just out of curiosity...why would you take a gun into a mall? I understand that its your right to bear arms and all....but why would you take it into the mall? thats kinda asking for lookers and people being concerned. I understand its your right to carry it...but a mall? a little much no?
I understand its your right to carry it...but a mall? a little much no?
What's the difference between a mall or a restaraunt? Perhaps a store or some sort of picnic?
I will say that perhaps it's best to conceal instead of open carry in situations like that because there are PLENTY of stupid people that think gun = murderer, but I am sure most sane people have no problem with someone carrying in a mall.
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im totally for carrying it on your person...i would just make a little different choice...like concealing it when in a mall. wouldnt just walk around a mall with a gun on my hip.
Why carry a gun in a mall? Ummm....it could be that it is a gathering place for large numbers of people which is a wonderful target. Or, it could be that mall parking lots are great places for theft, abductions, assaults......do you ever read the paper? Yes redass, I'm the ballroom guy who just happens to carry a gun for protection of my family. Do I ever plan to use it.....absolutely not. However, if the situation does arise, (like you read and see on the news every day) I might have at least the opportunity to save a life. You call me mentally unstable for carrying a gun in public? I think you are fool for not doing so.
People have an irrational paranoia when it comes to weapons. Just look at some of the responses in this thread. As soon as they see you have one all rational thought goes completely out the window and all the sudden it becomes entirely about their "feelings" and how you make them "feel".
People can and do carry them because very occasionally they can be extremely useful. And if that occasion never arises? Nothing else happens.
But what the hell am I thinking. This is the 2000s you know. And it's all about how "scary" things are and how they make you "feel". People care **** all for using their brains and not their emotions.
Vermont has no license requirement for a concealed carry and yet it's not a warzone. Amazing init?
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It is just plain wierd to walk around in any place as urban as a MALL with an open carry if you aren't in law enforcement. Sorry, just is. No one I know has ever needed a gun for protection, no one I've ever known has needed a gun for protection, I have never been in a situation where I needed a gun, and I have never known anyone who was in a situation where they needed a gun.
Carrying a weapon openly in a public place just screams "INSECURE AND WANT TO FEEL COOL AND PRETEND I WILL SAVE THE WORLD!!!!!" to me.
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it would only be illegal past the door of those entrances
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Places off limits to carry
There are 5 laws that address where firearms may be borne (carried)
Deadly Weapons at Public Gatherings; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry to or while at a public gathering any explosive compound, firearm, or knife designed for the purpose of offense or defense (including ANY deadly weapon not listed here). A public gathering is defined and includes, but is not limited too, athletic or sporting events, churches or church functions, political rallies and/or functions, publicly owned or operated buildings(Fed, state, or local government buildings), and establishments at which alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on the premises(bars and restaurants that serve alcohol. Does not apply to stores that just sell alcohol). Nothing in this code section shall otherwise prohibit the carrying of a firearm in any other public place by a person licensed or permitted to do so. (This means licensees are permitted to carry in stores, malls, financial institutions, and other places open to the public) Five areas are specifically defined as public gatherings, but since the definition of a public gathering is not limited to the five areas what else could be considered a public gathering? Attorney general Mike Bowers issued an opinion that addresses this very issue. In his definition a public gathering is "a place in which the public gathers or will gather for an particular event or function and does not apply to a place (such as a shopping mall, Walmart, grocery store, McDonlands), where people may gather even in large numbers when there is no event or function". So basically a public gathering in addition to the 5 defined areas is an event or function that the general public gathers or will gather for. This may be a parade, music event, free contests, presentation speakers, or any other publicized event that the general public can gather for. Remember however if a public place that is not off limits by the definition of this code section CAN still be defined as a public gathering IF any of the activities defined above are taking place on the premises. i.e. a mall that is hosting a public speaker or a music concert or portions of the mall that serves alcoholic beverages or portions leased to a government agency. Also keep in mind that this prohibition also applies to the grounds that are on or in close proximity of the "public gathering". i.e. the parking lot of a bar, stadium, church, or the common area of the premises that is hosting a "public gathering". It is an defense to violation of this code section if a person notifies any law enforcement officer or security guard employed to provide security for the public gathering, if you are in possession of a deadly weapon while at a public gathering as soon as you learn of it's presence and you surrender or secure such weapon as directed by the law enforcement officer or security guard providing security for the public gathering. (This does not mean you can carry to a public gathering, this section means that if you are carrying to a public gathering and you realize that you accidentally brought your weapon, then you can come forward to a LEO or security guard and surrender your weapon without risking arrest. This code section is clearly criminal in nature and the burden is on the state to show intent to violate this code section) This law shall not apply to competitors participating in a sport shooting or gun event, law enforcement officers, district attorneys, judges, magistrates, solicitors, ect. (16-11-127, Carroll co. probate court, AG opinion U96-22)
