The set-up I want includes:

All from Rockford Fosgate's Power Series Line, except for subwoofers.

2 component speaker systems
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_i d=29&item_id=91973&locale=en_US&p_status=

4 Full range Speakers
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_i d=15&item_id=95103&locale=en_US&p_status=

2 Subwoofers (Punch Line)
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=4&series_id=31&family_i d=11&item_id=108289&locale=en_US&p_status=

Soo, thats ten speakers total, add amps to power everything of course, and maybe a sound procsessor to tune it up. What else do i need to keep my car running? How big of an alternator, do i need caps? Help me out. Anything i should change. I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill. Good decision? Bad decision? As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important, and bass just needs to be there to fill out the sound, but at the same time, still bother old people. lol No offense to any elderly people who may be reading this thread.

First let me answer your question you would probably need a Stinger alternator and battery, but let me tell you that about the only good thing Rockford make is their higher end amps, the rest is garbage.

keep in mind that your adding alot of weight to your car = slower and ill handeling.
I would run 1 sub,1 amp and 1 set of comps but if weight isnt a concern go for it.......

As for Fosgate,you could do alot better for the price...

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

The set-up I want includes:

All from Rockford Fosgate's Power Series Line, except for subwoofers.

2 component speaker systems
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_i d=29&item_id=91973&locale=en_US&p_status=

4 Full range Speakers
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=3&series_id=34&family_i d=15&item_id=95103&locale=en_US&p_status=

2 Subwoofers (Punch Line)
http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?cat_id=4&series_id=31&family_i d=11&item_id=108289&locale=en_US&p_status=

Soo, thats ten speakers total, add amps to power everything of course, and maybe a sound procsessor to tune it up. What else do i need to keep my car running? How big of an alternator, do i need caps? Help me out. Anything i should change. I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill. Good decision? Bad decision? As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important, and bass just needs to be there to fill out the sound, but at the same time, still bother old people. lol No offense to any elderly people who may be reading this thread.



Honestly that is a terrible setup.

Like excelerator said, your best bet is to buy two amps (one for the subs and one for the mids/highs). I would steer far away from rockford equipment becuase you can do much better for the money.

There is no sense in wasting that much money on 4 sets of crappy full range speakers and one set of comps, when a single comp set can get plenty loud. You could add an additional woofer to a comp set if you need a ton of midbass, but a well deadened and properly installed comp set will shake your pant leg plenty.


If you want some setup recommendations answer a couple questions....

How much do you want to spend?

Will you install yourself?

What type of music do you listen to?

I'm not really worried about spending a ton of money. I was going to buy everything like one thing at a time, while im working on my dash and stuff but i need to figure out what im putting in the car soo i can figure out where im going to put everything. I'm not too worried about weight.

1. How much do i want to spend?

How much I spend isnt as important as that i get what i paid for. RF seems to be catching a bad rap here, what are some other suggestions? More than one company please. I guess it does matter how much i pay, as long as it's not much more than how much the RF stuff would have cost me.

2. Yes, I will install everything myself.

3. The only music I really listen to is Rock. I like some hybrid bands like linkin park, but a good mix of highs and lows are very important. I want to have a pretty balanced system, like the bass doesnt completly drown out vocals, among other things across the mid frequency.

Soo i need a stinger alternator and battery? How many amps, and a 2 cycle battery correct? Anything else? I just dont want my car dying on me all the time. That would be rather unpleasant.

10 speakers = too muny speakers. Just because you have a place to put them more is not better and if it is not done really right it causes a horribly imaged system.

in audio honestly it is a good general rule to remember the kiss theory and you can make great sound from a good set of componants up front in good locations(the stock sail panels are not good) and if you like rear fill then drop in a set of coax speakers, a sub er two and plenty of good clean power(here more IS generally better) and you will be enjoying your windows down all summer.

Fair enough, I'm still looking for some suggestions tho.

The question is still...

How much do you want to spend? It looks like you were willing to spend a fortune on that RF garbage, but a budget for the entire system is 100% neccessary to access what you need.

I can name amps that are amazing and cost thousandseach, there are comp sets that are $7k each and subswell into the thousands as well. If you want an all out SPL system you will more then likely need to upgrade your charging system, but once again it depends on how much you want to spend....

How much do you want to spend?


How much you spend determines how large and effecient your amps are. I am running around 1500 watts rms in my stereoon a stock 70A nissan alt with an optima.

I do not want to spend any more than what i was going to spend on the rf garbage.

