Just got an email from sutton performance. I had sent them an email regarding gains with the hot rod cams and the nsr cams. I wanted to know which would probably be more suitable for a good gain in hp and good sound. They emailed me back saying that they are about to test the hot rod cams on an s197. They have already done testing with the NSR cams but they will be posting comparisons on forums between the two cams. Just wanted to let people know and give them a heads up to keep an eye out for any of these types of posts...
I know many guys are considering the NSR cams but are in debate when someone suggests the hot rod cams... Im in the same boat...
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yea, the FRPP have been available for a little. I want to wait until Sutton starts posting some of their results. I have heard a youtube clip of the S197 with the hot rods, and they sound mean as hell. I have also seen the clips of the NSR cams on the S197 and its not really that substantial of a difference in idle, which is what I am going for...
Saleen, I know you were going more for sound. The hot rods defenitly accomplish that!
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i honestly dont see how the FRPP cams sound like that but dont require springs....i agree that camming for sound is silly, but just like LTs you get sound and some performance, whether or not you want both.
I never said I was camming my car for sound... but in Saleen's situation why the hell not. The car already has the power, so he is just looking for that unique idle sound that certain cams can provide...
and yes, I do agree that I cant see how cams that dont require springs can make that type of sound. I would hate to think that the guy was joking about having hot rod cams when he really has like stage 1 comps... You are talking about the white S197 on youtube correct?
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yep that would be the one.....hell it sounds like stage 2 almost..granted vids can only tell so much, but that is obviously quite a lopey sound
I know you are are looking for gains more than sound, saleen isnt though, and my thoughts is that he has alot better opportunity to get some very nice gains along with sound if he wants to get some more HP. He is up there on the HP already so i guess its up to him. Just my opinion is all
I recommended stage 2 comps to saleen only because they have a nice idle and comp told me that they were the best for supercharging applications (most hp gains). But like earlier stated, he is in it for the sound.
SirKnight, those cams though in the white S197 still sound rediculous for hot rod cams. That sounds like a car with BBR stage 2 or stage 3 comps... which springs are high recommended. But I probably shouldnt judge based off of sound.
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Id do the hot rod cams. But I might be able to get my buddy to install them for free. But if I do cams I doing ported heads to and I dont have the dough for that so n2o here I come.
I still can't find Stage 3 comp cam video clips for the S197. I find them for the older mustangs. I want to hear what the stage 3 comps that Brenspeed sells sounds like. I already know what kind of power gains to expect. Brenspeed has a pretty nice article on that.
I have heard some bad things about BBR cams so I don't know. When I asked the guys at Brenspeed about them, they didn't seem to excited about them either. There's a reason why they only carry comps. I also would NEVER use re-grinds. I've heard about the material added to re-grinds wear off over time and ruin your valvetrain and possibly more. They're cheaper for a reason.
IMO, Comp Cams are the only cams anyone should consider at this current time for the S197. I was interested in what Crane cams has but there's no info about them to make a good informed decision. Comp cams are quality though for sure.
They have some pretty exciting looking grinds on there. I really like the XFI SPR models. Sure those require more work and tuning, but it looks like they would have the best idle sound and best performance.
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Looking at the dyno chart on that page, the XFI SPR stage 2 is the way to go. You don't lose any power at the low end like you do with NSR and VSR but gain a lot more than those two on the high end. Nice.
Hmm, somehow Jim D'Amore reports a 72 rwhp gain on a NA engine and comps. I wonder if he used the stage 3 XFI SPR, which unfortunately do not show on their dyno chart.
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I will be getting the hot rod cams here shortly. If I get the same sound as the white mustang I will be so stoked!!! Not really getting cams for performance, mostly a sound mod. Call me silly but nothing compares to that lopy idle ,... not even hp.. but I am also s/c so yeah...nuff said..
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SirKinight, I swear I have seen stage 3 comps on youtube. Again, on a restricted server but at work I will look it up. It was a red S197 and the guy shows before and after video clips of his exhaust.
And I agree with you to an extent. Comp is good. I am considering being one of the test subjects however for another company. Im going to wait for Sutton to release their results.
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That's with BBK headers, Bassani catted x-pipe, and Mac muffler. I now have JBA longtubes and off road h-pipe (same Macs) but never got around to making a video yet...
John
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That sounds pretty sweet. Are those the same stage 3 comps that Brenspeed sells?
I'm starting to get confused now. What brenspeed is calling stage 3 is actually stage 2 according to Comp Camps (see the comp cams 3-valve link above). I checked and the part number (127300) and grind numbers (XE261H-15) match. Well mostly, the cams on comp's site says -15.5.
Also, the "stage 3" from the above video sounds a lot more lopey than what I see on youtube called stage 4. I have no idea what the stage 4 is since comp cams does not mention that.
I'm going to send Brenspeed an email about this stage number thing.
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I was at the world street challenge today and stoped by the Ford Racing both and asked what kind of power gains to expect with the hotrod cams and he said on their N/A car they gained 40 rwhp.
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