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RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast...

Grabber -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 11:17:36 AM)
Same difference. I'm a realist.[:D]

Sancho805 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 11:25:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Grabber Same difference. I'm a realist.[:D] yes, i know. i'm a jokester. [8D]

Black Mamba GTT -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 1:35:39 PM)
And I'm COOKIE MONSTER!! [&:] NOM NOM NOM NOM!!! Sorry just a really long day at work.[&o]

ptkthekid -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 3:52:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vegasfilter quote: ORIGINAL: ptkthekid quote: ORIGINAL: Boulevardvette quote: ORIGINAL: ptkthekid It's the manual trans. It bakes a HUGE difference in our cars. I have a manual sixxer. I think it's plenty fast. I got a chance to drive a stock auto GT. I was not super impressed. I truly feel that with a fair amount of go fast parts and a tune, I might be able to take a stock auto GT. On the other hand, Those manual GT's are pretty quick. If they have some go fast parts and a tune, They are probably beasts. Although, you don't see a lot of GT's modding thier rides. HAHA maybe with every single bolt on in the catalog, and if the GT has just a tune you better get some FI. Whats up with all the hate? You could give your opinion without bashin on me! Just for your information, my neighbors friend has a stock auto GT. I have driven it several times. I'm not super impressed with it. He has driven my manual sixxer several times. He has commented several times about how suprisingly fast it is. Can he beat me, OF COURSE HE CAN! But I still say if I had some go fast parts and a tune I might be able to take him. It's my opinion. One based on driving both cars many times. Ohhhhh, but here comes big bad GT man. Lowering himselt to come down here and bash on the lowly sixxers. Ohhhh, big man. It's jerks like you that give GT owners a bad name. Don't you have a forum of your own. Take your big "93 tune" and go elsewhere and leave us sixxers to enjoy our wonderful cars in peace. Indeed ballsy....actually, yes he does have a forum..your on it. I am definately one to admire someone else's car....few weeks ago, a sixer pulled next to me at a stop light...AWESOME car...sounded a lil ricey, but awesome none the less. Its all in perception i believe. I think v6'ers are just as cocky as the "big bad v8 guys". Oh crap, I know I'm gonna get so much grief for this.... What is it with you GT guys comming over to the V6 forum and flaming out on us? I don't go over to the V8 forum and talk s**t to you. I just gave a simple opinion based on my experience. I wasn't trying to put down GT's. I was just doing a little "bench racing" and boulevardvette totally bashed me. Since then all I am getting is total grief from the V8 crowd. I didn't mean any harm. I even apologized. I didn't see boulevardvette apologize for starting this whole thing by TOTALLY taking a shot at me. I mean really, you don't think he was being a little harsh. Ok, I'm sorry, I'm done, I really didn't mean to start anything.

Wishbone -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 3:59:01 PM)
I think some of these GT wanna be corvette fan boys have a serious issue with "little man" syndrome.

Black Mamba GTT -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/14/2008 4:43:24 PM)
[:(]........jp I will always be apart of the 4.0 forums and I don't hate.[&:]

themac5150 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 5:11:36 AM)
I think there is a BIG difference in the price and not that big of a difference in performance. I think that is the heart of the issue here, and the only point that I, or any other V6 owner would say. I paid $18k for my car, brand new. The GT/CS I test drove, was $31k. That's $13k difference. I can assure you that car did NOT perform $13k better than mine. Sure, it had nice bumpers on it, and leather seats, and shiney chrome wheels. The Skipper 500, the TCS/ABS, the cute heated seats do not command the difference either. For me it was the VALUE of what I did get. I may have been shorted 90hp, but I'm smiling every time I make a payment. And I've put $2k into mods. And I'm still way under that. Put on a supercharger, and make as much or more hp than a stock GT, and I'm still under the cost to drive a bone stock car. I had to do a lot of soul searching last weekend and throughout the week. I can afford the GT, but is it WORTH it. I had to come to the realization, that it was not. Car payment would double, insurance was an extra $25 a month, and the milage is less with a GT. With gas prices rising everyday, that adds up too. I've been averaging 27 mpg lately just driving to work and errands. That's with my mods. As much as I would love to have that GT/CS, it's not the "smart" thing to do.

