Instead of answering my post in an earlier post, the entire thread was deleted. So I'll pose my question here.

Why do non-technical threads keep getting moved or deleted? It seems we have a few over-zealous mods here. This section is dedicated to the S197 community. I love Mustangs, but as you can tell, I'm a S197 nut. And for that, I generally only come to the S197 section. I don't browse the Photo section or OT section much, because I usually want to see S197 related things. 80% of threads in the S197 section are not technical, but remain. Yet quite a few threads get moved and deleted arbitrarily, because someone is in a bad mood and feels like exercising their E-Peen. If it's related to S197s, it should be left in the S197 area if that's where the original poster intended it to be. We have separate S197 V6 and V8 technical forums. If I want to post pictures of my S197's in this section, that's where they should say. If someone wants to talk about what they like about their S197, it should stay here. I'm the mod of another prominent board of the Mustang community, and we would never do that. It's really making me consider leaving the site. There's tons of people on here, which I really like. But when I make a post, or am trying to watch a thread, it's very annoying to come back and find it missing. And when ever any opposition to the moderation on the board comes up, the thread suddenly disappears without a trace... as this one most likely will.

This is my plea to the mods. Leave S197 related threads where the original poster intended them, so long as they comply with the MF TOS. This is the main section, and the place where people come for S197 related talk and tech. Don't take the talk out.

i have no clue what thread you are talking about......:eek:

well, i dont think there should be a problem with threads being moved, because when a thread is moved, it's not deleted. it just says MOVED: blahblahblah

i guess the only negative about a thread being moved is that it just keeps going lower and lower down the list, since it can't be bumped up in the section it was originally posted in [&:]

anyways, hope you feel better

You have to see where other people are coming from. Some people come in here for tech stuff only. If I want non-tech stuff, Ill go to the other sections. Im not trying to sound like an ass, but Im sure the threads that are not tech related will eventually get moved or deleted. Theres a reason why there are specific sections.

come to think of it, i actually understand what the OP is trying to say.
for example, i get happy (yep, i get excited, in anticipation to see everyone's beautiful rides:D) when theres a "NEW PICS" thread in the s197 section, but i'd probably get annoyed looking in the photo section, as i couldn't care less about looking at guys' fox bodies.
no offense, but i think fox bodies are pretty damn ugly [X(]

i let the pics threads go for until they are a couple pages deep or a few days old. We created the photo forum for this sole purpose. So if someone wants to go look at sweet rides, there is a section just for them.....

If you can tell me why ranting about gas prices or how bitching becuase you got speeding ticket is related to tech i would also like to know......These are clearly OT

ORIGINAL: howarmat

i let the pics threads go for until they are a couple pages deep or a few days old. We created the photo forum for this sole purpose. So if someone wants to go look at sweet rides, there is a section just for them.....

If you can tell me why ranting about gas prices or how bitching becuase you got speeding ticket is related to tech i would also like to know......These are clearly OT



well for one...gas prices rising means less hot rodding the car because of the supercharger needing more fuel, so it costs more to run going WOT or partial throttle even and it's the main deterrent to me getting a forged internal assembly so I can up the boost.

2nd because a speeding ticket could be related to the technical part because their mods got them to that speed:D

Idk lol just thought I'd have some fun with that[8D]

ORIGINAL: howarmat

i let the pics threads go for until they are a couple pages deep or a few days old. We created the photo forum for this sole purpose. So if someone wants to go look at sweet rides, there is a section just for them.....

If you can tell me why ranting about gas prices or how bitching becuase you got speeding ticket is related to tech i would also like to know......These are clearly OT



yes i totally agree. the threads about gas prices and speeding tickets should go into OT.
i also think the threads that go along the lines of "I GOT KEYED" should be sent int OT. i mean, i feel sympathy and sorrow for you, but if youre not asking how to get it fixed, then dont post. seriously, what do u want people online to do for you.. send you money through paypal? gain self-esteem and happiness from their comments? the comments are always along the lines of "im so sorry dude" or "wow i cant believe there are such assholes out there" or "this is why i park as far from everyone as i can"... :eek: [sm=rant.gif]

idk i took a whole mess of pics to put up to show the newer mods, but mainly due to the spike in interest in my wheel job i did...was moved to photo section, then i had to post pics in other threads on top of that anyway...but then again, they were some really good pics with scenery, etc. so it's mk...i started wandering to other parts recently...if you wanna laugh ur ass off, go to OT it's great...photo section is cool, esp the "other rides" part...good to see i'm not the only one with some old muscle

I agree with the OP for the most part. I don't venture out of the S197 section except to look into the V6 subsection. So I understand what you are saying and it bugs me sometimes but there has to be some type of control with this many people and threads so they have to draw the line somewhere. But I have no problem with photo threads being in the S197 sections. Maybe the I GOT KEYED threads should be moved to the OT but usually they post those right after it happens and are furious and just go to their comfort zone in the S197 section.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT


Why do non-technical threads keep getting moved or deleted?



wait what!? why do non-technical threads get moved out of the tech section? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/smartassmart/smilies/dunno1.gif ....hmmmmmgood question...








[&:]

Now I understand both ends of the story....yours and ours. This IS a tech forum and all the mods were instructed to try to keep it a TECH forum. I personally feel that this section (that I obviously moderate in) is an O.T. S197 section and as long as the fights and internet pissing matches keep to a minimum I could not possibly move all the O.T. threads in this section to the appropriate sections as the S197 section would be obsolete!(or extremely small). I love my S197 just as much as the next guy and the little power I have has definitely NOT gone to either of my heads. I appreciate the fact you come to this section for most of your forum needs and if anyone read the forum stickies as often as they post in the wrong sections this would not even be a problem. I am a member of many other mustang forums and know some of the owners and the other forums I troll on are very tech related unlike this S197 section. I understand this section for many is like home and family with many relationships formed as a result. I too have many friends who are members on this site from all over the country. What I do not appreciate is the disrespect that you are showing by posting this thread on the open S197 forum instead of coming to any of the moderators in this section or any other section for that matter and presented your problem via PM/email (i.e. deleted thread or moved thread with/without a tracer). This is the reason you are lashing out and personally if you are a mod on another forum you should know this could have been handled differently and in a much better way than calling out the section moderators for the S197 section. Yes- this thread will get moved or deleted but not for a few days so the other members can read what is going on and respond to what we have to say in response to your thread. That being said I hope you don't decide to leave the forum but should you decide to I am sure you will be missed by those you have forged friendships with already on this forum. [sm=rant.gif] J - S197 section moderator ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

Instead of answering my post in an earlier post, the entire thread was deleted. So I'll pose my question here.

Why do non-technical threads keep getting moved or deleted? It seems we have a few over-zealous mods here. This section is dedicated to the S197 community. I love Mustangs, but as you can tell, I'm a S197 nut. And for that, I generally only come to the S197 section. I don't browse the Photo section or OT section much, because I usually want to see S197 related things. 80% of threads in the S197 section are not technical, but remain. Yet quite a few threads get moved and deleted arbitrarily, because someone is in a bad mood and feels like exercising their E-Peen. If it's related to S197s, it should be left in the S197 area if that's where the original poster intended it to be. We have separate S197 V6 and V8 technical forums. If I want to post pictures of my S197's in this section, that's where they should say. If someone wants to talk about what they like about their S197, it should stay here. I'm the mod of another prominent board of the Mustang community, and we would never do that. It's really making me consider leaving the site. There's tons of people on here, which I really like. But when I make a post, or am trying to watch a thread, it's very annoying to come back and find it missing. And when ever any opposition to the moderation on the board comes up, the thread suddenly disappears without a trace... as this one most likely will.

This is my plea to the mods. Leave S197 related threads where the original poster intended them, so long as they comply with the MF TOS. This is the main section, and the place where people come for S197 related talk and tech. Don't take the talk out.

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is compleatly different.

I agree with the op in a way and then dont in a way.

I am a webmaster and own about a dozen websites and there is always room for improvement.

onlythingI can recomend is making a photo section for each body style wich stays in there section. I am here for 2005-and up stangs and I dont ever wander anywhere else and Did not even know about the photo section untill somebody linked me to it and it seems that they dont get very many hits there compared to what they would in there proper section. I love picture post but people also go over kill sometimes with "hey look at my rims" and they are the same DD bullitts that 76,000 other forum members have and then a stock stang. But everbody is proud of there cars and excited about modding so its understandable.

I myself am amature/semi prophotographer who takes pretty sweet pics I must say (I do get tons of pms whenI post pics for screen savers etc:D)find it kind of dissapointing when I take pride in shooting and want to share with my fellow s197 MF and the rest in general but mainly the s197'ers and it gets moved to the pic section where it ends up getting 200 hits then moved down the line cause all of the other yrs of cars pics been posted. originally when I started on this forum I posted 2 threads with some pics I took and they ended up getting over 2000 hits and 7 plus pages of feed back and disscusion wich was great and the reason whyI took the pics in the first place to show fellow s197 owners what a sexy beast they really own can look like with some creative photography.

Thats my 2 cents but I think that can and will help with some of the crying about post been moved, I only really notice the pic post been moved anyway.

p.s go look at my blog now dammitt;) http://mustangmugshots.blogspot.com/

This site is awesome! But, It has a lot of sections. I hate having to go back and forth. So, I just come to the tech section. But, I understand what ya'll are saying.

