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Since both the demacrattic and republican tickets suck this year how about we all through away our vote to the independent ticket....hell they might even win and can't possibly do a worse job tha Obama or McCain. Ron Paul FTMFW lol.
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Somebody give me a reason why bush was such a great president? I sure as hell would like to hear one.
He did stand tall when tragedies occured in this nation... perhaps you have forgotten a little thing called 9/11 or Katrina? He did not stand by with idle chitchat and accomplish nothing, he is a good president. And as for the economy the recession was minor and is blown way out of proportion. You can say what you want but he was a great president who dealt with ridiculous circumstances, oh and he finished up a dictator that should hae been killed during another administration. He has given great growth potential for small business' with the tax breaks in place and has even put money back into the citizens pockets.... Oh and the rich still paid way more taxes then the poor... and we still have Freedom... There is your reason(s)... I am sure you will have a smart retort about gas prices or how the rich are the only ones you got anything? or perhaps the housing market? Do you have anything specific I can correct you on or just broad ****... If you think about it things are good... if you don't like it you could always leave?
America FTW George W FTW John McCain FTW
OBAMA SUCKS!!!-ALOT Hilary sounds like an alien from mars attacks! and will divorce Bill if she does not win the election!
By the Way what canidate do you endorse still Obama, your charismatic un-American politician?
I dont think Bush did that bad of a job. A lot o f things have been blamed SOLELY on him that he had 0% control of.
Peoples biggest bash is the war,,,but if you believe that afghanistan has gotten rid of most of alqaida, and that iraq is currently on the rebound, things arent that bad
no war is perfect. so say what you want
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Wow. He "stood tall" after the attacks? WTF does THAT mean? Do you mean "didn't kill the guy responsible?" Yeah. Or maybe "Didn't wipe out the Taliban and now they are starting to re-emerge in Afghanistan?" Yup.
Katrina? Seriously? Uh, yes, the government DID stand by and do nothing. Didn't you notice? Didn't stand by with idle chit chat? Uh, you mean chit chat like "Good job, Brownie?" Get your head out of your ass.
Recession WAS minor? WTF recession are you talking about in the past tense?
The rich pay more taxes than the poor? Well no ****; they have more money to BE taxed. You know what? Some of us don't MIND taxes that much; heck, if you have soldiers being shot at around the world, you better be able to pay to equip them. But no no, much better to build up a mountain of debt for those people who will come after us to have to pay off. You are a true member of the credit card, I-need-a-60-inch-TV-and-will-go-into-debt-to-buy-it generation, aren't you?
And we still have freedom?! Dude, how in the HELL is THAT a qualification for being a good president? If that is it, then EVERY PRESIDENT EVER has been a good president... after all, we had freedom under them all!
But of course you end with "love it or leave it." Nevermind the fact that the entire point of the United States is freedom of speech. Oh... and this might be difficult for your TINY little mind to comprehend, but sometimes you can love something and not think that part of it is good.
Things blamed on George that weren't his fault? Absolutely. No war is perfect? No kidding.
But Afghanistan has gotten rid of Al Qaeda? What? Dude, OSAMA IS STILL ALIVE. Heck, our own government just released a report a few days ago that Al Qaeda is rebuilding at a rate higher than any time since September 11. Pakistan is a mess. South-east Asia is a mess. We are slowly losing control in Afghanistan, neatly illustrated by attackers getting TO WITHIN A FEW YARDS of Karzai just a few weeks ago, killing a number of people around him. The horn of Africa is in the worst shape it has been in in YEARS AND YEARS. Iraq on the rebound? Eh, it is a matter of perspective. If you had a person who was completely paralyzed and they blinked their eyes once... they are on the rebound. Still a **** situation that I don't want to be in. And I am totally baffled how a few of you cannot tell the difference between a domestic power struggle (Iraq; Al Sadr vs Hakim ... PLEASE do some reading!) and an international threat like Osama. Our fighting in Iraq does very little to diminish the power of the international thread of AQ.
