Unfortunately it blew today. The thing that makes it worst is, it's all my fault. I have been working with a tuner in Florida to try and get a tune forthe car. Between the downloading of the original back up file and the orginal canned tune, I messed it up somewhere and either loaded the wrong tune or didn't load properly to begin with. I don't know and don't really care at this point. I hadn't driven my car in a week and had completely forgotten about messing with the tuner.

I started my car as usual today and noticed when I started it, I felt a strange vibration like it was missing. It idled slightly differently but for whatever reason, the red flag didn't go up and I forgot I had been messing with the tuner. I let it warm up for a few mintues and then very casually, drove out of the neighborhood and onto the main boulovard leading to where I was going to do some data logging for the tuner. From a stop,I went through 1st and into 2nd normally (like an old white man)and about halfway through 2nd I gave it some more pedal, not to the floor by any means, the car vibrated and a large plume of the most beautiful blue smoke rolled out the back of the car. It then died and I knew what happened. I coasted to a stop and tried to start it. The car wouldn't even turn over. It siezed. I popped the hood and saw oil on the underside and all over the driver side inner fender well. Oh well. The car is too low to get a jack underneath it right now so pics will have to wait until later when I get it up (no jokes please)and can actually look underneath the car at the carnage.

So now the plans for a built motor start. I'm thinking a 298 ci forged short block,1 mm oversize valves, fuel pump upgrade, GT 500 TB and call it good. Oh, and maybe tuned ??

I will most likely trailer the car down to San Bernardino, CA to let ST motor sports work their magic. I have no idea about what motormanufacture (MMR, DSS, CHP or ???)to use and really don't care. If ST motorsports is okay with taking the ball and running with it, so am I.

Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.

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Damn.... Budget?

Get in line for ST Motorsports. :D

sorry to hear it simon1

it's odd it didn't throw a dtc, while
you were driving away from the house

if you had a a/f gauge, do you think
it would have made any difference in
the outcome

hope it gets built better and stronger
then ever

That sucks! Good thing you can afford to just fix it. If my block 'sploded the car would be sitting for months before I could even start planning on fixing it.

ORIGINAL: CataclysmGT

Get in line for ST Motorsports. :D


Obviously I want it done ASAP, but I really want it done right. My schedule will coincide with theirs like most shops. . .

ORIGINAL: hammeron

sorry to hear it simon1

it's odd it didn't throw a dtc, while
you were driving away from the house

if you had a a/f gauge, do you think
it would have made any difference in
the outcome

hope it gets built better and stronger
then ever






I was thinking the same thing abou the engine codes but??? I'm know computer guru, don't pretend to be.

As far as the A/F ratio. I have an AEM wideband A/F gauge. The thing is, it happened so fast I never got the chance to look at it. I really never do unless I am actually doing a run to check it.

I just checked the boost gauge and saw it read 10.9 psi. Really that's 10.3 or so and I have ran that psi since I got the turbo and the A/F would top out around 11.8 or so. I probably didn't clear the last high reading on the gauge so I will never know what the actual boost was at the time of explosion.

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

Damn.... Budget?


Budget? What's that mean?

I really don't know. I don't like to toot my own horn, but I have the money to run side by side with Modaddict, but I choose to not do it. I am very , how shall I say, frugal? with my money. Cheap things cost too much, so I buy the expensive ones that last forever.

I am married with little kids so I need to save some for later. LOL

Sorry to hear about your motor. Adam will be able to build it and tune it properly. You will not be dissappointed;)
Go big bore 331ci, I would if I was to do it over again. Calihpaddict has a turbo with that block set up and NA he got 359rwhp before the turbo was put on:D

500-600 streetable HP with room to grow with be nice. My turbo can support 620 I beleive, it's 60 mm,so I think something in the mid 500s isn't asking much.

369 N/A is great.

ORIGINAL: CataclysmGT

Get in line for ST Motorsports. :D


LOL.

Simon1 - that is a ****ing horror story. Every time a motor blows, it just breaks my hear t a bit cuz I know what it feels like to throw a rod. It sucks.

While the consolation is often a built motor, the price you pay just sux.

Keep your head up andpony up!

