There are, for some reason I fail to see, people that don't believe that a car with 280whp will beat a car with 500whp from a dig race. It's not ALL about hp #'s d00d. Just because you have a m4d tyt3 SRT8 Charger/300C with more power doesn't mean you can beat a suspension/tire/chassis car with less power.
No one told the driver of the (insert high hp car here) to disadvantage himself with a stock chassis/suspension/narrow tire. Don't use the "Oh, he's running a slick, that thing is a race car" excuse either. He brought a less powerful car and you're mad that your car got spanked, end of story!
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Projectquick
05-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Because some people can't comprehend HP/weight is more important than just HP #s, especially when the car's suspension is set up to get the power to the ground.
BicketyBam
05-13-2008, 03:43 PM
You'll never hear me bitching about it.
I agree - too many people focus on the hp number and completely ignore basic stuff like tires and UCA/LCA's. Too bad for them. If stuff like that didn't matter, you would just whip out dyno charts the guy with the highest number wins.
And don't even get me started on power under the curve........
bluebeastsrt
05-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Just take a look at stkjock sig. He get's it!:D
Trmachuno
05-13-2008, 04:05 PM
So you blew away and SRT-8? Or Did you get blown away by an engine swap honda or something? Just spit it out, I don't like riddles:D
USMCrebel
05-13-2008, 04:15 PM
the same reason people dont understand power under the curve
SubTexel
05-13-2008, 04:18 PM
ORIGINAL: SteelStang05
So you blew away and SRT-8? Or Did you get blown away by an engine swap honda or something? Just spit it out, I don't like riddles :D
Haha thats what I'm trying to figure out. :D
But yeah, HP/TQ is worthless if you can't put it down. Kind of preaching to the choir here aren't you? :)
cacimar
05-13-2008, 04:23 PM
ORIGINAL: USMCrebel
the same reason people dont understand power under the curve
you mean an integral right, the area under the curve :D
avlon06
05-13-2008, 04:30 PM
what is this power under the curve stuff yall are talking about? lost [:-]
USMCrebel
05-13-2008, 04:35 PM
how much power your making within your curve...if i had my dyno sheet i would post it up and show you, but i lost it.
TommyV8
05-13-2008, 05:59 PM
ORIGINAL: avlon06
what is this power under the curve stuff yall are talking about? lost [:-]
Some cars may make a lot of peak power, but it doesn't makemuch power until you get into fairly high RPM. Worked-over Honda Civics and DOHC cars with big cams tend to fit this profile (but not always). Other cars begin to make a decent amount of power sooner, at lower RPM. This is good for racing because you don't have to wait for the power to kick in, it's there as soon as you hit the gas, right off of idle. Large pushrod motors with small cams and forced induction cars usually fall into this category. On the dyno sheet, the first category of cars will make a very steep power line; the second category will have a much flatter curve.
i agree. if i could put all my power to the ground i would run 10's. if you cannot put it to the ground then you lose.
tspence45
05-13-2008, 06:28 PM
That reminds me. I need to get some LCA'swhen I get paid next weekend. lol. Even these damn 275's can't catch traction. I don't want to be embarassed running 2.4, or higher 60' times and not even breaking into the 13's whenever I make it up to Cordova.
Projectquick
05-13-2008, 06:47 PM
OP, it's kind of like why can't OHCpeople understand that pushrods are the shizzle.[8D]
JD1969
05-13-2008, 06:47 PM
If you running a regular street tire LCA's won't help you much, it's after you get a decent dr that the LCA's come into play.^^
SkillzDatKillz
05-13-2008, 06:53 PM
ORIGINAL: 35thAnni99GT
There are, for some reason I fail to see, people that don't believe that a car with 280whp will beat a car with 500whp from a dig race. It's not ALL about hp #'s d00d. Just because you have a m4d tyt3 SRT8 Charger/300C with more power doesn't mean you can beat a suspension/tire/chassis car with less power.
No one told the driver of the (insert high hp car here) to disadvantage himself with a stock chassis/suspension/narrow tire. Don't use the "Oh, he's running a slick, that thing is a race car" excuse either. He brought a less powerful car and you're mad that your car got spanked, end of story!
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I understand what your saying, but the 280whp car probably will lose against the 500whp. Thats a little bit too big of an exaggeration, nice charger bash too.
Projectquick
05-13-2008, 06:55 PM
Well JD,my 15" drag rims and my mickey thompson ET streetshaven't gotten here yet.[&:]
I got these (http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/strip.php?item=ETStreetRadial) bad boys in 275/60/15
tspence45
05-14-2008, 12:54 AM
ORIGINAL: JD1969
If you running a regular street tire LCA's won't help you much, it's after you get a decent dr that the LCA's come into play.^^
I plan on getting some Nittos in the coming months sometime too.