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ORIGINAL: jrhykushi

come to think of it, i actually understand what the OP is trying to say.
for example, i get happy (yep, i get excited, in anticipation to see everyone's beautiful rides:D) when theres a "NEW PICS" thread in the s197 section, but i'd probably get annoyed looking in the photo section, as i couldn't care less about looking at guys' fox bodies.
no offense, but i think fox bodies are pretty damn ugly [X(]



+1000

I posted pictures after my first wash and wax in probably a year. Showing how good it looked. It got moved, guess how many responses it got in the picture forum? None. Figure that out. I posted pictures where the car could be mostly appreciated in the s197 forums and it gets moved. For the people who say its not a tech so it shouldn't be here. SKIP OVER IT. Don't read it then. If you are going to do it to one person. Do it to all of them. I got 2 post on my thread and it got moved. I've seen photo threads have 2-3 pages and still here.IMO if its s197 related. It should be here

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is compleatly different.


+1000 We want our own picture section, AND an OT section. That would be cool.
People here want to talk to people HERE!

ORIGINAL: howarmat

i let the pics threads go for until they are a couple pages deep or a few days old. We created the photo forum for this sole purpose. So if someone wants to go look at sweet rides, there is a section just for them.....

If you can tell me why ranting about gas prices or how bitching becuase you got speeding ticket is related to tech i would also like to know......These are clearly OT



I know mods have atough enough job as it is but if you feel this way, and the forum rules support it, then be a hard-a$$es and enforce away. Everytime you allow a photo, speeding ticket, gas price thread in a Tech forum you encourage it for others and it just keeps rolling...

I wouldgladly oblige and go to whatever section I need to view/discuss appropriate topics -I really don't care. I beta big majorityof membersfeel the same way. After a few weeks everyone will be on board.

Also, maybeOT sections for each generation would help?

While it might be a convenience for some to have separate picture subsections within each Mustang 'generation' section, I can see where they'd be nightmares to moderate. For example, would a S197 picture sectionbe rigidly restricted to S197's only? Permit other year Mustangs or other make cars from S197 contributors?

I happen to agree with the idea of keeping topics in this section related to something that you're doing to an S197 that specifically requires that the car be an S197. There are subsections for powertrain, chassis, and appearance tech already, which leaves the main section as a "catch-all" for things you're doing to an S197that doesn't fit into any of those. Anything that does not require the car involved to be a S197 is more general in nature and there may actually be some benefit to be had from exposing it to a wider audience. Not everybody with a Fox-body or a Classic is the stereotype owner of those models.

But if a picture subsection was to be added I think it would also make some sense to merge the V6 and V8 chassis/suspension subsections and probably the two appearance subsections as well. IMO there isn't enough technical difference between the two Mustang models to warrant keeping these as separate subsections. Just keep the engine tech separate because the details there are different.


Norm

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

blah blah i dont ilke rules blah blah

This is my plea to the mods. Leave S197 related threads where the original poster intended them, so long as they comply with the MF TOS. This is the main section, and the place where people come for S197 related talk and tech. Don't take the talk out.


this is exactly what we do

perhaps you should read The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) again. especially number 4

and technically, this should be moved too, but you all need to see it


oh, and about the pictures posting: if you can find a good excuse (ie, "ive installed new mods", not "look, i washed my car") then it will prbably stay here, as long as it isnt only pictures (describe your modifications)

ORIGINAL: ckone0814

Also, maybeOT sections for each generation would help?

I'd really pity whoever got the job of moderating that and had to separate S197 related talk from the general sort of BS that goes on in Off-Topic now.

The onlyissue I have with Moderators is, I don't think it's fair to lock a thread because of one or two @sshole members that go out of wack.

Should it be a way to lock the morons out of a particular thread?
So they can't post their BS?

Actually, is it possible to have this feature?
A Mod would PM a warning first about a BS coment and if another one comes up, lock the bastard out of the damn thread.

I know it's easy for me to say that and I don't know what's involved to run such a big site, so please forgive me.

I have to say THANKS to Mods that are allowing regional meet threads in this section right now.
Got to give credit when it's due;).

Over all, you guys ROCK!

ORIGINAL: Joolander

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

blah blah i dont ilke rules blah blah

This is my plea to the mods. Leave S197 related threads where the original poster intended them, so long as they comply with the MF TOS. This is the main section, and the place where people come for S197 related talk and tech. Don't take the talk out.


this is exactly what we do

perhaps you should read The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) again. especially number 4

and technically, this should be moved too, but you all need to see it


oh, and about the pictures posting: if you can find a good excuse (ie, "ive installed new mods", not "look, i washed my car") then it will prbably stay here, as long as it isnt only pictures (describe your modifications)



If it was describing a SPONSORS products. I don't see the big deal. Seems like "certain" mods have a problem with certain people. Because let me say it again, you moved my thread. Yet others stay.

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is completely different.


Miranda is right about this. OT section attacks new female members like vultures.

ORIGINAL: mygt500
. What I do not appreciate is the disrespect that you are showing by posting this thread on the open S197 forum instead of coming to any of the moderators in this section or any other section for that matter and presented your problem via PM/email (i.e. deleted thread or moved thread with/without a tracer). This is the reason you are lashing out and personally if you are a mod on another forum you should know this could have been handled differently and in a much better way than calling out the section moderators for the S197 section. J - S197 section moderator ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

I



I don't understand this comment? Why do mods feel that they are being called out or disrepected?


I read the Original post and it just seemed that he was asking a legit question and making a request. Perhaps there are others who have the same questions or concerns and by posting in the forum it allows everyone to understand what is going on and why things are done.

Wouldn't you rather have one thread that explains "why things aere the way they are" or would you rather receive 200 PM's asking the same question?

What's the harm in an open discussion? Now if the thread went downhill and you started having the childish insults being thrown around and stuff like that, I could understand the frustration. But this thread hasn't gone that direction.

I personally don't care if threads get moved. It isn't that difficult to click a couple times to go into a different section. I do however enjoy the pic threads in this section cause I don't want to look at fox bodies and such either.

Just my .02 for what it's worth

ORIGINAL: pascal

The onlyissue I have with Moderators is, I don't think it's fair to lock a thread because of one or two @sshole members that go out of wack.

Should it be a way to lock the morons out of a particular thread?
So they can't post their BS?

Actually, is it possible to have this feature?
A Mod would PM a warning first about a BS coment and if another one comes up, lock the bastard out of the damn thread.

I know it's easy for me to say that and I don't know what's involved to run such a big site, so please forgive me.

I have to say THANKS to Mods that are allowing regional meet threads in this section right now.
Got to give credit when it's due;).

Over all, you guys ROCK!


the only way we can do this is to delete each and every one of their posts, which is tedious and time consumming, and hard to keep up with them and how fast they post some times. thats why sometimes we just lock the thread ;)

oh and redfireshaker06,

The Rules

4.Double posting is not allowed and can result in the deletion of one or both posts. Double posting is defined as posting the same information in two or more separate forums. We understand that some topics might fit into more than one forum. Please try to pick the best one. In addition, please do not post in the same thread back to back (another version of double posting), if you have something more to add, edit your post, don't post twice in a row in a thread.

.....


13. Moderators and Administrators have final word in anything and everything. If you have a problem or a complaint direct it to them, not to the general forums. They will then take the appropriate actions. This applies to issues with the forum in general, as well as issues with other members.[/align]

i've explained why some threads stay and others get moved several tmes to you. In the end its up to the mods. If youre not sure if a thread will be moved when you post it, just ask a mod to allow it before you post it, and put "allowed by_____" in the title. in a lot of borderline cases (like the meet threads) we will allow it to be here. Otherwise, if you don't ask, it will almost certainly be moved

your idea for seperate picture sections is a fairly good one, but as it stands right now, the photosection is for photo whoring

oh yeah, and don't get mad at me. moving your threads is absolutely nothing personal

True, Kara ventured there once and it wasn't a memorable experience for her[8D].
But you and some other girls are bullet proof anyway:D.

OT is mostly about politics and @ss, so it kinda limits what I want to talk about.
I do go there and goof off a little, nothing wrong with that:).

Joo, what's wrong with unlocking once the idiots are gone?
Think it will go right back to sh#t again?

Never mind, it's an abvious yes:eek:.

ORIGINAL: pascal

True, Kara ventured there once and it wasn't a memorable experience for her[8D].
But you and some other girls are bullet proof anyway:D.

OT is mostly about politics and @ss, so it kinda limits what I want to talk about.
I do go there and goof off a little, nothing wrong with that:).


Only option is if your post gets moved to OT, try to ignore what you don't want to see or hear.
If that is impossible, retreat. Or as an OT mod so eloquently put it to me, GTFO. [&:]

now you get it pascal;):D

yeah, ot is harsh on women, but thats what happens in a section populated by window-lickers

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is completely different.


Miranda is right about this. OT section attacks new female members like vultures.





That only happens with a handfull of members in Off Topic, not the entire section. :eek:

Good luck on getting your own picture section too...maybe you want your own section to talk about the weather?

I find it hilarious though when some of you keep posting OT/Streetstrip stuff in Tech sections, forgetting that when you make a thread that does nothing to talk about tech, you bump another thread that actually calls for help off the first page onto the second page....and for what?