How much was that???

Were you planning on buying local or online? That makes a huge difference in price.How much did you have for a cap? Do you already have an aftermarket HU?

Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart

NEVER PAY RETAIL !



rock on

ORIGINAL: excelerater

Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart



Especially if that person shops frequently at best buy, or ever uses the phrases "hits","pounds"or "bangs" when dicussing subs.

ORIGINAL: excelerater

Anyone can design a system,,,,,I have done so many I cant count anymore.....
One mans GREAT SQ is another mans "Hey that guy's car sounds like ass" so its all subjective........
DO your research,read reviews and buy smart

NEVER PAY RETAIL !



rock on

+1:)Totally agree with you bro, everyone has different taste as to what sounds good.

But honestly since it sounds like you have already paid for your RF equipment go ahead and install it and see how you like the sound, if you dont like the way it sounds then you can sell it and get something else.

HOLD UP!I just thought about my last statement, so rewind a bit ! If you can? I say return the RF equipment or exchange it for good stuff! But If the person or place will not take it back then go ahead and try to sell it to a friend or just install it! Sorry guys I must of had a brain fart a second ago!

Where did you get your RF stuff from?

I went with the punch line on subs because i thought anything from the power line would be overkill

But 10 speakers isn't?

As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important

Last rap/hip hop song I listened to had vocals in it.

And youre going to be spending alot of money on a sub-par audio system, thats a side note.

As a note as well, I'm not that big into hip hop, im more focussed on rock music, soo the vocals are really important

Last rap/hip hop song I listened to had vocals in it.

Neat-o

Soo, what are some better products? I have not bought the Rockford Fosgate equipment, just trying to put together a list of equipment I want in the car soo i can integrate it into the fabrication of my new dash and panels. Please stop asking how much money i want to spend also. I really dont know. Im not spending much more than 1000 on speakers tho, not including amps and such, but please give me some feedback on another company. Alpine? JL Audio? Why is RF soo terrible? A little more feedback besides they suck.

I have used a couple of amps from the RF Power lineup, the T5002 and and my last one was a T15002. I have had good experiences with both and they were great amps, but I wouldn't touch anything from the Punch series. Like has been said, spend the money on some quality stuff. I would imagine quite a few here are going to recommend items from companies such as RE Audio, Digital Designs, Diamond Audio, CDT, etc... Go check a few of these companies websites and see what they can offer that you are looking for.

Since I don't have a total budget, I'll assume you have a grand amps, a grand on subs, and the grand you mentioned for speakers.

Options for comps...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=30 84$899

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=58 60$999 (Three way setup might take some extra install work)

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=55 46$719 (These are more then likely way to laid back for you, but have phenominal SQ)

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=34 11$700 and really nice.

***Best deal of the bunch----- http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_23_128&products_id=679$92 5 with an amp on an amazing 3 way setup!



Options for subs...

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_21&products_id=554$350

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=49 20$1169

https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraudio.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=15482ed153d87da/shopdata/0015_BL/product_overview.shopscriptFi makes a great woofer at a great price... The BL is more then likely the type of sub you are looking for...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=49 43$768 Great woofer but might be a little to much SQ oriented.


The amps really depend on the subs and speakers you get...

Amps for comps with...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=37 44$1000

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=42 88$500

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=54 54$800

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=47$250 (Great value, but it is no audison, mcintosh or zapco)

Amp for subs...

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=42 24$339

http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=54 56$1000

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_22&products_id=44$295 (Not on the same level, but a good amp)



As you can see a total budget would be really helpful. In order to get the most for your money everything needs to be matched.

What makes these speakers great, compared to other cheaper ones. I may have used the wrong terminoligy, but i meant 1,000 for all the speakers and the subs. A little more would be ok,and im not trying to make a comp set-up. Just something that sounds good for easy listening and is pretty loud. And.... and i would still like to know why RF sucks.

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

What makes these speakers great, compared to other cheaper ones. I may have used the wrong terminoligy, but i meant 1,000 for all the speakers and the subs. A little more would be ok,and im not trying to make a comp set-up. Just something that sounds good for easy listening and is pretty loud. And.... and i would still like to know why RF sucks.


Once you ever listen to the stuff they are trying to recommend to you, you will see why "RF sucks" and more than likely never go back to it. And you can find alot of the things he mentioned online much cheaper on Ebay, etc...

