Well i visited the mall today, I was open carrying. I was asked to leave by the rent-a-cop. He noticed my pistol and asked if i had a license, so i complied showed my license. He then asked me where i work, I informed him and was asked to leave lol. I told him it was cool I would take my business elsewhere .[&:]

You should have shot him.

no:eek:

why were you 'open carrying'?[&:]

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

no:eek:

gay

you should have shot yourself.....












j/k, Why didnt you just go put the gun in your vehicle?

Because I can, and it is a lot more comfortable since its pretty warm here in south Ga

The rent a cop must be retarded, So your openly carrying your gun, and goes up to you and asks for a license. And after you prove you are carrying it legit, he asks you to leave[&:]

what if you didnt have a license and was planning on a killing spree, o well the mall cop might have just saved the day though:eek:

You should have said no, its your right as a citizent to defend yourself and you wernt doing anything ilegal.

ORIGINAL: The Stig

You should have said no, its your right as a citizent to defend yourself and you wernt doing anything ilegal.


The mall is private property; they can ask you to leave for any reason they want.

ORIGINAL: The Stig

You should have said no, its your right as a citizen to defend yourself and you wernt doing anything illegal.





according to the case law and code if you refuse to leave then and only then can you be charged with criminal trespass.

and to the post about why i didnt put it in the car. i had to walk all the way from one end of the mall to the other and wasnt about to walk all the way back . plus the girl i was with was clothes shopping, not really my cup of tea.









and to the next question i know is gonna be asked, no its not my gf, and no i didnt stick it in the poopar.

It is private property so he has the right to ask you to leave, but If he was not apolice officerI'm not sure you had a legal obligation to answer questions or produce ID. I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong.

yeah you dont really have to produce the id to an officer iirc, pretty much the same situation as the police cant stop you if you havent broken any traffic laws just to check for a DL

the guard must be bucking for employee of the month...the guy is unarmed and makes confronts a possible psycho killer with a gun...what would he have done if you simply said no when he asked for a license?when i was 17 iused to be a security guard at the world trade center...they told us that if anything happened to dial 911...i imagine the same rules still go for security guards...lets all give that brave/stupid guard a hand

malls in ga suck, I live in augusta so I can speak this very truthfully.

I oc'ed in statesboro last week no problems, walmart mgrs asked if i had a license i told them i did. they said wally world doesnt like oc guns but it was ok, basically they didnt want to lose a sale

pfft 12 GA FTW

The mall in Athens Ga has a police station and an Army recruiting center so it is illegal to carry even if you have a license.

it would only be illegal past the door of those entrances

ORIGINAL: raubt

ORIGINAL: The Stig

You should have said no, its your right as a citizent to defend yourself and you wernt doing anything ilegal. Â*


The mall is private property; they can ask you to leave for any reason they want.


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I can understand why though, when you consider that a lot of people would see a gun, and regardless of the fact it's on Joe citizen who's acting normal and in a holster, they'd freak. It can lead to numerous people calling the police, or worse, someone shouting "OMG he has a gun" and everyone runs and people get trampled etc. If you're not a uniformed gaurd/cop whatever and you're legally carrying, it's always better to be sublte about it and conceal. Around here that means belly packs, which leads to the saying "There's only 2 kinds of people in Kern County, California that wear belly packs. Queers and people that carry guns."

<------- is not gonna wear a belly pack


eh i figure it opens up the topic and helps to motivate people to consider using there rights.


the mall i was in is never crowded (only 70k people in the county) and im in south ga[8D]

I'm wondering why the need to openly carry a firearm.

Couldn't get a license for concealed carry?

Is the girlfriend imaginary? Or did you just give your weapon a girl's name?:D

legal or not, I don't see what good can come out of carrying a "concealed" weapon in a populated area. Trying to impress the redneck ladies, are we?

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

legal or not, I don't see what good can come out of carrying a "concealed" weapon in a populated area. Trying to impress the redneck ladies, are we?


When some nut randomly starts shooting everyone up in a public place and points the gun at you and I take him out before he pulls the trigger you thank me.