Some of you can follow the rules. NICE! :D:D:D

Some of you can't even do that, and would rather just whine and bitch to get your own way because its way too hard to follow a few simple rules.

FYI, there is an ignore button (its titled as the Block button with a red hand) that you can click on to ignore any member you wish, so if you ever venture into Off Topic, you will not see the stereotyped "window licker's" posts. Off Topic has its members that are worthless, but it also has members that can contribute to a good discussion. If you would rather just focus on the worthless members as representatives of the entire section, you really should just keep your mind shut and GTFO.

ah cmon, you know im just joshin'[8D]

but seriously, some people in there are just ravenous rainbow dinosaurs

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is completely different.


Miranda is right about this. OT section attacks new female members like vultures.


you really should just keep your mind shut and GTFO.


You're directing this to me personally 99 or proving my point? :eek:

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is completely different.


Miranda is right about this. OT section attacks new female members like vultures.


you really should just keep your mind shut and GTFO.


You're directing this to me personally 99 or proving my point? :eek:


It's only a bad coincidence that the entire post was connected with a reply to your statement. So neither. [&:]

I'll second the motion to create a S197 Photo gallery for the "I washed my car" posts in the 2005-2008 Section.

I have been here for a while and have many
posts but I have only started about 10 threads
and the others are replies to posts asking tech
advice. ;)

Well, while we're at it.........;)

Why not make us a "female forum members" section for us to discuss girly issues? [&:]

ORIGINAL: SaddleUp

Well, while we're at it.........;)

Why not make us a "female forum members" section for us to discuss girly issues? [&:]


Hawt!

ORIGINAL: SaddleUp

Well, while we're at it.........;)

Why not make us a "female forum members" section for us to discuss girly issues? [&:]




I'll 2nd that. LOL

ORIGINAL: ShadowWulf

ORIGINAL: SaddleUp

Well, while we're at it.........;)

Why not make us a "female forum members" section for us to discuss girly issues? [&:]


Hawt!

lol hawt? dunno wich GIRLIE issues you are referaing to at the moment but i dont think some of them are too hot if ya know what I mean....

I think all the creeps will swarm to the woman section if its made cause then they know where to find all the woman and it wil be pages of never ending cheezey lines , im sure of it.

if you could make it for woman only then it could work, but then you would have the creeps making fake accounts pretending to be woman just to go in there.:eek:

The pic section Im all for v6-v8 dont matter as long as its a s197

i would also like to point out a thread i had a couple days ago about sanding a radiator cover FROM MY S197, that got moved to off topic, then moved to 4.6 appearance. i dont understand why it couldnt just stay in this section, i was getting help with my problem sanding, until it got moved to a section where i got no help.

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4975081/tm.htm

shouldnt this be in the photo section? there are mods posting on it and its still there? atleast be consistant...

My problem is not necessarily the moderation, though some mods seem quick on the trigger. My problem is this being a tech forum. There's separate tech areas for V6 and V8, and those have sub-forums for more specific tech. To me, this should be just plain S197 or S197 Talk. This should be the home for S197's, where they can post S197 related topics, tech or not. It just doesn't make sense to only post technical threads in here, when there are already specific and dedicated tech sections for everything.

I posted this as a post instead of a PM, because i wanted others opinions on the matter, and I think this should be a matter of open discussion, not one mod's opinion. While we members do not own the board, the board is here for us. So we should be happy with it, right? This is a large community here. I think there's enough S197 owners to have our own talk section.

And I definitely agree with the above statements. I'm also a photography buff, and I receive very few comments on my photos in the photo section, but plenty in the S197 section. I have a feeling only 10-20% of members visit the photo section with any frequency, but probably 80-90% will open a photo post in this section. And a lot of Fox body owners have no respect for S197's or their owners, plain and simple. I find some Sn95 owners that way as well, but not as many.

I'll stifle if you can tell me why we need a S197 tech section, when we have S197 V6 tech and S197V8 tech sub-forums already, with their own subforums. Let's unite the community, not alienate them.As long as it's S197 related, I don't see the problem.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

Instead of answering my post in an earlier post, the entire thread was deleted. So I'll pose my question here.

Why do non-technical threads keep getting moved or deleted? It seems we have a few over-zealous mods here. This section is dedicated to the S197 community. I love Mustangs, but as you can tell, I'm a S197 nut. And for that, I generally only come to the S197 section. I don't browse the Photo section or OT section much, because I usually want to see S197 related things. 80% of threads in the S197 section are not technical, but remain. Yet quite a few threads get moved and deleted arbitrarily, because someone is in a bad mood and feels like exercising their E-Peen. If it's related to S197s, it should be left in the S197 area if that's where the original poster intended it to be. We have separate S197 V6 and V8 technical forums. If I want to post pictures of my S197's in this section, that's where they should say. If someone wants to talk about what they like about their S197, it should stay here. I'm the mod of another prominent board of the Mustang community, and we would never do that. It's really making me consider leaving the site. There's tons of people on here, which I really like. But when I make a post, or am trying to watch a thread, it's very annoying to come back and find it missing. And when ever any opposition to the moderation on the board comes up, the thread suddenly disappears without a trace... as this one most likely will.

This is my plea to the mods. Leave S197 related threads where the original poster intended them, so long as they comply with the MF TOS. This is the main section, and the place where people come for S197 related talk and tech. Don't take the talk out.


This subforum is under a TECH main forum.

Non-tech threads belong in Off Topic or some other more appropriate subforum.

I fail to see how yapping about a girl, asking about a sticker for your car, talking about your neighbors ricer, asking political questions, complaining about gas prices, whatstereo to install, what body kit looks good,or any other NON-TECH threadis relevant to S197 TECH discussions. I'm not pointing you out but those are just some of the threads I've seen in here and more popping up every day.

There are more appropriate subforums each of those topics could be directed to. You will rarely see the classic section or the foxbody section get clogged with just meaningless dribble. Sn-95 used to be pretty well arranged, it's now getting like the S197 section. Total chaos to where the search function if useless because nothing is where it should be.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

My problem is not necessarily the moderation, though some mods seem quick on the trigger. My problem is this being a tech forum. There's separate tech areas for V6 and V8, and those have sub-forums for more specific tech. To me, this should be just plain S197 or S197 Talk. This should be the home for S197's, where they can post S197 related topics, tech or not. It just doesn't make sense to only post technical threads in here, when there are already specific and dedicated tech sections for everything.

I posted this as a post instead of a PM, because i wanted others opinions on the matter, and I think this should be a matter of open discussion, not one mod's opinion. While we members do not own the board, the board is here for us. So we should be happy with it, right? This is a large community here. I think there's enough S197 owners to have our own talk section.

And I definitely agree with the above statements. I'm also a photography buff, and I receive very few comments on my photos in the photo section, but plenty in the S197 section. I have a feeling only 10-20% of members visit the photo section with any frequency, but probably 80-90% will open a photo post in this section. And a lot of Fox body owners have no respect for S197's or their owners, plain and simple. I find some Sn95 owners that way as well, but not as many.

I'll stifle if you can tell me why we need a S197 tech section, when we have S197 V6 tech and S197V8 tech sub-forums already, with their own subforums. Let's unite the community, not alienate them.As long as it's S197 related, I don't see the problem.


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ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

My problem is not necessarily the moderation, though some mods seem quick on the trigger. My problem is this being a tech forum. There's separate tech areas for V6 and V8, and those have sub-forums for more specific tech. To me, this should be just plain S197 or S197 Talk. This should be the home for S197's, where they can post S197 related topics, tech or not. It just doesn't make sense to only post technical threads in here, when there are already specific and dedicated tech sections for everything.


I agree with this. There should be a S197 General Discussion forum. Ideally you wpuld have:
1. S197 Tech Discussion, with V6 and V8 subforums
2. S197 General Discussion, with possible photo subforum.

Ultimately it would be much better if the highest forum in the hierachy is the the specific type Mustang. As it it now, you have to scatter all over the boards for all the different s197 posts. If the hierarchy was:

2005-2008 Mustang
General
Tech
V6
V8
Photo
Insert other idea here

...then we could all go to one section for our S197 stuff. The other type stangs would have similar sections. Other sites do it this way andI believe it's a bit easier for users and moderators alike.

i just think there should be s197 tech and s197 non tech sections... v6 and v8 use a lot of the same parts and can benefit from eachother

It is what it is. We have a free platform to discuss/view our vehicles, why can't everyone be happy with that?

ORIGINAL: Joolander

ah cmon, you know im just joshin'[8D]

but seriously, some people in there are just ravenous rainbow dinosaurs



99Vert has a point (often does)...
I guess what he's trying to say is: Not everybody is right all the time and not everybody is wrong all the time.

There is more threads being locked here than in OT I'm sure, so it's not a coincidence.
There are some cool cats over there and I enjoy some of the topics.
Good enough for me... The rest of you, GTFO:D.


Hey, siberian... I was willing to help with your sanding experience but couldn't findyour thread[&:].
Now I know what happened lol.

what i want to know is, why does the s197 section feel it needs to be treated differently than the rest of the forums?

none of the other sections get their own special discussion or photo areas

I think what everyone agrees about is if you want to talk S197 anything, its best to post it in the S197 section. Even if it is Off Topic or whatever. Atleast someone will respond. I hardly ever go to Off topic section and I also find the Photo Gallery hard to navigate. Just my .02

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ORIGINAL: Joolander

what i want to know is, why does the s197 section feel it needs to be treated differently than the rest of the forums?

none of the other sections get their own special discussion or photo areas

thesy all should have there own photo sections, organization is key.