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

What makes these speakers great, compared to other cheaper ones. I may have used the wrong terminoligy, but i meant 1,000 for all the speakers and the subs. A little more would be ok,and im not trying to make a comp set-up. Just something that sounds good for easy listening and is pretty loud. And.... and i would still like to know why RF sucks.


Like I said, everything really needs to be matched. Does the $1000 include the amps, wiring, and a HU. I really need a total budget to make recommendations. You will not get good results from buying a hodge podge of equipment and throwing it in....

That setup you had above looks like it would total at least $2k.


RF doesn't 1005 suck. They make some decent amps and used to make a phenominal SQ HU (It was a rebadged Denon unit), but subs and speakers leave a lot to be desired. You can also do much better for the money then RFequipment unless you get their amps at cost. Rockford amps are their only product I would touch with a 10 foot pole.

ORIGINAL: PReal

Rockford amps are their only product I would touch with a 10 foot pole.



And make that the Power Series at that.

Alright right on. What about some opinions of some more commercial companies like Alpine and Kicker? Your Thoughts please. Even if they do sound good people respond better to things they're heard of.

Alpine makes some decent products.I just installed a PDX amp and although overpriced for its power output, the size of those ampsare very nice. They also make some of the better HU's on the market. I prefer eclipse, butI would buy an alpine if the price was right.Also, their $7k comp set is supposed to be pretty nice.

Kicker makes nothing that sounds good. Thier subs get loud, but other brands provide just as much SPL (loudness) with much much greater sound quality!



You might respond better to brands you have heard of, but if you buy them you are wasting a great deal of money.The brands they sell in retail stores are brands that 16 year old kids with V6 camero's and mustangs buy. You don't want to run in that crowd. If you shop at best buy you might as well put altezza's on your mustang and start wearing a visor upside down and backwards...

There are a number of us that have been playing and working with audio for a while and have gained knowledge of what to buy and what not to buy. If you want to buy something becuase of the name go ahead, but when you heara stereo thatwe put together for half the price and are blown away, don't say we didn't warn you.


Mainstream companies spend money are marketing, word of mouth companies spend money on engineering and let thier products do the advertising.

i have 10 speakers in my car + 2 subs and 2 amps which are...4xpioneer 5x7"s and upgraded mach audio door tweeters, 2 power acoustic tweeters, 2 pioneer 6x9"s, 2 mtx 7500 12s, 1 mtx 800watt rms mono block amp and 1 mtx 75wattx4. i hit 119+db in just highs but weight is an issue.

ORIGINAL: PReal

Alpine makes some decent products.I just installed a PDX amp and although overpriced for its power output, the size of those ampsare very nice. They also make some of the better HU's on the market. I prefer eclipse, butI would buy an alpine if the price was right.Also, their $7k comp set is supposed to be pretty nice.

Kicker makes nothing that sounds good. Thier subs get loud, but other brands provide just as much SPL (loudness) with much much greater sound quality!



You might respond better to brands you have heard of, but if you buy them you are wasting a great deal of money.The brands they sell in retail stores are brands that 16 year old kids with V6 camero's and mustangs buy. You don't want to run in that crowd. If you shop at best buy you might as well put altezza's on your mustang and start wearing a visor upside down and backwards...

There are a number of us that have been playing and working with audio for a while and have gained knowledge of what to buy and what not to buy. If you want to buy something becuase of the name go ahead, but when you heara stereo thatwe put together for half the price and are blown away, don't say we didn't warn you.


Mainstream companies spend money are marketing, word of mouth companies spend money on engineering and let thier products do the advertising.


Well Said. I will no longer mention anything like that, because you guys obviously know what you're talking about. What are some company websites i can check out.

ORIGINAL: JTE_502

I have used a couple of amps from the RF Power lineup, the T5002 and and my last one was a T15002. I have had good experiences with both and they were great amps, but I wouldn't touch anything from the Punch series. Like has been said, spend the money on some quality stuff. I would imagine quite a few here are going to recommend items from companies such as RE Audio, Digital Designs, Diamond Audio, CDT, etc... Go check a few of these companies websites and see what they can offer that you are looking for.


And another one would be Elemental Designs...

Elemental designs

Digital designs

Sundown audio

CDT Audio

Fi car audio

Audison

RE

Sound Splinter

ETC...

ORIGINAL: stangant

i have 10 speakers in my car + 2 subs and 2 amps which are...4xpioneer 5x7"s and upgraded mach audio door tweeters, 2 power acoustic tweeters, 2 pioneer 6x9"s, 2 mtx 7500 12s, 1 mtx 800watt rms mono block amp and 1 mtx 75wattx4. i hit 119+db in just highs but weight is an issue.