ORIGINAL: sawyer

Sorry to hear about your motor. Adam will be able to build it and tune it properly. You will not be dissappointed;)
Go big bore 331ci, I would if I was to do it over again. Calihpaddict has a turbo with that block set up and NA he got 359rwhp before the turbo was put on:D


Adam doesnt do my wrenching but he does all of my tuning. I can also vouch for that he does a great job tuning my car. He got me 550rwhp with no tuning only drivability at 5,000rpms on 9 psi and we plan to see any thing from 15-17psi once we are finished at max rpms. The car drives like it is stock and I dont think I would have any one else tune my car other then him.

ORIGINAL: tached_out

Adam doesnt do my wrenching but he does all of my tuning. I can also vouch for that he does a great job tuning my car. He got me 550rwhp with no tuning only drivability at 5,000rpms on 9 psi and we plan to see any thing from 15-17psi once we are finished at max rpms. The car drives like it is stock and I dont think I would have any one else tune my car other then him.



My turbo maxes out at 16 psi, I could upgrade it but probably won't right now.

I've been shopping around at DSS and MMR and I'm leaning toward an iron block, stroked to 298 ci with all the "small" things added in to make it stronger, more durable.

I'm gonna try and get the car up in the air today to take some pictures of the carnage.

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: tached_out

Adam doesnt do my wrenching but he does all of my tuning. I can also vouch for that he does a great job tuning my car. He got me 550rwhp with no tuning only drivability at 5,000rpms on 9 psi and we plan to see any thing from 15-17psi once we are finished at max rpms. The car drives like it is stock and I dont think I would have any one else tune my car other then him.



My turbo maxes out at 16 psi, I could upgrade it but probably won't right now.

I've been shopping around at DSS and MMR and I'm leaning toward an iron block, stroked to 298 ci with all the "small" things added in to make it stronger, more durable.

I'm gonna try and get the car up in the air today to take some pictures of the carnage.

Mark, Modadditc, has his stroker shortblock for sale you should contact him.

Earl

Adam from ST is coming to Utah at the end of the month to tune all of us. GET OUT HERE!


sorry your motor blew man

That really stinks, sorry to hear about it.

At least now you will get forged and wont have to worry about this happening again.

Tuning is so important I dont know why people use mailed tunes. I still have the FRPP one, but that this is so rich and conservative, I dont mind running it. On the dyno I dont think I went past 16 deg timing.

I would go to ST in a heartbeat, but as an eastcoaster that isnt an option. I plan to hit up VMP for a dyno tune as soon as I have some traction and clutch things sorted.

I plan to tell him to tune it for 10psiand 91 octane and plenty safe. I will always run 93 octane for safety although there is a good chance I will be moving soon so I cant gaurantee the good stuff.

I hope to someday forge on my schedule not be forced too. Hope to recoup some funds from my stock shortblock.

I hope everything works out for you, and you are back on the road soon.

Adam sent me a tune he worked onafter he tuned a 2007 mustang with saleen he had in his shop. Then I did a few runs going WOT and crusing several datalogs and now my tune is AWESOME. After spending time with adam tuning my car I won't let anyone touch the tune I really enjoy how it drives.. I couldn't be happier.I can't say enough how great the tune is.I loved the fact he would make changes and let me decide if I wanted to keep them.
Really tuned the car for me and what I like.

I have wideband and datalogged everything he wanted.

As far as a motor is concerned how about one of the new Aluminator from FRPP. They should have the three valve ready now.

My motor let go at 3200 rpm's normal light throttle at 30mph. Two rods one through the side and one through the top!

http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/stang/?action=view&current=BOOM009.jpg
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/stang/?action=view&current=BOOM007.jpg

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http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/stang/?action=view&current=replacement017.jpg


http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/?action=view&current=kaboom008.jpg

ORIGINAL: ShelbyDoc

My motor let go at 3200 rpm's normal light throttle at 30mph. Two rods one through the side and one through the top!
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/?action=view&current=kaboom008.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/stang/?action=view&current=BOOM009.jpg)



What was your setup, power level, psi? I know it wasn't a twinscrew just by looking at the above pic.

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: tached_out

Adam doesnt do my wrenching but he does all of my tuning. I can also vouch for that he does a great job tuning my car. He got me 550rwhp with no tuning only drivability at 5,000rpms on 9 psi and we plan to see any thing from 15-17psi once we are finished at max rpms. The car drives like it is stock and I dont think I would have any one else tune my car other then him.



My turbo maxes out at 16 psi, I could upgrade it but probably won't right now.

I've been shopping around at DSS and MMR and I'm leaning toward an iron block, stroked to 298 ci with all the "small" things added in to make it stronger, more durable.

