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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 1:11:55 PM
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nghtrnnr
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heres a question...my dixieland airhorn in my mustang....(for those that dont know thats the dukes of hazrd horn)...its friggin loud and i hit it before i do burnouts...some people say thats a hate thing? is it?
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 1:14:18 PM
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Those are the same ignorant assholes that complain about the general lee charger being racist because of the flag on the roof and the name. Like I said I don't care if you fly it for hate or heritage, but I think the flags shouldn't be flown outside of government buildings, for christ's sake, it's another countries flag.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 1:14:27 PM
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I'm gonna fly a swastika because I think bugs are good cars and I want to pay homage to their heritage. How dare people look at me as a nazi just because I like VW bugs.
It doesn't really matter what someone's stupid personal opinion of the confederate flag is, and as much as I hate it when people say, "it is what it is", that saying applies perfectly to the confederate fags.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 1:46:10 PM
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Well, there are two aspects to it:
As a historical icon, the confederate battle flag is obviously a massively important piece of American history. Any attempt to "cleanse" it from history is absolutely stupid. I have an entire room of my house dedicated to military history, and the battle flag shows up in eight or ten different places, as it should, and make an annual pilgrimage to Gettysburg, and have a great deal of love for the flag as a piece of history, and military history in particular.
However, as a modern day symbol, I have no "respect" for it. Personally I view the CSA (and it was Jeff Davis, btw) as a rebel group which was dedicated to destroying the United States. Confederate soldiers killed American soldiers. No ifs, ands, or buts. I feel like Americans who live in the southern states should appreciate their ancestors (blood is thicker than patriotism) but to fly the flag is, to me, flying the flag of an enemy force. I am SHOCKED when soldiers fly it; it is flying the flag of an enemy military force (and yes, it is a battle flag, not the National flag)... an enemy force that killed hundreds of thousands of American soldiers.
As for it being used as a symbol for skinheads and the like, ehhh... I don't care about that as much. It isn't really a symbol of that, but if someone uses it as such, that is more their business and I'll ignore it.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 2:26:36 PM
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cominus
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Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
Yeah lets not forget the people that died for the swastika, they deserve a round of applause as well. It's not like the north and south came from the same ancestors (i.e. east europeans), but yet just becuase they were in the south they must be proud cuz it's hot.
My question is, what is it that you're proud of? What did you accomplish that any other "American" didn't? Hold land and had it run by slaves? Invent the cotton gin? I mean wtf, it's America. United we stand, we all share the glory.
How does that flag make you any different from the Mexicans that fly the Mexican flag on thier bumper stickers or anything of that matter? You're rooting for the wrong team so therefore you are a communist!
Thanks for calling me a communist I guess I joined the wrong Air Force?
Yeah sorry about that, communist was probably a wrong word. More like biggot, but I dont want to get into a name calling argument, oh yeah because college isnt for everybody.
You should have joined the navy, the South was like the first to have invented a submarine, well sorta.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 9:42:42 PM
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I agree with everything said. i see yalls point of views and by all means keep it coming. i mean hell i got a already written paper and some good facts too. I also live in South Carolina and yes we do fly the flag on our state house grounds. its badass. it used to be on the top of the state capitol building but they took it down because people complained so much. it was right under that american flag.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 9:57:15 PM
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I'm from Mississippi and our state flag still contains the confederate flag. I personally do not fly a confederate flag, but I think it's stupid to call everyone who flies them ignorant rednecks. I am proud to be from the south along with plenty of other people around here. I do agree that there are quite a few people that fly the flag for racial purposes, but generalizing that everyone is like that is an incorrect stereotype.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 10:29:59 PM
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Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
Plenty of people died for stupid causes, doesn't make them heroes. What about all the men and women that died fighting AGAINST them? How can you choose to value one side over the other? You gain nothing by saying Americans died over it, because Americans also died fighting against it. Until you prove their lives were worth more than everyone's on the other side you're just wrong. I'm not claiming one side was better than the other. Just calling it how I see it. I still regard them as losers, because that's just what they are. But how can you call me ignorant? I think I know enough about the flag to have a justified opinion on the matter...I really don't even think it's a big deal. People can fly whatever flag they want and I won't care. I think the people flying it make a bigger deal out of it than the people who protest against it honestly. They beg for that kind of attention it seems. The last thing I would give them is my attention though, I've never said a word against anyone flying it other than in these last few posts. I just think we have bigger problems in the world than some 100 year old debate.