If I fart and hold a mic to my rear I can get 120db...

ORIGINAL: PReal

Elemental designs

Digital designs

Sundown audio

CDT Audio

Fi car audio

Audison

RE

Sound Splinter

ETC...


I switched to FI earlier this year and was really impressed with the Q sub.....
I have one ported with an eD 9.1 amp in my truck,,,,,killer combo...

I was thinking of adding an FI SSD to my new stang (ported 10) powered by a DLS A5(3 channel)
along with my AURA MR62 comps...Keep it simple,small and light..

sorry to highjack[sm=oopssign.gif]

Most of those companies only make subs. I'd like all my speakers to be the same brand. CDT was the only company that made both subs and speakers. They didnt look bad but i would like some more comparisons.

wait wait, are the 5 x 7 and 6 x 9's either a coax or triax? if so then those speakers counts as 2 or 3 speakers each so you could actually have alot more but you still have room. I would recomend at LEAST one more set of 'by nines and at LEAST 3 ways to get you 6 more speakers to your total.

when it comes to speakes more is ALWASY better........ ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: stangant

i have 10 speakers in my car + 2 subs and 2 amps which are...4xpioneer 5x7"s and upgraded mach audio door tweeters, 2 power acoustic tweeters, 2 pioneer 6x9"s, 2 mtx 7500 12s, 1 mtx 800watt rms mono block amp and 1 mtx 75wattx4. i hit 119+db in just highs but weight is an issue.

Why do You want Your speakers to match?

Do You always match Your hat to Your shoes to Your belt?

no.

Now buy decent audio, kid.

diamond makes all of the above...great amps,great subs and decent comps

Fail.

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

Most of those companies only make subs. I'd like all my speakers to be the same brand. CDT was the only company that made both subs and speakers. They didnt look bad but i would like some more comparisons.


Geez man, have you not checked any of the sites of the companies that we have mentioned here??? RE, DD, ED, Diamond, CDT, etc all make all sorts of various stereo components. You are asking for advice and many are giving it to you, but then you don't seem to listen to it so far...and as was mentioned, why does it even matter that they all come from the same company?

It matters to me. I'm spending the money. Enough Said. Also, i am listening to everything that is being said. I have agreed that RF and other commercial companies are probably a bad idea. I'm not going to do exactly what you say. I'm just asking for advice about something I know absolutely nothing about apparently, I'm am trying to learn some stuff about these companies. I know there are tons of companies out there and im sure there are more. I have pulled up the companies website for every site listed. I may have overlooked something. If my questions are bothering you, feel free to not respond, but if you would like to help me, please do. When it comes to my car, I AM VERY VERY PARTICULAR! I love my car and want an awesome system to go with my fiberglass interior. It matters because all of my speakers will be completly visible. If they dont match it looks tacky.

And I do match my belt with my shoes!!! However, i do not wear hats.... lol

ORIGINAL: ttocs

wait wait, are the 5 x 7 and 6 x 9's either a coax or triax? if so then those speakers counts as 2 or 3 speakers each so you could actually have alot more but you still have room. I would recomend at LEAST one more set of 'by nines and at LEAST 3 ways to get you 6 more speakers to your total.

when it comes to speakes more is ALWASY better........ ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: stangant

i have 10 speakers in my car + 2 subs and 2 amps which are...4xpioneer 5x7"s and upgraded mach audio door tweeters, 2 power acoustic tweeters, 2 pioneer 6x9"s, 2 mtx 7500 12s, 1 mtx 800watt rms mono block amp and 1 mtx 75wattx4. i hit 119+db in just highs but weight is an issue.




there all 3ways but i think im good with what i got, now comes the performance.

We are all trying to help you, and we told you the companies websites to go look at, and you came back saying they all just sell subwoofers...you have asked the same question multiple times and the answers are still the same everytime. Go look at the companies websites that we have listed for you, they sell more than just subwoofers. You say you want an awesome system, but then say you want it to look great. If you want an awesome system than you are more than likely going to have more than one brand in your car. And it doesn't look "tacky" at all to have different brands, pretty much the only people you will ever see with the same brand of everything is a person sponsered by that company...

I only asked a question more than once when things were not explained very well, and my questions were not answered to a complete extent. Regardless, I checked out Diamond Audio from JTE's post before last, and I really liked how they look, and they have speakers, amps and subs! Whoo hoo! Are all of their speakers good, or just certain ones?