I'm gonna try and get the car up in the air today to take some pictures of the carnage.

Hey Clint,
I was talking to Adam about the lose ends on my build and I told him about your motor. I PM'd you his email address, he can get you in next week or the week after:DAt least call Adam, he has a minimum of 8 10 second daily drivers out there( and a ton of other built motors)with ZERO engine failures that I know of. All his builds are done in house for quality control.

Sorry to here about the motor I totally know how you feel, I'll post pics of my short block tonight when I get it out of the car.

Hey Simon1,
I am working Saturday morning, but I can give you hand with the car after that if you need one. But damn that is horrible. I hope my sh!t does not go boom when I try to reload the new tune tomorrow.
Sactown

ORIGINAL: sactown

Hey Simon1,
I am working Saturday morning, but I can give you hand with the car after that if you need one. But damn that is horrible. I hope my sh!t does not go boom when I try to reload the new tune tomorrow.
Sactown


Don't do it! These things tend to come in 3's! OH wait, that's people dying.:eek: But that is 2 motors in 2 weeks, so.........

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: ShelbyDoc

My motor let go at 3200 rpm's normal light throttle at 30mph. Two rods one through the side and one through the top!
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/?action=view&current=kaboom008.jpg (http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i214/flalv/doc/stang/?action=view&current=BOOM009.jpg)



What was your setup, power level, psi? I know it wasn't a twinscrew just by looking at the above pic.



he's got a procharger. i checked hammeron's FI guest book and he signed in 2/12/2008, 2 days before i did.

The pics were after motor pulled. Procharger at 6psi professionally tuned.Boostwas going out the bypass at the time. I was not even on the throttle much. Had just turned out of my subdivision. New motor in this week.

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...





ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

Damn.... Budget?


Budget? What's that mean?

I really don't know. I don't like to toot my own horn, but I have the money to run side by side with Modaddict, but I choose to not do it. I am very , how shall I say, frugal? with my money. Cheap things cost too much, so I buy the expensive ones that last forever.

I am married with little kids so I need to save some for later. LOL

doesnt sound like too much boost at all, i wonder what made it blow like that. what was your a/f like?

it's turned into a historical
archive :D

cough *stickey* cough ;)



ORIGINAL: onederful100


he's got a procharger. i checked hammeron's FI guest book
and he signed in 2/12/2008, 2 days before i did.

I should be dropping my car off at ST motorsports later this week. I don't have to work until Friday night soI have the time.

Let me be clear to everyone that the explosion was not the fault of anyone but me. I messed with stuff I should not have been messing with or should have saught more professional advice.

The current turbo I have will support 620 horsepower (I beleive that is crank), so somewhere in the mid 500's will be just fine with me. Which is what I am shooting for now.

ORIGINAL: sawyer

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: tached_out

Adam doesnt do my wrenching but he does all of my tuning. I can also vouch for that he does a great job tuning my car. He got me 550rwhp with no tuning only drivability at 5,000rpms on 9 psi and we plan to see any thing from 15-17psi once we are finished at max rpms. The car drives like it is stock and I dont think I would have any one else tune my car other then him.



My turbo maxes out at 16 psi, I could upgrade it but probably won't right now.

I've been shopping around at DSS and MMR and I'm leaning toward an iron block, stroked to 298 ci with all the "small" things added in to make it stronger, more durable.

I'm gonna try and get the car up in the air today to take some pictures of the carnage.

Hey Clint,
I was talking to Adam about the lose ends on my build and I told him about your motor. I PM'd you his email address, he can get you in next week or the week after:DAt least call Adam, he has a minimum of 8 10 second daily drivers out there( and a ton of other built motors)with ZERO engine failures that I know of. All his builds are done in house for quality control.


I sent you a PM.

I don't care if he has the car for a month or two, as long he does right, which I'm sure he will.

ORIGINAL: hammeron

it's turned into a historical
archive :D

cough *stickey* cough ;)



ORIGINAL: onederful100


he's got a procharger. i checked hammeron's FI guest book
and he signed in 2/12/2008, 2 days before i did.





+1 on the sticky!
just a little mustangforum private investigating.
and when i looked i was the last person to sign it too.
and i just might sign it again!

ORIGINAL: ShelbyDoc

The pics were after motor pulled. Procharger at 6psi professionally tuned.Boostwas going out the bypass at the time. I was not even on the throttle much. Had just turned out of my subdivision. New motor in this week.


