From the newMotor Trend: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0807_dodge_challenger_srt8_vs_ford_shelby_gt50 0/index.html

The SRT8 Challenger is pretty decent for having an automatic with 3.06 gears.

Interesting thing is that the 2009 Challenger R/T model will offer the TR6060 6 speed manual with a choice of 3.73 gears (with 18 inch wheels) or 3.91 gears (with 20 inch wheels). The 6 speed 5.7 liter is rated at 375 hp. With the manual and 3.73's the 09 R/T should be pretty close to the 2008 SRT8's performance, and most likely be able to run with S197's.

so the gt500 wins in everything and they give the win to the challenger...[sm=bs.gif]

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so the gt500 wins in everything and they give the win to the challenger...[sm=bs.gif]


Exactly what I was thinking, not to mention the GT500 has supercharger whine and can see 11's and 10'sa lot easier than the SRT-8 could.

GT500:
-Faster
-Better tuner car
-Supercharger whine>big engine exhaust
-better handling
-better mpg
-better warranty

Newer bodystyles always take these things though, it's a shame. Not taking away anything from the challenger srt-8, it's bad ass but it will take some good coin to take C6 Z's which the GT500 could do fairly cheaply.

Not to mention the deep pockets one will need justfor the initial purchase ofone of the6400-10,000 initial production models. $37,995? I don'tthink so.

Maybe it rides better, but everything else they said was better was pure opinion.
And actually, the biggest blast they gave the Shelby was once again, a solid rear.

Germans and Italians ARE NOT BUYING this car...lol...we (90% of mustang owners) don't mind a solid rear.

uhhhhhh 2nd place for having a whiney motor? really? Guess they dont know its supercharged:eek:

This is why I don't even pick up magazines like MT anymore. It's all predetermined.

Ever see a comparo of Honda vs. Car X. Car X can be faster, cheaper, handle better and brake better and Honda will win because of a nicer interior. When comparing performance cars, interior is way down the list of concerns. What do you expect though, these guys are all in their 50s. Motortrend is a gay rag of a magazine.

i wipe my ass with MT!

Why does everyone bash a solid rear. That bugs the crap out of me. Solid rears with a good 3 link(the new S197s) can handle quite well and provide a lot of forward bite. The S197's in Grand Am racing have proven that, being faster around a road course than most of their competition(a lot of Porsches). I've heard it refered to as cave man suspension, or horse cairrage suspension. So what, the wheel is a cave man invention but we still use that. But it goes right to what you guys are saying, they're like "Oh, well this car has a solid rear and we don't like the interior, so car X that performs worse is a better performance car." It's just like all the Hemi nutswingers, they see a certain thing and automatically think good or ill. Hemi=good and solid rear=bad seem to be very common, despite the fact that modern non hemi chambers perform equally as well(without even getting back to the issue that Chrysler's Hemi isn't a real hemi chamber) or solid rear setups can cut corners and provide good traction. People look too much at names/numbers/things and not enough at results

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so the gt500 wins in everything and they give the win to the challenger...[sm=bs.gif]
Those car magazines are retarded. I'd take the shelby over that mopar any day!

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i wipe my ass with MT!
Ya might wanna use charmin 2 ply. It's softer & cheaper.:D

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i wipe my ass with MT!
Ya might wanna use charmin 2 ply. It's softer & cheaper.:D


Or do like us campers in an emergeny.....crumple it up multiple times :D I much prefer C&D to MT.....but they both have their bias

I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.

I work with a guy that just bought a shelby for sticker.

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.


Bagh, just because Dodge has already sold almost all of the '08's doesnt mean that dealerships would DARE up the price on the remaining '08'/09 models coming out *sarcasm? you decide*

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



Yeah, probably because I prefer the look of Mopar cars. I don't see what your getting at, of course I prefer the look of the Challenger, look at them. They are both great american muscle cars, but the 60k for a 500hp car with the interior of a 30k car is a little ridiculous to me. I don't understand what your trying to get at, does it really hurt your feelings that bad that I pick the car I like better? Different people have different views.

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any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.


Bagh, just because Dodge has already sold almost all of the '08's doesnt mean that dealerships would DARE up the price on the remaining '08'/09 models coming out *sarcasm? you decide*



Better than the 20k markups you see on the GT500's.

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



lol +2.

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



lol +2.


I don't see anything wrong with that, do you? It's personal opinion, I prefer the look of it. Thats like me saying "LOL, PERSON THAT OWNS THE MUSTANG LIKES THE COBRA BETTER. LOL HOW STUPID !!!"

Better than the 20k markups you see on the GT500's.

So it's a contest to see who can get a smallest dealer markup?

I was'nt trying to make a competition, I'm just stating that if you think you can get a Challenger (this year or next) for anywhere near sticker, you're nuts.

Several people on here have know someone who has picked up a GT500 for sticker.

I have a feeling that as soon as the new Camaro drops the Challenger comes down to near sticker.

i agree motor trend tends to be very bias. The challenger was out-perform in alomst every category and still won "yeah right :D". The shelby still way sexier imo.

I was in LOVE with the way the new challenger looked.. then it really occured to me.. it isn't just similiar to the 1970 challenger.. it looks almost exactly the same.. the designers must have used 0 effort in coming up with the design.. atleast the s197 only borrowed sections from previous years to make it stand out and look different from any other model year..(+the retro dash in s197) I still like the looks of the challenger but its just a 1970 shell on a charger.. wow.. how impressive. [:'(][:@]

Ijust noticed in Skillzdatkillz sig, he lists his 08 as having AWD. I wasnt aware of this as an option. I havent looked it up recently neither. Is it a typo or true?

^ You mean on the challenger? A Muscle car awd ftw lol

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Ijust noticed in Skillzdatkillz sig, he lists his 08 as having AWD. I wasnt aware of this as an option. I havent looked it up recently neither. Is it a typo or true?


Yeah, it's true. It's been available since 07 I believe.

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Better than the 20k markups you see on the GT500's.

So it's a contest to see who can get a smallest dealer markup?

I was'nt trying to make a competition, I'm just stating that if you think you can get a Challenger (this year or next) for anywhere near sticker, you're nuts.

Several people on here have know someone who has picked up a GT500 for sticker.