I've only used their D6 subwoofer, and I have it for sale right now as I'm upgrading, but it is a good sub for the price. I have a set of their Hex components that I'm getting ready to install, so can't give you any info on them, but alot of guys on here have had them and really like them. I'm also getting ready to use their D5 series of amps, which they do not make anymore, but I haven't used them yet but I've heard alot of good things. I'm going to be running the D5 600.1 on the components and two 1200.1's on two RE Audio SX 12"s. Alot of guys on here run Diamond stuff, so you should get quite a bit of good feedback on them.

Explain to me again how everyone is going to be able to see all Your speakers?

And I guess Your plans fails now, because all of those companies don't make headunits.

And being the metro You are, I'm sure You will have a piss fit if Your car's cd player doesn't bear the same name as Your speakers and speaker wire...wait a second...

[&:][&:]

If you want everything to have the same name on it, your only choice is pretty much Eclipse.


I take that back, just run Dual. They make good everything and it all looks cool too.

I really don't understand this whole matching thing when it comes to everything.

My amps are both Diamond Audio D5's, my headunit and sub are Eclipse and my speakers are CDT. I considered buying some Diamond HEX components, but my CDT's sound better and were less expensive. I never considered buying a Diamond sub becuase the only one decent enough to buy was the TDX and I didn't have 2k watts to send it...

If you are concerned with looks, it really doesn't matter what we say. This is an audio forum not a fashion show.

ORIGINAL: ttocs

wait wait, are the 5 x 7 and 6 x 9's either a coax or triax? if so then those speakers counts as 2 or 3 speakers each so you could actually have alot more but you still have room. I would recomend at LEAST one more set of 'by nines and at LEAST 3 ways to get you 6 more speakers to your total.

when it comes to speakes more is ALWASY better........ ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: stangant

i have 10 speakers in my car + 2 subs and 2 amps which are...4xpioneer 5x7"s and upgraded mach audio door tweeters, 2 power acoustic tweeters, 2 pioneer 6x9"s, 2 mtx 7500 12s, 1 mtx 800watt rms mono block amp and 1 mtx 75wattx4. i hit 119+db in just highs but weight is an issue.




Scott, that rates #1when it comes to your posts.

I have pretty much owned at one point or another every diamond woofer...
D3,D6 and TDX (D9)..........(and a few older models no longer in production)
D3s are cheap,great entry level woofer...I had one in my chics car for a while,they can take alot of abuse
D6s are the best bang for the buck ,cheap to buy and sound great...I have had several sealed and ported...
D9s are better of course but need alot of power\Again I have had several sealed and ported (I have one for sale too)
HEX Comps are down to 200.00 a pair,I dont like them but alot of peeps do..I think they lack midbass...
D6 amps are awsome,cant go wrong and they are nice and underrated...I own several

ORIGINAL: excelerater

I have pretty much owned at one point or another every diamond woofer...
D3,D6 and TDX (D9)..........(and a few older models no longer in production)
D3s are cheap,great entry level woofer...I had one in my chics car for a while,they can take alot of abuse
D6s are the best bang for the buck ,cheap to buy and sound great...I have had several sealed and ported...
D9s are better of course but need alot of power\Again I have had several sealed and ported (I have one for sale too)
HEX Comps are down to 200.00 a pair,I dont like them but alot of peeps do..I think they lack midbass...
D6 amps are awsome,cant go wrong and they are nice and underrated...I own several


You really have too much of a thing for diamond audio. You can do much better then thier subs for the money...

ORIGINAL: PReal

ORIGINAL: excelerater

I have pretty much owned at one point or another every diamond woofer...
D3,D6 and TDX (D9)..........(and a few older models no longer in production)
D3s are cheap,great entry level woofer...I had one in my chics car for a while,they can take alot of abuse
D6s are the best bang for the buck ,cheap to buy and sound great...I have had several sealed and ported...
D9s are better of course but need alot of power\Again I have had several sealed and ported (I have one for sale too)
HEX Comps are down to 200.00 a pair,I dont like them but alot of peeps do..I think they lack midbass...
D6 amps are awsome,cant go wrong and they are nice and underrated...I own several


You really have too much of a thing for diamond audio. You can do much better then thier subs for the money...