WOW I cant believe I just read this whole thing....C'mon guys rules are rules and the Mods have a hard enough time as is regulating...but a little criticism never hurt n e one?


Thank you again to the mods for making a place like MF possible....there are some nights where I would be lost withouts all my, quote my Gf "weird online mustang ppl" lolhttp://www.mustangforums.com/micons/m6.gif

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: Margarita Girl

ORIGINAL: MirandaRae

I can agree with the OP.. at least when we talk about our cars here there is a sense of maturity going into most posts. I absolutly hate when stuff gets moved to the OT section and gets over run by idiotic teenagers spewing nonsense. The attitude between this and the OT section is completely different.


Miranda is right about this. OT section attacks new female members like vultures.





That only happens with a handfull of members in Off Topic, not the entire section.

Good luck on getting your own picture section too...maybe you want your own section to talk about the weather?

I find it hilarious though when some of you keep posting OT/Streetstrip stuff in Tech sections, forgetting that when you make a thread that does nothing to talk about tech, you bump another thread that actually calls for help off the first page onto the second page....and for what?

Some of you can follow the rules. NICE!

Some of you can't even do that, and would rather just whine and bitch to get your own way because its way too hard to follow a few simple rules.

FYI, there is an ignore button (its titled as the Block button with a red hand) that you can click on to ignore any member you wish, so if you ever venture into Off Topic, you will not see the stereotyped "window licker's" posts. Off Topic has its members that are worthless, but it also has members that can contribute to a good discussion. If you would rather just focus on the worthless members as representatives of the entire section, you really should just keep your mind shut and GTFO.



You know what kills me is this guy is from OT.....and he made one of the best points on this thread. Its the way i look at it too.

We have a huge board here..we have TONS of s197 members too. That is a great thing too. With the huge membership numbers there are many many posts everyday.

if you go to bed then work the next day and then come back on the board at 7-8 pm the next day, i bet there are 5+ pages before you get back to the last thread you read the night before. And like 99GT points out, the poor guy that posted last night after he got off work at 1 am with a TECH question about brakes is burried by a bunch of threads talking about how they washed they car or how they had to pay $50 bucks for gas today....

Like i stated, i leave the pic threads for a while normally and then move them. And as joo pointed out, if you say something besides "hey i cleaned my car" then they serve a better purpose.

If you want to create post for people to look at you car, go to the "members rides" section and create a thread, then link it in your sig. People see you sig picture and say damn that is a sweet ride and can click the link to your own picture post and view all of the pics of your ride and mods you have done.

At this point we arent going to resection this s197 forum.....we are doing it to the classifieds as it is and it is too much effort really.

ORIGINAL: siberian.mist

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4975081/tm.htm

shouldnt this be in the photo section? there are mods posting on it and its still there? atleast be consistant...



That thread was asking questions about the bumper and install of it amongst other things. It has technical merit in it for sure and there is no reason to move it.

Also i think joo apologized for moving the actual thread about the radiator cover....BUT as the rules state, DO NOT make more threads asking where it went if you think it was deleted. Most posts are not deleted just moved and you can still find them in your post history and continue to post on them.

And also like Joo stated, don't take your thread being moved personally. posts are moved all the time i sure as hell don't keep track of who wrote what and have no grudges against any of you. If your thread is moved them PM me, joolander or mygt500 and even professor wizard and we can tell you why it was moved and even get it moved back perhaps.

do mods get paid?

hell no we dont get paid

you dont get paid?!?!!?[:o]









[8D][&o]

Some of you are wondering why they move some and not others?
They are Mods, it's not their job to be doing this they dont HAVE to be doing this, they are volunteers trying to keep all this in order. Hey I have had threads moved, ya I wasnt really happy but understood. I dont go around saying they are targeting certain people, because I really dont think they are, they are just catching what they can. You really have to admit though, sometimes people post up some really stupid threads in this section. *cough* this one *cough* [sm=lockeddance.gif]

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ORIGINAL: siberian.mist

do mods get paid?


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I will just leave this thread with this. I think it's funny that all these "non-technical" threads get moved, but sponsors can come in and try to sell everyone stuff. And on top of that, constantly bump their threads. I don't have a problem with sponsors being in here. But that's definitely not tech related.

I give. The mods obviously have their ears closed.

actually we have moved the sponsor threads to the vendor section, and told them not to sell their stuff in this section

or at least the ones we are aware of

our ears are not closed at all actually and they arent suppose to post those threads in here and are being warned for it. We have discussed this many times in the mod room. ROTM is very clear on this.

I guess I'd went about this the wrong way. I wasn't trying to get at anyone's goat, or anything. Really, I'd just like to see the main area here be more of a talk/tech area, with specific tech under the V6 and V8 area. As stated, the majority of us don't venture out of the S197 area. I understand this is how the board is set up, but I just personally don't think it's best that way. As mentioned previously, many Fox and even SN95 owners don't have much respect for S197 owners. Being a member of several boards, I don't have time to check all the areas of the board, so I enjoy being able to come to one spot and catch up. But I'm becoming an old Victrola here, so I'll cease. Once I typed the information about the sponsors, I'd noticed a recent decline in those posts. So I can't argue there.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

I guess I'd went about this the wrong way.

+1

You started off with a pretty negative tone, starting as soon as you could, with the title, whether you agree or not.

Actually probably a discussion worth having... but a lot got lost in your tone.

ORIGINAL: howarmat

hell no we dont get paid


You're getting robbed[8D]:D.

Thanks for post #55 BTW.
Glad to see you're feeling the same way...
I'll get you that funny beer if I ever meet you:D.

Dark -did you read my post? Our ears are open and we are available to everyone! Just follow the rules as stated and pointed out in this thread and enjoy the forum. BAM- IMO it is disrespectful to "call out" mods and ADMIN because you don't like the way things are done and run on the site. Dark clearly stated "non tech....and I don't care!"...He is pissed that his threads got moved and lashed out by posting this crap on an open forum. If no one likes the rules then GTFO! All Dark had to do was send a PM/email (read the rest of my first post on pg 1) to any of us and we are clearly stated at the top of the main S197 section page and we would have found out what was done and why it was done if it concerned him that much. Instead he would rather break a forum rule and post this crap in this section. Believe it or not I like being a mod and am pretty even tempered (for the most part;)) and that is why I was asked to mod on this site. No we don't get paid and what little power I have on this site really doesn't change who I am and what I try to accomplish on this forum- to enforce the rules that all of us agreed on when we joined the site. BAM -you understand where I am coming from? How does this thread have anything to do with 2005+ mustang tech and it has not been locked so we can get feedback from members that troll or live in this section. We could have easily just deleted it or locked it and just referred Dark to the rules and said Tuff...if you don't like it leave or get banned for not adhering to forum rules. What I do not understand is why everyone thinks they can run it better? and why do some members feel they can just bitch openly to anyone willing to read it and get their way?....ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

I will just leave this thread with this. I think it's funny that all these "non-technical" threads get moved, but sponsors can come in and try to sell everyone stuff. And on top of that, constantly bump their threads. I don't have a problem with sponsors being in here. But that's definitely not tech related.

I give. The mods obviously have their ears closed.

This is the only forum that I ever read here. I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone - mods or other Mustang owners, but I really don't care about SN95's or fox bodies or the owners of those models of Mustang. I like reading about everything S197, tech related or not. I like seeing pictures posted of other peoples S197's and don't care about SN95 or fox body pics. When "general discussion" threads get moved somewhere else, I never end up seeing them again which is kind of sad but understandable now that I understand the purpose of this forum better.

Kind of hard to explain really, but there must be some here that feel like me. I don't care about some SN95 owner talking about getting a speeding ticket, yet I'll read the same thread about an S197 owner. I don't care about seeing a picture of a newly washed fox body, but love seeing peoples polished S197's. At least in this forum, everything is S197 related (both technical and non-technical) and for me that's great. The other forums I can only assume have a mix of everyone, and that's just too much weeding through things I don't want to see (which is probably exactly what the people pushing for this to be technical only feel).

I just think it's too bad that there's not a place for just us S197 owners to hang out and talk about anything - technical or non-technical. I don't really care if the otherforums have or don't have this, I only care about my fellow S197 owners and interacting with them. Again, I'm not trying to raise anyones hackles or be disrespectful... it's just how I personally feel. Obviously it's your board, not mine, and you set whatever rules you want. You could say that only people with white SN95's are allowed to post onany forum on mustangforums.comand that's just a rule that everyone would have to live with.

ORIGINAL: Joolander

what i want to know is, why does the s197 section feel it needs to be treated differently than the rest of the forums?

none of the other sections get their own special discussion or photo areas



Well, it's because our cars are so much better looking!
Especially more than anything since 1971!:D:D

ORIGINAL: VanGTCS

This is the only forum that I ever read here. I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone - mods or other Mustang owners, but I really don't care about SN95's or fox bodies or the owners of those models of Mustang. I like reading about everything S197, tech related or not. I like seeing pictures posted of other peoples S197's and don't care about SN95 or fox body pics. When "general discussion" threads get moved somewhere else, I never end up seeing them again which is kind of sad but understandable now that I understand the purpose of this forum better.