I never said anything about it being a contest, but when somebody brings up markups on the Challenger, you can't forgot about Ford almost doubling the price of the GT500 in markups.

but when somebody brings up markups on the Challenger, you can't forgot about Ford almost doubling the price of the GT500 in markups.

Nobody is forgetting about the 12-20K markups (definately not double) that are almost gone now.

Like I said earlier, at least a couple members here have bought them for sticker.

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but when somebody brings up markups on the Challenger, you can't forgot about Ford almost doubling the price of the GT500 in markups.

Nobody is forgetting about the 12-20K markups (definately not double) that are almost gone now.

Like I said earlier, at least a couple members here have bought them for sticker.



I just went car shopping around two months ago and seen a red GT500 trying to sell for 63k..pfft. No thank you, I will take my 08 SRT8 and mod it rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.

^^^ crazy :D

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I just went car shopping around two months ago and seen a red GT500 trying to sell for 63k..pfft. No thank you, I will take my 08 SRT8 and mod it rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.



Where the **** do you live? From personal experiences, my dad's friend got a GT500 from a Ford dealership closing down for $40k and my dad and I test drove a GT500 at another dealership that was marked down to $42k. Plus, my dad who is a huge mopar guy, talked to a salesman at a dealership where he got his hemi jeep and my mom's hemi charger and said that they already sold-out all the challengers for this year and mark-ups on all of them were $20k-$25k depending on which color you wanted. And the charger SRT-8's Ibelieveare no longer marked up at all, even though whenever I see one at a dealership they sell very quick.

rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.

And you were doing such a good job of keeping your cool...??

What warranted that?

as for the bold, we've already established, nobody is paying that.. thats why they're coming back down

Relax, Frankie. Don't you remember the last sh!tstorm you started?

I'm glad you will go with the Dodge - one more GT500 sitting at the dealership.

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Relax, Frankie. don't you remember the last sh!tstorm you started?

I'm glad you will the Dodge - one more GT500 sitting at the dealership.



Huh?


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rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.

And you were doing such a good job of keeping your cool...??

What warranted that?

as for the bold, we've already established, nobody is paying that.. thats why they're coming back down



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I just went car shopping around two months ago and seen a red GT500 trying to sell for 63k..pfft. No thank you, I will take my 08 SRT8 and mod it rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.



Where the **** do you live? From personal experiences, my dad's friend got a GT500 from a Ford dealership closing down for $40k and my dad and I test drove a GT500 at another dealership that was marked down to $42k. Plus, my dad who is a huge mopar guy, talked to a salesman at a dealership where he got his hemi jeep and my mom's hemi charger and said that they already sold-out all the challengers for this year and mark-ups on all of them were $20k-$25k depending on which color you wanted. And the charger SRT-8's Ibelieveare no longer marked up at all, even though whenever I see one at a dealership they sell very quick.


There are GT500's trying to be sold for 60k+, I will bet you money on that. I have seen numerous ones at dealerships going for that. I just checked the other day on autotrader and seen 5-6 USED GT500's dealers were trying to sell for basically 60k.

^^^^ those are sellers that wants to be smart ass. The price for the shelby has dramatically drop down. Although theere are some stupid people with loads of money who pay the 60k [:@]they think it makes them special

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There are GT500's trying to be sold for 60k+, I will bet you money on that. I have seen numerous ones at dealerships going for that. I just checked the other day on autotrader and seen 5-6 USED GT500's dealers were trying to sell for basically 60k.


Did the autotrader and cars.com search, you are right. But I guarantee you that none of those will sell, anyone in their right mind would search around andbuy one for no more than $50k.All we were trying to say is,thecheapest easy to find GT500's go for no more than$50k if your willingto look.While the challengers that are coming out aren't beingsoldfor less than $60k with no options. Sorryfor the giant rant, but that's all we're trying toget at. And the facts that were statedbefore, as right now for the money. The GT500 is:
-Faster
-Cheaper to make really fast
-Better handler
-Better warrantied
-Better MPG wise
-And has roots whine

^^^^ at last u came on with a good reasoning bro :D. so what happend with the LS1 [:-]

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^^^^ at last u came on with a good reasoning bro :D. so what happend with the LS1 [:-]


LS1? [sm=WTFsgign.gif]

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



Sorta like the people favoring the GT500 owning mustangs?

:eek:

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



Sorta like the people favoring the GT500 owning mustangs?

:eek:



Or like the people picking the mustang on the mustang forum?

:eek::eek:

There are morons trying to sell X car for X more than they should, that doesnt mean it's sane.

I'm not arguing that the GT500's were, and some are still marked up, but if you really want one, and search hard enough, I'm sure you can find one for sticker, or VERY VERY close

(i can remember a USED GT500 with 3-4K miles being asked 69,995 for...that doenst mean it reflects the norm)

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There are GT500's trying to be sold for 60k+, I will bet you money on that. I have seen numerous ones at dealerships going for that. I just checked the other day on autotrader and seen 5-6 USED GT500's dealers were trying to sell for basically 60k.


Did the autotrader and cars.com search, you are right. But I guarantee you that none of those will sell, anyone in their right mind would search around andbuy one for no more than $50k.All we were trying to say is,thecheapest easy to find GT500's go for no more than$50k if your willingto look.While the challengers that are coming out aren't beingsoldfor less than $60k with no options. Sorryfor the giant rant, but that's all we're trying toget at. And the facts that were statedbefore, as right now for the money. The GT500 is:
-Faster
-Cheaper to make really fast
-Better handler
-Better warrantied
-Better MPG wise
-And has roots whine


When the GT500's first came out they were probably going for around 65k, is that correct? I have heard people getting there SRT8's fully loaded for around 50kish on the internet, which yes is a markup, but for a limited run first year car thats actually pretty good.

I agree, it is the overall faster and better performance car, but since when can I not like another car because of that? I personally like the Challenger better, there is a Mustang going down the road every second, and I mean that with no disrespect. The Challenger just looks so different than anything else out right now, it looks very aggresive to me. I never once said that the SRT8 was faster, at least I don't think so. I simply stated my opinion and got idiots with the IQ of a grade schooler bashing me.

Me, I love both cars. I just simply have a thing for the Challenger, personal opinion. Why these retards feel the need to throw jabs at me on the internet about my opinion is beyond me, possibly because half of them have no other life than to sit here and talk about there cars rather than drive them.

