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Well two questions I have about Obama.
Will he be able to get Universal Healthcare in place? If he does, how much would he raise taxes, and how much would that hurt the paychecks for people in the medical field?
if you want to know how great govt managed health care is just ask any veteran how good their healthcare is. then ponder for a moment do you really want the govt involved in it. hell no!
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No, I meant would the current Pharmaceutical companies/healthcare industries worth billions of dollars let some black dude or an old white lady going through menopause put them out of business.
Largely refusing to join in the war on terror? Come on Ashram. More **** is going on than you and I will ever know about. Most have not joined in Iraq but many, many nations have boots on the ground in Afghanistan so tell me how much we have ruined ties. Most of those countries don't have the ability, much less the will or the treasure to post troops in overseas combat roles but they have contributed mightily with intelligence and cooperation.
The Democrats have been the ones demanding a timetable for withdrawal, then demanding that Iraqi govt meet some contrived political schedule or else we withdraw our support, or saying that 'The war is lost' (Murtha) or that, 'We can't win' (Reid) etc. etc. ad nauseum. If that is not a call to surrender then what is?
Much of the "goodwill" towards the U.S.A. after 9/11 was before they realized how serious we were in confronting the Islamic threat that had been peppering the world with bombs for the previous 20 or so years, and they were ready to keep ducking their heads in the sand.
Spain almost immediately surrendered after joining the fight and they had a couple of train stations blown to smithereens by Al Qaeda as a 'thankyou'.
btw, Great post Tubra.
Alright. You keep thinking that we are somehow "safer" with Bush in Office...even though the very terrorists he has sworn to destroy have grown in size and our influence as a global power has dropped significantly.
Influence as a global power has dropped significantly my ass. Nobody has more influence than the U.S.A.
Uncle Sugar is still the main most man with the clanging brass pair and don't you forget it.
Because of liberalisim we are fighting this war with one hand tied behind our back. FDR is spinning in his grave watching what his party has become. It is no exageration to say that liberalisim is the most serious threat we have to our Republic.
Then again, I am pretty sure Ronaldus Magnus can't be too pleased with the GOP these days either.
Many of our allies have recently elected conservative leaders recognizing that these challanges must be met head on. Don't kid yourself, there isn't a country in Europe that doesn't worry about Al Qaeda. Those bastards don't care who they take out. The higher the number the better they like it.
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I will NOT be voting for any marxist/liberal people who waqnt to raise my already too high taxes. We need to get real seroius about an energy policy and I feel the republicans can do this. We also need to close the borders, get out of NAFTA, and a lot of other things. Just another 'Bitter American'............
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Influence as a global power has dropped significantly my ass. Nobody has more influence than the U.S.A.
Hm. Well you know, logically your influence cannot go down if you remain the most influential power in the world. Right? I mean, that would be like saying a 300 pound man lost weight, but he was still fat; that cannot happen, right? It just... doesn't make sense.
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It is no exageration to say that liberalisim is the most serious threat we have to our Republic.
Hm. And here I thought it was islamic fundamentalism. Stupid me... those damn liberals, saying we have some sort of moral obligation to not hold people indefinately without charges or an ability to appeal their capture, or that we cannot kidnap foreigners in other countries and bring them here, or that we shouldn't be spending billions of dollars on the protection of Iraq instead of spending it on Americans. Darn liberals! Saying all that stuff is the most serious threat we could imagine! WAY worse than a nuke being snuck into one of our cities under the planning of the still-not-captured-or-killed Osama Bin Laden.
Having said that, MAN am I glad you weren't exaggerating!
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I don't dislike blacks, jewish people, and mexicans as a whole. I only dislike the majority that I have met or know of.
You republicans are something else. "we are safer since 9/11" My a$$. We went to Afghanistan, have been there for 5 years and what has happened? NOTHING, AQ has grown and continues to grow. We went to Iraq 5 years ago, what has happened there? NOTHING, except getting rid of Saddam and making bush look like a dumb ass for being so certain their were WMD's, and you can't forget the fact AQ was not in Iraq until we arrived and they are still growing. So lets boil this down, 4000 dead American troops and AQ is a bigger threat than they were before.