Kind of hard to explain really, but there must be some here that feel like me. I don't care about some SN95 owner talking about getting a speeding ticket, yet I'll read the same thread about an S197 owner. I don't care about seeing a picture of a newly washed fox body, but love seeing peoples polished S197's. At least in this forum, everything is S197 related (both technical and non-technical) and for me that's great. The other forums I can only assume have a mix of everyone, and that's just too much weeding through things I don't want to see (which is probably exactly what the people pushing for this to be technical only feel).

I just think it's too bad that there's not a place for just us S197 owners to hang out and talk about anything - technical or non-technical. I don't really care if the otherforums have or don't have this, I only care about my fellow S197 owners and interacting with them. Again, I'm not trying to raise anyones hackles or be disrespectful... it's just how I personally feel. Obviously it's your board, not mine, and you set whatever rules you want. You could say that only people with white SN95's are allowed to post onany forum on mustangforums.comand that's just a rule that everyone would have to live with.

This is exactly why having the highest order forum be for each type of Mustang is easier. All subforums below 2005-2008 Mustang woud be only for our cars. Everything would be eaier to find, browse, and moderate. The fox bodies, SN95, etc would all have their own section with subforums. And then maybe one forum for general Mustang discussion.

As you said though, these are just suggestions from an otherwisehappy and grateful MF'er. :)

Im reading a lot of the same things. I'm just using my photo thread as an example. It was getting responses when posted here. As soon as it got moved to the photo section. Not 1 response. Our cars are going to get more acculades (sp) here than in other sections. Fox people do not like us. I see it everywhere. So why post where no on cares. s197 people like other s197 cars. My suggestion is atleast can we have a s197 photo section.

ORIGINAL: VanGTCS

This is the only forum that I ever read here. I certainly mean no disrespect to anyone - mods or other Mustang owners, but I really don't care about SN95's or fox bodies or the owners of those models of Mustang. I like reading about everything S197, tech related or not. I like seeing pictures posted of other peoples S197's and don't care about SN95 or fox body pics. When "general discussion" threads get moved somewhere else, I never end up seeing them again which is kind of sad but understandable now that I understand the purpose of this forum better.

Kind of hard to explain really, but there must be some here that feel like me. I don't care about some SN95 owner talking about getting a speeding ticket, yet I'll read the same thread about an S197 owner. I don't care about seeing a picture of a newly washed fox body, but love seeing peoples polished S197's. At least in this forum, everything is S197 related (both technical and non-technical) and for me that's great. The other forums I can only assume have a mix of everyone, and that's just too much weeding through things I don't want to see (which is probably exactly what the people pushing for this to be technical only feel).

I just think it's too bad that there's not a place for just us S197 owners to hang out and talk about anything - technical or non-technical. I don't really care if the otherforums have or don't have this, I only care about my fellow S197 owners and interacting with them. Again, I'm not trying to raise anyones hackles or be disrespectful... it's just how I personally feel. Obviously it's your board, not mine, and you set whatever rules you want. You could say that only people with white SN95's are allowed to post onany forum on mustangforums.comand that's just a rule that everyone would have to live with.


+1

I am a casual s197 owner. I love my car and I love to see and read about other people's S197s; from performance to purchase prices. I am very far from technical and I am sure I pi$$ off those who are for posting things here in Tech that are not tech; sorry about that.Understand that there are a lot of S197 owners out here that are not into it as much as some of y'all,like their cars just as much, enjoy reading everything, and occasionally (often?) postdumb questions or comments.

It does seem to me that this site is set up a little strange. Still being a newb, I remember wandering in here and wondering where to go to find info about body color side mirrors. I didn't think that was "Tech" perse. IMHO the parent category should be 2005-2008, then under itAppearance Mods, Performance Mods, Ride Photos, Everything Else, etc.. I don't even think it needs to be divided V6 or V8. OT should be a parent and for things NOT specific to Mustangs (Price of gas, Did you see Britney Spears on the VMAs last night?, whatever). Yes, I know that's re-writing the site. Just my observation and opinion. For me, if there was atech Performance Mods forum I would not go into there as much -unless I wanted to read specifically about people's CAI set-ups, for example,or had a very on-topic question or need.

This a good thread that's generating some interesting discussion, I hope nobody is getting offended, Overall, this site isgreat place to spend some time. The mods do a fantasticjob (members too). Thanks.

ORIGINAL: mygt500

Dark -did you read my post? Our ears are open and we are available to everyone! Just follow the rules as stated and pointed out in this thread and enjoy the forum. BAM- IMO it is disrespectful to "call out" mods and ADMIN because you don't like the way things are done and run on the site. Dark clearly stated "non tech....and I don't care!"...He is pissed that his threads got moved and lashed out by posting this crap on an open forum. If no one likes the rules then GTFO! All Dark had to do was send a PM/email (read the rest of my first post on pg 1) to any of us and we are clearly stated at the top of the main S197 section page and we would have found out what was done and why it was done if it concerned him that much. Instead he would rather break a forum rule and post this crap in this section. Believe it or not I like being a mod and am pretty even tempered (for the most part;)) and that is why I was asked to mod on this site. No we don't get paid and what little power I have on this site really doesn't change who I am and what I try to accomplish on this forum- to enforce the rules that all of us agreed on when we joined the site. BAM -you understand where I am coming from? How does this thread have anything to do with 2005+ mustang tech and it has not been locked so we can get feedback from members that troll or live in this section. We could have easily just deleted it or locked it and just referred Dark to the rules and said Tuff...if you don't like it leave or get banned for not adhering to forum rules. What I do not understand is why everyone thinks they can run it better? and why do some members feel they can just bitch openly to anyone willing to read it and get their way?....ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

I will just leave this thread with this. I think it's funny that all these "non-technical" threads get moved, but sponsors can come in and try to sell everyone stuff. And on top of that, constantly bump their threads. I don't have a problem with sponsors being in here. But that's definitely not tech related.

I give. The mods obviously have their ears closed.



I do not feel like this shouldn't have been posted. I think it needed to be done in the open. The title and tact used was wrong, and I do apologize for that. I'm not always the best in getting my point across. But I'm obviously not the only one that feels the main S197 area should be talk as well as tech.

I never said I could run it better, but again, I am a mod on another site and do just fine with that over there. I feel I can bring this out into the open because it's a public forum, and happy members are what keeps it going. If a member has an idea that can improve the board, it should be heard.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT


I do not feel like this shouldn't have been posted. I think it needed to be done in the open. The title and tact used was wrong, and I do apologize for that. I'm not always the best in getting my point across. But I'm obviously not the only one that feels the main S197 area should be talk as well as tech.

I never said I could run it better, but again, I am a mod on another site and do just fine with that over there. I feel I can bring this out into the open because it's a public forum, and happy members are what keeps it going. If a member has an idea that can improve the board, it should be heard.


I dont mind wanting to discuss this at all. But we have a section to post these exact suggestions also.

http://www.mustangforums.com/forumid_6/tt.htm

I go here daily and then if needed alert ADMIN and other mods about the issues and its discussed, fixed, etc. I encourage all of you if you want something to post it there as that is the proper place for it and it will get looked at i assure you.

As soon as the next Mustang platform comes out in 2012, threads like these won't even happen.
This section is very populated not only because it's aboutthe latest Mustang, but because there isn't another muscle ponycar yet.
When Camaros and Challengers are out, we will lose a bunch of members to those, and it's fine by me.
It prolly be easier to run this section then...

True hardcore Mustang fans aren't as plentyfull as we think and I rather interact with them anyway (not directed at you Darkfire).

I avoid all the threads about "I'm thinking about selling the Stang because they can't fix the water leak" or "this car is a joke, no trunk button" etc...
It's a $25K car, live with this. You want better? Save your Pennies even longerand buy your dream car:eek:. Or GTFO:D.

It bugs me that a lot of S197 owners want special treatment, especially those that don't know sh#t about Mustangs. (Again, this lastcoment is not directed at the OP)
It gives us the bad reputation that we have, because of that.

I personally don't care about the MustangLOOK from 71 to 04, few exceptions.
They're not ugly, just not as sexy as the first and lastGeneration.
Because of that, I'm not looking down or having a negative attitudetowards people that own a fox body, for exemple.

We have to quit being pr#cks towards other Mustang fans first, and maybe the Mods will feel the need toorganize this section accordingly;).

I'll tell you... Obama ain't got sh#t on me when it comes to speach:D:D.
Anyone bored yet??[&:]

ORIGINAL: howarmat

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

I find it hilarious though when some of you keep posting OT/Streetstrip stuff in Tech sections, forgetting that when you make a thread that does nothing to talk about tech, you bump another thread that actually calls for help off the first page onto the second page....and for what?

Some of you can follow the rules. NICE!



if you go to bed then work the next day and then come back on the board at 7-8 pm the next day, i bet there are 5+ pages before you get back to the last thread you read the night before. And like 99GT points out, the poor guy that posted last night after he got off work at 1 am with a TECH question about brakes is burried by a bunch of threads talking about how they washed they car or how they had to pay $50 bucks for gas today....