I could tell it wasn't a twinscrew because of the knock sensor wires and the stock coolant tube running down the engine valley. Why do you think the motor let go with no boost? That doesn't seem normal, unless something allready cracked or bent on your last jaunt. What were your dyno numbers? You might want to find a new professional.;)

ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: ShelbyDoc

The pics were after motor pulled. Procharger at 6psi professionally tuned.Boostwas going out the bypass at the time. I was not even on the throttle much. Had just turned out of my subdivision. New motor in this week.


I could tell it wasn't a twinscrew because of the knock sensor wires and the stock coolant tube running down the engine valley. Why do you think the motor let go with no boost? That doesn't seem normal, unless something allready cracked or bent on your last jaunt. What were your dyno numbers? You might want to find a new professional.;)



Probly tune related like mine.

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business. The other shop lost my business forever.

OUCH, but have fun building a new one~

and mine.....i'm never going there,
based on your recommendation


ORIGINAL: moosestang

The other shop lost my business forever.

I agree but it's all the same.. When you talk a trade..whether it be electrical, plumbing, hvac or mechanic, reputation will make or brake you.. My point was, as large as California is surely there are enough shops to do the trick. I live in a one trick town and there are two here probably 20 miles apart that I'd trust to build a motor for me..let alon do the work.


ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business. The other shop lost my business forever.

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psion mine regularly. If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.

These threads always scare me.

Simon, sorry about what happened, but I know you will have fun piecing together a replacement.

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psion mine regularly. If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOVwith the current tune i got in there it does not lean out andi actually think its a little on the rich side.

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psion mine regularly. If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOVwith the current tune i got in there it does not lean out andi actually think its a little on the rich side.


You should be just fine.

The tune I had peakedthe TQ in about the 4600 RPM range and then really dwindled away after that. Instead of keeping the really flat TQ curve like it was supposed it started loosing HPabove 5,000 rpms instead of building it or atleast maintaining it. The thing pulled like a beast. I hate roll races, but would get challenged by 600 sport bikes regularly, I would pull them and or hold them off through 3rd and 4th. The car made great power, it just wasn't perfect, so I messed with it and really screwed it up.

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psion mine regularly. If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOVwith the current tune i got in there it does not lean out andi actually think its a little on the rich side.


Chris, who did your tune? Someone in the bay? Damn, I love your car. C-you at a GTG.

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

ORIGINAL: Simon1

ORIGINAL: ANBAUTO

damn sorry for the troubles you have but im sure youll enjoy your new setup even more... with saying that and seeing this thread im really scared to run my car that hard now with my procharger i know im only boosting 8lbs and its not running lean but its still scary to see these threads


I ran 9.5-10.5 psion mine regularly. If your tune is good, you don't make too much power and you don't mess with stuff you should be fine.


Well right now its only getting to 8psi at most because i only take it to 5800-6k im putting down 450rwhp and about 405 rwtq Ive upgraded to larger FMIC and better BOVwith the current tune i got in there it does not lean out andi actually think its a little on the rich side.


You should be just fine.

The tune I had peakedthe TQ in about the 4600 RPM range and then really dwindled away after that. Instead of keeping the really flat TQ curve like it was supposed it started loosing HPabove 5,000 rpms instead of building it or atleast maintaining it. The thing pulled like a beast. I hate roll races, but would get challenged by 600 sport bikes regularly, I would pull them and or hold them off through 3rd and 4th. The car made great power, it just wasn't perfect, so I messed with it and really screwed it up.


I hope so ive been thinking about getting back on the dyno just to make sure shes still running right.


Jamil Im using the can tune I got from ProCharger and changed it from there. I did all the adjustments through the handheld and all of it was on the dyno with a a/f to make sure

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I agree but it's all the same.. When you talk a trade..whether it be electrical, plumbing, hvac or mechanic, reputation will make or brake you.. My point was, as large as California is surely there are enough shops to do the trick. I live in a one trick town and there are two here probably 20 miles apart that I'd trust to build a motor for me..let alon do the work.


ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business. The other shop lost my business forever.





well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.

ORIGINAL: tached_out

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I agree but it's all the same.. When you talk a trade..whether it be electrical, plumbing, hvac or mechanic, reputation will make or brake you.. My point was, as large as California is surely there are enough shops to do the trick. I live in a one trick town and there are two here probably 20 miles apart that I'd trust to build a motor for me..let alon do the work.


