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RE: Motor Gone - 5/5/2008 8:34:34 PM   
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These threads always scare me.

Simon, sorry about what happened, but I know you will have fun piecing together a replacement.


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RE: Motor Gone - 5/5/2008 9:55:39 PM   
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damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psi on mine regularly.  If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOV with the current tune i got in there it does not lean out and i actually think its a little on the rich side.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/6/2008 6:59:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psi on mine regularly.  If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOV with the current tune i got in there it does not lean out and i actually think its a little on the rich side.


You should be just fine.

The tune I had peaked the TQ in about the 4600 RPM range and then really dwindled away after that.  Instead of keeping the really flat TQ curve like it was supposed it started loosing HP above 5,000 rpms instead of building it or atleast maintaining it.  The thing pulled like a beast.  I hate roll races, but would get challenged by 600 sport bikes regularly, I would pull them and or hold them off through 3rd and 4th.  The car made great power, it just wasn't perfect, so I messed with it and really screwed it up.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/6/2008 8:52:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

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ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psi on mine regularly.  If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOV with the current tune i got in there it does not lean out and i actually think its a little on the rich side.


Chris, who did your tune? Someone in the bay? Damn, I love your car. C-you at a GTG.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/6/2008 7:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Simon1

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ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psi on mine regularly.  If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOV with the current tune i got in there it does not lean out and i actually think its a little on the rich side.


You should be just fine.

The tune I had peaked the TQ in about the 4600 RPM range and then really dwindled away after that.  Instead of keeping the really flat TQ curve like it was supposed it started loosing HP above 5,000 rpms instead of building it or atleast maintaining it.  The thing pulled like a beast.  I hate roll races, but would get challenged by 600 sport bikes regularly, I would pull them and or hold them off through 3rd and 4th.  The car made great power, it just wasn't perfect, so I messed with it and really screwed it up.


I hope so ive been thinking about getting back on the dyno just to make sure shes still running right.


Jamil Im using the can tune I got from ProCharger and changed it from there. I did all the adjustments through the handheld and all of it was on the dyno with a a/f to make sure

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/6/2008 10:37:04 PM   
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I agree but it's all the same.. When you talk a trade..whether it be electrical, plumbing, hvac or mechanic, reputation will make or brake you.. My point was, as large as California is surely there are enough shops to do the trick. I live in a one trick town and there are two here probably 20 miles apart that I'd trust to build a motor for me..let alon do the work.


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I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business.  The other shop lost my business forever.





well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/7/2008 7:46:21 AM   
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I agree but it's all the same.. When you talk a trade..whether it be electrical, plumbing, hvac or mechanic, reputation will make or brake you.. My point was, as large as California is surely there are enough shops to do the trick. I live in a one trick town and there are two here probably 20 miles apart that I'd trust to build a motor for me..let alon do the work.


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ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business.  The other shop lost my business forever.





well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.


+1
Well put!
That is why I drove 1000 miles to have my car built. I would drive farther if I had to.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/7/2008 9:21:19 AM   
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I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/7/2008 10:41:55 AM   
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I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.


I am driving a 1,000 mile round trip to have ST Motorsports install s/c and tune on June 18th!

Bottom line is I am looking for someone who can as close as possible guarantee the longevity/livelihood of my engine and car's performance.

By all accounts, I have heard nothing but the best about Adam @ ST.

I have had three blown engines in an import racer I built.  IT is the WORST!!!! Costs big $$$$, and is a royal pain in the A$$$$!!!

I am an attorney.  Just like they say about the CA Bar Exam, "do it right, do it once, never do it again!!!!"

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/7/2008 11:55:17 AM   
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I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.


I am driving a 1,000 mile round trip to have ST Motorsports install s/c and tune on June 18th!

Bottom line is I am looking for someone who can as close as possible guarantee the longevity/livelihood of my engine and car's performance.

By all accounts, I have heard nothing but the best about Adam @ ST.

I have had three blown engines in an import racer I built.  IT is the WORST!!!! Costs big $$$$, and is a royal pain in the A$$$$!!!

I am an attorney.  Just like they say about the CA Bar Exam, "do it right, do it once, never do it again!!!!"


I bet you hate attorney jokes.

I hate cop jokes, but really both are funny for the most part regardless.


I'm driving down next week.

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/9/2008 2:46:21 AM   
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DAmn sorry to read this thread Simon1....cant wait to see the new motor and the new numbers!.....sorry for your loss...   J

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RE: Motor Gone - 5/9/2008 8:14:32 AM   
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Thanks,

I think I'm getting an ulcer over this thing.



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RE: Motor Gone - 5/9/2008 4:11:51 PM   
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I respect this opinion. I guess I'm lucky to have several excellant local wrenches to choose from. I'm really a drink a beer with you and get to know you before you do work for me kind. You guys make wrenching seem like rocket science though and I guess it is. This pic is from a 2007 gt that was tuned by a popular Texas shop. The guy whose car this is said his car dyno'd at 550 whp and his tuner said it would be "fine" to run that with his stock block...



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well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.



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RE: Motor Gone - 5/9/2008 5:52:24 PM   
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Damn that is chewed up! I could care less what anyone says.....with that kind of HP and TQ on a stock motor even if the tune is spot on things can go wrong with just a hiccup in any system responsible for running the motor and making it all work together and have a computer control all that...... remember guys that humans make the car and everything that goes into to it whether it is designing it and manufacturing it and putting it all together and unless I am mistaken none of us are perfect! (even the best tuners) and you take a chance at any level of boost and HP regardless of the tune....JMO  J   -All this is just motivating me to go forged much sooner and have some piece of mind! I would not change anything I have done to the car so far even the order to which I applied those mods.....I love this car and the FI!!!!!!!!  period!

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I respect this opinion. I guess I'm lucky to have several excellant local wrenches to choose from. I'm really a drink a beer with you and get to know you before you do work for me kind. You guys make wrenching seem like rocket science though and I guess it is. This pic is from a 2007 gt that was tuned by a popular Texas shop. The guy whose car this is said his car dyno'd at 550 whp and his tuner said it would be "fine" to run that with his stock block...



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well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.




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RE: Motor Gone - 5/9/2008 11:43:05 PM   
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+1 on going forged..  I'm trying not to beat on her too badly this season, and I'm going to get a Livernois 298 stroker next spring.

Unless anyone knows any reason why I shouldn't go with them??

Simon - sorry to hear about the engine, but I'm sure you'll have her back together, better than ever, in no time.



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