Well here's the deal, 3 weeks ago my fiance told me that she was unhappy and was leaving and moving 500 miles away back to her hometown to live with her parents. We continued living with each other for 1 week before she left. During that time we screwed like rabits, spent more money on rubber than i do on gas, and never once went swimming without my life jacket on. She called me today, said she just got back from the doctor and she's prego. She said that she thinks that she wants to get an abortion, call me old fassion, but i do not believe in abortion, its killing a kid before they have goten a chance to enter this world. I personally think that its ****ed up that she just wants to kill our kid. She's calling me tomorrow so we can talk about what she is going to do...... i Dunno what to do right now, iam so pissed.

cliff notes.

1. Fiance says she's leavin.
2. screw like rabits for a week before she does move.
3. she calls and says she's prego.
4. she wants to kill our kid.

And i swear if i hear one in the butt remark........

should've done it in the butt. less chance of getting preggo, dude.

maybe have the child and put it up for adoption? can you afford a child right now?

We did, a few times:D, but thats not the point, the point is that she just wants to kill our kid.

This is not something you really want to seriously discuss with a bunch of strangers on MF.

On 2nd thought, please do. I'm sub'ing to this thread.

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yeah

but anyway, the "baby" isn't even born, not even technically a few weeks old...and you think its murder? its her body, dude. besides, if you have the abortion, you better ****ing make an obituary in the newspapers and hold a ****ing funeral with lots of flowers and pictures of said "baby" so we can all mourn the loss of a loved one...:eek:

a thread is going to get locked because iam venting how i feel right now? and how she's wanting to just kill our kid? I dont see why.

i think you should put it up for adoption

personally adoption is one option that i would rather consider than her just killing our kid......

it's either that or having the baby and start life as a father....and share a child with someone who you were going to tie the knot but she wasn't happy and moved away.

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dude, thats not a "girl problem." thats a "life problem."


who legally gets to decide?

Or get her to have the kid, sign parental rights, and me raise the child. i would rather her do that than her kill it......

i know, i know, she legally gets to decide, legally iam just the middle class, white, americal, "deadbeat" man, who knocked her up.............

ORIGINAL: anthros

Or get her to have the kid, sign parental rights, and me raise the child. i would rather her do that than her kill it......



maybe you should stop referring to the child as "it"

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

yeah

but anyway, the "baby" isn't even born, not even technically a few weeks old...and you think its murder? its her body, dude. besides, if you have the abortion, you better ****ing make an obituary in the newspapers and hold a ****ing funeral with lots of flowers and pictures of said "baby" so we can all mourn the loss of a loved one...:eek:




It doesn't matter if it's her body or not. Sure, it may be her body, but that doesn't make it any less his kid. Sure, girls got the anatomical shaft, and they are the ones that have to carry the baby. Sucks for them, but the fact remains that the kid inside is just as much the mans as it is the womans.

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?

You said you wore one everytime right? I know they aren't 100% but maybe she wants to leave b/c the kid isn't yours.

i don't believe in abortion either.

oooh boy, that's very interesting.

Just let her kill the thing.

You should be happy.

I'd be stoked if I got some chick pregnant and she wanted an abortion. Normally I think it'd be the other way around. Chick wants to have the baby, and the guy wants her to get an abortion.

Next thing you know you're explaining to the cops how she accidentally tripped and fell down the stairs three times. Who needs that headache.

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?


Unfortunately, if a girl decides to, then I think the guy is ****ed. BUT, it's not fair to the guy. Because that is just as much his kid as it is hers. When you have sex, even with protection, you know there's a risk of getting pregnant. When it does happen, you should face the consequences of your actions. You knew the possible outcome. I think it is terrible that some guys get their babies killed because some girl doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of a choice she made.

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?


Unfortunately, if a girl decides to, then I think the guy is ****ed. BUT, it's not fair to the guy. Because that is just as much his kid as it is hers. When you have sex, even with protection, you know there's a risk of getting pregnant. When it does happen, you should face the consequences of your actions. You knew the possible outcome. I think it is terrible that some guys get their babies killed because some girl doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of a choice she made.


:eek: (i just had to)

your first sentence sums it all up.

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

You said you wore one everytime right? I know they aren't 100% but maybe she wants to leave b/c the kid isn't yours.

i don't believe in abortion either.



