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Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 4:58:24 PM   
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Ok car is a 93 gt 351w...

1. First off it has a ford racing damper on it and for some reason there are three different spots marked on it. One is on the left side, then there are two on the left side. Now the two on the right side are the ones i have been trying to use to get TDC, one is on a zero point, the other on a 15degree mark. Now keep in mind these two marks on the right side are in two different degree sections. Like there are two different 0-10-20-30-40 degree places. Very hard to explain...But im sure you guys are familiar with these. I have tried setting it on both of these two and really has only started on the 15degree mark and runs very low in the RPM's no matter how i adjust the distributer.
2. Next up, the timing guide, the metal bracket that you aim the timing light at. Well im not so sure where exactly to line the damper lines up on it. There is a circular hole you could look threw, the top of the metal bracket, and a C shaped indention. Not sure which one to use...
3. Next question, I could have gotten some of my plug wires crossed while i was doing some work on the car. I cant really find a good diagram for the 351w does anybody have one showing where the wires are coming from the distributer to each plug.?

Thanks guys... 

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 5:19:59 PM   
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The very first thing you need to do is place the engine at TDC, your balancer has 3 different timing lines (this is for pionters mounted in different locations) Once you get the #1 piston at TDC look at your balance and the timing indicator, the timing line on the balancer you need to use will be the one that is on Zero and lined up with the pionted portion indicator (not the hole on the indicator) then restab the distributor.

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:09:03 PM   
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Thats exactly what i have been doing, the car will not start like this but it will when i set it to the 15 degree mark i was telling you about? (althought it runs very low in the RPM's) If i had some of the wires or even just two crossed up would it still run? Somebody also told me if there was a different crank or cam the previous owner could have changed the firing order... Scat 3.85 cast 9000 crank, CompCams 282HRcam is what it has in it.

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:12:38 PM   
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pointer is the mark that needs to line up on the balancer and  is it EFI or carbed???.......I'd check firing order..and if wires were crossed it'd run rough and drive like crap

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:18:20 PM   
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carb, so just to be 100% sure about all this the pointer your talking about is figure A on this diagram http://www.muscularmustangs.com/timing.php

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:20:26 PM   
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so what cam is in it??? flat tappet or roller set up??  I thought you had a 302 in your oil problem stang??

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:21:24 PM   
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This is the same stang but it has a 351w stroked to a 393... It has a roller setup.

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:25:49 PM   
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yes the pic of timing pointer is correct.. and my balancer has 3 sets of marking total also..you roll motor up to tdc and the rotor in dizzy should point to #1 cyl on cap and that's how you tell on balancer what markings to uses as the pointer will be on 0 on one of the sets of markings.....and the cam if a roller set up should use the H.O FIRING ORDER..13726548

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:32:27 PM   
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13726548, i understand that this is the order they fire in correct? But i dont understand how i know which one is suppose to fire first on the distributer cap, or where exactly the spin of the dial should start at, if you get what im saying. Im sorry but im new to carb'd vehicles and ones that use distributer :'(

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:37:40 PM   
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usually number 1 is labled on the cap if it's a grey ford replacement cap...however if it's an msd one.....number one could be where you want it to be as long as the sequence follows order after that and distributor is dropped in....in accordance with that......but usually I place number one straight back on the back of the cap if facing car and after number 1 is located in counter clockwise the firing order is placed on the cap

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:45:01 PM   
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http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v41/Trab123/?action=view&current=100_0143.jpg , this is what im dealing with here :D im not to sure what kind of cap it is really has no label that i can find on it...

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:47:45 PM   
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looks like an msd one  or just a factory style one but it looks as if number 1 is at the back placed right where it should be..so as long as the distributor is set in correctly all should be fine

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 9:53:46 PM   
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Dang i wish somebody lived nearby, i think im doing everything correctly and its still not working out... So the dial in the distrubuter spins counter clockwise correct?

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 10:12:27 PM   
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Dang i wish somebody lived nearby, i think im doing everything correctly and its still not working out... So the dial in the distrubuter spins counter clockwise correct?

yup correct^^^^FASTBLACK lives in GA and he's pretty on the ball with stuff..maybe he lives close to you?? he has a 351/357 in his mustang I believe

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 10:13:03 PM   
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did you fix the oil pressure issue yet???

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/10/2008 11:35:00 PM   
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O yeah oil pressure is doing great, now if i could just make this thing run normally :D

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/11/2008 6:20:00 AM   
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O yeah oil pressure is doing great, now if i could just make this thing run normally :D

what's it doing?? ie...that makes it not run normal??

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/11/2008 6:31:44 AM   
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not sure if this will help , u might already have fixed this but ... http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3264510/tm.htm  this is a great post on stabbing the dizzy... 

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/11/2008 8:21:16 AM   
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I was just saying the car is running right because of this timing problems im having, lol and i printed that stabbing dizi guide. Thats why im sure im doing everything correctly.

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RE: Need some timing questions answered... - 5/11/2008 10:14:59 AM   
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Aighty i been messing with it all morning, finally got it to were it will start right up but it idles very low, maybe 500rpm or a little lower. Anyways i have tried adjusting the timing a little while its running and it doesnt really change the idle so i think i may have a problem elsewhere... Now while running it makes a pretty loud ticking noise coming from the right side valve cover. Im thinking it has to do with when i had to take the rocker off and all of that. I tried to adjust it back to the best of my knowledge but dont think i got it quite right. But if one or more of those rockers are out of adjustment would it make the ticking noise im talking about? Also could it change idle speed?

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