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

it would only be illegal past the door of those entrances


Read this

Places off limits to carry There are 5 laws that address where firearms may be borne (carried) Deadly Weapons at Public Gatherings; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense or defense (including ANY deadly weapon not listed here). A public gathering is defined and includes, but is not limited too, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies and/or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings(Fed, state, or local government buildings), and establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises(bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Does not apply to stores that just sell alcohol). Nothing in this code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to do so. (This means licensees are permitted to carry in stores, malls, financial institutions, and other places open to the public) Five areas are specifically defined as public gatherings, but since the definition of a public gathering is not limited to the five areas what else could be considered a public gathering? Attorney general Mike Bowers issued an opinion that addresses this very issue. In his definition a public gathering is "a place in which the public gathers or will gather for an particular event or function and does not apply to a place (such as a shopping mall, Walmart, grocery store, McDonlands), where people may gather even in large numbers when there is no event or function". So basically a public gathering in addition to the 5 defined areas is an event or function that the general public gathers or will gather for. This may be a parade, music event, free contests, presentation speakers, or any other publicized event that the general public can gather for. Remember however if a public place that is not off limits by the definition of this code section CAN still be defined as a public gathering IF any of the activities defined above are taking place on the premises. i.e. a mall that is hosting a public speaker or a music concert or portions of the mall that serves alcoholic beverages or portions leased to a government agency. Also keep in mind that this prohibition also applies to the grounds that are on or in close proximity of the "public gathering". i.e. the parking lot of a bar, stadium, church, or the common area of the premises that is hosting a "public gathering". It is an defense to violation of this code section if a person notifies any law enforcement officer or security guard employed to provide security for the public gathering, if you are in possession of a deadly weapon while at a public gathering as soon as you learn of it's presence and you surrender or secure such weapon as directed by the law enforcement officer or security guard providing security for the public gathering. (This does not mean you can carry to a public gathering, this section means that if you are carrying to a public gathering and you realize that you accidentally brought your weapon, then you can come forward to a LEO or security guard and surrender your weapon without risking arrest. This code section is clearly criminal in nature and the burden is on the state to show intent to violate this code section) This law shall not apply to competitors participating in a sport shooting or gun event, law enforcement officers, district attorneys, judges, magistrates, solicitors, ect. (16-11-127 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=127), Carroll co. probate court, AG opinion U96-22 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/ga-ag/u96-22.htm)) Weapons on school property and functions; It is (felony offense) unlawful for a person to carry ANY type of weapon onto or within 1,000 feet of real property owned or leased by any public or private elementary school, secondary school, or school board and used for elementary or secondary education and in, on, or within 1,000 feet of the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or institution of post secondary education. This code section does not apply to persons who are licensed under code 16-11-129 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=129) (Georgia Firearm License) or in accordance with code 43-38-10 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=43&chapter=38&section=10) (special carry licenses for security guards) when such person carries or picks up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school. (I'm not sure of the total legality actually carrying into school building while picking up or dropping off a student, but it appears to be completely legal since the code does not say anything about not being allowed to enter the building while carrying. I wouldn't loiter around in the halls or cafeteria, but instead make a straight bee line to the office and back in order to drop off or pick up a student if you are required to do so.) This code section shall also not apply to a weapon which is in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or one which is in a locked container in or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle which is being used by an adult over 21 years of age to bring to or pick up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or when such vehicle is used to transport someone to an activity being conducted on school property which has been authorized by a duly authorized official of the school; provided, however, that this exception shall not apply to a student attending such school; and shall not prohibit any person who resides or works in a business or is in the ordinary course transacting lawful business or any person who is a visitor of such resident located within a school safety zone from carrying, possessing, or having under such person's control a weapon within a school safety zone(this code section does not apply to anyone carrying or transporting a weapon through the zone, or while conducting business while in the zone, or while visiting someone who resides in the zone. Be advised however if you step onto actual school property (while not picking up or dropping off a student), the building or land the building is situated on, then you are in violation even if you have a license. Be careful!) however, it shall be unlawful for any such person to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while at a school building or school function or on school property, a school bus, or other transportation furnished by the school any weapon or explosive compound.(16-11-127.1 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=127.1)) [left][size="4"]Deadly Weapons on the premises of a nuclear power facility[size="4"]; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while on the premises of a nuclear power facility a firearm or weapon. (There are some execptions, but they all have to do with official duties or training.) [i]([URL=http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=

There are a LOT of instances all across the country every year of citizens with CCW's using their firearm in defense of themselves or others, and in the vast majority of those cases, the mere presence of their firearm was enough to defuse the situation, rarely does shooting ensue. Most criminals that have a gun drawn on them back down VERY quickly. The reason you almost never hear about it is because the media is primarily anti-gun and doesn't report on these instances, and if they do they're on page 19 of the least read section. The prime example of citizens with firearms helping to prevent crime is this....when was the last time you heard of someone robbing a gun show?