So when are you picking up that new Challenger?

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



lol +2.


I don't see anything wrong with that, do you? It's personal opinion, I prefer the look of it. Thats like me saying "LOL, PERSON THAT OWNS THE MUSTANG LIKES THE COBRA BETTER. LOL HOW STUPID !!!"



There is nothing wrong with it. I wouldn't buy either one... Especially since the CTSV is going to rape both of them...with better interior to boot.

OK, I was just pointing out that you said you'd prefer an SRT-8 challenger over the GT500 from a costs stand point which makes no sense at this given point in time from an economic stand point and a few other stand points. Looks is all based on opinion, but yes the challenger will definitely stand out a lot more than the gt500 due to the overpopulating of the mustangs in the world :D

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



lol +2.


I don't see anything wrong with that, do you? It's personal opinion, I prefer the look of it. Thats like me saying "LOL, PERSON THAT OWNS THE MUSTANG LIKES THE COBRA BETTER. LOL HOW STUPID !!!"



There is nothing wrong with it. I wouldn't buy either one... Especially since the CTSV is going to rape both of them...with better interior to boot.


Finally someone that can see there are other cars on planet earth besides the Mustang. Yeah the new CTSV's are beastly but are probably going to be way to expensive for most of us, dad might get one I really don't know..

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



Sorta like the people favoring the GT500 owning mustangs?

:eek:



Or like the people picking the mustang on the mustang forum?

:eek::eek:



Maybe we should all hide our true feelings and pick the Stang no matter what the opposition...after all we are free to be oblivious since we are on a Stang forum

Basically there is nothing wrong with picking the Stang in here..but calling someone out because he favors the challenger over the Gt500? Come on. Get real

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


lol, the first person to pick the challeger just happens to own a charger.

any who, good luck getting a challenger without a 10k+ mark up in the next year.



Sorta like the people favoring the GT500 owning mustangs?

:eek:



Or like the people picking the mustang on the mustang forum?

:eek::eek:



Maybe we should all hide our true feelings and pick the Stang no matter what the opposition...after all we are free to be oblivious since we are on a Stang forum

Basically there nothing wrong, about picking the Stang here..but calling someone out because he favors the challenger over the Gt500? Come on. Get real


GT500 or Bugatti Veyron?

The CTS-V, LOL. The 09cts-v is supposed to have abouta $60k base price with no options or mark-ups, your getting close to C6 Z territory there :D

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The CTS-V, LOL. The 09Â*cts-v is supposed to have aboutÂ*a $60k base price with no options or mark-ups, your getting close to C6 Z territory there :D


No options on a CTSV will be far more luxurious than most American cars will touch. Plus a 550hp motor isn't a bad place to start.

One of my customers offered to sell me this today. He is trading up to an F430. You had to see the interioir of this car to truly appreciate it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/img243.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/img244.jpg

It sounded awesome when he started it up. Yeah, my Z is faster, but whatever. This was a thing of beauty. It's an '06. I think he said he paid $125k for it.

No thanks[:'(]. Definitely a lot of better cars going for $125K i

But I can imagine it's pretty nice inside..

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No thanks[:'(]. Definitely a lot of better cars going for $125K i

But I can imagine it's pretty nice inside..


Can you name some better luxury sports cars at that price for us?

I recently bought my GT500 for MSRP.They are readily available in my area.The Challenger is a good looking car,I drove a 73' 340 in Highschool,So I have some history with old Mopars.They didn't build a better car though.

I throw price out the window when it comes to these cars.

I like the new M5 quite a bit too, but I think the Masserati looks better.

Complete highjack now. I want one of these:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/1-ferrari-430-scuderia.jpg

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No thanks[:'(]. Definitely a lot of better cars going for $125K i

But I can imagine it's pretty nice inside..


Can you name some better luxury sports cars at that price for us?


I didn't say better luxury sports cars, I said better cars.

In my opinion, the M6, AMG Mercedes and 911 turbo would have a spot in my garage before a Masserati would.

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No thanks[:'(]. Definitely a lot of better cars going for $125K i

But I can imagine it's pretty nice inside..


Can you name some better luxury sports cars at that price for us?


I didn't say better luxury sports cars, I said better cars.

In my opinion, the M6, AMG Mercedes and 911 turbo would have a spot in my garage before a Masserati would.


Me too, but that's what I was trying to prove. The maserati is a great car for what it is at that price range. But like most people on this site, we're more intospeed above beautiful/insanely comfortable interior with lots of features.

And that Ferrari is insane. Similar to a vette, but sexier I must say :D

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Why does everyone bash a solid rear. That bugs the crap out of me. Solid rears with a good 3 link(the new S197s) can handle quite well and provide a lot of forward bite. The S197's in Grand Am racing have proven that, being faster around a road course than most of their competition(a lot of Porsches). I've heard it refered to as cave man suspension, or horse cairrage suspension. So what, the wheel is a cave man invention but we still use that. But it goes right to what you guys are saying, they're like "Oh, well this car has a solid rear and we don't like the interior, so car X that performs worse is a better performance car." It's just like all the Hemi nutswingers, they see a certain thing and automatically think good or ill. Hemi=good and solid rear=bad seem to be very common, despite the fact that modern non hemi chambers perform equally as well(without even getting back to the issue that Chrysler's Hemi isn't a real hemi chamber) or solid rear setups can cut corners and provide good traction. People look too much at names/numbers/things and not enough at results


I read a few years ago that some peeps betched about the fact that the new stangs didnt have independent rears. Ford engineers said they chose to keep the solid rear because its cheaper and lighter.

here you go.. i'll be mustang owner doing the dreaded... i think it was edmonds or motortrend that did a shelby GT vs STI ('08 I believe) both MSRP at like 39k.. (maybe shelby GT is 1 or 2k less) anyway.. they said STI was better and at that price, I'd have to agree.. If I could only pick between those 2 cars I would go with the STI even though it is way uglier.. on the other hand.. I live in the real world where I can get STI performance (-awd handling) for 15,000 less... so.. I go with GT..