I no longer have anything for diamond,hence the words at one point or another.....and FOR SALE
I used to have a buddy who worked up at Diamond so I got a few deals in my day and did a few installs thats all......
You have too much of a thing for eD.......:eek:

ORIGINAL: excelerater

ORIGINAL: PReal

ORIGINAL: excelerater

I have pretty much owned at one point or another every diamond woofer...
D3,D6 and TDX (D9)..........(and a few older models no longer in production)
D3s are cheap,great entry level woofer...I had one in my chics car for a while,they can take alot of abuse
D6s are the best bang for the buck ,cheap to buy and sound great...I have had several sealed and ported...
D9s are better of course but need alot of power\Again I have had several sealed and ported (I have one for sale too)
HEX Comps are down to 200.00 a pair,I dont like them but alot of peeps do..I think they lack midbass...
D6 amps are awsome,cant go wrong and they are nice and underrated...I own several


You really have too much of a thing for diamond audio. You can do much better then thier subs for the money...


I no longer have anything for diamond,hence the words at one point or another.....and FOR SALE
I used to have a buddy who worked up at Diamond so I got a few deals in my day and did a few installs thats all......
You have too much of a thing for eD.......:eek:



That seems to be the only brand you recommend and it is the same setup for anyone.....

I love my diamond equipment, but let go of thediamond viagra.

ORIGINAL: PReal

ORIGINAL: excelerater

ORIGINAL: PReal

ORIGINAL: excelerater

I have pretty much owned at one point or another every diamond woofer...
D3,D6 and TDX (D9)..........(and a few older models no longer in production)
D3s are cheap,great entry level woofer...I had one in my chics car for a while,they can take alot of abuse
D6s are the best bang for the buck ,cheap to buy and sound great...I have had several sealed and ported...
D9s are better of course but need alot of power\Again I have had several sealed and ported (I have one for sale too)
HEX Comps are down to 200.00 a pair,I dont like them but alot of peeps do..I think they lack midbass...
D6 amps are awsome,cant go wrong and they are nice and underrated...I own several


You really have too much of a thing for diamond audio. You can do much better then thier subs for the money...


I no longer have anything for diamond,hence the words at one point or another.....and FOR SALE
I used to have a buddy who worked up at Diamond so I got a few deals in my day and did a few installs thats all......
You have too much of a thing for eD.......:eek:



That seems to be the only brand you recommend and it is the same setup for anyone.....

I love my diamond equipment, but let go of thediamond viagra.


I love my ADS 356 comps (now called PPI)
and my FI Q subwoofer - No viagra here

ORIGINAL: JTE_502

I've only used their D6 subwoofer, and I have it for sale right now as I'm upgrading, but it is a good sub for the price. I have a set of their Hex components that I'm getting ready to install, so can't give you any info on them, but alot of guys on here have had them and really like them. I'm also getting ready to use their D5 series of amps, which they do not make anymore, but I haven't used them yet but I've heard alot of good things. I'm going to be running the D5 600.1 on the components and two 1200.1's on two RE Audio SX 12"s. Alot of guys on here run Diamond stuff, so you should get quite a bit of good feedback on them.


Dude I ran 2 1200.1's(1 on each D9) in my 97 blazer I had a Stinger battery and a RF 50 farad cap. Just a fair warning you better get yourself a Stinger alternator (250+amps)1st or your gonna fry your alternator with a quickness! And I have had Diamond Hex series and the only comps that i have personally heard that sounded better is made by Canton. So you will be plenty happy with your Hex series, i had mine hooked up to 2 different amps a Diamond D5 600.4 and a Diamond D5 300.2 both sounded good. Diamond D5 amps are excellent amps !

Soo the hex series from diamond is really good then? I'll probably get those then. What kind of subs should i get? Which are the best, since apparently the ones from diamond aren't up to par with the incredibly high standards of this forum group? Could someone also explain what makes certain amps better than others. The subs will be in the trunk anyway. They dont have to match, and neither does the headunit, I'm not buying a new one.

What type of music do You listen to and what is Your budget?

SPL or SQ?

Answer those 3 questions and we will moe on to what will best suite You.

ORIGINAL: Hisss04Cobra

What type of music do You listen to and what is Your budget?

SPL or SQ?

Answer those 3 questions and we will moe on to what will best suite You.



I've been asking the budgetquestion for the past 4 pages...

He has $1000 for speakers and subs.... Amps, HU, Wiring, Box, ETC I have no clue..

One Hifonics Brutus 2000w
+
Two bls from FI
or
Two DD351


And have a good day.