Now thats what I am talking about,
bumping good posts off the techpage with non-tech posts.
GRRRRRRR

ORIGINAL: pascal

It bugs me that a lot of S197 owners want special treatment, especially those that don't know sh#t about Mustangs. (Again, this lastcoment is not directed at the OP)



You must have been a carpenter in a previous life because
you hit the nail on the head with that one. :D

Just muckin it up some more.

I might not be a true hardcore Mustang fan, but I'm a huge fan of my car and other S197's. If that means I don't have a place on these boards, then I guess that's just my loss. I certainly wouldn't be bitter or angry about it, I simply would miss reading a lot of cool things and interesting stories, some tech, some non-tech.

Without posting pics here in this forum, I wouldn't have ever seen the recent photo's that mygt500 put up a little while ago. Without the Off Topic discussions in this forum, I would have never been able to follow Dorsil'srear-ended thread and I also wouldn't have had a place to post about my first show win last summer.

I'm not a pr*ck towards other Mustang fans. Just the opposite - I find it really cool that they love their Mustangs as much as I love mine.I just am not a fan of their SN95 and Fox's. I'm sure a lot of them are not fans of my S197 and that's perfectly cool by me. When I go to shows, I tend to mingle with First Gen guys. Some don't like the S197's and don't talk to me, but that's fine - I completely understand. Others are like I am and feel that there is more ofa bond between First Gen and S197 than there is between themselves and SN95's and Fox's. I know that when I talk to Fox guys or SN95 guys I really don't find myself having much to say... I'm just not interested in their cars, sorry. That doesn't mean I'm a pr*ck to them though.

I suppose I'm just not good enough at expressing myself to get my own point across in a coherant and concise manner. I think of the S197 group here as a subset of the general membership. I don't want special treatment, or at least I don't look at as special treatment. I just know what I use this one forum (2005-2008 Mustangs) for,even thoughit's obviously the wrong thing. If some sponsor of the board offered 50% off for all Fox body owners, some would think of that as special treatment. I don't think that at all. If the SN95 sub sections allowed larger signatures, again I wouldn't think of that as special treatment. I don't go into those forums, and I don't consider myself a part of those communities. They each get different things that they are happy getting and that's cool by me. The only thing I concern myself about is the S197 group here in this forum.

Here's another way of putting it... I enjoy reading TacoBill's S197 howto's. I'll probably never do 95 percent of them, but I still enjoy them and enjoy seeing what he does to his S197. Maybe there is a TacoFrank in SN95 and a TacoSteve in Fox that posts the exact same things. No offense at all to them, but I'm just not interested in seeing their howto's. The same goes for Dorsil being rear-ended. I enjoyed seeing and participating in that thread, even though it didn't belong in this forum. Maybe there is a guy in SN95 called Pectoral who had the exact same thing happen to him. While I would hope that he is alright and never wish ill on anyone, I'm just not interested in reading or participating in his thread. It just doesn't involve an S197 or an S197 owner so I feel like I have nothing to relate to.

I dunno, maybe that does make me a pr*ck to some people, and if they feel that way I appologize. I just have different likes and dislikes =)

Since this got left open for feedback.

If this were *my* forum (and it isn't), I would rename "Ford Mustang Tech" to
Ford Mustang Years/Models. Leave the membership with similar model cars to chat amongst
themselves and prevent the "xxx model owners are bozos" type posts...

Probably throw a photo section under each year, rather than the open photo section.

That said, I apprecaite the owners/mods, etc.. because I've learned a lot here and frankly,
I have yet to find the "perfect" forum setup anyway...

One of the reason the photo forum is set up without different sections for different models is to encourage people to look at other models of cars and comment on what other have done. There are some very hot looking rides that arent s197s you know. The members section has a naming convention so you can easily pick out threads you want to look at it you just want that body style.

For the guy referencing dorsils post, its still in this section so why are you complaining??
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_4115940/tm.htm

Most wreck threads stay here in the "tech section"?? why....cause people want to know what mods they should get to fix the car up and such.

And the thread about you winning first place at the show
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3542270/tm.htm

its still here to

Im sorry but im not sure what you are complaining about. The two things you have reference werent moved.

As moderators we arent perfect, some threads get moved and other similar threads stay. We do allow for alot of stuff to be posted in here and could move ALOT more really.

I never said that Dorsil's or my thread were moved. Also, unless I made a mistake in typing, I really don't think I was complaining about anything. I'm honestly not attacking you nor anyone else here.

Dorsil's thread didn't necessarily fit into what should be classified as 2005-2008 Mustangs Tech. Yes there may have been points raised about damage done, but the vast majority of the thread dealt with legal and medical issues.It probably should have been moved to the OT forum as other posts that aren't 2005-2008 Mustang Tech do. I'm very happy it didn't because I don't read OT. My thread did not get moved out of this forum, and I'm very grateful for that as well.

Other threads do get moved, and I simply think that's too bad (but do completely understand why they are moved and am not complaining about it). People post pics of their S197 and they may get moved to the Photo's forum (again, probably rightly so). It's just too bad that I never get to see them (and from the sounds of it many other people don't get to see them). There were quite a few replies to my thread about winning my first show. If it would have been moved to OT or someplace else, like others, it would have received only a fraction of the replies and reads. That's fine, it just wouldn't have reached the target audience as much.

I just think it would be great if the S197 / 2005-2008 Mustangs section had it's own places for photo's and OT discussions. That doesn't mean I'm complaining about anything. I also think it would be great if I won a million dollars in the lottery - it dosen't mean I'm complaining about not winning.

Does that make any more sense?

i understand that its easier to click one link and refresh than it is to click several links. but is that really the issue here?

but hey, venture outside you normal boundaries once in a while. this site has alot more to offer than just the s197 section

I understand alot of foxbody guys dont like s197s, but dont let that stop you. just remind them that their cars look like a k-body, and they shut up real quick ;). and if they still harass you, let a mod or admin know. we don't tolerate engine/platform bashing on this site

Wow.I just read this thread from the beginning to the end and my hair hurts more now than it ever has. And believe me i have a lot of hair. But back to the thread,,,,,,,,,when i first bought my 06 i heard of this forum and so i signed up and came on here once in a while, and before long i was really learning or getting some valuable information on here. It was becoming a nitely thing for me.I read more than i post but when i do post, i try to just comment in a positive or sometimes humorous way. But lately it seems there are more and more negative comments being made on here by a few people which kinda takes away the purpose of this forum. There arelots of people with lots of good info or questions that post on here but then you get some guy that always has a sarcastic comment that nobody really cares about. And it seems to be the same individuals everytime. But i think on the bright side, other forum members seem to know exactly who the negatives are and have their own way of returning the comments. I think what i am trying to say is you mods have a tough job and i think you guys need a pat on the back once in a while. And i think everyone should just try to follow the rules a little more and lets all work at getting along a little better. But for now i think i am going togive it rest and vacate this forum for a couple of months. Good luck everyone.

ORIGINAL: VanGTCS

I might not be a true hardcore Mustang fan, but I'm a huge fan of my car and other S197's. If that means I don't have a place on these boards, then I guess that's just my loss. I certainly wouldn't be bitter or angry about it, I simply would miss reading a lot of cool things and interesting stories, some tech, some non-tech.

Without posting pics here in this forum, I wouldn't have ever seen the recent photo's that mygt500 put up a little while ago. Without the Off Topic discussions in this forum, I would have never been able to follow Dorsil'srear-ended thread and I also wouldn't have had a place to post about my first show win last summer.

I'm not a pr*ck towards other Mustang fans. Just the opposite - I find it really cool that they love their Mustangs as much as I love mine.I just am not a fan of their SN95 and Fox's. I'm sure a lot of them are not fans of my S197 and that's perfectly cool by me. When I go to shows, I tend to mingle with First Gen guys. Some don't like the S197's and don't talk to me, but that's fine - I completely understand. Others are like I am and feel that there is more ofa bond between First Gen and S197 than there is between themselves and SN95's and Fox's. I know that when I talk to Fox guys or SN95 guys I really don't find myself having much to say... I'm just not interested in their cars, sorry. That doesn't mean I'm a pr*ck to them though.

I suppose I'm just not good enough at expressing myself to get my own point across in a coherant and concise manner. I think of the S197 group here as a subset of the general membership. I don't want special treatment, or at least I don't look at as special treatment. I just know what I use this one forum (2005-2008 Mustangs) for,even thoughit's obviously the wrong thing. If some sponsor of the board offered 50% off for all Fox body owners, some would think of that as special treatment. I don't think that at all. If the SN95 sub sections allowed larger signatures, again I wouldn't think of that as special treatment. I don't go into those forums, and I don't consider myself a part of those communities. They each get different things that they are happy getting and that's cool by me. The only thing I concern myself about is the S197 group here in this forum.

Here's another way of putting it... I enjoy reading TacoBill's S197 howto's. I'll probably never do 95 percent of them, but I still enjoy them and enjoy seeing what he does to his S197. Maybe there is a TacoFrank in SN95 and a TacoSteve in Fox that posts the exact same things. No offense at all to them, but I'm just not interested in seeing their howto's. The same goes for Dorsil being rear-ended. I enjoyed seeing and participating in that thread, even though it didn't belong in this forum. Maybe there is a guy in SN95 called Pectoral who had the exact same thing happen to him. While I would hope that he is alright and never wish ill on anyone, I'm just not interested in reading or participating in his thread. It just doesn't involve an S197 or an S197 owner so I feel like I have nothing to relate to.