as far as Challenger being much cheaper than a GT500.. no.. 5,000 less once it hits that point its getting in the 40k+ range 5,000 isn't as big of a difference as it is in the 20k range. At the Ford dealership here they are selling GT500s at MSRP.. and in Montana we don't get too many GT500s in.. the sell as fast as they come in so if right now you go see one sitting in a lot and you tell them you'll give them MSRP for it I'll bet you they would sell it to you.. and I'm gonna ignore that first year challenger mark up because we all know that will go away soon enough..

and if someone is really getting an 08' challenger for 50k on the internet and its not a scam I'll be surprised.. ofcourse they are still paying more than a GT500 for it.. and it is a very unique looking car.. except when you see a 1970 challenger and people wont be able to tell the difference between the 2 ;)

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here you go.. i'll be mustang owner doing the dreaded... i think it was edmonds or motortrend that did a shelby GT vs STI ('08 I believe) both MSRP at like 39k.. (maybe shelby GT is 1 or 2k less) anyway.. they said STI was better and at that price, I'd have to agree.. If I could only pick between those 2 cars I would go with the STI even though it is way uglier.. on the other hand.. I live in the real world where I can get STI performance (-awd handling) for 15,000 less... so.. I go with GT..

as far as Challenger being much cheaper than a GT500.. no.. 5,000 less once it hits that point its getting in the 40k+ range 5,000 isn't as big of a difference as it is in the 20k range. At the Ford dealership here they are selling GT500s at MSRP.. and in Montana we don't get too many GT500s in.. the sell as fast as they come in so if right now you go see one sitting in a lot and you tell them you'll give them MSRP for it I'll bet you they would sell it to you.. and I'm gonna ignore that first year challenger mark up because we all know that will go away soon enough..

and if someone is really getting an 08' challenger for 50k on the internet and its not a scam I'll be surprised.. ofcourse they are still paying more than a GT500 for it.. and it is a very unique looking car.. except when you see a 1970 challenger and people wont be able to tell the difference between the 2 ;)



I have yet to see a 1970 Challenger going through town anywhere, and probably won't anytime soon. How many do you see daily? I hope that wink means your kidding..lol.

yes.. it does...

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here you go.. i'll be mustang owner doing the dreaded... i think it was edmonds or motortrend that did a shelby GT vs STI ('08 I believe) both MSRP at like 39k.. (maybe shelby GT is 1 or 2k less) anyway.. they said STI was better and at that price, I'd have to agree.. If I could only pick between those 2 cars I would go with the STI even though it is way uglier.. on the other hand.. I live in the real world where I can get STI performance (-awd handling) for 15,000 less... so.. I go with GT..

as far as Challenger being much cheaper than a GT500.. no.. 5,000 less once it hits that point its getting in the 40k+ range 5,000 isn't as big of a difference as it is in the 20k range. At the Ford dealership here they are selling GT500s at MSRP.. and in Montana we don't get too many GT500s in.. the sell as fast as they come in so if right now you go see one sitting in a lot and you tell them you'll give them MSRP for it I'll bet you they would sell it to you.. and I'm gonna ignore that first year challenger mark up because we all know that will go away soon enough..

and if someone is really getting an 08' challenger for 50k on the internet and its not a scam I'll be surprised.. ofcourse they are still paying more than a GT500 for it.. and it is a very unique looking car.. except when you see a 1970 challenger and people wont be able to tell the difference between the 2 ;)



Am I the only person who likes the looks of the STI?

I always get ragged on by friends too for liking this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg
Over this:
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9746/2009lancerevoxver2smallev3.jpg

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

here you go.. i'll be mustang owner doing the dreaded... i think it was edmonds or motortrend that did a shelby GT vs STI ('08 I believe) both MSRP at like 39k.. (maybe shelby GT is 1 or 2k less) anyway.. they said STI was better and at that price, I'd have to agree.. If I could only pick between those 2 cars I would go with the STI even though it is way uglier.. on the other hand.. I live in the real world where I can get STI performance (-awd handling) for 15,000 less... so.. I go with GT..

as far as Challenger being much cheaper than a GT500.. no.. 5,000 less once it hits that point its getting in the 40k+ range 5,000 isn't as big of a difference as it is in the 20k range. At the Ford dealership here they are selling GT500s at MSRP.. and in Montana we don't get too many GT500s in.. the sell as fast as they come in so if right now you go see one sitting in a lot and you tell them you'll give them MSRP for it I'll bet you they would sell it to you.. and I'm gonna ignore that first year challenger mark up because we all know that will go away soon enough..

and if someone is really getting an 08' challenger for 50k on the internet and its not a scam I'll be surprised.. ofcourse they are still paying more than a GT500 for it.. and it is a very unique looking car.. except when you see a 1970 challenger and people wont be able to tell the difference between the 2 ;)



Am I the only person who likes the looks of the STI?

I always get ragged on by friends too for liking this:
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/seo/500/2006.subaru.impreza.wrx.sti.jpg
Over this:
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/9746/2009lancerevoxver2smallev3.jpg


STI's are ugly, id love to have a Evo X. I think thats what that is anyway, those things are nice..STI's look like pure shat imo.

Scoobie>Evo X.

STI[:'(]EVO[:'(]

Same sh!t different toilet.

IMO;):D

EVO > STI > SRT-4 [&o]

The08 Challengers are obviously not going to be as quick as the 09's. The '09 has the trak pak option which will include a 3.90 axle ratio vs. standard 3.06, and the 6-speed manual.Considering the 08 is essentially abasement 13 second car, the 09 with a trak pak option should be capable of high 12's.

2010 the SRT8 line upwas/is slated to receive the 6.4 500+hp hemi.Based on the current costs of fuel,that might be a little iffy.

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I just went car shopping around two months ago and seen a red GT500 trying to sell for 63k..pfft. No thank you, I will take my 08 SRT8 and mod it rather than wasting 20k for some cobra badges, a supercharger, and a different grill. No way am I spending 63-65k on a car with 500hp, prehistoric suspension, all while having the same interior (wait a second, IT HAS COBRA BADGES ON THE SEATS) of the lower model 30k car. Call me crazy.