To a lesser degree it's true of where I live. Around here violent criminals know that if a gun is drawn on them, to stop. The ones that run usually get shot in the back.

That's what happened in Texas when that old dude shot those illegals dead, that just robbed his neighbor's house.
He was on a 9.1.1 call too lol.
He asked the douches to stop right there, they didn't, he shot them while trying to flee.
He sent them to their Celestial dirt nap:). Love it. It's like: Next!
I bet it's aquiet neighborood now;).

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

legal or not, I don't see what good can come out of carrying a "concealed" weapon in a populated area. Trying to impress the redneck ladies, are we?


Because 2 million crimes a year are stopped by gun totting citizens (the simplese google searches will verify this) and there are ZERO accidental deaths resulting from a person carrying a conealed weapon in a populated area

2 million Vs ZERO is actually fairly compelling statistics.

This is why ,no matter how much the media refuses to report anytime a citizen stops a crime , or how many law makers try to ban guns, or how many people scratch their heads wondering why guns are not banned, guns will not be banned and our right to be armed will stand. Once you educate yourself and actually look at all the analysis and studies, the entire argument falls apart completely.

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

<------- is not gonna wear a belly pack


eh i figure it opens up the topic and helps to motivate people to consider using there rights.


the mall i was in is never crowded (only 70k people in the county) and im in south ga[8D]



You guys can carry guns...into malls, lol; things are a lil differnt over there then over here in Jersey.

Btw, Ron Paul the man; he got my vote.

Here in Okla. we have to carry concealed. Open carry isn't legal. Yeppers......during the summer I'm one of those with a belly pack or carry my Keltech .380 which is flat enough that it doesn't print in a pocket.

damn thats scary, This is why i don't visit the US very often[8D]

ORIGINAL: drhoward

damn thats scary, This is why i don't visit the US very often[8D]


You mean all of us mentally stable not violent concealed carry folks don't make you feel
more safe????? [sm=bounceybounce.gif]

ya something like that[8D]

let me clarify my post. if you want to carry a concealed weapon, be my guest. Why must you openly show it to the point where the general public can see it. What good can come out of it? Its called a concealed weapon for a reason.

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

let me clarify my post. if you want to carry a concealed weapon, be my guest. Why must you openly show it to the point where the general public can see it. What good can come out of it? Its called a concealed weapon for a reason.


Cause their penis is too small and trying to impress people... "oooo I got a gun".... Who cares, especially when the bad guy knows you have gun, you better be able to defend youself w/o it because they will come after you first.

ORIGINAL: okbfd

ORIGINAL: drhoward

damn thats scary, This is why i don't visit the US very often[8D]


You mean all of us mentally stable not violent concealed carry folks don't make you feel
more safe????? [sm=bounceybounce.gif]


uhm... aren't you the ballroom dancer guy? :eek:

if you walked up to my place of business carrying a gun, I'd tell you to get out, too. just like I would call the cops on somebody walking around with a samurai sword. a delusional paranoia that makes you believe you need a gun in public places is not something to screams "mentally stable" to me.

yeah open carry is just stupid IMO... i mean in the GhEtTo or the woods its one thing, but in a mall? im pretty sure in MA we can only have concealed carry as well. one month till i apply for that one

Why do you carry a gun?

Where do you work?

go back and shoot up the mall then.

just out of curiosity...why would you take a gun into a mall? I understand that its your right to bear arms and all....but why would you take it into the mall? thats kinda asking for lookers and people being concerned. I understand its your right to carry it...but a mall? a little much no?

I understand its your right to carry it...but a mall? a little much no?

What's the difference between a mall or a restaraunt? Perhaps a store or some sort of picnic?

I will say that perhaps it's best to conceal instead of open carry in situations like that because there are PLENTY of stupid people that think gun = murderer, but I am sure most sane people have no problem with someone carrying in a mall.

im totally for carrying it on your person...i would just make a little different choice...like concealing it when in a mall. wouldnt just walk around a mall with a gun on my hip.

