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Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? UPDATE 2 - 5/4/2008 5:46:42 PM   
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Hi all,

Well my 2.3 LX Stang has been great until today. I went to start her and she turns over but doesnt fire. I do not hear the fuel pump prime the system either. I checked the fuses and there all good.

Whats my next step? How do i hot wire the fuel pump to test that or how would i test the fuel pump relay.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 5:50:04 PM   
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Hot wire the fuel pump and then check your timing bet

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 6:09:41 PM   
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not to hi jack your threat but can someone post a pic of where the fuel pump relay is? thank you

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 6:22:00 PM   
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87-90 under driver/passenger seat 91-93 passenger strut tower


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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 6:23:00 PM   
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quote:

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Hot wire the fuel pump and then check your timing bet


How would my timing effect if my fuel pump operation? I no longer hear it kick on when i turn the ignition. And how do i hot wire it?

Thanks.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 6:33:51 PM   
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you wont hear the fuel pump kick on time after time. only when the pressure is low will it kick in.

Like said above, with the right amount of pressure the fuel pump wont even turn on untill the engine is started.

The timing BELT could have jumped a tooth from being loose or a bad tooth.





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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 7:09:33 PM   
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Thanks for the response sleeper. How would i jump the pump from the diagnostic connector? I do have a OBD1 scanner too that will check relays, so im assuming it will check the fuel pump relay too. 

Thanks.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/4/2008 7:19:11 PM   
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It should be fuel pump to self test in, if not then try fuel pump to anyone of the ones on there

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/5/2008 9:19:17 AM   
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One thing i did also notice when trying to crank the car was that the tach needle bounces. I wont be able to hook up my scanner till wednesday to check that relay :(

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/5/2008 5:46:16 PM   
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So dose mine. It dosen`t mean anything unless its when the car is running

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/5/2008 6:59:37 PM   
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Thanks for the response...again sleeper.

Now i have another question. Suppose the relay is good (only $17 so i ordered one anyhow), and the fuel pump is bad, how much of a challange is it to drop the tank and replace the pump? Is it possible to do the above with hand tools and regular floor jacks?

Thanks again all.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/5/2008 7:06:37 PM   
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Put jack under the tank, undo straps holding it up, undo fuel lines, drop tank, replace pump, add new gaskets, and reconnect everything

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/7/2008 3:15:52 PM   
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Hey guys,

So i pulled the codes. It is code 543 - Fuel Pump Secondry Circuit Open.

So, bad relay? My scan tool did not report back that any of the relays are not working, and the car still doesnt start. Still no sound from the fuel pump either.
The new relay will be here tomorrow though. I looked in the engine bay to locate it but no luck. Its on the passenger side fender area right?

Ideas?

Thanks again all for your help.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/7/2008 6:59:57 PM   
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What year is your car? I know the 87-90 had it under the drivers seat and the 93 had it in the engine compartment

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/7/2008 10:04:56 PM   
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I think i found it. It looks like its on the passenger of the engine bay.
Hopefully this new relay will fix my issue. Ill let you guys know this weekend when i install it.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/8/2008 4:41:04 PM   
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Hey guys,

So another question, which relay is the relay for the fuel pump? I see 4 relays by the passenger side fender and none of them are labeled. My Haynes manual doesnt state which relay is which either. My new relay arrived today and will be installed once i figure out which relay is which.

Sorry for the continuous questions.

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/8/2008 6:52:55 PM   
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What year is your car?

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? - 5/8/2008 8:09:38 PM   
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Hi,

It would be a 1993 2.3 LX Convertible. :D

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? UPDATE Code 543 - 5/10/2008 3:06:44 PM   
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Another update -

Well, this search for the relay is becoming really confusing. I looked on the passenger fender to find what looks to be a CCRM. I have read online though that the fuel pump relay is not apart of that CCRM and that its by the MAF sensor or in the passenger side kick panel by the ECC.
When i look for the fuel pump relay online, all the Ford parts sites come up with the same 2" sqaure relay.

Before i start to tear the interior out, or pull my air box and all, has anyone changed there fuel pump relay on a 2.3 DIS engine or is it the CCRM after all?

Im guessing i should try calling the dealership too.

Thanks

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RE: Another No Starting Stang..any ideas? UPDATE Code 543 - 5/11/2008 4:59:37 PM   
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The fuel pump relay, fan control, and ignition control is in the same unit

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