George Bush is NOT my America. My America is not the stupid, spoiled, rich son of a multi-millionaire, a boy who dodged service to his country while other, poorer, less connected kids went off to war to die, who got DWIs while apparently not caring that he could kill other people with his reckless actions, and who offers stupid catch phrases (when he is able to even speak using proper English, which is rare...) meant to stifle conversation and thought with empty attempts at "patriotism." He is a joke and an embarassment.
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I don't dislike blacks, jewish people, and mexicans as a whole. I only dislike the majority that I have met or know of.
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I dont think Bush did that bad of a job. A lot o f things have been blamed SOLELY on him that he had 0% control of.
Peoples biggest bash is the war,,,but if you believe that afghanistan has gotten rid of most of alqaida, and that iraq is currently on the rebound, things arent that bad
no war is perfect. so say what you want
Hurricane Katrina? 10 Trillion national debt? White Elephant replacement for Medicaid prescriptions? Guantanamo Bay tortures violating our own constitution and the Geneva Convention? No Child Left Behind Act? Veto'ing stem cell research time and time again?
I'm a Republican, I would have voted for Bush, and I admit he's a terrible leader.
Somebody give me a reason why bush was such a great president? I sure as hell would like to hear one.
He did stand tall when tragedies occured in this nation... perhaps you have forgotten a little thing called 9/11 or Katrina? He did not stand by with idle chitchat and accomplish nothing,
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Wow. He "stood tall" after the attacks? WTF does THAT mean? Do you mean "didn't kill the guy responsible?" Yeah. Or maybe "Didn't wipe out the Taliban and now they are starting to re-emerge in Afghanistan?" Yup.
Katrina? Seriously? Uh, yes, the government DID stand by and do nothing. Didn't you notice? Didn't stand by with idle chit chat? Uh, you mean chit chat like "Good job, Brownie?" Get your head out of your ass.
Recession WAS minor? WTF recession are you talking about in the past tense?
The rich pay more taxes than the poor? Well no ****; they have more money to BE taxed. You know what? Some of us don't MIND taxes that much; heck, if you have soldiers being shot at around the world, you better be able to pay to equip them. But no no, much better to build up a mountain of debt for those people who will come after us to have to pay off. You are a true member of the credit card, I-need-a-60-inch-TV-and-will-go-into-debt-to-buy-it generation, aren't you?
And we still have freedom?! Dude, how in the HELL is THAT a qualification for being a good president? If that is it, then EVERY PRESIDENT EVER has been a good president... after all, we had freedom under them all!
But of course you end with "love it or leave it." Nevermind the fact that the entire point of the United States is freedom of speech. Oh... and this might be difficult for your TINY little mind to comprehend, but sometimes you can love something and not think that part of it is good.
Things blamed on George that weren't his fault? Absolutely. No war is perfect? No kidding.
But Afghanistan has gotten rid of Al Qaeda? What? Dude, OSAMA IS STILL ALIVE. Heck, our own government just released a report a few days ago that Al Qaeda is rebuilding at a rate higher than any time since September 11. Pakistan is a mess. South-east Asia is a mess. We are slowly losing control in Afghanistan, neatly illustrated by attackers getting TO WITHIN A FEW YARDS of Karzai just a few weeks ago, killing a number of people around him. The horn of Africa is in the worst shape it has been in in YEARS AND YEARS. Iraq on the rebound? Eh, it is a matter of perspective. If you had a person who was completely paralyzed and they blinked their eyes once... they are on the rebound. Still a **** situation that I don't want to be in. And I am totally baffled how a few of you cannot tell the difference between a domestic power struggle (Iraq; Al Sadr vs Hakim ... PLEASE do some reading!) and an international threat like Osama. Our fighting in Iraq does very little to diminish the power of the international thread of AQ.
George Bush is NOT my America. My America is not the stupid, spoiled, rich son of a multi-millionaire, a boy who dodged service to his country while other, poorer, less connected kids went off to war to die, who got DWIs while apparently not caring that he could kill other people with his reckless actions, and who offers stupid catch phrases (when he is able to even speak using proper English, which is rare...) meant to stifle conversation and thought with empty attempts at "patriotism." He is a joke and an embarassment.