Yikes. I would be terrified if I saw somebody walking around a mallwith a gun. [:o]

Why carry a gun in a mall? Ummm....it could be that it is a gathering place for large numbers of people which is a wonderful target. Or, it could be that mall parking lots are great places for theft, abductions, assaults......do you ever read the paper? Yes redass, I'm the ballroom guy who just happens to carry a gun for protection of my family. Do I ever plan to use it.....absolutely not. However, if the situation does arise, (like you read and see on the news every day) Imight have at least the opportunity to save a life. You call me mentally unstable for carrying a gun in public? I think you are fool for not doing so.

People have an irrational paranoia when it comes to weapons. Just look at some of the responses in this thread. As soon as they see you have one all rational thought goes completely out the window and all the sudden it becomes entirely about their "feelings" and how you make them "feel".

People can and do carry them because very occasionally they can be extremely useful. And if that occasion never arises? Nothing else happens.

But what the hell am I thinking. This is the 2000s you know. And it's all about how "scary" things are and how they make you "feel". People care **** all for using their brains and not their emotions.

Vermont has no license requirement for a concealed carry and yet it's not a warzone. Amazing init? [&:]

concealed carry as far as I know is easy to get in PA....

tho I dont think a .357 S&W is easy to conceal....

It is just plain wierd to walk around in any place as urban as a MALL with an open carry if you aren't in law enforcement. Sorry, just is. No one I know has ever needed a gun for protection, no one I've ever known has needed a gun for protection, I have never been in a situation where I needed a gun, and I have never known anyone who was in a situation where they needed a gun.

Carrying a weapon openly in a public place just screams "INSECURE AND WANT TO FEEL COOL AND PRETEND I WILL SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!" to me.

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

It may be socially awkward but only due to the irrational fear and paranoia on the part of the general populace.

when you say open carry, do you mean concealed under your shirt, or literally open for everyone to see?

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

[quote]ORIGINAL: rmodel65

it would only be illegal past the door of those entrances


Read this

Places off limits to carry There are 5 laws that address where firearms may be borne (carried) Deadly Weapons at Public Gatherings; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense or defense (including ANY deadly weapon not listed here). A public gathering is defined and includes, but is not limited too, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies and/or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings(Fed, state, or local government buildings), and establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises(bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Does not apply to stores that just sell alcohol). Nothing in this code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to do so. (This means licensees are permitted to carry in stores, malls, financial institutions, and other places open to the public) Five areas are specifically defined as public gatherings, but since the definition of a public gathering is not limited to the five areas what else could be considered a public gathering? Attorney general Mike Bowers issued an opinion that addresses this very issue. In his definition a public gathering is "a place in which the public gathers or will gather for an particular event or function and does not apply to a place (such as a shopping mall, Walmart, grocery store, McDonlands), where people may gather even in large numbers when there is no event or function". So basically a public gathering in addition to the 5 defined areas is an event or function that the general public gathers or will gather for. This may be a parade, music event, free contests, presentation speakers, or any other publicized event that the general public can gather for. Remember however if a public place that is not off limits by the definition of this code section CAN still be defined as a public gathering IF any of the activities defined above are taking place on the premises. i.e. a mall that is hosting a public speaker or a music concert or portions of the mall that serves alcoholic beverages or portions leased to a government agency. Also keep in mind that this prohibition also applies to the grounds that are on or in close proximity of the "public gathering". i.e. the parking lot of a bar, stadium, church, or the common area of the premises that is hosting a "public gathering". It is an defense to violation of this code section if a person notifies any law enforcement officer or security guard employed to provide security for the public gathering, if you are in possession of a deadly weapon while at a public gathering as soon as you learn of it's presence and you surrender or secure such weapon as directed by the law enforcement officer or security guard providing security for the public gathering. (This does not mean you can carry to a public gathering, this section means that if you are carrying to a public gathering and you realize that you accidentally brought your weapon, then you can come forward to a LEO or security guard and surrender your weapon without risking arrest. This code section is clearly criminal in nature and the burden is on the state to show intent to violate this code section) This law shall not apply to competitors participating in a sport shooting or gun event, law enforcement officers, district attorneys, judges, magistrates, solicitors, ect. (16-11-127 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=127), Carroll co. probate court, AG opinion U96-22 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/ga-ag/u96-22.htm)) Weapons on school property and functions; It is (felony offense) unlawful for a person to carry ANY type of weapon onto or within 1,000 feet of real property owned or leased by any public or private elementary school, secondary school, or school board and used for elementary or secondary education and in, on, or within 1,000 feet of the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or institution of post secondary education. This code section does not apply to persons who are licensed under code 16-11-129 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=129) (Georgia Firearm License) or in accordance with code 43-38-10 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=43&chapter=38&section=10) (special carry licenses for security guards) when such person carries or picks up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school. (I'm not sure of the total legality actually carrying into school building while picking up or dropping off a student, but it appears to be completely legal since the code does not say anything about not being allowed to enter the building while carrying. I wouldn't loiter around in the halls or cafeteria, but instead make a straight bee line to the office and back in order to drop off or pick up a student if you are required to do so.) This code section shall also not apply to a weapon which is in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or one which is in a locked container in or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle which is being used by an adult over 21 years of age to bring to or pick up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or when such vehicle is used to transport someone to an activity being conducted on school property which has been authorized by a duly authorized official of the school; provided, however, that this exception shall not apply to a student attending such school; and shall not prohibit any person who resides or works in a business or is in the ordinary course transacting lawful business or any person who is a visitor of such resident located within a school safety zone from carrying, possessing, or having under such person's control a weapon within a school safety zone(this code section does not apply to anyone carrying or transporting a weapon through the zone, or while conducting business while in the zone, or while visiting someone who resides in the zone. Be advised however if you step onto actual school property (while not picking up or dropping off a student), the building or land the building is situated on, then you are in violation even if you have a license. Be careful!) however, it shall be unlawful for any such person to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while at a school building or school function or on school property, a school bus, or other transportation furnished by the school any weapon or explosive compound.(16-11-127.1 (http://www.georgiapacking.org/GaCode/?title=16&chapter=11&section=127.1)) [align=left][size="4"]Deadly Weapons on the premises of a nuclear power facility[size="4"]; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while on the premises of a nuclear power facility a firearm or weapon. (There are some execptions, but they all have to do with official duties or training.) [i