Where the **** do you live? From personal experiences, my dad's friend got a GT500 from a Ford dealership closing down for $40k and my dad and I test drove a GT500 at another dealership that was marked down to $42k. Plus, my dad who is a huge mopar guy, talked to a salesman at a dealership where he got his hemi jeep and my mom's hemi charger and said that they already sold-out all the challengers for this year and mark-ups on all of them were $20k-$25k depending on which color you wanted. And the charger SRT-8's Ibelieveare no longer marked up at all, even though whenever I see one at a dealership they sell very quick.



My dad can beat your dad up

















Those damn things still go for 70-80k up here[:@]


Anyone want to go halfers with one out of the US and sell it up here.....we could sell it for 60 and still turn a tidy profit:D

i love the look of the sti steel,well the older ones any way the new ones look like ass and perform like ass too.

Hey Frankie. The STI may be ugly, but at least it doesn't look like something my grandfather would drive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/Dodge-Charger-R_T.jpg

Come on now. You bring the kids to soccer practice in that.

^^^^^^^^^^[sm=laughat.gif]


This is a different story.

http://www.pisnnapalm.com/pics/2008PhillyAutoShow/0209081135.jpg

raced it, beat it, my wife wants it

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^^^^^^^^^^[sm=laughat.gif]


This is a different story.

http://www.pisnnapalm.com/pics/2008PhillyAutoShow/0209081135.jpg
I seen that exact type of car (same color, wheels etc)on 13 in delaware yesterday. It'll get your attention pretty quick! The one I seen had rumble bee stickers on the sides. Sexy car!

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Hey Frankie. The STI may be ugly, but at least it doesn't look like something my grandfather would drive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/Dodge-Charger-R_T.jpg

Come on now. You bring the kids to soccer practice in that.



Say whatever you want about the Charger, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I love the car and wouldn't trade it for any mustang, with the exception of a GT500. Of course, you pick the base model charger to display how much you dislike the car, no surprise there. Good work man, you really showed me up on that one.

http://www.dracutforum.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/good_job_blue_ribbon.png

I've only seen one SRT-8 Charger, and I knew exactly what it was about a quarter mile down the road coming at me. SHARP car.

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I've only seen one SRT-8 Charger, and I knew exactly what it was about a quarter mile down the road coming at me. SHARP car.





Someone that can actually see that there are cars out there besides the Mustang. I personally think the Chargers are some of the best looking cars on the road, look very bold and aggressive to me.

They are nice, but for 40K for a car that runs low 13's, far and few running uber high 12's, I'll pass. Looks good, not my cup of tea.

LOL notice all 3 people looking at it!

The SRT8 Chargers are sexy as hell in my opinion.

they look good, i would drive one, but not for 40k+ i would rather get a termie or a gt500...my preferance is the termie

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The CTS-V, LOL. The 09cts-v is supposed to have abouta $60k base price with no options or mark-ups, your getting close to C6 Z territory there :D


No options on a CTSV will be far more luxurious than most American cars will touch. Plus a 550hp motor isn't a bad place to start.


TIMES 1000000000000000..............

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^^^^^^^^^^[sm=laughat.gif]


This is a different story.

http://www.pisnnapalm.com/pics/2008PhillyAutoShow/0209081135.jpg

I don't care what you add on to this car. It's ugly!

The SRT version of the Charger is OK. The base version looks like a plain Jane sedan. It certainly doesn't look like what I percieve a Charger should look like.

IMHO, this is what a Charger should look like:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/Dodge383magnum-blackfrontview-sstvw.jpg

The new ones just don't do it for me. It doesn't even look like a muscle car. The SRT version looks like a sedan dressed up for Halloween. At least Dodge got a clue and did it right with the Challenger. I love the way that car looks.

I love the way I show everybody that it's not wrong to have an opinion on the Challenger, and then I just get "WELL THE CHARGER IS UGLY LOL". This place really has some characters.

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I love the way I show everybody that it's not wrong to have an opinion on the Challenger, and then I just get "WELL THE CHARGER IS UGLY LOL". This place really has some characters.



Well I like the Charger and it rides very smooth.

But one must consider where he is...

I really like the looks of the new chargers, I would buy one as a daily driver but to me its more of a sedan than a sports car.....I personally would never daily drive a mustang


But thats just me

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I really like the looks of the new chargers, I would buy one as a daily driver but to me its more of a sedan than a sports car.....I personally would never daily drive a mustang


But thats just me



Why not?

I drove my mustang maybe once in the winter, and it was one of the worst vehicles I have ever driven in the winter ever![&:]


They are more of a sports car to me, where as a chrager is a sports sedan, thats just the way I look at it


Any mustang I ever own will just be a "toy" for screwing around with on the weekends etc

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I drove my mustang maybe once in the winter, and it was one of the worst vehicles I have ever driven in the winter ever![&:]


They are more of a sports car to me, where as a chrager is a sports sedan, thats just the way I look at it


Any mustang I ever own will just be a "toy" for screwing around with on the weekends etc


I don't think Mustangs are on the "toy" level. There are far too cheap for that. To me a Mustang is a daily driver.

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Maybe it rides better, but everything else they said was better was pure opinion.
And actually, the biggest blast they gave the Shelby was once again, a solid rear.

Germans and Italians ARE NOT BUYING this car...lol...we (90% of mustang owners) don't mind a solid rear.



What 'choo talkin' 'bout, Willis? I was born and raised in an Italian household with English as my 2nd language. I drive a Mustang

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I drove my mustang maybe once in the winter, and it was one of the worst vehicles I have ever driven in the winter ever![&:]


They are more of a sports car to me, where as a chrager is a sports sedan, thats just the way I look at it


Any mustang I ever own will just be a "toy" for screwing around with on the weekends etc


I don't think Mustangs are on the "toy" level. There are far too cheap for that. To me a Mustang is a daily driver.


Sorry I can't afford a Z06 right now, besides a 40,000 dollar car (what they cost new up here)is definatly at the "toy" level for alot of people who don't have 100,000 dollars burning a hole in their pocket

Who ever said corvette owners are snobs[8D]

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I drove my mustang maybe once in the winter, and it was one of the worst vehicles I have ever driven in the winter ever![&:]


They are more of a sports car to me, where as a chrager is a sports sedan, thats just the way I look at it


Any mustang I ever own will just be a "toy" for screwing around with on the weekends etc


I don't think Mustangs are on the "toy" level. There are far too cheap for that. To me a Mustang is a daily driver.