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/2/2008 10:36:21 PM
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i have several relatives from down south, as well as the north, where i reside...also have relatives in germany, who during ww2 would have technically been fighting against my relatives who had immigrated years before...now that's messed up... rebel flag, let's see here...i think in general, it is used by people that want to project a redneck hick image (even rich yuppie people do it ----in the NORTH!!!)....we should, however, also recognize that not every person in the south back then was a slave owner...the rich, sure, but the poor farmer, def not...and who do you think fought the war? the poor farmers b/c they were fed a bunch of garbage about how the union would ruin their way of life...pretty ridiculous...having your nation believe something by using fear tactics way back in the day. so, i think that if you're really into your family heritage, go for it, but if you're just an ignorant bigot, i don't really have anything to say about that...and i'm pretty sure that even though i've had ancestors fighting on each side of every war mentioned thus far, NO flags are flown by any of my family members, other than my great uncle who recently died (he was a ww2 purple hear recipient - my gpa quit school at 16 and somehow got in the military after he was injured and was at d-day...then later went to korea)......and then my other gpa flew a family coat of arms flag...JMPOV
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/3/2008 1:39:17 AM
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Anyone that flies it today is in my books a loser. Because they lost the war. But no it's not heritage, people can change I like to think.
And I call you ignorant.
You shoudnt forget the countless men and women that died for it even if you think it's a unjust cause. Now I do agree there is a certan ignorance in some people about the meaning of the flag. But that is life and I have come to expect such things I blame the schools personally. And there is a differance in ignorance and stupidity.
Yeah lets not forget the people that died for the swastika, they deserve a round of applause as well. It's not like the north and south came from the same ancestors (i.e. east europeans), but yet just becuase they were in the south they must be proud cuz it's hot.
My question is, what is it that you're proud of? What did you accomplish that any other "American" didn't? Hold land and had it run by slaves? Invent the cotton gin? I mean wtf, it's America. United we stand, we all share the glory.
How does that flag make you any different from the Mexicans that fly the Mexican flag on thier bumper stickers or anything of that matter? You're rooting for the wrong team so therefore you are a communist!
Thanks for calling me a communist I guess I joined the wrong Air Force?
Yeah sorry about that, communist was probably a wrong word. More like biggot, but I dont want to get into a name calling argument, oh yeah because college isnt for everybody.
You should have joined the navy, the South was like the first to have invented a submarine, well sorta.
How can you sit there and say you dont want to get into a name calling argument when you going to sit there and call me a "Communist" and a "Biggot"
(Oh by the way you spelled bigot wrong. ) It's very easy to try to use words. And not be educated enough to use them. quote:
yeah because college isnt for everybody. (its the effort that counts right....?)
I quote Communism is.
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A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
Now lets get to basics I for one dont support communism if I did I wouldnt be joining a fighting force that supports and defends and spreads Democracy across the world. Or would I taken a pledge to support and defend the constituion of the United States. Also the south supported less goverment and also had a very similar constitution to the United States. (surprise right?)
You also attempt to call me a Biggot and you seem to not know what that meens.
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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
Now I dont feel like ive come off as a prejudice person. Nor am I intolerant of anyones opinions etc. I dont have a problem with one because of there race or creed. It's easy to resort to name calling and atempting to sound smart. But you fail.
Also the CSS Hunely was the first to sink a ship wich was completly accidental. And they didnt event the submarine.
But its okay I wouldnt know nothing like that becuase ima big "biggot"  
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/3/2008 10:11:09 PM
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/3/2008 10:24:54 PM
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But its okay I wouldnt know nothing like that becuase ima big "biggot"
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RE: Heritage or Hate - 5/3/2008 10:40:32 PM
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How can you sit there and say you dont want to get into a name calling argument when you going to sit there and call me a "Communist" and a "Biggot"
(Oh by the way you spelled bigot wrong.) It's very easy to try to use words. And not be educated enough to use them.
OooOOo, grammar Nazi, my bad. I didnt mean communist, that was just the first thing that came to mind, and bigot, well "Redneck97" that drives a camaro, and flies a conferderate flag, yeah I guess im a stereo type, my apologies.
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(its the effort that counts right....?)
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I quote Communism is.
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A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The authoritarian is always a bad person, if it was Jesus it would probably be USA II.
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Now lets get to basics I for one dont support communism if I did I wouldnt be joining a fighting force that supports and defends and spreads Democracy across the world. Or would I taken a pledge to support and defend the constituion of the United States. Also the south supported less goverment and also had a very similar constitution to the United States. (surprise right?)
They didnt support less government, they just wanted to decentralize it, which in turn was the reason why it collapsed, neither state wanted to share it's money and soldiers and since the federal goverment couldnt enforce it nothing got accomplished and the South crumbled. If they had a communist government and Jackson would have just ordered everybody to get thier shyt straight the South might have won. So there's your communism for you A/H!
You also attempt to call me a Biggot and you seem to not know what that meens.
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A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
Like I stated before, I guess im just a stereo type, not proud, but it's my instincts telling me so.
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Now I dont feel like ive come off as a prejudice person. Nor am I intolerant of anyones opinions etc. I dont have a problem with one because of there race or creed. It's easy to resort to name calling and atempting to sound . smart. But you fail
No, you fail...no I fail too, im from Texas which = south which = fail.
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Also the CSS Hunely was the first to sink a ship wich was completly accidental. And they didnt event the submarine.
Who cares if it was accidental, it still served its purpose. I didnt say they did, I said sorta, as in it was actually put one into the water and make a ship sink. Like Ford, they didnt invent the car, they just put one into production, allowing the rest to follow.
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