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Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/15/2008 9:25:38 PM   
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The set-up I want includes:

All from Rockford Fosgate's Power Series Line, except for subwoofers.

2 component speaker systems
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_id=29&item_id=91973&locale=en_US&p_status=

4 Full range Speakers  
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_id=15&item_id=95103&locale=en_US&p_status=

2 Subwoofers (Punch Line)
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=4&series_id=31&family_id=11&item_id=108289&locale=en_US&p_status=

Soo, thats ten speakers total, add amps to power everything of course, and maybe a sound procsessor to tune it up. What else do i need to keep my car running? How big of an alternator, do i need caps? Help me out. Anything i should change. I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill. Good decision? Bad decision? As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important, and bass just needs to be there to fill out the sound, but at the same time, still bother old people. lol No offense to any elderly people who may be reading this thread.


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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/15/2008 10:12:29 PM   
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First let me answer your question you would probably need a Stinger alternator and battery, but let me tell you that about the only good thing Rockford make is their higher end amps, the rest is garbage.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 4:04:32 AM   
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keep in mind that your adding alot of weight to your car = slower and ill handeling.
I would run 1 sub,1 amp and 1 set of comps but if weight isnt a concern go for it.......

As for Fosgate,you could do alot better for the price...

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 4:51:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

The set-up I want includes:

All from Rockford Fosgate's Power Series Line, except for subwoofers.

2 component speaker systems
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_id=29&item_id=91973&locale=en_US&p_status=

4 Full range Speakers  
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_id=15&item_id=95103&locale=en_US&p_status=

2 Subwoofers (Punch Line)
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=4&series_id=31&family_id=11&item_id=108289&locale=en_US&p_status=

Soo, thats ten speakers total, add amps to power everything of course, and maybe a sound procsessor to tune it up. What else do i need to keep my car running? How big of an alternator, do i need caps? Help me out. Anything i should change. I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill. Good decision? Bad decision? As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important, and bass just needs to be there to fill out the sound, but at the same time, still bother old people. lol No offense to any elderly people who may be reading this thread.



Honestly that is a terrible setup.

Like excelerator said, your best bet is to buy two amps (one for the subs and one for the mids/highs). I would steer far away from rockford equipment becuase you can do much better for the money.

There is no sense in wasting that much money on 4 sets of crappy full range speakers and one set of comps, when a single comp set can get plenty loud. You could add an additional woofer to a comp set if you need a ton of midbass, but a well deadened and properly installed comp set will shake your pant leg plenty.


If you want some setup recommendations answer a couple questions....

How much do you want to spend?

Will you install yourself?

What type of music do you listen to?

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 8:14:41 AM   
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I'm not really worried about spending a ton of money. I was going to buy everything like one thing at a time, while im working on my dash and stuff but i need to figure out what im putting in the car soo i can figure out where im going to put everything. I'm not too worried about weight.

1. How much do i want to spend?

How much I spend isnt as important as that i get what i paid for. RF seems to be catching a bad rap here, what are some other suggestions? More than one company please. I guess it does matter how much i pay, as long as it's not much more than how much the RF stuff would have cost me.

2. Yes, I will install everything myself.

3. The only music I really listen to is Rock. I like some hybrid bands like linkin park, but a good mix of highs and lows are very important. I want to have a pretty balanced system, like the bass doesnt completly drown out vocals, among other things across the mid frequency.

Soo i need a stinger alternator and battery? How many amps, and a 2 cycle battery correct? Anything else? I just dont want my car dying on me all the time. That would be rather unpleasant.


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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 8:18:26 AM   
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10 speakers = too muny speakers.  Just because you have a place to put them more is not better and if it is not done really right it causes a horribly imaged system. 

in audio honestly it is a good general rule to remember the kiss theory and you can make great sound from a good set of componants up front in good locations(the stock sail panels are not good) and if you like rear fill then drop in a set of coax speakers, a sub er two and plenty of good clean power(here more IS generally better) and you will be enjoying your windows down all summer. 

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 8:35:26 AM   
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Fair enough, I'm still looking for some suggestions tho.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 10:43:09 AM   
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The question is still...

How much do you want to spend? It looks like you were willing to spend a fortune on that RF garbage, but a budget for the entire system is 100% neccessary to access what you need.

I can name amps that are amazing and cost thousands each, there are comp sets that are $7k each and subs well into the thousands as well. If you want an all out SPL system you will more then likely need to upgrade your charging system, but once again it depends on how much you want to spend....

How much do you want to spend?


