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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 11:33:59 AM
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sethalot
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here in iowa its a $25 ticket and a moving violation, three moving violations in three months means loss of license, already got another seatbelt ticket i was leaving work and putting it on as i drove out the parking lot cop saw me pulled me over and gave me the ticket, then a reckless driving ticket prom night for spinning my tires at the dance, the spinning the tires i can understand but the seatbelt one is just bs, and i always have the shoulder belts tied up tight cause i had one fly out the window and smack the side of my car from being swept up by the wind
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 4:45:00 PM
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petespokerplanet
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I remember standing on the front bench between my parents when I was a kid. An old Dodge Aspen, and when it came time for the brake's, my dad would reach his arm across my chest to make sure I didn't fly out the windshield. Well, decades later, I'm stilll alive and kickin.
I definitely wouldn't even think about doing it that with my kids, even if it wasn't illegal! It feels so strange to sit in my 65 and reach for a "regular" shoulder belt, and then realize that its not there.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 8:07:18 PM
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pigcop
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In Michigan if you have a shoulder belt, you have to wear it. You can get a ticket even if you wear the shoulder belt under your arm. The law says you have to properly wear it. Not sure what the law says in your state, but in Michigan, if you take this to court, you will lose, have to pay the ticket, and court costs.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 8:14:14 PM
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I have lived in Montana, Washington state, and now Texas and all the seat belt laws have been pretty much the same...
1) If the car has a factory installed restraint system it must be used. Most judges see this as meaning the ENTIRE system must be used if it is available and functional. My '68 has the same type of system as mentioned above. The lap belt and shoulder harness use two different latches. I was told twice (while being stopped for "other offenses" related to speed...LOL!) that I needed to use the shoulder harness if it worked and was in good condition. I got warnings both times (at least for the seat belt thing). As for saying it is not in good condition and that is why it was not being used, the predictable response is "Then you need to get it fixed" as it is a legal requirement. Interstingly the law applies to air bags as well as seat belts. The only "legal" reason to disable an air bag is to facilitate the use of a child car seat.
2) If the the car does not have a factory installed restraint system...obviously you don't have to use one. HOWEVER...most seat belt laws read that if a restraint system is installed in a vehicle not originally equipped with one, the restraint system must be used. Once the restraint system is installed it is considered the same as if it came from the factory in terms of the law. This also means if you add a restraint system to a car not originally equipped with one it then becomes illeagal to remove or disable it, just as it is illeagal to remove or disable a factory installed system. I'm not sure how this could be enforced unless you got stopped by the same cop, once with the aftermarket system in and once after you had removed it.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 9:19:34 PM
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65rangoon
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Depends on what state you are in. In Illinois I think pre 1974 cars are exempt from the shoulder harness requirement. I have never had any trouble.
Just went and checked. In Illinois cars prior to 1965 is exempt from any seat belt law. All other specify "Safety Seat Belt." To me, that translates to shoulder harness not required.
Interestingly, in Illinois you do not have to wear your "Safety Seat Belt" if you are in reverse.
damn, to bad mines a '65 ... id be except haha
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/8/2008 9:51:42 PM
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sethalot
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In Michigan if you have a shoulder belt, you have to wear it. You can get a ticket even if you wear the shoulder belt under your arm. The law says you have to properly wear it. Not sure what the law says in your state, but in Michigan, if you take this to court, you will lose, have to pay the ticket, and court costs.
here in iowa the court cost is already added to the ticket regardless whether you go to the hearing or not which i think is bull to
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/9/2008 2:46:38 AM
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baxsom
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i know my 68 has both. when i was a teenager i had a 69 (god rest her soul) and it had both.
my buddy had a 67 with just a lapbelt and he was constantly getting stopped for not having his belt on (lap belt only)
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/9/2008 7:55:03 AM
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well not in a mustang, but we had just got my buddys 66 dodge coronet finished and on the road...taking the first official ride in it. it looked good and it was a perfect day for a drive, plus the ladies were out and about , lol. a cop pulled up on us and rouind our day by trying to ticket us for not wearing seatbelts. the car was a 66 and seat belts were an option on mopars then, so it did not have em. he was told to put seatbelts in the car, and the cop left. he never put em in , and ended up sellin it ne ways. but you HAD a belt on, lap or not its stil a seatbelt.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/9/2008 10:47:32 AM
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rst08tierney
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I dont know what state your in, but in california for classics, you only need to have what came from the factory for the vehicle. If the factory did not install belts, belts were not required. Go to court, the officer made a mistake becuase he did not know the law.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/9/2008 1:04:30 PM
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sethalot
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i would just like to say thank you to all you guys for your input on the subject the court date is set for the 15th so i will let you know what happened
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/12/2008 8:26:09 PM
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Adrenolin
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Good luck on that. Since the shoulder harness was installed but not used your more than likely going to have to pay. Wearing only the lap belt while a shoulder harness is installed is NOT properly using the seat belt system.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/12/2008 9:22:42 PM
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vineman
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shoulder belts were required on all cars built after 01/01/69
i also remember when seat belt use was not reqiured
i also remember when it was a secondary offence
to you younger mfers some day you to will look back and say i remember the good ole days
only problem is the loss of rights is like technology it goes faster every year !!!!!!!