Sorry I can't afford a Z06 right now, besides a 40,000 dollar car (what they cost new up here)is definatly at the "toy" level for alot of people who don't have 100,000 dollars burning a hole in their pocket

Who ever said corvette owners are snobs[8D]


The Corvette is a daily driver. Some people driver theirs daily. I don't look at my Vette as being on "toy" status and I damn sure don't think a mass produced, popular muscle car like the Stang is on "toy" status. But I guess it's all up to how people value their possesions...

Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D

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Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop.Â* Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



Shut up D.. I mean Bick.

I'll admit my Z06 is a toy. I wouldn't have it as my only vehicle. It sucks in the rain and the cold and I drive way too many mile back and forth to work to DD the 'Vette. Who wants to roll on 150k in 5 years on a $70,000 car? Not I.

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I'll admit my Z06 is a toy.Â* I wouldn't have it as my only vehicle.Â* It sucks in the rain and the cold and I drive way too many mile back and forth to work to DD the 'Vette.Â* Who wants to roll on 150k in 5 years on a $70,000 car?Â* Not I.


I drive mine all year long out here in Cali. I don't worry about miles either. I like to enjoy the car. The only thing that keeps me in the Stang is the Traffic out here.

Personally the challenger looks a lot better than the gt500 IMO. The gt500 blends in too well when looking at other appearance modded s197. The challenger looks down right badass. Sorry for jumping back on topic.[8D]And Rog, my mustang may have been cheap, but it's all my broke collegiate ass could afford.:DAfter The turbo is installed, then can it be my "toy"?[8D]

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Personally the challenger looks a lot better than the gt500 IMO. The gt500 blends in too well when looking at other appearance modded s197. The challenger looks down right badass. Sorry for jumping back on topic.[8D]Â*And Rog, my mustang may have been cheap, but it's all my broke collegiate ass could afford.:DÂ*After The turbo is installed, then can it be my "toy"?[8D]


Wasn't the affordability one of the main reasons you bought your mustang. Mine was cheap as hell. Not cheaply built but cheap. A toy is not a car that the average person can readily afford.

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Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



I'm completely calm, but I would appreciate it if you would quit acting like a five year old kid. Bash someone because they have a different taste in cars, nice one. I'm not your son, show some respect if you want any back. And yeah, tell her she left her clothes over here while your at it, they have been laying beside my bed for the past week.

Keep coming at me man, because I'm not about to let you take jabs at me and then say "relax,son" and everything be okay.

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ORIGINAL: Projectquick

Personally the challenger looks a lot better than the gt500 IMO. The gt500 blends in too well when looking at other appearance modded s197. The challenger looks down right badass. Sorry for jumping back on topic.[8D]And Rog, my mustang may have been cheap, but it's all my broke collegiate ass could afford.:DAfter The turbo is installed, then can it be my "toy"?[8D]


Wasn't the affordability one of the main reasons you bought your mustang. Mine was cheap as hell. Not cheaply built but cheap. A toy is not a car that the average person can readily afford.

Not really. Affordability was one of the reasons I was able to buy it so soon, not the reason I got it. There are a few cars that I would really want to own and a fox has always been on the list, I even got rid of an 02 new edge to getone, sure its no faster thanthe new edgeeven modded, but still. I have always considered things like motorcycles and cars that only go out for purely pleasure to be a toy. Things like your vette and all thoseother expensive supercars are going to be my toys after I'm older and rich.:D

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



I'm completely calm, but I would appreciate it if you would quit acting like a five year old kid. Bash someone because they have a different taste in cars, nice one. I'm not your son, show some respect if you want any back. And yeah, tell her she left her clothes over here while your at it, they have been laying beside my bed for the past week.

Keep coming at me man, because I'm not about to let you take jabs at me and then say "relax,son" and everything be okay.



I know you're not my son. I'd have enough sense to use a rubber - probably 3 of them and a quart of Jack Daniels.

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ORIGINAL: SkillzDatKillz

ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



I'm completely calm, but I would appreciate it if you would quit acting like a five year old kid. Bash someone because they have a different taste in cars, nice one. I'm not your son, show some respect if you want any back. And yeah, tell her she left her clothes over here while your at it, they have been laying beside my bed for the past week.

Keep coming at me man, because I'm not about to let you take jabs at me and then say "relax,son" and everything be okay.



I know you're not my son. I'd have enough sense to use a rubber - probably 3 of them and a quart of Jack Daniels.


[sm=icon_rofl.gif]

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



I'm completely calm, but I would appreciate it if you would quit acting like a five year old kid. Bash someone because they have a different taste in cars, nice one. I'm not your son, show some respect if you want any back. And yeah, tell her she left her clothes over here while your at it, they have been laying beside my bed for the past week.

Keep coming at me man, because I'm not about to let you take jabs at me and then say "relax,son" and everything be okay.



I know you're not my son. I'd have enough sense to use a rubber - probably 3 of them and a quart of Jack Daniels.


1st, that's disgusting skills. His mom must be at least 60yrs old and I don't expect anyone to have sex with anyone over 60yrs old unless they are married to them or playboy playmates(con hugh hefner).

2nd. LOL, but seriously don't use three, if you use 2 or more condomsthey all break. Don't ask how I know [&:]

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

Frankie - my mom needs to go grocery shopping and her car is in the shop. Can she borrow yours?

Relax, son.:D



I'm completely calm, but I would appreciate it if you would quit acting like a five year old kid. Bash someone because they have a different taste in cars, nice one. I'm not your son, show some respect if you want any back. And yeah, tell her she left her clothes over here while your at it, they have been laying beside my bed for the past week.

Keep coming at me man, because I'm not about to let you take jabs at me and then say "relax,son" and everything be okay.



I know you're not my son. I'd have enough sense to use a rubber - probably 3 of them and a quart of Jack Daniels.



Use three rubbers? Are you an idiot? One, you can't feel a thing. Two, using multiple condoms actually gives you less protection as there is a high chance they will break. Of course, you won't have to worry about that, as you probably won't be getting any anytime soon.

[sm=why.gif]

When is the 6.4L Hemi due on the streets?

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

When is the 6.4L Hemi due on the streets?