Lets not forget that Reagan/Bush supported OBL, and that OBL plotted against the US while they were supporting him(93 was 1 month after Clinton got into office so it couldn't of been planned in a month).
So lets face it, we are losing the war! Our troops are dying while ALQ is growing and becoming a bigger threat to the US on a daily basis. But for some reason, Bush won't send the troops into Pakistan where they know OBL is...I wonder why? Maybe because its not about him, and its not about ALQ. Its about Bush wanting to do what his father failed at, IRAQ!
I vote for who most falls in line with my thinking, beliefs and experiences.
Obama and Billary fail: Universal Health care? I was in the Military, and I am a veteran, and I don't want those SOB's having ANYTHING to do with the health of my family, the Government could F UP a hang nail. Taxes, I pay enough, I don't need to pay more. Democrats make people lazy with their wonderful social programs. Oh, you can't find a job you like? Here sit on your rump and collect this check. They should make un-employement like some countries in Europe: Here is job 1, job 2 and job 3, oh, you don't like any of them? Well, you COULD be working, so, no money for you! Driver's licenses for Illegals? WTF? EVERY Illegal immigrant is a criminal, and should be treated as such. Throw em outa here.
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No, I meant would the current Pharmaceutical companies/healthcare industries worth billions of dollars let some black dude or an old white lady going through menopause put them out of business.
no that would be very good for them, they could push more drugs and raises price.
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Bin Laden may not have been caught but he has been neutered as a threat.
I wonder where the war would be if half the country weren't calling for our surrender? Sedition in time of war should be prosecuted and prosecuted vigorously.
No argument about the borders. Build the wall and build it high & deep.
Is Bin Laden even real? Or was he made up like the "WMD" theory?
I vote for who most falls in line with my thinking, beliefs and experiences.
Obama and Billary fail: Universal Health care? I was in the Military, and I am a veteran, and I don't want those SOB's having ANYTHING to do with the health of my family, the Government could F UP a hang nail. Taxes, I pay enough, I don't need to pay more. Democrats make people lazy with their wonderful social programs. Oh, you can't find a job you like? Here sit on your rump and collect this check. They should make un-employement like some countries in Europe: Here is job 1, job 2 and job 3, oh, you don't like any of them? Well, you COULD be working, so, no money for you! Driver's licenses for Illegals? WTF? EVERY Illegal immigrant is a criminal, and should be treated as such. Throw em outa here.
Sorry, they both fail the common sense test.
you have several good points, except that you seem to think the republicans pass the common sense test. both parties are ****ed up, but I'd rather have lazy people roaming the streets over an executive branch that constantly wipes its ass with the laws of the land.
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Is Bin Laden even real? Or was he made up like the "WMD" theory?
WMD a made up theory? Ask the Kurds if Sadaams WMDs were theoretical. We gave the man almost a year lead time to spirit them out of the country. Dimes to doughnuts those WMDs are in Syria.
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i think its amazing that bin laden pops up whenever the republicans need him to....bushes polls would drop...hers a message from bin laden....support for the war would drop....here comes a bin laden threat....i guarantee you bin laden will be back before the election probably threatening everybody to vote for obama... bin laden used to work for our government right? friggin guy is probably at disney world right now hangin out till they tell him to put the beard back on and look menacing
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if you want to know how great govt managed health care is just ask any veteran how good their healthcare is. then ponder for a moment do you really want the govt involved in it. hell no!
Oh really......interesting how I fit my guys with the exact same circuit/hearing aid that I wear and that I put on my Mom and my Father in law.......guess that kind of service sucks don't it??
No milo, it wasn't at you.....it was the dimbulb jms
Nice points jakecat
Hemi......you are sooooo original.....I'm sure the reason Bush Jr. went to war was to finish daddy's crusade........get a life
Fastback......the #2 air force general for Saddam has reported numerous times that WMDs were sent to Syria.....but, nobody seems to want to listen to that.
Redass.......you are so right.....both parties royally suck at the moment
OKBFD Look it up,"In the aftermath of Sept. 11, President Bush ordered his then top anti-terrorism adviser to look for a link between Iraq and the attacks, despite being told there didn't seem to be one."
"As early as the day after the attacks, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was pushing for retaliatory strikes on Iraq, even though al Qaeda was based in Afghanistan."