Baddog -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 5:21:37 AM)
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Grabber -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 5:27:29 AM)
So, let me get this straight...You are comparing the base model V6(which I find it hard to believe you got yours for 18K) with the pony package from the looks of it, to a special edition GT? You do know the base on GT's with Leather and the Shaker 500 is about 26,500 right? So, figure this. You have a very high 14 sec car as it sits right. Not to mention a 2V, not a 3V. Then, you have the smaller and weaker rear end, a different tune then the GT, different heads, block, etc. Soooooo, with about 4K in mods, you will be a mid-high 13 sec car right? Now, you are about as fast as a Stock GT, am I right? Now, here is where it gets interesting, at that point, just an intake will put the GT ahead of you with an equal/good driver. Now it gets even more interesting, once you get to about 400 whp, your call will start to give. If I remember correctly, Fazm has a Turbo V6, and has replaced the tranny how many times? Along with rebuilding/replacing the rear end a few times as well? Hmm, that does not seem worth it to me... Another example....No offense either. The female GO owner, that has a TT, how much do you think that ran her? About 7K or more? At LEAST!!! So, when it comes down to it, with all the appearance mods and everything, a bolt on GT would keep up if not beat her. I am sure Grabber Girl is running on a very conservative tune, but, after that 400-425 whp mark, you will see why it is better to get the GT. Point being, it is all personal preference. People think the GT is so much more expensive, the insurance is crazy expensive, and the gas mileage as well. I've said it before, I'll say it again. My GT = 550HP, approx. and I only use the streets to drive, yet I average over 17 MPG, and I drive an auto with 20X10.5 inch rims. Hmmmm. How is that so much worse? Stock GT owners seem to average 20-21 on the streets, and about 25-26 on the hgihway. That is a lame excuse in my opinion. [;)]

themac5150 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 5:29:12 AM)
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Buckman -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 8:30:46 AM)
Gotta love these kind of threads.

Sancho805 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 8:56:28 AM)
lol, [;)]

Mr. L -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 9:45:00 AM)
This is just my opinion, but like you said, it really all is preference. So I hope you don't get offended Grabber. But I like your math. Let's get this straight - a brand new base GT is about 26, 500 and a brand new base V6 is about 19,500, correct? That equals to a 7k gap in between. With the obvious differences in engine, rear end, and handling. -With that 7k, a base V6 owner can supercharge for approx. 4K, upgrade the rear for 900, convert to a dual system for 400, and a couple of sway bars for that fabulous handling package for less than 200. That totals up to 5500, leaving 1500 to play with. Turning it into a 13 sec. car that can walk a stock GT. -Now as you mention, a stock GT can average to about 20-21 street. And as a V6 owner myself, I average about 23-24 mpg street. That's only a 3 mpg difference - it doesn't sound much, but since our cars hold 16 gallons, I would get 48 more miles out of a full tank than a GT owner. With how gas prices are today - it actually does add up. -I have a co-worker, or more like a friend, that drives an '06 GT, and he only pays $19 more per month than I do for insurance. Again that may not sound like much per month but it does when I'll be saving approx. $230 a year - and I also didn't mention that I'm only 24 and he's 27. Don't misinterpret me, because I'm not bashing on GT's whatsover because there are some things money can't buy like the true sound of V8 and the feel of it's rumble. But I'm in the same ship as themac5150, in terms of 'our' preference. I could have gone with the GT, but my choice was to go with the V6 for my personal prefernce. And I'd like throw this in just for sh*ts and giggles - with that extra $1500, and maybe a $700+ more for some new heads+cams, that V6 can turn into this: http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/pdf/40SOHCdynotest1.pdf (Check out the first dyno sheet)

CroDalmatinac -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 9:54:00 AM)
Why do GT owners feel the need to chime in on every single one of these topics? Seriously...who cares. Oh and to add salt into the wound, who the hell buys an auto GT and than mocks V6 drivers? The irony is amazing.

Black Mamba GTT -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:00:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. L This is just my opinion, but like you said, it really all is preference. So I hope you don't get offended Grabber. But I like your math. Let's get this straight - a brand new base GT is about 26, 500 and a brand new base V6 is about 19,500, correct? That equals to a 7k gap in between. With the obvious differences in engine, rear end, and handling. -With that 7k, a base V6 owner can supercharge for approx. 4K, upgrade the rear for 900, convert to a dual system for 400, and a couple of sway bars for that fabulous handling package for less than 200. That totals up to 5500, leaving 1500 to play with. Turning it into a 13 sec. car that can walk a stock GT. -Now as you mention, a stock GT can average to about 20-21 street. And as a V6 owner myself, I average about 23-24 mpg street. That's only a 3 mpg difference - it doesn't sound much, but since our cars hold 16 gallons, I would get 48 more miles out of a full tank than a GT owner. With how gas prices are today - it actually does add up. -I have a co-worker, or more like a friend, that drives an '06 GT, and he only pays $19 more per month than I do for insurance. Again that may not sound like much per month but it does when I'll be saving approx. $230 a year - and I also didn't mention that I'm only 24 and he's 27. Don't misinterpret me, because I'm not bashing on GT's whatsover because there are some things money can't buy like the true sound of V8 and the feel of it's rumble. But I'm in the same ship as themac5150, in terms of 'our' preference. I could have gone with the GT, but my choice was to go with the V6 for my personal prefernce. And I'd like throw this in just for sh*ts and giggles - with that extra $1500, and maybe a $700+ more for some new heads+cams, that V6 can turn into this: http://www.supersixmotorsports.com/pdf/40SOHCdynotest1.pdf (Check out the first dyno sheet) Ok well for one, you cannot normally get any supercharger for the 4.0 under 5000 unless you are buying a used one or an X. And even then you have tuning and maintenence and installation. It will also VOID your warrenty which in my expierence supercharging my 6 is not a good thing too do at all!!!! When I did all the stuff you mentioned (cause yeah i actually did it and Im not just saying Im going to) it cost me above and beyond 7k with all the other stuff that had to be done to it. 2nd!! Believe it or not you will get worse gas milage with a supercharged 6 than an 8. I can't tell you exactly what gas milage i got but it wasn't that great at all!! O and with that extra 1500 (that is really non existant) you would have to build up the transmission, beef up the rear end, get a aluminum DS, and the list goes on and on. Not to mention the hours of tuning they will have to do on top of that, if you wanted to go the supersixmotorsports way!!! Don't get me wrong, totally tricking out my 6 was fun but it came at a price that in the end I couldn't justify....maybe you can but I couldn't. But again you can't compare a base model GT to a blown 6. And even then you put a CAI/Tune and maybe an underdrive pulley and a GT will beat a 6 that is using 10psi on a Vortech!!!!