Ya know what, nevermind I'll go to another forum. I've answered that question numerous times. You guys would all make excellent salesman! HA! Thank you to everyone that actually gave me some input. I appreciate it. I'm looking at diamond and CDT, if someone could give me some info on some affordable subs that kick ass at a reasonable price, send me a PM. Thanks!

LOL

hey, another happy customer:eek:

sadley that is the way it goes here. I think there is a is actually a conspriracy that is being led by a camaro or lt1 forum sometimes.

It's sad when a few people ruin it for everybody. I am by no means leaving this forum, but i think I'll be steering clear of the Audio section from now on.

More power to You Princess.

Just be careful on the way out, and don't let the door hit You in the vagina.

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

Ya know what, nevermind I'll go to another forum. I've answered that question numerous times. You guys would all make excellent salesman! HA! Thank you to everyone that actually gave me some input. I appreciate it. I'm looking at diamond and CDT, if someone could give me some info on some affordable subs that kick ass at a reasonable price, send me a PM. Thanks!


Direct from page two... but with added components that they make.

Elemental designs - Good Subs

Digital designs - Great Subs

Sundown audio - Great Amps

CDT Audio - Good and Great Speakers

Fi car audio -Great Subs

Audison - Great Amps

RE - Great Subs

Sound Splinter - Great Subs



If you have $1000 total budget total you are going to be very limited on the greatness of the equipment you can buy. I still don't know if you have an aftermarket CD player and if the $1000 budget you mentioned for speakers inlcudes amps, wiring, box supplies and a HU.

If you could purchase the huge setup you mentioned first for $1000, I'd buy it then sell all the different pieces on ebay and make another grand.

Well for speakers i think i want to go CDT. Wouldthe CL series be ok, or should i go with the HD series. I cant afford the ES series. I was looking at diamond too. They had been mentioned a few times? Would they be a good alternative to CDT, or should i definetly go with CDT. I think i want to go with soundsplinter on subs, these http://www.soundsplinter.com/rlp12_subwoofer_information.html. Would those sound good?

Soundspliter makes great subs. I personally would buy something from Fi car audio. They are the original designers or the Resonent Engineering subs and I have not heardone yet, but based on my passed experiences with RE they will be amazing.

I would go with the HD comp set or the EF-61G's. DLS makes really nice comps to, but it really depends on how much you want to spend.


I know it sounds like we keep harking on the budget, but it is very important.

CDT makes some great speakers, but to buy them over another brand price not considered is very foolish. i.e. I might buy some Cadence comps instead of the S60's based off of what I have heard and I would get some DLS iridiums before I buy a $1000 CDT comp set.

ED makes some great products for the money, but I would never recommend thier products to someone that has enough money to get them better value equipment. The reason I never recommend JL is not becuase they don't make great equipment, it is the fact that thier equipment can be beat for the same money.

A total budget would allow us to recommend the best possible setup for the money based on our past experiences. $1000 on speakers and subs is a good start, but you are always as weak as your latest link. Without a budget for amps, wiring, box construction, sound deadening and possibly an HU I have no idea what to tell you to look into.

I'm just trying to help, and to help I need a total budget. There are lots of good brands out there, but spending a couple hundred of dollars on sound deadening will ususally make a much bigger difference then spending an extra couple hundred dollars on speakers when you have a $1000 budget.

There is really a lot more to this then buying stuff and just putting into the car. I don't want you to have a $2000 system that doesn't sound as good as the free system I put in my mustang.

There is really a lot more to this then buying stuff and just putting into the car. I don't want you to have a $2000 system that doesn't sound as good as the free system I put in my mustang. -PReal

Lol that is an excellent point. I do have a budget to a certain point. You mentioned some other comp speakers in the previous post. Tell me about them, I'd like to have the best for the money, and dont really mind spending a little extra. As far as subs go i just picked one from the list that had great subs next to it. Fi would be fine, which ones do i need, I'd like 12's.

As far as the rest of the budget is concerned, i dont planon skimping on it, just hadn't really mentioned it yet. I will probably be making my own box, ported of course, and could use some input on what sound deadening to use as well as wiring. I do not need a head unit. I have a good one, and i like it pretty well.

The more you spend on speakers the smaller the difference you get for the money.

The quality/price curve is steep at the bottom, but as you start spending more and more it levels out.

DLS makes some amazing comps, but they range between $500 and $1000 for a set that is better then a $500 set of CDT's. They will sound better at a higher price but anything CDT makes under $400-$500 is going to be very competitive for the money.