How much you spend determines how large and effecient your amps are. I am running around 1500 watts rms in my stereo on a stock 70A nissan alt with an optima.  

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 12:20:57 PM   
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I do not want to spend any more than what i was going to spend on the rf garbage.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 12:26:24 PM   
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How much was that???

Were you planning on buying local or online? That makes a huge difference in price. How much did you have for a cap? Do you already have an aftermarket HU?

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 2:08:41 PM   
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Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart

NEVER PAY RETAIL !



rock on





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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 2:43:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: excelerater

Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart



Especially if that person shops frequently at best buy, or ever uses the phrases "hits", "pounds" or "bangs" when dicussing subs.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 2:44:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: excelerater

Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart

NEVER PAY RETAIL !



rock on

+1 Totally agree with you bro, everyone has different taste as to what sounds good.

But honestly since it sounds like you have already paid for your RF equipment go ahead and install it and see how you like the sound, if you dont like the way it sounds then you can sell it and get something else.






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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 2:56:08 PM   
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HOLD UP! I just thought about my last statement, so rewind a bit ! If you can? I say return the RF equipment or exchange it for good stuff! But If the person or place will not take it back then go ahead and try to sell it to a friend or just install it! Sorry guys I must of had a brain fart a second ago!

Where did you get your RF stuff from?

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 3:27:42 PM   
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quote:

I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill


But 10 speakers isn't?

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As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important


Last rap/hip hop song I listened to had vocals in it.

And youre going to be spending alot of money on a sub-par audio system, thats a side note.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/16/2008 7:15:54 PM   
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As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important


Last rap/hip hop song I listened to had vocals in it.

Neat-o

Soo, what are some better products? I have not bought the Rockford Fosgate equipment, just trying to put together a list of equipment I want in the car soo i can integrate it into the fabrication of my new dash and panels. Please stop asking how much money i want to spend also. I really dont know. Im not spending much more than 1000 on speakers tho, not including amps and such, but please give me some feedback on another company. Alpine? JL Audio? Why is RF soo terrible? A little more feedback besides they suck.



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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/17/2008 1:19:51 AM   
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I have used a couple of amps from the RF Power lineup, the T5002 and and my last one was a T15002.  I have had good experiences with both and they were great amps, but I wouldn't touch anything from the Punch series.  Like has been said, spend the money on some quality stuff.  I would imagine quite a few here are going to recommend items from companies such as RE Audio, Digital Designs, Diamond Audio, CDT, etc...  Go check a few of these companies websites and see what they can offer that you are looking for.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/17/2008 5:46:51 AM   
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Since I don't have a total budget, I'll assume you have a grand amps, a grand on subs, and the grand you mentioned for speakers.

Options for comps...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3084 $899

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5860 $999 (Three way setup might take some extra install work)

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5546 $719 (These are more then likely way to laid back for you, but have phenominal SQ)

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3411 $700 and really nice.

***Best deal of the bunch----- http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_23_128&products_id=679 $925 with an amp on an amazing 3 way setup!



Options for subs...

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_21&products_id=554 $350

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4920 $1169

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraudio.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=15482ed153d87da/shopdata/0015_BL/product_overview.shopscript Fi makes a great woofer at a great price... The BL is more then likely the type of sub you are looking for...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4943 $768 Great woofer but might be a little to much SQ oriented.


The amps really depend on the subs and speakers you get...

Amps for comps with...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=3744 $1000

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4288 $500

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5454 $800

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=47 $250 (Great value, but it is no audison, mcintosh or zapco)

Amp for subs...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4224 $339

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=5456 $1000

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=44 $295 (Not on the same level, but a good amp)



As you can see a total budget would be really helpful. In order to get the most for your money everything needs to be matched.







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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/17/2008 6:59:28 AM   
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What makes these speakers great, compared to other cheaper ones. I may have used the wrong terminoligy, but i meant 1,000 for all the speakers and the subs. A little more would be ok, and im not trying to make a comp set-up. Just something that sounds good for easy listening and is pretty loud. And.... and i would still like to know why RF sucks.

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RE: Can my car handle this much audio? - 5/17/2008 7:44:14 AM   
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quote:

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What makes these speakers great, compared to other cheaper ones. I may have used the wrong terminoligy, but i meant 1,000 for all the speakers and the subs. A little more would be ok, and im not trying to make a comp set-up. Just something that sounds good for easy listening and is pretty loud. And.... and i would still like to know why RF sucks.


Once you ever listen to the stuff they are trying to recommend to you, you will see why "RF sucks" and more than likely never go back to it.  And you can find alot of the things he mentioned online much cheaper on Ebay, etc...

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