Who knows if it will actually come, gas prices are getting ridiculous. I would guess the 2010 model, I think I heard that anyway.

ford has built about a year and a half of production GT500 by now, and I still havent seen more then 4 since I got mine in 06, I live in SoCal and you would expect to see a $HIT load of them but you dont,......... How many Challengers do you expect to see in the first year with only 6400 units for 08, talk about garage queens.

I've seen a few out here in Pasadena. Older guys usually...

ORIGINAL: SkillzDatKillz

ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

Hey Frankie. The STI may be ugly, but at least it doesn't look like something my grandfather would drive.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v358/ECondreras/Dodge-Charger-R_T.jpg

Come on now. You bring the kids to soccer practice in that.



Say whatever you want about the Charger, it doesn't hurt my feelings. I love the car and wouldn't trade it for any mustang, with the exception of a GT500. Of course, you pick the base model charger to display how much you dislike the car, no surprise there. Good work man, you really showed me up on that one.

http://www.dracutforum.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/good_job_blue_ribbon.png


Lol, uh, That would be an RT. Notice the faint "HEMI" badge on the side? or the RT rims?

Your right though, it does look like crap! Just like the base model, right? haha

The new SRT-8 is nothing special. Seriously, keeping up with a current GT for 40k+? You joking?

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


LOL.. :Duh oh.. looks like somebody pissed off the professor.. hehe.. Probably has trouble finding his own a$$ with both hands too.. :eek: I may have metriculated from a redneck university but at least I DRIVE.. LOL

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


no need to let your e-penis flap in the wind. everyone has a right to bash whatever they want. even if they drive a riced out civic.

ORIGINAL: nanaki

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


no need to let your e-penis flap in the wind. everyone has a right to bash whatever they want. even if they drive a riced out civic.



Oh really? If thats the case you have some unbanning to do. Several guys have been given the bootfor bashing stangs. After getting gang rapped butthe Stang owners, they have no choice but to look like a troll and eventually the ban stick comes out. Imagine if wehad a bunch of Charger owners in here..there would be epic fighting going on in this thread.

But it's okay to bash non Stangs?? [&:]

The Charger owner in here got flammed for perfering the Challenger over the GT500...
[X(]

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ORIGINAL: MrRogers

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


LOL.. :Duh oh.. looks like somebody pissed off the professor.. hehe.. Probably has trouble finding his own a$$ with both hands too.. :eek: I may have metriculated from a redneck university but at least I DRIVE.. LOL


LOL:D

I'm cool...

whats there to fight about?
the charger is a boat with decent HP, its an over weight pig, stock for stock a 10-15k cheaper car (ie mustang) can keep up and win with minimal mods, and they think the creme de la creme of the mustang is going to have a hard time kicking its ass....well i gots me one in my kill list!
no doubt it would be a beast if the removed 1 metric **** ton of weight from that fat bitch

*replace challenger where charger is

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^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


no need to let your e-penis flap in the wind. everyone has a right to bash whatever they want. even if they drive a riced out civic.



Oh really? If thats the case you have some unbanning to do. Several guys have been given the bootfor bashing stangs. After getting gang rapped butthe Stang owners, they have no choice but to look like a troll and eventually the ban stick comes out. Imagine if wehad a bunch of Charger owners in here..there would be epic fighting going on in this thread.

But it's okay to bash non Stangs?? [&:]

The Charger owner in here got flammed for perfering the Challenger over the GT500...
[X(]


last i checked it's a stang site ;)

besides, the guy you're commenting on didn't really bash it. he says it looks like crap, which i agree 100% with. looks like every other american sedan out there now a days.

ORIGINAL: Obliv
The new SRT-8 is nothing special. Seriously, keeping up with a current GT for 40k+? You joking?


Stock for stock the SRT8 beats a GT.

There is a 10-15K price difference though. So, take 1,200K of that, and then the GT with the right driver will be beating the crap out of it. You figure, intake, tune and gears and it's over.

just an intake and tune would be more than enough if you get the optioned 3.55's (is this a dealer option or factory option?)

It is, on the Manual's for 07's. 05-06 had then stock. Pretty much, that is a good match up. If you are buying the SRT for performance, not the wisest choice. If you want it for looks, or other things, such as the comfort and interior, personal preference. That's what it comes down to.

IF i bought and SRT 8 and put a D1 procharger on it....i would have to fab up my own install kit. then add a lil shot, that'd make me happy.

It would cost you a small fortune. But, I'm sure it would be worth it.

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besides, the guy you're commenting on didn't really bash it. he says it looks like crap, which i agree 100% with. looks like every other american sedan out there now a days.



That was my point as well and the only reason I stated it is because Fwankie took a shot at the ugly STI. Don't go picking on my giant wing, enormous hood scoop, coffee canned exhaust car! That's my winter beater you're picking on! :D

LMAO!!!!!!!!

ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

ORIGINAL: nanaki

besides, the guy you're commenting on didn't really bash it. he says it looks like crap, which i agree 100% with. looks like every other american sedan out there now a days.



That was my point as well and the only reason I stated it is because Fwankie took a shot at the ugly STI. Don't go picking on my giant wing, enormous hood scoop, coffee canned exhaust car! That's my winter beater you're picking on! :D




HAHAHAHA!!! i actually wanted a legacy as my beater, but the subbie dealership were full of pricks, so i went bimmer :D

NANaki,

i wish i would reach baller status so a bimmer can be my beater :D

You have to get FFVII for the PC to do that , then you can maybe get a bimmer.:D

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NANaki,

i wish i would reach baller status so a bimmer can be my beater :D



i'd rather have bicketybam's beater :)

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NANaki,

i wish i would reach baller status so a bimmer can be my beater :D



LOL.. no shiznit.. I would love to have an 03 or 04 335i for my beater.. :D

ORIGINAL: Grabber

You have to get FFVII for the PC to do that , then you can maybe get a bimmer.:D


Either that or just get FF Advent Children on DVD.. lol :D

Yes I suppose I just relegated myself to complete geekdom for even KNOWING that.. lol [&o]

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ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

NANaki,

i wish i would reach baller status so a bimmer can be my beater :D



LOL.. no shiznit.. I would love to have an 03 or 04 335i for my beater.. :D


335 didn't come out til 07. replaced the 330. ;)

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ORIGINAL: Subotai_95

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

NANaki,

i wish i would reach baller status so a bimmer can be my beater :D



LOL.. no shiznit.. I would love to have an 03 or 04 335i for my beater.. :D


335 didn't come out til 07. replaced the 330. ;)




DAhhhh.. see? I don'ts even knows the right numbers.. LOL Guess I has a long way to go before I's is a baller.. LOL [:@]

I might sell the STI in a year when the lease is up and get a new 1 series BMW to replace it. I just have to have a factory FI car. Or I can go GT500.:D

ORIGINAL: Grabber

There is a 10-15K price difference though. So, take 1,200K of that, and then the GT with the right driver will be beating the crap out of it. You figure, intake, tune and gears and it's over.

