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some people fly it for both. others just hate ****s. and the other others do it for heritage....of what, i don't know.
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The retards you see flying it around that are doing it for 'hate' reasons are usually people who couldnt tell you 1 fact from the Civil War or even tell you what the Confederate States of America were. Trash is trash.
My mom has one, though she has not had it out in a few years and I can assure you that she does not fly it to 'intimidate or show hate' towards anyone.
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no way dude, the civic war was all about their rights being violated, not slavery.
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well let me answer your question with another question:
is a swastika considered german heritage?
not really, because as I understand it Hitler wanted an instantly recognizable symbol that would represent the Nazi worker's party.
The German flag at the time was still red, yellow, black and had the crest of an eagle on it correct? The Stars and Bars represents an entire seceeded nation, not the identity of a political party.
no, east and west germany went back to different versions of the black red and gold in 1949
during the war and just before, the red w/ white circle and swastika inside represented the entire nation of germany and all regions they had conquered
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This question tears me up. As a direct decendant of a Confederate soldier, I love the South.
When I fly my Confederate battle flag, well, nowdays it hangs on the wall of my garage, it has nothing to do with 'hate'.
That being said, I can certainly see why some people view it as a symbol of hate and bigotry. When the good people of the South sat idly by and let the flag be co-opted as a symbol of the white supremacy groups of all stripes and said nothing we lost our flag.
Shame on us.
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The confederate flag is not hate. In its conception no one had it in mind that "colored folks are going to fear and hate this flag." The flag today is just a rememberance of that proud southern heratage. It can be argued that it's now being used by hate groups. But so is the American flag does that meen it shouldnt be flown ither? I personally dont see it as hate and proudly fly the confederate flag. It really shows that a Nation shouldnt try to intrude upon a person's rights and over tax them.
Im proud to come from a state that does recognise this (South Carolina) and still fly's the flag maybe not on the state house but upon the steps of the State house. Americans northern and southern fought for and died for that flag. It's as much my heratage as anyone eles's. Personally the Confederate flag does meen alot to me. It identifies my region, my family my rights and the fact that I am southern. Some may get and others dont. But I do feel that the truth should be taught about the Civil War and not simply forgotten or tought that the North was right and South was wrong.
FACT the Ku Klux Klan when marched on Washington DC didnt fly the Confederate flag. But only flew the American Flag.
But if you dont feel the same as I then just let this flag stand as a rememberance of the countless that have died for it. And the FACT that the nation shall not be the agressor upon its own people.
Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
I personally don't care if it's for heritage or for hate, but I do think that it is a little ridiculous to be flying the flag outside of court houses and on goverment property. The flag can mean many different things, especially if you're from the south, but I just can't understand flying the rebel flag on goverment property.
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Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
Yeah lets not forget the people that died for the swastika, they deserve a round of applause as well. It's not like the north and south came from the same ancestors (i.e. east europeans), but yet just becuase they were in the south they must be proud cuz it's hot.
My question is, what is it that you're proud of? What did you accomplish that any other "American" didn't? Hold land and had it run by slaves? Invent the cotton gin? I mean wtf, it's America. United we stand, we all share the glory.
How does that flag make you any different from the Mexicans that fly the Mexican flag on thier bumper stickers or anything of that matter? You're rooting for the wrong team so therefore you are a communist!
I did a paper of the causes of the civil war. This my shed some light on those of you who are unfamiliar with the subject.
Some say simplistically that the Civil War was fought over slavery. The causes of the war were a complex series of events, including slavery that began long before the war even started. Competing nationalisms, political turmoil, the definition of freedom, the preservation of the Union, the fate of slavery and the structure of our society and economy are all significant factors that play a role in the crumbling nation. The North favored a loose interpretation of the United States Constitution. They wanted to grant the federal government increased powers. The South wanted to reserve all undefined powers to the individual states. The North also wanted internal improvements sponsored by the federal government. This was more roads, railroads, and canals. The South, on the other hand, did not want these projects to be done at all. Also the North wanted to develop a tariff. With a high tariff, it protected the Northern manufacturer. It was bad for the South because a high tariff would not let the south trade its cotton for foreign goods. The North also wanted a good banking and currency system and federal subsidies for shipping and internal improvements. The South felt these were discriminatory and that they favored Northern commercial interests. The main reason for the South’s secession was the Slavery issue. Basically the South wanted and needed it and the North did not want it at all. The South was going to do anything they could to keep it. At this time the labor force in the South had about 4 million slaves. These slaves were very valuable to the slaveholding planter class. They were a huge investment to Southerners and if taken away, could mean massive losses to everyone. Slaves were used in the South as helpers in the fields in the cultivation of tobacco, rice, and indigo, as well as many other jobs. The South especially needed more slaves at this time because they were now growing more cotton then ever because of the invention of the cotton gin. Cotton production with slaves jumped from 178,000 bales in 1810 to over 3,841,000 bales in 1860. Within that time period of 50 years the number of slaves also rose from about 1,190,000 to over 4,000,000. The plantation