I dunno, maybe that does make me a pr*ck to some people, and if they feel that way I appologize. I just have different likes and dislikes =)


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Thank you and I agree....ther is no perfect forum....ORIGINAL: plutnicki


Since this got left open for feedback.

If this were *my* forum (and it isn't), I would rename "Ford Mustang Tech" to
Ford Mustang Years/Models. Leave the membership with similar model cars to chat amongst
themselves and prevent the "xxx model owners are bozos" type posts...

Probably throw a photo section under each year, rather than the open photo section.

That said, I apprecaite the owners/mods, etc.. because I've learned a lot here and frankly,
I have yet to find the "perfect" forum setup anyway...

ORIGINAL: Joolander

we don't tolerate engine/platform bashing on this site



Really? I see alot of V6 bashing on this site. (Like a 5+ page thread in OT) There is alot of S197 bashing in that forum too.

Overall, I like how this forum is run. I remember back in '06, around the time I joined, the 4.0 tech section was full of off-topic/general discussion posts that had nothing to do with tech. There was a clique of guys that talked about everything in their lives like it was their own personal chatroom. It got pretty annoying, and eventually, the mods brought in some order-- which led to many of those guys leaving the forum with really dramatic "good bye, a-holes" type posts. Many of them moved on to another forum which fit their needs better.

Bottom line-- if someone here doesn't like how this forum is run-- good luck findinga better one!

ORIGINAL: AmericanICON

Really? I see alot of V6 bashing on this site. (Like a 5+ page thread in OT) There is alot of S197 bashing in that forum too.



if you read the thread, you'll see that for the most part theres no one in there thats upset by it, hence its not really bashing... when it turned into bashing, we dealt with it (theres really ony one person in that thread in particular) if you see any v6 bashing, please, let us know

oh and the s197 bashing is directed toward the owners, not the platform, because of the excessive amount of extremely off topic posting that goes on here, and then has to be sent there

am i happy about it? no, but its the members here that have to change their posting habits

unless you want us to delete all those threads [&:]

ORIGINAL: AmericanICON

ORIGINAL: Joolander

we don't tolerate engine/platform bashing on this site



Really? I see alot of V6 bashing on this site. (Like a 5+ page thread in OT) There is alot of S197 bashing in that forum too.

Overall, I like how this forum is run. I remember back in '06, around the time I joined, the 4.0 tech section was full of off-topic/general discussion posts that had nothing to do with tech. There was a clique of guys that talked about everything in their lives like it was their own personal chatroom. It got pretty annoying, and eventually, the mods brought in some order-- which led to many of those guys leaving the forum with really dramatic "good bye, a-holes" type posts. Many of them moved on to another forum which fit their needs better.

Bottom line-- if someone here doesn't like how this forum is run-- good luck findinga better one!


Ok i dont tolerate it in this section atleast and most other sections dont like it either. Joo is right, there is one douche that is really ruining a healthy debate for the most part in that thread. And honestly he is working his way to being banned. And i agree with you, the 4.0 section wasnt pretty and we have worked hard to clean it up.

I updated the title to something more appropriate. Never type when mad. After all these years, I still haven't learned that. As stated, I know what being a mod is like, and I can sympathize. I'm just asking for a little open-mindedness and objectivity in relation to the subject.

I'm not asking for special treatment just for S197's. I just think this board should be set up like most other boards. Pretty much every other board I belong to has different sections for each generation. They have the main, talk section. Then tech section. Specialized tech and photo sections. I understand what you're saying about cruising to other parts of the board, and I do from time to time. But I belong to several boards and do the most important stuff first, which is visit the S197 sections of each board first. If I have extra time then I visit other sections. The thing is, just because it's not tech, doesn't mean it's off topic. This is a car board. If it's related to cars, I fail to see how it's off topic. If it's about S197's, I fail to see how it doesn't belong in a S197 specific thread. Usually only S197 owners care about seeing S197 things. Same goes with the other gens.

I feel I've contributed a lot to this board. I never cross anyone and try to be open and objective. You'll never see a post from me telling a member his car is ugly or not a real Mustang because it's not a V8. I'm sorry I posted this in the S197 section and not the proper section, but this section gets a lot of traffic, and I wanted other S197ers opinions.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT
I updated the title to something more appropriate.


much better!

i read your post back when there were only a couple of posts and i thought about posting my 2 cents but eventually figured, "why bother, just some pissed off guy ranting, it is just going to degrade from here..."

your tone has definitely changed and i give you props for owning up to your early mistakes.

the mods were on the defensive from the get go, a reasonable first reaction, i think, knowing human nature as i do. it took till about page 4 before the it settled down andpeople could really start discussing the issue brought up in a reasonable way.

now, my 2 cents:

this site, and even this section, has a massive number of users. i belong to a nissan versa (wife's car) forum where there is only one section. but, there aren't nearly the number of people posting. this site is much more dynamic and to do what i think some of you are asking would be a big clogged mess.

ultimately the best advice, as someone else has already said, isthat people get outand explore the site more.

ORIGINAL: AmericanICON

ORIGINAL: Joolander

we don't tolerate engine/platform bashing on this site



Really? I see alot of V6 bashing on this site. (Like a 5+ page thread in OT) There is alot of S197 bashing in that forum too.

Overall, I like how this forum is run. I remember back in '06, around the time I joined, the 4.0 tech section was full of off-topic/general discussion posts that had nothing to do with tech. There was a clique of guys that talked about everything in their lives like it was their own personal chatroom. It got pretty annoying, and eventually, the mods brought in some order-- which led to many of those guys leaving the forum with really dramatic "good bye, a-holes" type posts. Many of them moved on to another forum which fit their needs better.

Bottom line-- if someone here doesn't like how this forum is run-- good luck findinga better one!


For example, this thread: http://www.mustangforums.com/m_5070411/tm.htm
and threads that go along the lines of "I drove a GT and its not that much faster than a sixer", or "reasons why i believe the v6 is better, even though ford made the GT the higher end model [:@]".

The Moderators in this section SUCK


EDIT: My bad, I didn't mean to type that aloud :D

ORIGINAL: plutnicki
Since this got left open for feedback.

If this were *my* forum (and it isn't), I would rename "Ford Mustang Tech" to
Ford Mustang Years/Models. Leave the membership with similar model cars to chat amongst
themselves and prevent the "xxx model owners are bozos" type posts...

Probably throw a photo section under each year, rather than the open photo section.

That said, I apprecaite the owners/mods, etc.. because I've learned a lot here and frankly,
I have yet to find the "perfect" forum setup anyway...


There are way too many members here for it to be "perfect", cuz it is impossible to get to thepoint where 100% of the people are in agreement. What's considered perfect to one guy may be unacceptable to another. So the S197 Section Moderators (who do a great job, btw) have to use their best judgement about handling problem threads and members, while enforcing the rules that are in place.

No, no. You suck!
For showing up once in a while only:D.

there is no need for half the bull**** people post and talk about in tech, esp in the S197 tech section. most of it belongs in OT. its in the rules, and as long as it continues to happen threads are going to continue to get moved.

ORIGINAL: Joolander

ORIGINAL: AmericanICON

Really? I see alot of V6 bashing on this site. (Like a 5+ page thread in OT) There is alot of S197 bashing in that forum too.



if you read the thread, you'll see that for the most part theres no one in there thats upset by it, hence its not really bashing... when it turned into bashing, we dealt with it (theres really ony one person in that thread in particular) if you see any v6 bashing, please, let us know

oh and the s197 bashing is directed toward the owners, not the platform, because of the excessive amount of extremely off topic posting that goes on here, and then has to be sent there

am i happy about it? no, but its the members here that have to change their posting habits

unless you want us to delete all those threads [&:]



+1

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

I'm not asking for special treatment just for S197's. I just think this board should be set up like most other boards. Pretty much every other board I belong to has different sections for each generation. They have the main, talk section. Then tech section. Specialized tech and photo sections. I understand what you're saying about cruising to other parts of the board, and I do from time to time. But I belong to several boards and do the most important stuff first, which is visit the S197 sections of each board first. If I have extra time then I visit other sections. The thing is, just because it's not tech, doesn't mean it's off topic. This is a car board. If it's related to cars, I fail to see how it's off topic. If it's about S197's, I fail to see how it doesn't belong in a S197 specific thread. Usually only S197 owners care about seeing S197 things. Same goes with the other gens.


FWIW, I completely agree with this and would love to see this happen. Maybe you should post this idea in the Forums and Feedback section (http://www.mustangforums.com/forumid_6/tt.htm) to see what type of response it gets there.I just think this that type of set-up makes it easier for everyone - easier to avoid the non-tech posts if all you want is tech, and vice-versa, easier to find photos ofparticular Mustangs, etc.And all of it would be under the umbrella of your specific type of Mustang. I also don't think that inhibits users from exploring other model years as was mentioned in a post earlier. On the contrary,I think it would be easier to find model specific info to explore. IfI want to see some photos of a '70 Mach1 or a black-on-black SN95,I just go to their specific photo section rather than have to sift through a bunch of non-specific titles in one big photo forum for all stangs (Half the thread titles in the photo section don't even note the year or type of stang, so those are useless unless you have lots of time to open every one. If they were in a section for their specific stang, problem solved). If you go one step further, you could have color-specific sub-forums under each model-specific photo forum. Some other sites do this and it works well to eliminate the "Let's see your Vista Blue with foose rims" type-posts in the general tech section.