ORIGINAL: moosestang

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I know what you mean. I honestly would put 10k in a motor build and do it right. Honestly I'd get a 298cu/in stroker motor and be done with it. It sounds like ST needs to hire some wrenches and expand. They ,miight be loosing customers with their waiting list...



I have more respect for a shop that would turn me away because they have to much on their plate, than one that would string me along because they don't want to lose any business.

That's what happened with my gears and I found a shop that needed the business. The other shop lost my business forever.





well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.


+1
Well put!
That is why I drove 1000 miles to have my car built. I would drive farther if I had to.

I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.

ORIGINAL: Simon1

I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.


I am driving a 1,000 mile round trip to have ST Motorsports install s/c and tune on June 18th!

Bottom line is I am looking for someone who can as close as possible guarantee the longevity/livelihood of my engine and car's performance.

By all accounts, I have heard nothing but the best about Adam @ ST.

I have had three blown engines in an import racer I built. IT is the WORST!!!! Costs big $$$$, and is a royal pain in the A$$$$!!!

I am an attorney. Just like they say about the CA Bar Exam, "do it right, do it once, never do it again!!!!"

ORIGINAL: crazystylin

ORIGINAL: Simon1

I was going to drive 550 or so this morning but some things fell through and I can't leave yet.


I am driving a 1,000 mile round trip to have ST Motorsports install s/c and tune on June 18th!

Bottom line is I am looking for someone who can as close as possible guarantee the longevity/livelihood of my engine and car's performance.

By all accounts, I have heard nothing but the best about Adam @ ST.

I have had three blown engines in an import racer I built. IT is the WORST!!!! Costs big $$$$, and is a royal pain in the A$$$$!!!

I am an attorney. Just like they say about the CA Bar Exam, "do it right, do it once, never do it again!!!!"


I bet you hate attorney jokes.

I hate cop jokes, but really both are funny for the most part regardless.


I'm driving down next week.

DAmn sorry to read this thread Simon1:(....cant wait to see the new motor and the new numbers!;).....sorry for your loss... J

Thanks,

I think I'm getting an ulcer over this thing.

I respect this opinion. I guess I'm lucky to have several excellant local wrenches to choose from. I'm really a drink a beer with you and get to know you before you do work for me kind. You guys make wrenching seem like rocket science though and I guess it is. This pic is from a 2007 gt that was tuned by a popular Texas shop. The guy whose car this is said his car dyno'd at 550 whp and his tuner said it would be "fine" to run that with his stock block...http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h293/slv343/peeeyoooou.jpg



ORIGINAL: tached_out


well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.

Damn that is chewed up! I could care less what anyone says.....with that kind of HP and TQ on a stock motor even if the tune is spot on things can go wrong with just a hiccup in any system responsible for running the motor and making it all work together and have a computer control all that...... remember guys that humans make the car and everything that goes into to it whether it is designing it and manufacturing it and putting it all together and unless I am mistaken none of us are perfect! (even the best tuners) and you take a chance at any level of boost and HP regardless of the tune....JMO J -All this is just motivating me to go forged much sooner and have some piece of mind! I would not change anything I have done to the car so far even the order to which I applied those mods.....I love this car and the FI!!!!!!!! period:D!

ORIGINAL: blueherd02gt

I respect this opinion. I guess I'm lucky to have several excellant local wrenches to choose from. I'm really a drink a beer with you and get to know you before you do work for me kind. You guys make wrenching seem like rocket science though and I guess it is. This pic is from a 2007 gt that was tuned by a popular Texas shop. The guy whose car this is said his car dyno'd at 550 whp and his tuner said it would be "fine" to run that with his stock block...http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h293/slv343/peeeyoooou.jpg



ORIGINAL: tached_out


well for me its not about them expanding and making there shop bigger its about who is working on my car. They can open up 100 Spankin Time's but the only person who will tune my car is Adam. Just like the only guy who wrenches on my car is my buddy Matt from Caliber Customs in Fresno. Its really not about which shop touches my car and I am sure its the same for every one else its about who we allow to work on our car.

There will all ways be a HUGE waiting list for the best mechanics. If I turn my car over to ST for engine work I expect it to take a while to get done. What I all ways tell people who touch my car. Just take your time and dont get in a hurry.

+1 on going forged.. I'm trying not to beat on her too badly this season, and I'm going to get a Livernois 298 stroker next spring.

Unless anyone knows any reason why I shouldn't go with them??

Simon - sorry to hear about the engine, but I'm sure you'll have her back together, better than ever, in no time.