Where do you get your information CNN? What would you be happy with a peaceful solution where everybody just talks like good boys and girls yet nothing changes... Sorry American stands up to terrorist... Sorry you don't like George W and are quick to blame everythiung on him...What would you have done besides be a UN pussy... Sorry you don't realize that the recession is a load of ****.... I think perhaps you may be a little bitter and hurt... As for my tiny little mind at least I have the courtesy to love the country I live in and not bad mouth it for everthing that happens and blame everything on a leader who has done what is not only in America's but the worlds best interest. As for what you named above no war is perfect... What would you do differently besides being a pussy of the world... Perhaps let the spineless countries we have bailed out of trouble decide.... Things aren't exactly perfect what are you gonna do Bit** and Cry about it... Things are better then you think go live in a third world see how much fun that is or perhaps try the Clinton years without Reagan Policies? Whether your tiny brain realizes it or not things are not bad... And everything you take for granted is a shame.
As for my debt I have no credit cards thanks for your concern though... Oh and can you name a war not funded by debt yet? Just curious, go march with your anti war flag, cast your vote for Obama and shut your face, in fact why not move to Canada I hear they have a great health care system...
Where do you get your information CNN? What would you be happy with a peaceful solution where everybody just talks like good boys and girls yet nothing changes... Sorry American stands up to terrorist... Sorry you don't like George W and are quick to blame everythiung on him...What would you have done besides be a UN pussy... Sorry you don't realize that the recession is a load of ****.... I think perhaps you may be a little bitter and hurt... As for my tiny little mind at least I have the courtesy to love the country I live in and not bad mouth it for everthing that happens and blame everything on a leader who has done what is not only in America's but the worlds best interest. As for what you named above no war is perfect... What would you do differently besides being a pussy of the world... Perhaps let the spineless countries we have bailed out of trouble decide.... Things aren't exactly perfect what are you gonna do Bit** and Cry about it... Things are better then you think go live in a third world see how much fun that is or perhaps try the Clinton years without Reagan Policies? Whether your tiny brain realizes it or not things are not bad... And everything you take for granted is a shame.
As for my debt I have no credit cards thanks for your concern though... Oh and can you name a war not funded by debt yet? Just curious, go march with your anti war flag, cast your vote for Obama and shut your face, in fact why not move to Canada I hear they have a great health care system...
"Where do you get your information CNN? "...? Actually if this wasnt in the beginning of your post i would ask you the same question.
"the recession is a load of ****"...? What? Would you care to elaborate? What are we in exactly, a "slow down?"
Recession = Depression - Economics. a period during which business, employment, and stock-market values decline severely or remain at a very low level of activity.
maybe that definition just blows things out of purportion..?
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First off, yes I AM bitter and pissed. I am bitter and pissed that seven years of rule by a ****ing moron has ****ed our country, has made us a joke in the world, has wasted trillions of our dollars on Arabs who hate us instead of on Americans who need it, and that a few of the stupidest people can't understand that. Other than that, I am fine. No money issues, no life issues... unless you count having thousands of people in my city murdered, which pissed me off a bit. You wouldn't know about that, of course... pretty sure nothing much happens in New Mexico except letting in waves of illegals, right?
Where do I get my info? Hm. Subscriptions to Newsweek and Time... NPR twice a day... cnn.com... and the New York Times, when I get a chance. And where do you get your news? Go ahead and answer that one, please. My guess: Fox and Rush.
Blame everything on George? Nope, I didn't do that. Learn to read. I blamed George for the foreign policy and domestic policy that he created. You are CLEARLY a believer in NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU DO, and that is what is ****ing our country... a bunch of pussies who insist that after they make decisions the consequences don't reflect on THEM.
AFAIK, we are not in a recession, which is two quarters of downward movement in the GDP. So when you make a stupid comment about A) a recession and B) in the PAST TENSE, it just makes you look even more dumb.
