Energy Independence as an apollo mission?
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Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:18:24 PM
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Lizardbreath
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What do you think of this?
In order for us to become energy independent, America, needs to come together and fund an apollo type project in our own energy infrastructure. I'm talking balls to the wall type legislation and building here.
Here is a basic outline of what I think would help us best.
1) Tax the profits of the oil companies (up to a certain amount of profits) and use that to invest in alternative energy ( primarily nuclear, wind, and solar)
2) Since we are taxing the oil companies profits we should give them the ability to make up on those profits lost by the tax by allowing them to drill offshore and in alaska.
3) Mandate the auto industry to have a fleet average of 35 MPG.
4) Allow states like Montana and West Virginia more exploratory rights to make plants that convert coal into oil (the cost of this is about 75$ A barrel including labor estimates the Dept. of Energy)
Your thoughts?
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:20:49 PM
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Redneck97
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just drill in alaska
/problem solved
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:22:19 PM
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tokinGLX
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hemp. problem solved.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:22:36 PM
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when you said "apollo mission", i was thinking you meant this:
but yours is good too
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:25:16 PM
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see, when I read "Apollo Mission" I thought this:
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:25:49 PM
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hemp. problem solved.
no shrooms are the answer....you can leave your house with out leaving the couch....
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:30:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lizardbreath
What do you think of this?
In order for us to become energy independent, America, needs to come together and fund an apollo type project in our own energy infrastructure. I'm talking balls to the wall type legislation and building here.
Here is a basic outline of what I think would help us best.
1) Tax the profits of the oil companies (up to a certain amount of profits) and use that to invest in alternative energy ( primarily nuclear, wind, and solar)
no, we tax them then we pay for it.
2) Since we are taxing the oil companies profits we should give them the ability to make up on those profits lost by the tax by allowing them to drill offshore and in alaska.
american companies should be free to buy and drill, no special abilities cause we taxed them.
3) Mandate the auto industry to have a fleet average of 35 MPG.
stupid ass idea plain and simple
4) Allow states like Montana and West Virginia more exploratory rights to make plants that convert coal into oil (the cost of this is about 75$ A barrel including labor estimates the Dept. of Energy)
a company should be able to explore anywhere they own land and mine any property sold to them or the mineral right leased to them.
Your thoughts?
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 3:34:13 PM
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tokinGLX
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henry ford made a car primarily out of hemp( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxlj6fgQ-ZU ). maybe you should learn something about it.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 5:52:23 PM
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henry ford made a car primarily out of hemp( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxlj6fgQ-ZU ). maybe you should learn something about it.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 6:01:38 PM
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fastbackford351
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Taxing the profits of oil companies is the most asinine idea going. If there is a windfall profits tax, they will just produce enough to stay below that threshold and take their business elsewhere.
To attain energy independence the Imperial Federal Government needs to get the hell out of the way and let the myraid corporations who know how to produce the energy, cleanly and safely, produce it. Nuclear, coal-fired, natural, wind, you name it.
But NO! Just this past week, the Democratic house voted once again to forbid drilling in ANWAR. I am completely at a loss as to why that is. Please, Ashram, Lizardbreath, anybody, explain to me why they do this?
Have you people ever seen pictures of ANWAR? It's a place that the companies want to drill is in the middle of a fukking mudflat on the edge of the Earth. The oil companies could have the oil out of that place so nice and neatly the mud-guppys wouldn't even know they were there.
The LIBERAL wing of the government is what is ham-stringing the drive towards U.S. energy independence. And thats a fact.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 6:05:48 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lizardbreath
What do you think of this?
In order for us to become energy independent, America, needs to come together and fund an apollo type project in our own energy infrastructure. I'm talking balls to the wall type legislation and building here.
Here is a basic outline of what I think would help us best.
1) Tax the profits of the oil companies (up to a certain amount of profits) and use that to invest in alternative energy ( primarily nuclear, wind, and solar)
2) Since we are taxing the oil companies profits we should give them the ability to make up on those profits lost by the tax by allowing them to drill offshore and in alaska.
3) Mandate the auto industry to have a fleet average of 35 MPG.
4) Allow states like Montana and West Virginia more exploratory rights to make plants that convert coal into oil (the cost of this is about 75$ A barrel including labor estimates the Dept. of Energy)
Your thoughts?
Instead of Taxing the profits and giving it to the government to waste
Give the oil companies incentives to make cleaner energy systems with
those profits.
1. Pass law that all NEW cars must be Hydrogen powered by 2015
2. Tell oil companies to invest in Hydrogen generation from Water systems
They have the gas stations, know how to make pipelines and distribute product.