That's the first thing I thought too. Unless she gave you other reasons for wanting to leave, you should consider it a possiblity. Did she decide to leave kind of out of the blue, or did it build up to this over time? Because if she got pregnant with someone else, of course she doesn't want to tell you that. Imagine the shame. Esp if she cares about you. The easiest thing for her is to take the pussy way out, end the relationship, and go have it killed off. Which is terrible. But then you would never know about her cheating if she pulled it off.

Did you propose marriage to her? Did you tell her you would work hard to earn money to support your new family?

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?


Unfortunately, if a girl decides to, then I think the guy is ****ed. BUT, it's not fair to the guy. Because that is just as much his kid as it is hers. When you have sex, even with protection, you know there's a risk of getting pregnant. When it does happen, you should face the consequences of your actions. You knew the possible outcome. I think it is terrible that some guys get their babies killed because some girl doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of a choice she made.


:eek: (i just had to)

your first sentence sums it all up.



I like how you underlined that even though it's obvious that it's a figure of speech. Ok, let's say it this way. If some girl doesn't have what it takes. If she has no conscience. If she has a complete disregard for human life, and the way the guy feels about his kid. If she isn't brave enough to own up to her mistakes.

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?


Unfortunately, if a girl decides to, then I think the guy is ****ed. BUT, it's not fair to the guy. Because that is just as much his kid as it is hers. When you have sex, even with protection, you know there's a risk of getting pregnant. When it does happen, you should face the consequences of your actions. You knew the possible outcome. I think it is terrible that some guys get their babies killed because some girl doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of a choice she made.


:eek: (i just had to)

your first sentence sums it all up.



I like how you underlined that even though it's obvious that it's a figure of speech. Ok, let's say it this way. If some girl doesn't have what it takes. If she has no conscience. If she has a complete disregard for human life, and the way the guy feels about his kid. If she isn't brave enough to own up to her mistakes.


i like how you completely missed what i said in the parenthesis. let the girls say that they have/don't have the balls to do ___________. next time just substitute 'balls' with 'courage'.

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: MrAWatts

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

what happens if the girl wants to go the a plan but the guy doesn't? who wins?


Unfortunately, if a girl decides to, then I think the guy is ****ed. BUT, it's not fair to the guy. Because that is just as much his kid as it is hers. When you have sex, even with protection, you know there's a risk of getting pregnant. When it does happen, you should face the consequences of your actions. You knew the possible outcome. I think it is terrible that some guys get their babies killed because some girl doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of a choice she made.


:eek: (i just had to)

your first sentence sums it all up.



I like how you underlined that even though it's obvious that it's a figure of speech. Ok, let's say it this way. If some girl doesn't have what it takes. If she has no conscience. If she has a complete disregard for human life, and the way the guy feels about his kid. If she isn't brave enough to own up to her mistakes.


i like how you completely missed what i said in the parenthesis. let the girls say that they have/don't have the balls to do ___________. next time just substitute 'balls' with 'courage'.




The point is, that you knew exactly what I meant, and you only added that to be a chodemaster.


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thereis a fathers right group. maybe they could help you . i don't know how to contact them , maybe others on here can help. good luck .

I just read the first few posts.

It dosnt sound like OP is crazy about having a kid. The girl obviously either. And one optionto consider is passing off the kid on to someone else, hopefully (there is a chance it wont get adopted).

Its a funny thing about people. There's a HUGE tendancy to make decisions based of "feelings" and "beliefs" instead of logically what is better for themselves and/or society (about these kinds ofissues).

No one is jumping up and down about having this kid, so it essentially would be a burden, regaurdless if you would rather take'em in than be aborted.

i'm thinkin she wanted to leave cause she got knocked up by the other guy....maybe her original plan was to leave rather than hurt you...but she loves you so shes looking for a way to stay with you and if you actually are willing to believe this kid is yours maybe she figures she'll run with that....dont forget bro....she was walking out the door before this happened

ORIGINAL: raubt

Just let her kill the thing.

You should be happy.

I'd be stoked if I got some chick pregnant and she wanted an abortion. Normally I think it'd be the other way around. Chick wants to have the baby, and the guy wants her to get an abortion.

Next thing you know you're explaining to the cops how she accidentally tripped and fell down the stairs three times. Who needs that headache.



thats fuking sig material.

funny thing is i tell my girl all the time if she gets pregnant she knows where to meet me. my mom asked where one time and she responded for me. i couldnt help but laugh

no, i know the kid is mine. she left, we were having some problems but it wasnt her seeing other people, trust me i know. And i WOULD rather step up to the plate and raise this child than have her just kill my kid.