As for "loving this country," **** you do. You want to hand trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives out to whoever wants it, whether they are America Hating Saudis or America Hating whomevers, instead of using that stuff to MAKE AMERICA BETTER. THAT, my idiot friend, is HATING America in a FATAL way, which you CLEARLY do.
Oh, and in case this is FAR too subtle for your weak little brain; you can hate the president and not hate your country. AMAZING!!!!
And go **** yourself about my anti-war flag and moving to Canada. Maybe I'll go wave my "Intelligent War That Makes Us Safer and Is Managed by a Competent Civilian Leadership" flag, while you go wave your "YAY AMERICA! I LOVE GEORGE BUSH AND HE IS A GREAT PRESIDENT!! AND BARAK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!! YAY!!!!" six year old flag?
Seriously. You are a stupid person, and I dearly hope your genes aren't getting passed on and making more stupid people, as your type is dragging our country down.
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I don't dislike blacks, jewish people, and mexicans as a whole. I only dislike the majority that I have met or know of.
Some of us don't MIND taxes that much; heck, if you have soldiers being shot at around the world, you better be able to pay to equip them. But no no, much better to build up a mountain of debt for those people who will come after us to have to pay off.
Jesus H...this part alone makes me wonder what you expect to happen when McCain is defeated.
Taxes will go UP, but you are CRAZY!!!!! if you think any percentage of that increase will be helping our military.
If anything, there is going to be a HUGE whack in military spending. Clinton/Obama already promised to bring our troops home immediately.
Good bye Iraq semi-stability. Al Quaida, Iran, anyone...take your pick.
It's going to get REALLY ugly when we leave and drop everything.
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We can't leave and drop everything; a withdrawal will take, by most estimates, a solid year to do safely. Hopefully by then on of the local factions in Iraq will solidify power and things will be fine. If not? Eh... too bad for them. In 1776 Americans took control and took responsibility and stood up to a scary military power and won their peace and freedom. Maybe we should encourage the Iraqis to do the same?
You know what is funny? I wouldn't care if McCain won; I like him. In fact, I think all three possibles at the moment are pretty good.
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Good bye Iraq semi-stability. Al Quaida, Iran, anyone...take your pick.
It's going to get REALLY ugly when we leave and drop everything.
Who cares if Iraq is unstable? They're thousands of miles away, what are they gonna ride their goats across the Pacific and attack us? Sadam Hussein and both his sons are very dead. The Dictator is dead, theres no reason for us to be there. Al Qaeda is based is Afghanistan with roots in Saudi Arabia, there was no evidence that Iraq and Al Qaeda had a connection.
Honestly, if it gets ugly over there, so be it. I think it's pretty damned ugly over here. $4 gas, no health care, crappy economy, etc. C'mon man, let's worry about us before we worry about other countries.
First off, yes I AM bitter and pissed. I am bitter and pissed that seven years of rule by a ****ing moron has ****ed our country, has made us a joke in the world, has wasted trillions of our dollars on Arabs who hate us instead of on Americans who need it, and that a few of the stupidest people can't understand that. Other than that, I am fine. No money issues, no life issues... unless you count having thousands of people in my city murdered, which pissed me off a bit. You wouldn't know about that, of course... pretty sure nothing much happens in New Mexico except letting in waves of illegals, right?
Where do I get my info? Hm. Subscriptions to Newsweek and Time... NPR twice a day... cnn.com... and the New York Times, when I get a chance. And where do you get your news? Go ahead and answer that one, please. My guess: Fox and Rush.
Blame everything on George? Nope, I didn't do that. Learn to read. I blamed George for the foreign policy and domestic policy that he created. You are CLEARLY a believer in NOT TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU DO, and that is what is ****ing our country... a bunch of pussies who insist that after they make decisions the consequences don't reflect on THEM.
AFAIK, we are not in a recession, which is two quarters of downward movement in the GDP. So when you make a stupid comment about A) a recession and B) in the PAST TENSE, it just makes you look even more dumb.
