a modified lightning? Nice comparison, if you want a real comparison, compare the top of the line mustang VS the 05 viper which runs 11.5 - 11.7 in the quartermile stock
YOU MAKE ABSOLUTLEY NO SENSE AT ALL, PLEASE SHUT OFF YUR COMPUTER STOCK FOR STOCK ITS ONLY .3 TENTHS QUICKER, PRETTY IMPRESSIVE SO NOW COMPARE A MUSTANG TO A VIPER, RIIIIIIGHT
the eclipse and viper might run close quarter times (i find it hard to believe, but i don't know anything about mitsu's) but i'd be 500 bucks that after the 1/4 the viper is raping the he!! out of that eclipse, no way it could keep up. the eclipse probably tops out around 135ish i know that viper could do 150 easy
you say chip and pulley swap its all over... well modify the ram with the same amount of cash also, and it'll still come out first.. its not really fair saying that a modified something will beat a stock something
I went to the track last night for wednesdays street night and there was a silver 04 lightning there, honestly it didnt seem very fast at all, it got beat by quite afew cars, i also saw a civic hatchback beat a 03 mustang GT in a race and a kenne bell cobra get romped by a LT1 style camaro, its all about the money you put into it
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everyone seems to forget that that the race we are talking about was between a 4000+lb blocky 4speed automatic truck and a sleek little coupe/hatch at highway speeds.
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everyone seems to forget that that the race we are talking about was between a 4000+lb blocky 4speed automatic truck and a sleek little coupe/hatch at highway speeds.
Ha to call a 700+HP 1000TQ truck blocky is a little under-appreciating (new word) but yes they are both very fast and the truck does do very well for being ....quite 'stock'.
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everyone seems to forget that that the race we are talking about was between a 4000+lb blocky 4speed automatic truck and a sleek little coupe/hatch at highway speeds.
uh... yeah.
As waf said, 700 hp, 1000 ft lbs torque spraying. Parish runs 10.6s on a 100 shot... yet the Eclipse was still pulling on him.
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everyone seems to forget that that the race we are talking about was between a 4000+lb blocky 4speed automatic truck and a sleek little coupe/hatch at highway speeds.
uh... yeah.
As waf said, 700 hp, 1000 ft lbs torque spraying. Parish runs 10.6s on a 100 shot... yet the Eclipse was still pulling on him.
Care to try again?
He wasn't spraying, didnt have the 10 second tires on it, and more than likely didn't have it set at max boost.
So he ran a 12 then? I think that's what he ran on full boost with no nitrous... Either way, whoopty do. It's doesn't matter seeing as how the Eclipse was just as fast, if not a wee bit faster.
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you say chip and pulley swap its all over... well modify the ram with the same amount of cash also, and it'll still come out first.. its not really fair saying that a modified something will beat a stock something
I went to the track last night for wednesdays street night and there was a silver 04 lightning there, honestly it didnt seem very fast at all, it got beat by quite afew cars, i also saw a civic hatchback beat a 03 mustang GT in a race and a kenne bell cobra get romped by a LT1 style camaro, its all about the money you put into it
Not that I give a ****, but I just love proving you wrong.
Lets even forget the extreme cost of the SRT-10 vs the lightning. (Throw price of buying it out).
200 bucks (for an expensive one) for the pully 500 bucks (once again very expensive) for a tune or programmer
So ya got 700 bucks to modify the ram. The lightning is making, what, 80 more RWHP. Good luck.
Its the same argument about the 03 cobras. Its not that you can spend money on it and make it faster, its that you can spend 1500 bucks on it and make 470~ RWHP (up from an average 380 rwhp).
So you can ADD more RWHP than a large majority of 4cyl come with STOCK for 1500 dollars, and all of it can be done in your DRIVEWAY (pully, programmer, aftercat, xpipe) in about 3 hours.
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So he ran a 12 then? I think that's what he ran on full boost with no nitrous... Either way, whoopty do. It's doesn't matter seeing as how the Eclipse was just as fast, if not a wee bit faster.
The point is that its a FREAKING TRUCK. Its like driving a wall down the road. They are crusing along and go from a high roll? The import has EVERYTHING going for it, and once again, its a FREAKING TRUCK. It outwieghs the eclipse by what, 3 times over??
This is your arguement that 4cyl are as good or better to modify??