Sancho805 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:11:42 AM)
this is exactly why i plan to stay N/A with my sixer. no need to push it beyond its natural limits. once i get my recently aquired GT sways installed and save up for that alum DS, i should be pretty solid and pleased. headers are also a possibility. [;)]

Mr. L -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:15:00 AM)
I understand where you're coming from BlackMamba, but I'm only comparing apples to apples (base V6 to base GT), and I was also inputing the potential a V6 can have with the price difference. Yes, you're pretty known around here before you traded in for your C6, which is b-e-a-u-t-i-f-u-l btw. But I never mentioned anything about suping a 6er up from the get go to void the warranty. And yes you can purchase an X-Charger for under 4k and install it yourself with a custom tune. And yes you can swap out the 7.5 rear for an 8.8 rear yourself. And yes, you can install an aluminum DS yourself - which all in turn does save money (if you have the tools, patience and time[;)]) And as far as gas mileage, it really depends on the drivers habits, so I can understand that you didn't have great gas mileage because why wouldn't you have a heavy foot after suping up like you did? I also see how you went over 7k, because exterior mods do add up also.

themac5150 -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:20:54 AM)
I paid $18,035 June 14 last year, for my 2007. Yes that was after my little $1500 rebate. Same rebates are happening in my area right now, but after the negative equity for a trade, the GT/SC would still be $31k+. Loaded GTs were $29-32k when I was shopping. If a cali special is "special", so is a PP, they're both appearance packages, but a PP mine is not. My car was a base that I added the PP grill and emblems, and other upgrades, 'cause I liked them. This is the same location that adds $10k markup to the Bullitt, $20k to the GT500. It's my money to spend. They have a Grabber Orange V6 Auto PP on the lot for $26,115 MSRP!!

Black Mamba GTT -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:31:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: themac5150 I paid $18,035 June 14 last year, for my 2007. Yes that was after my little $1500 rebate. Same rebates are happening in my area right now, but after the negative equity for a trade, the GT/SC would still be $31k+. Loaded GTs were $29-32k when I was shopping. If a cali special is "special", so is a PP, they're both appearance packages, but a PP mine is not. My car was a base that I added the PP grill and emblems, and other upgrades, 'cause I liked them. This is the same location that adds $10k markup to the Bullitt, $20k to the GT500. It's my money to spend. They have a Grabber Orange V6 Auto PP on the lot for $26,115 MSRP!! Say WHAT!!!!

Grabber -> RE: I have to admit, the GT is smoking fast... (5/15/2008 10:34:00 AM)
Hmm, Auto GT, I like that. The kind that beats the Supercharged manuals. You know what they say, a person cannot shift faster then an auto, especially one that is tuned. Smart-a$$ I did some looking, cheapest X-charged system is 3900 bucks, not including tax and shipping. Sway bars vary, for 200-300 bucks. Rear end varies from 900-1100. Now, we all know using the canned tune is garbage, so, you will need to spend an average of 350-500 on the tune. Now, most people cannot just install a supercharger even with the right tools. So, that is not "fair" if that is the word. So, you are looking closer to 10K, to run low 13's high 12's. A Tuned GT with just gears (referring to Gene K here) will run 12's. GT Owners chime in to give some info from a different point of view. So, if you say Why do GT owners have to chime in, then why the hell is there always an owner of a sixxer chiming in in the 4.6 discussion threads? HMMMMMMMMMMMM??????? If you have a problem with an auto, let's get a manual GT with the exact same mods and tune, that can drive, with the same tires, and allow him to powershift. He will be at the least a tenth or two behind. Remember, no need for a clutch, just driving.

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