Weapons on school property and functions; It is (felony offense) unlawful for a person to carry ANY type of weapon onto or within 1,000 feet of real property owned or leased by any public or private elementary school, secondary school, or school board and used for elementary or secondary education and in, on, or within 1,000 feet of the campus of any public or private technical school, vocational school, college, university, or institution of post secondary education. This code section does not apply to persons who are licensed under code 16-11-129(Georgia Firearm License) or in accordance with code 43-38-10(special carry licenses for security guards) when such person carries or picks up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school. (I'm not sure of the total legality actually carrying into school building while picking up or dropping off a student, but it appears to be completely legal since the code does not say anything about not being allowed to enter the building while carrying. I wouldn't loiter around in the halls or cafeteria, but instead make a straight bee line to the office and back in order to drop off or pick up a student if you are required to do so.) This code section shall also not apply to a weapon which is in a locked compartment of a motor vehicle or one which is in a locked container in or a locked firearms rack which is on a motor vehicle which is being used by an adult over 21 years of age to bring to or pick up a student at a school building, school function, or school property or on a bus or other transportation furnished by the school, or when such vehicle is used to transport someone to an activity being conducted on school property which has been authorized by a duly authorized official of the school; provided, however, that this exception shall not apply to a student attending such school; and shall not prohibit any person who resides or works in a business or is in the ordinary course transacting lawful business or any person who is a visitor of such resident located within a school safety zone from carrying, possessing, or having under such person's control a weapon within a school safety zone(this code section does not apply to anyone carrying or transporting a weapon through the zone, or while conducting business while in the zone, or while visiting someone who resides in the zone. Be advised however if you step onto actual school property (while not picking up or dropping off a student), the building or land the building is situated on, then you are in violation even if you have a license. Be careful!) however, it shall be unlawful for any such person to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while at a school building or school function or on school property, a school bus, or other transportation furnished by the school any weapon or explosive compound.(16-11-127.1)
Deadly Weapons on the premises of a nuclear power facility; It is (misdemeanor offense) against the law for a person (licensed or not) to carry, possess, or have under such person's control while on the premises of a nuclear power facility a firearm or weapon. (There are some execptions, but they all have to do with official duties or training.) [i
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when you say open carry, do you mean concealed under your shirt, or literally open for everyone to see?
the holster was on my belt i was wearing a long shirt, but the shirt had ridden up some and i was sitting down on a bench in the mall.
open carry is legal in most states, it really helps to inform the general public and anti's(people who dont know how you could carry a gun)
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Open carry is legal in MT except in certain places (bars, banks, federal buildings). I've seen people carrying openly. Never scared me. The ones you gotta worry about are the criminals who don't give a crap about concealed laws and usually hide what they have to avoid attracting attention.
I have no problem with concealed weapons, but what is the point in carrying it in the open besides to try and impress people? I think the age of the OP is quite the obvious reason, being a young guy, trying to look important.
Here another reason carrying in the open is pointless. Bad guy standing in line behind you plans on robbing the store or going on a shooting spree. See you are carrying, he then shoots your first, then holds up the store or he tries and possibly succeeds in disarming you. Then what are you going to do? Your up the creek without a paddle. BUT if you have it concealed, the bad guy has no idea you have a gun, tries to rob the store or tries shooting everyone in sight, you have a chance to take out the threat.
The only reason I think it is stupid is because you know other people would panic. Honestly I'd probably think it was weird, but... are you from the midwest or the south? In that case disregard my comment
eh i figure it opens up the topic and helps to motivate people to consider using there rights.
the mall i was in is never crowded (only 70k people in the county) and im in south ga
You guys can carry guns...into malls, lol; things are a lil differnt over there then over here in Jersey.
Btw, Ron Paul the man; he got my vote.
LOL for real. Try walking into freehold mall with a gun
pretty sure NJ is a licensed open carry state(meaning you must have a license to do so. people from these states can do so AK, ID, IN, KY, MI*, MO, MT, OK, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT and your home state
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I have no problem with concealed weapons, but what is the point in carrying it in the open besides to try and impress people? I think the age of the OP is quite the obvious reason, being a young guy, trying to look important.
how young do you think I am?
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