That is why a total budget is so important. Do some thinking and give me a number. That number tells us what level of quality you expect and what price you will pay.

ORIGINAL: 94gtbuilder

There is really a lot more to this then buying stuff and just putting into the car. I don't want you to have a $2000 system that doesn't sound as good as the free system I put in my mustang. -PReal

Lol that is an excellent point. I do have a budget to a certain point. You mentioned some other comp speakers in the previous post. Tell me about them, I'd like to have the best for the money, and dont really mind spending a little extra. As far as subs go i just picked one from the list that had great subs next to it. Fi would be fine, which ones do i need, I'd like 12's.

As far as the rest of the budget is concerned, i dont planon skimping on it, just hadn't really mentioned it yet. I will probably be making my own box, ported of course, and could use some input on what sound deadening to use as well as wiring. I do not need a head unit. I have a good one, and i like it pretty well.



You have 2 choices really........read reviews online of products and take a leap of faith that the reviewers arent tone deaf like the ones on Crutchfeild then start shopping
or
copy a system you heard and or copy a system based on someones respected opinion(a salesman,a friend,a internet audio junky........

Your not going to get a recipe for a system here,just arguments...

Ok well to take a small step back away from brand right now, I'd like to talk about how many speakers I'd like to go along with a budget. I'd like to have 2 3 way comps, 2 speakers for the rear deck for fill in, and 2 12' subs, and whatever amps are suggested that will work well. I am not including sound deadening and wiring in the budget below, and am still looking for some input in that area, as far as where to put it, and how to wire things up to get the best sound. That also does not include materials for the sub box.

As far as price is concerned I personally only want to spend about 1,500 dollars because a friend of mine owns a speaker store and he's gonna get me everything at wholesale, generally about 40% off retail, soo he says. Based off that I can probably safely go up to $2,500 and still not be too much over my budget since im getting them soo cheap. I hope this helps PReal, and It can go over a few hundred dollars if its really worth it.

That really helps, but I have a couple more questions...

Any reason why you want two sets of three ways? My 2 ways with proper deadening, installation and power are loud enough to make my ears hurt.


I will make my recommendations for a $2500 budget...

I'd like it to be pretty loud, i guess for bragging rights, and I'm going to be taking it to shows and stuff, once I'm done with it.

Two sets of 3 ways is far too excessive, unless your putting this system in a school bus.

A solid 2 or 3 way is more than enough for any car, truck, SUV...

[sm=funnypostabove.gif] 2 sets of 3 ways............

Lol i didnt know. You guys are not very forgiving. :( I guess thats how you learn tho right.

Front Comps: http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=43 63$899 (They will get very very loud and still sound good, they are not an all out SQ set but should do the trick for you)

Comp Amp: http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=42 88$500

Sub: BL12 https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraudio.com/sess/utn;jsessionid=154835a3cc64e67/shopdata/0015_BL/product_overview.shopscript$260

Sub Amp: http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=42 24$340

That totals right under $2000 without box or wiring. You will need a 1/0 wiring kit that splits off into two 4 guage connections.

Ok awesome. I kinda wanted two subs for visual reasons but since its 1000 watts rms, that would be kind of rediculous with two. What about two speakers for the rear deck, and an amp for them?

One is better...

Like... I am loud as ****. And I am only running one woofer. Suck it bitches.

the kid is gonna go deaf,200x2 is heavy duty and overkill,I have 150x2 in my truck and I cant get past 3/4 volume and 900 bucks is a bit steep for comps IMO
Good luck installing all that stuff cause its alot of hardware not too mention heavy......... but if your looking for GUNG HO make sure you have a great installer
or better learn DIY ASAP cause I wouldent let anyone touch that stuff but myself..
You do want rear deck speakers EVER...... they will ruin all your imaging in a small car...I have 2 cars with systems and none have rear speakers by my design..
Your better off with the FI Q vs the BL,the BL is more SPL and the Q gets loud as F!@!K....
I run a Q in my truck,PWNS !

k, i guess no rear speakers then.

You can run rear fill, it's just alot of extra cash and work for minimal gain. Some mids with a range of 400-1200 hz (depending on taste, most do from 500-1000 though) is about right what you want as rear fill.

Like said, I would not run rear fill. Your ears are going to bleed already, why cheapin it with some sub par rear speakers.


I think you are a little more suited to the BL since you are a little more into SPL. Feel free to get either the BL or Q by Fi. Throw it in a ported enclosure, and call it a day.

thanks for all the help