Seems debatable to me. With the CAI/Tune, gears, and a good driver mod the GT will probably match it but I don't see it "beating the crap" out of it at that point.

ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

I might sell the STI in a year when the lease is up and get a new 1 series BMW to replace it. I just have to have a factory FI car. Or I can go GT500.:D


dude! i was putting that in my reply about the 335 being out in an 07. i soooo want a 135 or 335. the 135s are overpriced right now though. at least at my local dealership. they want more for those than the 335 [&:]

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

^^^

What do you drive? I don't see a sig. Don't tell me your bashing cars from the bus stop.:eek:

I must say, your username fits perfectily;)


Some people dont determine someones worth based on what car they drive.

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IF i bought and SRT 8 and put a D1 procharger on it....i would have to fab up my own install kit. then add a lil shot, that'd make me happy.


at 13 MPG city and 17MPG highway off the lot.... good luck with that [&:]

they should put this thing next to the gallardo as far as fuel efficiency

sure when you buy a performance car MPG's is the least of someones worries... but 13MPG is just getting rediculous IMO

My STI gets about 17 mpg and that's driving mostly on the highway. I never thought a 4 banger could be so lousy on gas.

Nanaki - are the dealers marking up the 135's over sticker?

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ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

IF i bought and SRT 8 and put a D1 procharger on it....i would have to fab up my own install kit. then add a lil shot, that'd make me happy.


at 13 MPG city and 17MPG highway off the lot.... good luck with that [&:]

they should put this thing next to the gallardo as far as fuel efficiency

sure when you buy a performance car MPG's is the least of someones worries... but 13MPG is just getting rediculous IMO


and your right, but who cares, my 67 gets 6-9mpg[8D]

At least the last 2/3 page has mellowed out a bit.

There was only bickering because one person bashed the 'stupid' challenger, and he got mad so bashed back.

If everyone just puts their dicks back in their pants, normal discussion could insue.

SRT-8's are faster than GT's plain and simple. Sure, you could do the ricer math "I save this much and do X mod and be faster with X money left over' but you can do that with any car.

If I could afford a 45K dollar car right now, it'd probably be a GT500, but I can't. (that's not to say that I dont like the challenger, i think it looks awesome)

ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

My STI gets about 17 mpg and that's driving mostly on the highway. I never thought a 4 banger could be so lousy on gas.

Nanaki - are the dealers marking up the 135's over sticker?



unless they changed the price before they came out. the cheapest one at a local dealer that's basically stripped down is $45,525 for a 135i. the others for 46-48k. i'd rather just get a 335xi for that.

^^^thats way to overpriced, the 335 starts in the 38k i think!!!!! and lets not even compare the looking btw the 335 and 135i

I saw a BMW 335I at bimmer dealer for 36K. Not too overpriced.

BMW= BIG MONEY WASTER[8D]

FORD- Found on road dead;)

lol

BMW- Broke my Wallet

C racked
H eads
E very
V alve
R attles
O il
L eaks
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T ime

FORD = Fix or Repair Daily :D

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FORD = Fix or Repair Daily :D


not true..i call it getting to know your car ;)

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


Have you looked around lately? Almost al the GT500's around here are going for sticker now in these rough times...;)

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ORIGINAL: nanaki

besides, the guy you're commenting on didn't really bash it. he says it looks like crap, which i agree 100% with. looks like every other american sedan out there now a days.



That was my point as well and the only reason I stated it is because Fwankie took a shot at the ugly STI. Don't go picking on my giant wing, enormous hood scoop, coffee canned exhaust car! That's my winter beater you're picking on! :D

Big wings & hood scoops are cool!:D

True. Gotta have Folger's or Maxwell Exhausts, they rumble!!!

My local dealer has a roush 427 going for 51,800. Good luck finding a GT500 for sticker here. It depends on your market.

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BMW= BIG MONEY WASTER[8D]


bubba makes wheels

big monster wang

behemoth monkeysuit wearer

PONTIAC. Enough said..... J/K morbid......

BMW- Big Men Whine?

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PONTIAC. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ2Lpseielc)


Enough said




fixed :D

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ORIGINAL: Grabber

I saw a BMW 335I at bimmer dealer for 36K. Not too overpriced.


no, that's not what i'm saying is over priced. it's the smaller 135i, that's supposed to be cheaper that's over priced. they don't have a single 1 in the 30s. some of them are priced hire than the 335xi, which is the AWD TT v6. [&:]

Damn. Weren't the 1 series cars supposed to start in the high 20's???

yeah man. the 128i was supposed to start at 28k or something and the 135 like 35k. seems like they have like a 10k markup on them, at least around here.

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I actually prefer the SRT8, looks better and is much cheaper. (Ford dealerships have the GT500's going for 60k or more, or at least every one I have seen). The Chally is just looks so badass, and the fact it is NA makes it even better in my opinion.


N/A its a 6.1 vs 5.4. If this was reversed, with the Challenger basically outperforming the GT500 in every category, then giving the win to GT500, MOPAR guys would be pissed. This is a shame! Plus the GT500 is a Shelby! Dodge is...well a dodge!

Anyone notice the weight to power ratio? Seems reversed? the lighter and higher HP car has less weight to HP?? GT500 should be higher at close to 400 pounds lighter and 75 more HP? Am I confused here. Also the Challenger has 2 v heads, with Shelby having 4 v heads

wat who? did somebody say something? im still stuck on skillz sig vid.. bouncy bouncy bounce

i dont care which is better. i cant afford either. im just reading this thread to watch Skillz sig girl put her pants on...usually i perferto watch girlstake them off...for her ill make an exception.