Open carry typically means viewable outside clothing. Like on a holster (shoulder, hip, thigh).

Concealed means behind clothing and out of sight.

ORIGINAL: 00silverStang

when you say open carry, do you mean concealed under your shirt, or literally open for everyone to see?




the holster was on my belt i was wearing a long shirt, but the shirt had ridden up some and i was sitting down on a bench in the mall.

open carry is legal in most states, it really helps to inform the general public and anti's(people who dont know how you could carry a gun)

Open carry is legal in MT except in certain places (bars, banks, federal buildings). I've seen people carrying openly. Never scared me. The ones you gotta worry about are the criminals who don't give a crap about concealed laws and usually hide what they have to avoid attracting attention.

Open carry is a bit extreme but concealed carry (and training to use your weapon) is commom sense....

I have no problem with concealed weapons, but what is the point in carrying it in the open besides to try and impress people? I think the age of the OP is quite the obvious reason, being a young guy, trying to look important.

Here another reason carrying in the open is pointless. Bad guy standing in line behind you plans on robbing the store or going on a shooting spree. See you are carrying, he then shoots your first, then holds up the store or he tries and possibly succeeds in disarming you. Then what are you going to do? Your up the creek without a paddle. BUT if you have it concealed, the bad guy has no idea you have a gun, tries to rob the store or tries shooting everyone in sight, you have a chance to take out the threat.

ORIGINAL: johnnyv8

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

<------- is not gonna wear a belly pack


eh i figure it opens up the topic and helps to motivate people to consider using there rights.


the mall i was in is never crowded (only 70k people in the county) and im in south ga[8D]



You guys can carry guns...into malls, lol; things are a lil differnt over there then over here in Jersey.

Btw, Ron Paul the man; he got my vote.




LOL for real. Try walking into freehold mall with a gun [:@]

The only reason I think it is stupid is because you know other people would panic. Honestly I'd probably think it was weird, but... are you from the midwest or the south? In that case disregard my comment:)

rmodel65 what did you have to do to get your gfl. I'm planning on getting mine in a couple months. Btw I live in GA too.