"I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection(to Iraq), but the CIA was sitting there, the FBI was sitting there, I was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection."
"I began saying, 'We have to deal with bin Laden; we have to deal with al Qaeda.' Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, said, 'No, no, no. We don't have to deal with al Qaeda. Why are we talking about that little guy? We have to talk about Iraqi terrorism against the United States."
The CIA director warned the White House, Clarke points out. "George Tenet was saying to the White House, saying to the president - because he briefed him every morning - a major al Qaeda attack is going to happen against the United States somewhere in the world in the weeks and months ahead. He said that in June, July, August."
Clarke says the last time the CIA had picked up a similar level of chatter was in December, 1999, when Clarke was the terrorism czar in the Clinton White House.
Clarke says Mr. Clinton ordered his Cabinet to go to battle stations-- meaning, they went on high alert, holding meetings nearly every day.
That, Clarke says, helped thwart a major attack on Los Angeles International Airport, when an al Qaeda operative was stopped at the border with Canada, driving a car full of explosives.
Clarke harshly criticizes President Bush for not going to battle stations when the CIA warned him of a comparable threat in the months before Sept. 11: "He never thought it was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his National Security Adviser to hold a Cabinet-level meeting on the subject."
We’d be on the campaign plane talking about domestic issues and he’d change the subject and start rattling on about what a great evil Saddam Hussein was and how if he won the election he’d finish what he father failed to do – topple Hussein,”
Is Bin Laden even real? Or was he made up like the "WMD" theory?
You know I might almost believe the images you posted up there, except for one thing. Look at the first page, see how the WHOLE page is slanted. Now look at the rest of the pages. The top part with the fax info is slanted but the text is straight? So how is it that the whole first page is slanted, and the tops of the rest of the pages are slanted, but all the text is perfectly straight?
I can't argue that the idiot "W" royally screwed the pooch by ingnoring the info given to him prior to 9/11. I'm not a fanboy of his.
What I can't understand is people like you who disregard the multiple flauntings of UN resolutions, the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and Iran, the shootings at our planes in the no-fly zone, scuds fired at Israel, and the testimony of the Iraqi general who bluntly told us that WMDs were shipped out to Syria in unmarked cargo planes. We'll disregard the incredible human rights violations and the oil for food scandals since stuff like that happens all over the world and the UN is an astonishingly corrupt organization. Should we have gone in? Heck if I know, but the duly elected president of our contry said yes, and was then backed by congress. Should we stay? It seems like a terrible situation, but what are the conseqences of immediately pulling our troops out? Do we need a better exit stategy......ummmmm yeppers
"What I can't understand is people like you who disregard the multiple flauntings of UN resolutions, the use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and Iran"
Yes, but most of what congress was given was a lie. Someone else on here said that he wasn't allowing UN inspections. BS, UN inspectors went in and filed reports that there were NO WMD's. The UN was allowed in because he knew that one screw up and we would be up his poopar...
I guess the things that pisses me off the most about all this would be: 1. Mission changing how many times because every time he said one thing and it was proved false he had another reason for going in. 2. The "Mission Accomplished" sign that Bush stood in front of and said that the mission was accomplished and all major combat had stopped, which now he is saying the sign wasn't for him but for the guys on the boat. BS, thats not what he said in the speech. 3. We went to Iraq/Afghanistan to get rid of the threat. In the 5 years, NOTHING has been accomplished besides taking Saddam down. Al-Qaeda has grown, they are STILL a threat, and the only thing we have to show for it are 4000 dead American troops, and a memorial to the 3000 people that died on 9/11.
So how much longer should this go on? Because the only thing happening are the deaths of our troops overseas, plus the ones commiting suicide when they get back because the GOVERNMENT isn't doing crap for them....
Oh, and the gas prices would probably be lower if we didn't have troops overseas driving around in a war that should of never been started, and Bush didn't feel the neccesity to stockpile oil in the reserves....Sure that 70,000 barrels per day isn't much, but you couple that with the fuel they are blowing overseas that we are paying for and I bet that would reduce the price in the states....
But hey, not trying to be a jackass or any of that, just expressing my opinion. So I hope no one is getting all bent out of shape over this!
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