RE: Guy with a stock GT500 talking smack about the Z06

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

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ORIGINAL: cacimar

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ORIGINAL: airforceus

I think you have the win on a stock GT500.  If he spent $1100 on an evolution stage 2 and some gears I think he would have the edge. Stock for stock, Z06 wins.

i hope u are kidding right, check this out
 
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UsoN157-M00

Gt-500 stock will be anally destroyed by a C6 Z06 from a dig or roll

That surprised me. I thought weight becomes less of an issue from a roll.

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

I just sent him this email.  If this don't get him to put up or shut up, I don't know what will [:D]

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Hey Mike,

  Why did you have to get Gene all worked up about your GT500 vs. his Z06? :) I'm the guy to talk to!  Let me give you some insight.  You used to own a C5.  You know the new base C6 is now 430 bhp, right?  This isn't your old Corvette. Plus with the C6 Z06 you get:

All aluminum frame (weight savings)
Carbon fiber front fenders (weight savings)
Magnesium engine cradle (weight savings)
Magnesium roof (weight savings)
Carbon fiber wrapped Balsa wood floorboard (weight savings)
505 HP 427 Cubic Inch Motor
3" Exhaust with 4" tips and dual mode mufflers activated by RPM.
Wider front and rear fenders
Wider opening front fascia
14" 6 piston front and 13" 4 piston rear brakes. Cross drilled.
Front and rear brakes air cooled. Rear fender has integrated air scoops.
Front air splitter
Front fender air diffusers
Rear air diffuser
Front cold air scoop
18x9.5 front wheels
19x12 rear wheels
Engine moved back further to help achieve 50/50 balance.
Battery mounted in hatch
8qt dry sump oil system
Oil, transmission, differential, and power steering coolers
Taller rear spoiler


Now throw in the fact that our Z's have a tune and an intake, which add ~30 rwhp.  The car is 3,150 pounds.  Do the math.  The showroom stock record in the quarter is 10.981 seconds at 128.9 mph. A cripple could run a high 11 in this car.

I love your Ford GT500. In fact, I almost bought one.  But it's not going to hang with a Z06. Your car weighs 4,000 pounds.  It's shaped like a brick compared to the Z06.  The Z is going to leave you like you were tied to a stump.  Those are the facts. The best time I could find for a stock GT500 is 12.257 at 117 mph.

But forget about paper racing.  I will be more than happy to line them up out on Route 120.  My county cop buddy, Lieutenant Dave will make sure it's cool.  We can go from a full stop or a roll - makes no difference to me.  I'll tell you right now that you are going to be staring at the ass end of my yellow Z06 while I put a bus length on you.  It'll be fun.  Just let me know when.  I am also up for a trip to Englishtown where we can run "legally".  Just throwing it out there.  Take care - come by with the car someday.  You said I could drive it, remember?


Ed Condreras

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ORIGINAL: BrazoriaStang



Dang I didn't realize the Z06 had all those wieght saving mods.  3200 actually seems kind of heavy for having all that.  A fox body mustang is all steel body, frame etc as far as I know and it is lighter than the z06

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ORIGINAL: cacimar

are we serioouly going to argue this!!!! Who in the world would compare a fox body against a C6 Z06 weight wise ? With today safty standards seeing a car with 505 bhp weighing only 3150lbs is a very tought task to achieved fella.
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Can you tell me some safety standard differences between 1993 and now that adds weight?

A bigger factor ( no pun intended) is that cars are larger overall now

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ORIGINAL: JD1969

It's funny you mention the old muscle cars Ed, I have meet many people who think those old cars were super heavy. My 69 Super Bee was only about 3400 lbs the only light weight stuff was the hood and wheels.

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ORIGINAL: BicketyBam

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ORIGINAL: JD1969

It's funny you mention the old muscle cars Ed, I have meet many people who think those old cars were super heavy. My 69 Super Bee was only about 3400 lbs the only light weight stuff was the hood and wheels.

I ran into a guy with a restored 73 Camaro (friggin' beautiful).  I used to have a '76 and it reminded me of how big those cars were.  The hood went on forever.  But then the guy said the car weighed 3400 pounds.  I was amazed.  I guess it is all the safety crap that today's cars have that add a lot of the weight.  You can't just chalk it up to size, because this Camaro was pretty damn big.  I wish I had my camera with me.  The car was hot.

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ORIGINAL: cacimar

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GT500 that ran 9's with slicks, tune, pulley, full exhaust, and 75 shot. (so they claim)

Can someone please send me a link where evolution inc. made a 660+ rwhp on a gt-500 with a pulley, tune, and 75 shot that ran 9. Im just not buying that!!!! Again not the video where it runs 9 but rather the mods done to it.

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ORIGINAL: lieu910

Going back to that video of the modified GT500 vs. modified Z06. I am guessing the Z06 with headers, tune, CAI would be near the 500whp mark. Doing the math that would put the Z06 comperable to the GT500 at 640whp for power to weight.

Why I don't understand is why he would race the Z06 from a roll where he is at a disadvantage. The lower drag coefficient of the Z06 gives it a decisive advantage. The GT500 would have a better chance in the 1/4. I've always felt a roll race was somewhat pointless.      

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ORIGINAL: MrRogers

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ORIGINAL: lieu910

Going back to that video of the modified GT500 vs. modified Z06. I am guessing the Z06 with headers, tune, CAI would be near the 500whp mark. Doing the math that would put the Z06 comperable to the GT500 at 640whp for power to weight.

Why I don't understand is why he would race the Z06 from a roll where he is at a disadvantage. The lower drag coefficient of the Z06 gives it a decisive advantage. The GT500 would have a better chance in the 1/4. I've always felt a roll race was somewhat pointless.      

From a roll, the GT500 weight disadvantage becomes less of an issue. From a dig, if the Z06 is launched properly, things will get ugly quick. 640hp in a heavy car with stock tires = death.

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ORIGINAL: Sarge_13

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ORIGINAL: MrRogers

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ORIGINAL: lieu910

Going back to that video of the modified GT500 vs. modified Z06. I am guessing the Z06 with headers, tune, CAI would be near the 500whp mark. Doing the math that would put the Z06 comperable to the GT500 at 640whp for power to weight.

Why I don't understand is why he would race the Z06 from a roll where he is at a disadvantage. The lower drag coefficient of the Z06 gives it a decisive advantage. The GT500 would have a better chance in the 1/4. I've always felt a roll race was somewhat pointless.      

From a roll, the GT500 weight disadvantage becomes less of an issue. From a dig, if the Z06 is launched properly, things will get ugly quick. 640hp in a heavy car with stock tires = death.

He never said anything about being on stock tires?

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ORIGINAL: 08 Bullitt 2310

On the subject of weight and size,Has anyone seen where they park a new Challenger in front of an old Challenger.It makes the new car look HUGE!