3. Make Hydrogen from Water using clean wind energy in Montana and plains states.
4. Pipe Sea Water to use.
We spend VAST amounts of effort and energy to pump, pipe and refine oil.
Just need to put same effort into making Hydrogen for cars using Wind and Nuke power.
Unlimited supply of water, price will be set by manufacturing and distribution costs. Simple
We just need to adjust into Hydrogen powered personal cars.
Leave current oil proudction in place for Diesel, Jet Fuel, Older Cars, Plastics, Fertilizers, ect. ect.
Oil companies stay in business supplying oil and hydrogen, new jobs and profits for EVERYONE.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 6:24:54 PM
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Jesus Christ I can't believe the advocacy I am reading wishing for the death of the performance cars and our standard of living as we know it. And the bitch of it is is that it is for no good reason! The cars today are burning insanely clean. Where are all of the smog choked cities here in America? Where? LA? Ok, well, that is in a bowl. NY? Pittsburgh? I don't know, I don't see too many pictures of American cities covered in a permanant black cloud.
Seems like so many Americans are willing to buy into the absolute garbage our Government is selling the masses. Wake up people.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 6:30:49 PM
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Actually I fly small plane and you wouldnt believe the nasty
brown cloud that you can clearly see hovering over a big city, when you're up in the air.
It clearly stops at the suburbs and is over every city I've seen.
Cars make just as power on hydrogen as gas. Engine doesnt care what it burns.
and Hydrogen makes a nice boom.
My plan also leave gasoline system in place for the next 30-40 years.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 6:40:02 PM
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fastbackford351
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OK. So it's over the cities and stops at the suburbs. Whooptie doo! If you don't like the air, MOVE! My air is just fine.
We should not recklessly hinder our country to appease a bunch of green weenies who do NOT have the best interest of this country at heart, trying to remedy the contrived crisis of global warming. It's crap people! It is a government power and money grab and it's crap!
I don't get it. I just don't get it.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 7:25:58 PM
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OK. So it's over the cities and stops at the suburbs. Whooptie doo! If you don't like the air, MOVE! My air is just fine.
Smog is everywhere!
Most of Southern Ca
Most of the Central Valley in Ca (Smog gets trapped there) not even suburbs. Farmland for the most of it.
Bay Area, Ca ( I grew up in the East Bay. There were days that were so smoggy you could not see the hills 10 miles away)
Sacramento area, Ca
Las Vegas
Mexico City (Air is so bad there, the effects on your lungs is like smoking FOUR packs of cigs)
Dallas (at least when I was there for 3 weeks. I am not there much so that may have been an off-time)
I do think we need cleaner burning cars, it is just a simple opinion. It does not HAVE to mean the end of high-performance by any costs. I imagine that when the gov't initially mandated SMOG equip back in the late 60's or 70's the same thing was said.
I would assume that given enough time and research, any alternative fuel good be made to produce some sort of ultra-high power vehicle.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/15/2008 9:23:34 PM
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OK. So it's over the cities and stops at the suburbs. Whooptie doo! If you don't like the air, MOVE! My air is just fine.
We should not recklessly hinder our country to appease a bunch of green weenies who do NOT have the best interest of this country at heart, trying to remedy the contrived crisis of global warming. It's crap people! It is a government power and money grab and it's crap!
I don't get it. I just don't get it.
I'm constantly amazed by the intelligent and well-informed points of view you have. It's the crazy hippies that would prefer their kids to not have skyrocketing cancer rates from all kinds of pollution, not the people with the best interest of the country in mind. After all, cancer and disease is obviously the best thing for the country.
If you ever crawled out of your cave, you'd notice that every single city with more than 100,000 people living in it has plenty of pollution. Maybe you don't know that the cities of america with the ports and factories are keeping the precious economy alive (you know, the economy that allows you to brag like a little child about how super-mega-powerful the US is). I suppose all the research that creates the cars you hold so dearly is done in the woods, not the big cities where all the laboratories and universties tend to be located. I suppose all the business happens in the woods, not the giant skyscrapers, those are just there for ****s and giggles, and the money to build them actually came from hippies selling reefer and global warming lies.
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RE: Energy Independence as an apollo mission? - 5/16/2008 4:57:36 AM
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fastbackford351
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Why are you speaking to me Redass? You have nothing to say that I want to hear.
You have proven time and again that you are incapable of an open and honest debate on a level playing field. You are just a little man armed with an edit/delete button.
You just sit there and passively 'moderate' me and let me know when I break the rules. Otherwise, do not speak to me.
If you have a problem with that then we can take it back to ROTM.
Again.
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