owners in the South could not understand why the North wanted slavery abolished that bad. Southerners compared it with the wage-slave system of the North. They said that the slaves were better cared for then the free factory workers in the North. Southerners said that slave owners provided shelter, food, care, and regulation for a race unable to compete in the modern world without proper training. Many Southern preachers proclaimed that slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, but after the American Revolution slavery really died in the North, just as it was becoming more popular in the South. By the time of 1804 seven of the northern most states had abolished slavery. During this time a surge of democratic reform swept the North and West. There were demands for political equality and economic and social advances. The Northerners goals were free public education, better salaries and working conditions for workers, rights for women, and better treatment for criminals. The South felt these views were not important. All of these views eventually led to an attack on the slavery system in the South, and showed opposition to its spread into whatever new territories that were acquired. Northerners said that slavery revoked the human right of being a free person. Now with all these views the North set out on its quest for the complete abolition of slavery. When new territories became available in the West the South wanted to expand and use slavery in the newly acquired territories, but the North opposed to this and wanted to stop the extension of slavery into new territories. The North wanted to limit the number of slave states in the Union. But many Southerners felt that a government dominated by Free states could endanger existing slaveholdings. The South wanted to protect their states rights. The first evidence of the North’s actions came in 1819 when Missouri asked to be admitted to the Union as a slave state. After months of discussion Congress passed the Missouri Compromise of 1820. This compromise was legislative measures that regulated the extension of slavery in the United States for three decades. Now the balance of 11 Free states and 11 slave states was in trouble. The conflict that led to succession was during the presidential election of 1860. The newly formed Republican Party nominated Abraham Lincoln on principles that opposed the further expansion of slavery. Now with Lincoln being elected the South really felt that expansionism was being threatened, and because expansion was vital to the survival of slavery they also felt their way of life was being threatened. Slavery was such an important part of Southern society, the South felt that they could not survive without it. Now they felt there was nothing more they could do. They were convinced that they should make a bid for independence by succeeding rather then face political encirclement.
Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
Yeah lets not forget the people that died for the swastika, they deserve a round of applause as well. It's not like the north and south came from the same ancestors (i.e. east europeans), but yet just becuase they were in the south they must be proud cuz it's hot.
My question is, what is it that you're proud of? What did you accomplish that any other "American" didn't? Hold land and had it run by slaves? Invent the cotton gin? I mean wtf, it's America. United we stand, we all share the glory.
How does that flag make you any different from the Mexicans that fly the Mexican flag on thier bumper stickers or anything of that matter? You're rooting for the wrong team so therefore you are a communist!
Thanks for calling me a communist I guess I joined the wrong Air Force?
But what am I proud of? Im personally proud of my state my country my family that has fought and died for this nation. Yes im very proud of my great great grand father who died for what he beilived in. He was a confederate soldier and I feel that it is my heritage. I am very proud of the fact that I am southern. My ancestors fought for what they felt was right. I dont feel that they should be forgotten. And you comparing them to a nazi is very well disrespectfull of you. My family owned no slaves but fought for the confederacy. As MOST of the people did. Ever heard of a rich man war poor mans fight?
This is one of those perception issues. Those that fly it for hate hide behind the heratige argument. Those who truely fly it for heratige are tarnished by those who fly it for hateful reasons. If you study the civil war a little bit, you realize that it was really not about slavery. It was about economics and logistics. Slavery was the "evil" that was championed as a reason to support the war. Does this sound familiar? It's been used by every Administration since to support conflict du jour since.
The fact is, states rights was the reason the South succeded. Yes, slavery was one of the states rights issues. but so was the right to trade cash crops with Europe at a better rate on the world market where they got a better price for it than sending it to the mills in the north. There was in fact a laundry list of complaints the southern states had with the federal government that were ignored. They were ignored because they were in the minority seats it held in Congress and the House of Representatives.
Knowing this history, I see the flag, it reminds us of how much freedom we don't have and how little say we actually have in our government.
This is one of those perception issues. Those that fly it for hate hide behind the heratige argument. Those who truely fly it for heratige are tarnished by those who fly it for hateful reasons. If you study the civil war a little bit, you realize that it was really not about slavery. It was about economics and logistics. Slavery was the "evil" that was championed as a reason to support the war. Does this sound familiar? It's been used by every Administration since to support conflict du jour since.
The fact is, states rights was the reason the South succeded. Yes, slavery was one of the states rights issues. but so was the right to trade cash crops with Europe at a better rate on the world market where they got a better price for it than sending it to the mills in the north. There was in fact a laundry list of complaints the southern states had with the federal government that were ignored. They were ignored because they were in the minority seats it held in Congress and the House of Representatives.
Knowing this history, I see the flag, it reminds us of how much freedom we don't have and how little say we actually have in our government.
+1
You also have to remember that the emancipation proclamation wasnt even signed untill 1863. And was singed as a way to get back at the slave holders. It was mainly a strategy to hopefully start a slave up rising (that never happened BTW).
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