ORIGINAL: tdaddy

rmodel65 what did you have to do to get your gfl. I'm planning on getting mine in a couple months. Btw I live in GA too.


pay the cash as long as you dont have any felonies, no drug charges of any type etc ga is a must issue state good site for carrying in any state (http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/) and georgia firearm laws in layman's terms (http://www.georgiapacking.org/law.php)



ORIGINAL: mattlowe01


ORIGINAL: johnnyv8

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

<------- is not gonna wear a belly pack


eh i figure it opens up the topic and helps to motivate people to consider using there rights.


the mall i was in is never crowded (only 70k people in the county) and im in south ga



You guys can carry guns...into malls, lol; things are a lil differnt over there then over here in Jersey.

Btw, Ron Paul the man; he got my vote.




LOL for real. Try walking into freehold mall with a gun



pretty sure NJ is a licensed open carry state(meaning you must have a license to do so. people from these states can do so AK, ID, IN, KY, MI*, MO, MT, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT and your home state


ORIGINAL: hemi_04d

I have no problem with concealed weapons, but what is the point in carrying it in the open besides to try and impress people? I think the age of the OP is quite the obvious reason, being a young guy, trying to look important.


how young do you think I am?

ORIGINAL: fast65

You should have shot him.


That would have gone well...not

^^^holy big sig batman

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

how young do you think I am?



lemme guess... 25?:D

I once carried a pistol into a 7-11, but it was by accidnet because I was coon hunting and forgot I had it on me still..

Should of seen the look on the lady's face haha

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

^^^holy big sig batman

ORIGINAL: rmodel65

how young do you think I am?



lemme guess... 25?:D




cheater you looked at my profile[8D]

ORIGINAL: hemi_04d

Here another reason carrying in the open is pointless. Bad guy standing in line behind you plans on robbing the store or going on a shooting spree. See you are carrying, he then shoots your first, then holds up the store or he tries and possibly succeeds in disarming you. Then what are you going to do? Your up the creek without a paddle. BUT if you have it concealed, the bad guy has no idea you have a gun, tries to rob the store or tries shooting everyone in sight, you have a chance to take out the threat.

Here is one angle you may be missing.

Quite often people that go into rob a store are doing so in order to get money. They don't go in with the intent to shoot anyone. Their weapon is for forcing compliance. It's to intimidate and threaten. But not necessarily to kill unless absolutely necessary. IOW - the intent is to rob not murder. Therefore, he sees someone open carrying a weapon and guess what that can do. It can be a deterrant. He moves on and doesn't rob the place because he realizes that he will most certainly be forced to kill someone in this particular situation because there are others present who are armed.

And the idea about a shooting spree? Sure, a lunatic like that will probably target the open carrying person first. But so what? They are nuts and will shoot the place up regardless. That isn't a good reason for not having open carry. Furthermore, if more people carried then shooting sprees like that wouldn't likely go as far (for obvious reasons) and there would be more of a deterrant in effect overall because nutjobs like that know they will probably be facing return fire much faster than it's going to take the police to get on the scene.

ORIGINAL: hemi_04d



Here another reason carrying in the open is pointless. Bad guy standing in line behind you plans on robbing the store or going on a shooting spree. See you are carrying, he then shoots your first, then holds up the store or he tries and possibly succeeds in disarming you. Then what are you going to do? Your up the creek without a paddle. BUT if you have it concealed, the bad guy has no idea you have a gun, tries to rob the store or tries shooting everyone in sight, you have a chance to take out the threat.



Last year here in Tulsa.....it was a robber in front of a friend of one our MA instructors. Dumbass shot the guy in the leg instead of center mass. Oh well, video showed that he hit the femoral.......quite the pumping action. They never found him, and he never checked into a hospital. Our instructor was one of the officers who responded. Classic case of armed citizen involved in a good shoot.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/rmodel65/gun-free-zone-cLR.jpg

Isn't it ironic that in all those pictures the killers are carrying... guns?

Guns save lives!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bGqiULYbt5Y


whats funny is that this commercial will probably be on tv in a few years lol

Ahhh Fox News. They put the "news" back in "News."

yeah its fox but still the satire of it is quite funny

ORIGINAL: Lord Ashram

Ahhh Fox News. They put the "news" back in "News."


Ireally, really thought better of you :(

I live in Omaha, and last December we had some little punk ass dip**** that didn't get beat up enough in high school shoot up the Von Maur in the mall. I think it probably would have been different if you were in our malls. In my opinion, we need more people who legally carry.

yesmore people do,less than 3% of Georgians have a ccw. people who hold a ccw have the lowest crime rate of an group in the state even lower than that off police officers.