TC on or not...dog or not. For the price difference, one would expect a whole lot more from the get-go. I'm not saying the S197 GTs are slow...they're not. But it's just that the way the S197 V6 performs, it's not as big of a difference like in previous models. Like the New Edge V6 to the New Edge GT...big difference in my experience of driving them.
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About 6 months ago, I went to the Ford dealer "thinking" of trading in my V6 for a new 2008 GT. The dealer wanted to give me $13K for my car and sell the 2008 Candy Apple Red GT Manual for $27K. I thought it through, we wrote down numbers and did some math. I really wanted to get an idea. So...finally, we went to take it out for a test drive. I took it out on a back road which was perfect. He said at the stop sign, floor it. So I took the offer and did so. Unfortunately, the only thing that really impressed me was the V8 growl as I took off and the impressive shifting through gears compared to my T-5 manual tranny in the V6. I was REALLY disappointed. I expected to be blown away. Expecting to be immediately convinced into buying it. The dealer said "Fast huh?". I said "Yeah." That's all I had to say. Of course, we got back and I said I think I'll keep my stang until Ford releases a more impressive GT that really separates itself from the performance of the V6. I think they put the two cars to close in comparison this time. So hoping for 2010, they will blow me away
Sounds like you left the Traction Control 'On' IMO. it's on by default when you start the car. It kills the acceleration on the GT's. Eitherway, A brand new S197 dogs (V6 or V8). You need to drive one that's been broken in.
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TC on or not...dog or not. For the price difference, one would expect a whole lot more from the get-go. I'm not saying the S197 GTs are slow...they're not. But it's just that the way the S197 V6 performs, it's not as big of a difference like in previous models. Like the New Edge V6 to the New Edge GT...big difference in my experience of driving them.
i think thats credit to the 4.0 and not a knock on the GT. the GT is a worthy V8 performer for the price compared to other V8's and some import sixers.
It's the manual trans. It bakes a HUGE difference in our cars. I have a manual sixxer. I think it's plenty fast. I got a chance to drive a stock auto GT. I was not super impressed. I truly feel that with a fair amount of go fast parts and a tune, I might be able to take a stock auto GT. On the other hand, Those manual GT's are pretty quick. If they have some go fast parts and a tune, They are probably beasts. Although, you don't see a lot of GT's modding thier rides.
HAHA maybe with every single bolt on in the catalog, and if the GT has just a tune you better get some FI.
Hu. My 06 V-6 never pushed me back into my seat like my 05 GT manual. You've got to drop at around 2500 and then keep shifting at around red-line to get blown away. Under normal driving circumstances there isn't that much of a difference. The GT is really for people who want a turnkey 13 sec solution car. For guys who like to work on their V-6 Mustang to make it faster over a period of time with mods, it's a great car. But not everyone has the tools, garage, or time on the weekend to be their own mechanic. I also take lots of road trips for vacation. I like the peace of mind that comes from having a mostly stock GT. That means that if it breaks while on vacation I can just drop it off at a Ford dealer for repair. If I had a highly modified V-6 that might be more problematic.
Hu. My 06 V-6 never pushed me back into my seat like my 05 GT manual. You've got to drop at around 2500 and then keep shifting at around red-line to get blown away. Under normal driving circumstances there isn't that much of a difference. The GT is really for people who want a turnkey 13 sec solution car. For guys who like to work on their V-6 Mustang to make it faster over a period of time with mods, it's a great car. But not everyone has the tools, garage, or time on the weekend to be their own mechanic. I also take lots of road trips for vacation. I like the peace of mind that comes from having a mostly stock GT. That means that if it breaks while on vacation I can just drop it off at a Ford dealer for repair. If I had a highly modified V-6 that might be more problematic.
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The V6 and GT really are TOO close when it comes to power, why do you think they gave the V6 a POS Muffler that limits airflow/HP/and MPG? B/C if they simply used the same muffler as the GT, then the V6 would be rated around 220-225HP, with 1-2MPG better, and not to mention sound a heck of a lot better. So why would you want to spend the extra 8 grand for a GT? Makes you think...
Don't get me wrong, I love my V6 and have been modding the hell out of it, but I think we all are kidding ourselves if we think the GT isn't THAT much faster than the 6 ers. We may be able to say that our models have a lot in common with appearance and interior quality, but stock for stock, transmission for transmission it blows us off the road. The POS muffler was put on the car b/c it was cheap and that along with other cheap components has provided us with an inexpensive car. sure you can add an exhaust, CAI, and tune and have the engine putting out 230-240 (flywheel), but you could do the same with the GT and get greater gains.
I would say that most of us (not all) bought the V6 because we couldn't afford the GT price tag, insurance, and gas prices. There are some though who like the more classic styling (PP grill) and don't care much about going fast.
With that being said, I am going to go take my baby for spin b/c I miss hearing her purr.
Each car has its own good qualities, the V-6 is a great all around cruzer with the top down, but if you want road kills , do it right and get the GT(500) and watch them back off real quick! Nothing like having the best of both worlds
Well I just test drove a 08 GT/CS manual today. The power difference was not that noticeable to me in the day to day type driving. Yes it has more, and it seems to all reside way up in the RPMs. Driving it like I do my V6 around town was pretty much the same. It wasn't the neck snapping kind of torque you'd expect, I intentionally stabbed it just to see, it's not instant. Don't get me wrong, the car is a whole lot stronger pulling in the upper range. It was a dang sexy car too. White with the black GT/CS stripe, charcoal interior, leather with light grey center inserts. 18" chrome bullitts. I may drift to the dark side... I did notice the clutch engages a lot sooner than my V6. It was a short learning curve trying to feel where it starts to grab. One feature of these new mustangs I dislike is the hydraulic clutch. It lacks the sensitivity or "feel" of the cable variety. With the radio loud, even on my V6, I never know when it's just starting to engage, it's not feathering friendly, at least to me. It sure sounded sweet though, better than mine with duals. Anyway that's what is was like for me today. With an intake and a tune, I bet it would really wake it up, like it does for our V6s.
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GT has the same throttle lag as the V-6. A tune takes care of that. A V-6 with an X-Charger is what you want if you want neck snapping torque at 2500 RPMs. But I like my HP between 3k and 6k. It makes it nice for my wife to drive and keeps the car mellow for around town driving. With 3:55 gears (for manual GT) first gear shoots you past 3k very quickly. So with a manual it's pretty easy to jump into the power range of a GT.
We'll see how bad the dealer wants to put me in it tomorrow. LOL!
Must resist...
Must stay in the light...
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who here would keep their GT's stock? i sure as hell wouldn't. i most likely would order a CAI/Tune the very next day after buying GT. the stocker GT is tuned even more coservatively because of the extra chunk of horsies which is why so many of us, including myself, didnt feel a "huge" difference in performance between the two bone stock. there is more effort to control the GT power and make it driveable for everyone than the sixer. the sixer's primarily tuned for economy (MPG). i would LOVE to test out a custom tuned GT. i probably would get a ticket on that same test drive... lol
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the stocker GT is tuned even more coservatively because of the extra chunk of horsies which is why so many of us, including myself, didnt feel a "huge" difference in performance between the two bone stock. there is more effort to control the GT power and make it driveable for everyone than the sixer. the sixer's primarily tuned for economy (MPG). i would LOVE to test out a custom tuned GT. i probably would get a ticket on that same test drive... lol 