PhattyDre16
05-14-2008, 01:33 AM
Ok that's it. What the hell is LCA an acronym for?
tspence45
05-14-2008, 01:42 AM
ORIGINAL: PhattyDre16
Ok that's it. What the hell is LCA an acronym for?
Lower Control Arm ;)
67mustang302
05-14-2008, 05:07 AM
There's so much that goes into setting up a car to perform properly. The people who hang on dyno numbers don't understand that.
9 Sec 93 LX
05-14-2008, 07:09 AM
ORIGINAL: Projectquick
OP, it's kind of like why can't OHCpeople understand that pushrods are the shizzle.[8D]
Average HP (not peak HP) is what wins the cash.
My 5.0's Dyno sheets are below.No power adder!
Pushrods rule!
I couldn't agree more op! Plus don't forget to figure in the fact that driver mod can add a huge advantage also!
PhattyDre16
05-15-2008, 10:47 PM
ORIGINAL: tspence45
ORIGINAL: PhattyDre16
Ok that's it. What the hell is LCA an acronym for?
Lower Control Arm ;)
Ahh ok. How excactly does it help?
1BAD3V
05-16-2008, 01:42 AM
This is exactly why a guy around here with a bolt on pi-2v with a full drag suspension setup and DR's was running in the low 12's.
Obliv
05-16-2008, 03:19 AM
ORIGINAL: SkillzDatKillz
ORIGINAL: 35thAnni99GT
There are, for some reason I fail to see, people that don't believe that a car with 280whp will beat a car with 500whp from a dig race. It's not ALL about hp #'s d00d. Just because you have a m4d tyt3 SRT8 Charger/300C with more power doesn't mean you can beat a suspension/tire/chassis car with less power.
No one told the driver of the (insert high hp car here) to disadvantage himself with a stock chassis/suspension/narrow tire. Don't use the "Oh, he's running a slick, that thing is a race car" excuse either. He brought a less powerful car and you're mad that your car got spanked, end of story!
[sm=rant.gif]
I understand what your saying, but the 280whp car probably will lose against the 500whp. Thats a little bit too big of an exaggeration, nice charger bash too.
Yes, im sure a 280whp lotus couldnt keep up with your 500hp yaught..er...Charger :P
35thAnni99GT
05-16-2008, 11:22 AM
ORIGINAL: Obliv
ORIGINAL: SkillzDatKillz
ORIGINAL: 35thAnni99GT
There are, for some reason I fail to see, people that don't believe that a car with 280whp will beat a car with 500whp from a dig race. It's not ALL about hp #'s d00d. Just because you have a m4d tyt3 SRT8 Charger/300C with more power doesn't mean you can beat a suspension/tire/chassis car with less power.
No one told the driver of the (insert high hp car here) to disadvantage himself with a stock chassis/suspension/narrow tire. Don't use the "Oh, he's running a slick, that thing is a race car" excuse either. He brought a less powerful car and you're mad that your car got spanked, end of story!
[sm=rant.gif]
I understand what your saying, but the 280whp car probably will lose against the 500whp. Thats a little bit too big of an exaggeration, nice charger bash too.
Yes, im sure a 280whp lotus couldnt keep up with your 500hp yaught..er...Charger :P
No need for that now... We <3's all cars in the S/S sexshin, even catfis... er... Camaros/Firebirds.
I just used a 300C/Charger just because it was the most lopsided dig race I had as far as HP#'s were concerned. I was on UCAs/LCAs, full length subframes, 275 Mickeys, very basic weight reduction mods (1/4 tank of gas, gutted trunk). The Charger SRT8 was fully loaded (full tank, passenger, 18s or 20s on a street tire) and a Corsa exhaust. He talked all sorts of **** (which is fine, as long as you can back it up) and I wasn't even blown at that point. I made 284 on a Dynojet so we're talking maybe 260ish on an MD.
It was bad, I left him every single time. Since this was still towards the beginning of my Mustang ownership I really hadn't experienced a whole lot of races yet. Over time I noticed a trend that the serious guys would bring out their cars close to race weight on a good set of tires. Others would race stock chassis cars after they dumped basically all their money in the engine. It would always turn out one of two ways
A) Dig race - stock chassis'd car will always lose unless it's putting down something really serious to the wheels, at which point an bickering would ensue over the other car being a race car.:eek:
B) Roll race - A toss-up but in the event that the chassis car would get beat, he would bitch about how a roll race isn't even a "real" race.
My point is run what you brung, dig races are the only "real" races because it tests more than the top end power aspect of a car, and NOBODY told you that you couldn't touch the chassis while you were upgrading your car. Just because you wanted to spend 150 dollars on your engine rather than your stamped metal LCA's does not constitute an excuse for Friday night.