As for "loving this country," **** you do. You want to hand trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives out to whoever wants it, whether they are America Hating Saudis or America Hating whomevers, instead of using that stuff to MAKE AMERICA BETTER. THAT, my idiot friend, is HATING America in a FATAL way, which you CLEARLY do.
Oh, and in case this is FAR too subtle for your weak little brain; you can hate the president and not hate your country. AMAZING!!!!
And go **** yourself about my anti-war flag and moving to Canada. Maybe I'll go wave my "Intelligent War That Makes Us Safer and Is Managed by a Competent Civilian Leadership" flag, while you go wave your "YAY AMERICA! I LOVE GEORGE BUSH AND HE IS A GREAT PRESIDENT!! AND BARAK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!!! YAY!!!!" six year old flag?
Seriously. You are a stupid person, and I dearly hope your genes aren't getting passed on and making more stupid people, as your type is dragging our country down.
I have agreed with everything you said, I think you and I are now friends Ash.
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Ashram:
Thanks for all your bitterness and garbage post and your personal attacks, much appreciated... try to stay calm I hear you will live longer
When you say we are wasting money on Arab countries that is a matter of personal opinion, yet you talk like you are coming from facts? Whether you care about the rest of the world, which you obviously couldn't give a darn about, is your right but I will disagree with you, and you know what it is based on my opiion. As for the murders in your city what would you like Bush to do come on down with a .45 and regulate.... Where do you live NY, La, Philly? I am sorry that Americans are killing each other but once again whos fault is that? Your also right New Mexico is pretty chill, minus the thousands of illegals that the boarder patrol is activily trying to keep out, I suppose you have a solution for keeping these people out? I am all ears on your politcal solution?
Being the right-wing nut I am I do watch fox, infact I rather enjoy watching and listening to Sean Hannity, Michael Savage (although he is definitely over the top), and Rush. Nothing but awesome news all the time. I am not liberal why would I watch liberal news? Just like you wouldn't watch fox...
Once again you disliking George Bush's policies is a matter of personal opinion and no way contains fact. I believe in what he is doing and as for taking responsibility for his policies it is something that he does on a day to day basis, by not retracting them, and following through. I have never heard him denounce what he is doing, that would be not taking responsibility.
The economy was over priced in almost every aspect, what is currently happening is the market is self correcting itself, basically everything was super inflated. For an example the housing market was ridiculous they were throwing houses at people who could not afford them (over priced houses I may add) at adjustable interest rates, and then what happened people could not pay their payment, interest rates rocketed and people lost homes, whos fault is that, dumb people buying homes they could not afford, which is why the housing market is currently correcting itself. The stock market itself was way over priced, the stock market is a risk it goes up and definitely needs to come down. This is not rocket science or personal opinion but, simple economics.
So what your saying is I am a murderer by supporting a administration that has sent our military to war. You are obviously taking about Iraq, I could say that you are a murderer for wanting to stand back and watch people tested in genocide and thrown into mass graves? Throughout history dictators have risen and done what? Try to take over other countries, how many times has America been the ones to stand up for humanity everywhere? I know you would rather leave all the other countries of the world alone to do their own thing, but to me that is more dangerous then fighting a war to prevent uprise. Do you not think that Iraq contains people worth protecting.
I think you hate the administration and the president, How could you hate America it is the greatest country in the world... but you do act like everything is so bad, that is why you have the option to leave, actually we may be better off without you?
And as for me ****ing myself that won't be happening? Your facts are a little crooked, Obama is half white, half black he does have a muslim name but he is a member of Black Liberation Theological church (should I make a sign featuring that in someway, you seem to be good at making up great signs), not muslim teachings you silly goose, didn't you watch my video or perhaps your news article left out anything bad about Obama? or were you the one who only got through 45 seconds of it and started crying?
Seriously you are the stupid person relying on personal attacks, and I will be passing on my genes very soon so my kids can argue against yours, well unless you are a homosexual, then I guess your adopted kids?
On second thought, and refering to another thread, perhaps we should stop electing superior leaders from superior schools ( because this is what you get)... wait that puts all are canididates out (I believe) even Barak?
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