Please don't tell me you are one of the elder members who thinks that the days with out having to wear a seat belt were the best because that is total bull****. If people think that their having to wear a seatbelt is such a huge restriction on their ability to enjoy driving then they are are idiots. It's not a loss of rights at all, it's common f-ing sense, those damn little "nuisances" save so many people in wrecks all the time. I'm sorry to be kinda harsh but I was in a serious wreck about a year ago where the car was rolled and the only reason I'm still here is because i had my "annoying" seatbelt on. I broke 4 vertebrae and was in a halo for 2 months and its because i had that thing on I wasn't hurt anymore or thrown out into the trees and killed.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/12/2008 10:59:54 PM
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sethalot
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ORIGINAL: tncruiser
shoulder belts were required on all cars built after 01/01/69
i also remember when seat belt use was not reqiured
i also remember when it was a secondary offence
to you younger mfers some day you to will look back and say i remember the good ole days
only problem is the loss of rights is like technology it goes faster every year !!!!!!!
Please don't tell me you are one of the elder members who thinks that the days with out having to wear a seat belt were the best because that is total bull****. If people think that their having to wear a seatbelt is such a huge restriction on their ability to enjoy driving then they are are idiots. It's not a loss of rights at all, it's common f-ing sense, those damn little "nuisances" save so many people in wrecks all the time. I'm sorry to be kinda harsh but I was in a serious wreck about a year ago where the car was rolled and the only reason I'm still here is because i had my "annoying" seatbelt on. I broke 4 vertebrae and was in a halo for 2 months and its because i had that thing on I wasn't hurt anymore or thrown out into the trees and killed.
this really isnt pertaining to the topic at hand, but in my personal opinion auto makers should be required to install safety harnesses in vehicle but their use shouldnt be required by law, now there are various good points for them being required and like wise being your choice but this is not the thread to discuss the matter, i simply posed the question as to whether my particular situation had occured to any other classic mustang owner and would appreciate it if that arguement wasnt taken up here, thank you 
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/12/2008 11:54:08 PM
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vineman
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ORIGINAL: sethalot
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ORIGINAL: vineman
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ORIGINAL: tncruiser
shoulder belts were required on all cars built after 01/01/69
i also remember when seat belt use was not reqiured
i also remember when it was a secondary offence
to you younger mfers some day you to will look back and say i remember the good ole days
only problem is the loss of rights is like technology it goes faster every year !!!!!!!
Please don't tell me you are one of the elder members who thinks that the days with out having to wear a seat belt were the best because that is total bull****. If people think that their having to wear a seatbelt is such a huge restriction on their ability to enjoy driving then they are are idiots. It's not a loss of rights at all, it's common f-ing sense, those damn little "nuisances" save so many people in wrecks all the time. I'm sorry to be kinda harsh but I was in a serious wreck about a year ago where the car was rolled and the only reason I'm still here is because i had my "annoying" seatbelt on. I broke 4 vertebrae and was in a halo for 2 months and its because i had that thing on I wasn't hurt anymore or thrown out into the trees and killed.
this really isnt pertaining to the topic at hand, but in my personal opinion auto makers should be required to install safety harnesses in vehicle but their use shouldnt be required by law, now there are various good points for them being required and like wise being your choice but this is not the thread to discuss the matter, i simply posed the question as to whether my particular situation had occured to any other classic mustang owner and would appreciate it if that arguement wasnt taken up here, thank you
Oh of course, I'm not mad at all with you thinking you should have gotten a ticket or not. I just don't like it when people think we're being pushed around by having to wear them, thats all. I'm hopin you dont have too pay much if anything at all on your ticket. I can see how he would give you one if you have the shoulder part equipped in the car. In missouri if it came stock with the shoulder harness then you have to have it on. My 72 has the 2 piece setup so I'll have to remember to use it when I start drivin it around.
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/13/2008 9:57:01 AM
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sethalot
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thanks i appreciate it 
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RE: seat belt ticket - 5/15/2008 9:18:15 AM
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Why does the thank you sign have a stripper on it? 
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