I don't see anything wrong with users making suggestion to improve the general usability of the site, as long as it's done in the appropriate manner. By the same token, if the mods decide against these suggestions, so be it. No harm done.

I think after this thread there might be a lot more attention in the photo section who knows.

Here is the way I deal with it: I don't usually create a thread until it is relevant i.e. I need help or did some new technical or appearance mods. Other than that, I just follow other peoples thread to see what everyone else is up to. I don't find a need to post up the typical "oh dude this honda almost freaking took off my rear bumper, I'm ssssoooo pissseeeddd - what should I do" because a) I just get over it b) most of the time, no one (smart enough) actually goes out to hunt a person down. I see threads as being something that give progress reports, need for help etc in this section.

For some of those that are criticizing mods, they have a hard enough time. Everyone is human, it is not like they are the master thread robot that knows perfectly each time whether or not something is tech or not. People make mistakes, get over yourself. And if it wasn't a mistake and your ranting about it, grow some and figure it out.

You have to give credit where credit is deserved, all too often mods really help out with things. For example, in the 4.0 section there was this idiot that stole a ton of money by making this "calendar." Truth is, he was a scammer and did nothing but steal peoples money. The mods helped out a ton there and you have to recognize that type of stuff.

Just remember, no forum, no moderator, no member is perfect. The quicker you realize that, the better time you will have on the entire forum.

I think what the original OP was trying to get at, is there is a sense of connection with his fellow S197 owners. He wants to post and share his expereinces with them and not everyone else. I agree with him, but at the same time have a problem with the non-tech stuff in the tech section.

My solution would be to have an NON-tech sectionwithin the S197 area (2005-2008) that we could talk about our experiences, gripes ornon tech related issues in relation to the S197 community.Then we get to speak with other fellow S197 owners, the ones we talk to the most on the tech issues.

JMO

ORIGINAL: Simon1

I think what the original OP was trying to get at, is there is a sense of connection with his fellow S197 owners. He wants to post and share his expereinces with them and not everyone else. I agree with him, but at the same time have a problem with the non-tech stuff in the tech section.

My solution would be to have an NON-tech sectionwithin the S197 area (2005-2008) that we could talk about our experiences, gripes ornon tech related issues in relation to the S197 community.Then we get to speak with other fellow S197 owners, the ones we talk to the most on the tech issues.

JMO


Agreed. If it's too much hassle to make this main area talk, then make a talk sub-forum.

ORIGINAL: ShadowWulf

ORIGINAL: SaddleUp

Well, while we're at it.........;)

Why not make us a "female forum members" section for us to discuss girly issues? [&:]


Hawt!

jeepers creepers!!!!!! How abouta "gay","straight", "Bi" or Nymphomanic S107 sections. Get a life, post in the appropriate section, Its not that difficult.

What's funny is that I finally wandered into a few other sections of the board, and realized that the SN95 guys and the 5.0 guys have a general discussion forums. So giving the S197 section it's own general discussion/talk area would not be giving us special treatment, but rather, equal.

yep that they do.....it took 6 pages and not one of you pointed that out:D

This has been talked about before, its not a new idea at all for this section.

LOL ok, well that illustrates my point. S197 owners tend to stick to the S197 section.

ORIGINAL: DarkFireGT

What's funny is that I finally wandered into a few other sections of the board, and realized that the SN95 guys and the 5.0 guys have a general discussion forums. So giving the S197 section it's own general discussion/talk area would not be giving us special treatment, but rather, equal.


That isn't, but when a lot of you want your own photo section because you care too much about what others think about your car, and you also don't want to see any other type of mustang, it sounds like one of those girls on 'my sweet sixteen' crying and moaning that she didn't get the right color on her suprise brand new car...but be sure to leave that one out though. I guess when you see food that you don't like on the menu at a restaurant, some of you must also complain about it to the manager(s) in charge to get rid of it because it bothers you so bad. ;)

Why is it that only you guys get special sections about drivetrain, handling, and appearance, but none of the others do? And I almost fell out of my chair when someone posted about making the sig size restrictions bigger....come on. :D:D:D

LOL the signature sizes on here are the loosest of any boards. I wouldn't complain about that.

I'm not asking for a separate photo section. I understand having one central photo section. But a general discussion area where photo threads didn't get moved would be nice. Because as stated before, when S197 owners post their photos in the photo section, there are few responses, but there are many when posted here. It's not that people are necessarily looking for others' approval, but we've all worked very hard on our cars, and it's nice to share that with the community. Most of the S197 community does not go into the photo section.

Man, that is a lot of reading. Can not believe how out of hand this got. But, I see all sides. So, let's get our own general discussion forum.

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I've been avoiding this thread since it stared but it's been a boring night so I just read all six pages.

Since I read all of that I believe I earned the opportunity to put in my 2 cents. I don't think that people here are really looking for special treatment, more like a way to redo the setup of the site. I don't think catagorizing the photo section will be the end of the world, nor do I think that giving the s197 section a talk forum. Honestly, I haven't even noticed that this section is a tech section, come on now, I would venture to say that only 1/4 of the threads are truely on topic.

I have agreed with many mods in the past, but there have also been others I have no agreed with. I generally see no point in calling out particular mods because it will usually accomplish nothing but getting your thread locked. They have a job to do but at the same time no one is perfect.

If so many people have such a problem with the way the site is run and layed out, why not defect from this one and all pitch in and create another mustang forum solely for the s197. Hell, I'll pitin in too, I would love to see a forum where they catagoize the for sale section by gen so I don't have to go through thousands of pages looking for s197 parts. :eek:

ORIGINAL: MustangBatman1

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If so many people have such a problem with the way the site is run and layed out, why not defect from this one and all pitch in and create another mustang forum solely for the s197. Hell, I'll pitin in too, I would love to see a forum where they catagoize the for sale section by gen so I don't have to go through thousands of pages looking for s197 parts. :eek:


actually, we are restructuring the classifieds this way currently, bear with us

Glad to hear it, thats been my only real issue with the site so far.

ORIGINAL: MustangBatman1

I've been avoiding this thread since it stared but it's been a boring night so I just read all six pages.

Since I read all of that I believe I earned the opportunity to put in my 2 cents. I don't think that people here are really looking for special treatment, more like a way to redo the setup of the site. I don't think catagorizing the photo section will be the end of the world, nor do I think that giving the s197 section a talk forum. Honestly, I haven't even noticed that this section is a tech section, come on now, I would venture to say that only 1/4 of the threads are truely on topic.

I have agreed with many mods in the past, but there have also been others I have no agreed with. I generally see no point in calling out particular mods because it will usually accomplish nothing but getting your thread locked. They have a job to do but at the same time no one is perfect.

If so many people have such a problem with the way the site is run and layed out, why not defect from this one and all pitch in and create another mustang forum solely for the s197. Hell, I'll pitin in too, I would love to see a forum where they catagoize the for sale section by gen so I don't have to go through thousands of pages looking for s197 parts. :eek:


oo batmans flexing his armored pecs.;)

your just a dam shopaholic and find every dam deal there is out there. Im about to start paying you to shop for parts for me, like one of those people who buy other peoples groceries for them cause they are to lazy to grocerie shop.....Thats me.

p.s let me know how the wrenchin is goin this week. I migth be bored and coem check ya out and hold some tools :D

Its not an easy task to do as we have to sort out all the classified posts and try to get them into the new sections when its up. So that will be first priority. Like i stated, having another "general" section here has been discussed before too.

Let me point this out though. If you read the rules/discriptions of the other generations "general" sections, you still are suppose to be talking about that gen mustang. They are not places to just have OT discussions about your gf/bf, how you are doing at school or whatever. In fact, most threads that are in those sections are pretty much like what is allowed here in the s197 section currently.

Example of stuff that still would not be allowed in that section would be: complaining about cops/tickets this ricer tried to race me relationship threads discussions about other cars, not mustangsAll material would still have to be general discussion concerning s197 mustang.

I think we allow a good deal of stuff already, as stated 1/3 of the threads are true tech threads.

That's the way I understood it from day one.





But... can we have a Beer section?[&:]:D

The dictionary tells me that a forum is, "an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest."

In this case our public interest is S197s. It's nice to be able to come on and get others opinions, be able to see what looksgood and what doesn't.

Not everyone is into just "tech" topics. The nice thing is that everyone here appreciates these cars and has some knowledge about them.

I feel that if you've read one CAI, supercharger, suspension thread, you've read them all. All of these other posts are what keep me coming back.

ORIGINAL: howarmat

Example of stuff that still would not be allowed in that section would be:
complaining about cops/tickets
this ricer tried to race me
relationship threads
discussions about other cars, not mustangs
All material would still have to be general discussion concerning s197 mustang.

That sounds perfect. That other stuff you listed can and should be moved to general OT forum, general s197-specific talk would have it's own forum ("check out my new rims", etc) and the tech forum would be just that - tech and nothing else. Easier to navigate and find info, amd IMO easier to moderate. And the other stang forums should be okay with it since they already have their own general forum.

This is my point right here, over 2 days now and still there. But mine got moved in hours...... Like I said, guess it depends on who the p