Seriously 2000si, I have a higher opinion of you than that, don't sit here and say that a 4cyl are as easy and as good a choice to modify as a 8cyl car.
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Headers / Intake / Maybe one other thing
Net good power gains aswell on a V10 502
I think ya need to do a price check on headers for a V10 Ram. My V8 headers ran just at 600 bucks. And good luck finding an intake for a V10 that isnt a custom setup (BUCKS).
So your pretty much left with what, nitrous? Please.
Not to mention that nothing you mentioned (or everything put together) will gain anywhere near 90 RWHP.
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So he ran a 12 then? I think that's what he ran on full boost with no nitrous... Either way, whoopty do. It's doesn't matter seeing as how the Eclipse was just as fast, if not a wee bit faster.
The point is that its a FREAKING TRUCK. Its like driving a wall down the road. They are crusing along and go from a high roll? The import has EVERYTHING going for it, and once again, its a FREAKING TRUCK. It outwieghs the eclipse by what, 3 times over??
This is your arguement that 4cyl are as good or better to modify??
Seriously 2000si, I have a higher opinion of you than that, don't sit here and say that a 4cyl are as easy and as good a choice to modify as a 8cyl car.
Who cares? Seriously?! That truck as it sat in that video was ABLE to run 10s, it has and can run TENS in the quarter mile.
How it's shaped has absolutely NOTHING to do with this, stop trying to make excuses for the truck. It got beat and everybody knows what the truck is capable of running, yet it still lost. What's your malfunction? Why are you not realizing that the shape and "it being a wall" has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it was running on par and being slightly pulled by a four banger? Might I remind you that 90% of the people here think a four cylinder is inferior to ANYTHING with a V8?
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So he ran a 12 then? I think that's what he ran on full boost with no nitrous... Either way, whoopty do. It's doesn't matter seeing as how the Eclipse was just as fast, if not a wee bit faster.
The point is that its a FREAKING TRUCK. Its like driving a wall down the road. They are crusing along and go from a high roll? The import has EVERYTHING going for it, and once again, its a FREAKING TRUCK. It outwieghs the eclipse by what, 3 times over??
This is your arguement that 4cyl are as good or better to modify??
Seriously 2000si, I have a higher opinion of you than that, don't sit here and say that a 4cyl are as easy and as good a choice to modify as a 8cyl car.
Who cares? Seriously?! That truck as it sat in that video was ABLE to run 10s, it has and can run TENS in the quarter mile.
How it's shaped has absolutely NOTHING to do with this, stop trying to make excuses for the truck. It got beat and everybody knows what the truck is capable of running, yet it still lost. What's your malfunction? Why are you not realizing that the shape and "it being a wall" has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it was running on par and being slightly pulled by a four banger? Might I remind you that 90% of the people here think a four cylinder is inferior to ANYTHING with a V8?
The entire point that he was trying to make is that 4cyl are as good or better to modify as a v8, because this truck has all kinds of money in it and runs 10s AT THE STRIP. I am not doubting that the eclipse is fast in any right, but thats a pretty stupid example to use to "prove" his point. Its a FREAKING TRUCK. I would be embarrassed to have the kind of money the eclipse has dumped into it and just barely beat a truck that isn't running to full potential (not that my car could beat that truck, but I don't have a ton of cash in it either).
At some point or another in the back of your mind and joes too your both going to have to accept that it is cheaper and easyer to modify almost any V8 than a 4cyl, and all things being equal a V8 will provide the most power for a set price range. You can set any price that you want, and I guarentee you can make more power with a V8 than any 4cyl of your choice.
Im not saying that all 4cyl are slow, or that they are impossible to make fast. However, they are not going to run as fast and still be streetable, they are going to cost more money, and its going to be tougher to get them to go as fast.
WHAT IS THIS ANYWAY A v-8 smashing site, or a mustang bashing site, i cant figure it out all you guys with the 10 sec ricers go play and have fun with yr ps2 and dont forget to watch" too fast to furious some more "
Yes and what do your precious mustangs get in MPG? I know its not 28 mpg like some 4 cylinders out there, a Mazda Protege with a simple GTX 1.8 Liter Engine Swap, which you can find for a little over a grand ( stock engine, just swapped into the protege ) the car will run 13's on the stock motor swap.. now mod the bitch and there you go
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RE: Parish vs Eclipse - 
all you guys with the 10 sec ricers go play and have fun with yr ps2 and dont forget to watch" too fast to furious some more "