ORIGINAL: anthros

no, i know the kid is mine. she left, we were having some problems but it wasnt her seeing other people, trust me i know. And i WOULD rather step up to the plate and raise this child than have her just kill my kid.



so you wrapped it everysingle time in those 2 weeks and somehow you got her preg. are you not telling us something like a condom broke? theres gotta be more to this story or you got super sperm. i doubt shed just leave like that without an outside influence. same thing happened to me, she was seeing other guys. i not trying to stir the pot but girls are the anti-christ.

ORIGINAL: anthros

no, i know the kid is mine. she left, we were having some problems but it wasnt her seeing other people, trust me i know. And i WOULD rather step up to the plate and raise this child than have her just kill my kid.
listen, i'm not being a dick but bro there is NO man alive who can say that...NOONE, not even fonzi himself, can say that his girl wouldnt cheat on him....ANY GIRL CAN BE HAD by the right set of words under the right set of circumstances...i get my share of p*ssy but i wouldnt pretend i'm the man because of it...naw...think of a girl as a combination lock, under the right conditions...any man can crack that lock...look at it this way...if you see a girl that you absolutely want...do you think you would fail to get her if you gave it your all...would you care if she was married? i think theres a hell of a lot more going on here than she would have you believe...just be flattered that for some reason shes going through all this to keep you in her life somehow

ORIGINAL: iraziel

I just read the first few posts.

It dosnt sound like OP is crazy about having a kid. The girl obviously either. And one optionto consider is passing off the kid on to someone else, hopefully (there is a chance it wont get adopted).

Its a funny thing about people. There's a HUGE tendancy to make decisions based of "feelings" and "beliefs" instead of logically what is better for themselves and/or society (about these kinds ofissues).

No one is jumping up and down about having this kid, so it essentially would be a burden, regaurdless if you would rather take'em in than be aborted.


There are families on waiting lists wanting to adopt a newborn baby. I'm sure if she had the child he/she would go to a good home. My brother was born in 1972 and was adopted. Our parents had to wait another 4 years to get me. Lucky for us our "biological" mothers had the courage to give birth to us and not throw us away. I also have 2 cousins that are adopted and my aunt and uncle had to wait several years.

Little blob of cells =/= kid. :eek:

I could see maybe 4 or 5 months down the road, but its been only a couple weeks, come on, its not a kid yet and you know it.

I wonder, if she is leaving him and plans to have an abortion, why did she tell him anyway?

lol it woulda beeen a perfect story. :D "Hey, remember when i was leaving? like 3 years ago? well i was kinda sorta pregnant" "what?? What happened to the baby??" "Well by the time i worked up the courage to tell you, it was being sucked intoa biological waste container."

:D

no offense, but I think your getting so defensive about "killing" the kid because you think it will keep her ass at home with you. Just my opinion though. GOOD LUCK!

How do you even know it's yours?

Are you sure she isn't playing games with you? Now that she's 500 miles away, there isn't much of a way for you to make her prove anything.

5 bucks its not his baby

ORIGINAL: NYstang

5 bucks its not his baby








No one is gonna take that bet.

no offense intended, but why the hell would she want to have a baby from a guy she just broke up with? birth is not exactly a cake walk.

ORIGINAL: NYstang

5 bucks its not his baby






I'm with you, $5 is not.

she was screwing someone else. CASE CLOSED.

anthros i'm really sorry to hear about your situation but i think it might be for the best if this child does not come to be. i kinda agree with klfutrelle. It seems very wierd for a women to leave her fiancee and during the week they are together for "the last time" you both get ur swerve on like rabbits (with protection i might add) and then all of a suddent she get knocked up. I would ask how long she is in her pregnancy and think back that amount of time to see "what you two where doing" at that time. also, you dont need to be with, or have ties with, a women that plays with you and your emotions like she is right now. just my opinion.

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

i'm thinkin she wanted to leave cause she got knocked up by the other guy....maybe her original plan was to leave rather than hurt you...but she loves you so shes looking for a way to stay with you and if you actually are willing to believe this kid is yours maybe she figures she'll run with that....dont forget bro....she was walking out the door before this happened


DING, DING, DING!! We have a winner!!!!! You've just won the million dollar question!!! Sorry bro but she got knocked up by some other dude and is trying to hide it by leaving and she wants to abort the baby because she screwed up and feels that if she gets rid of the kid then her problem will be gone too. Dump her and move on!!

I kind of agree with what some people are saying. If she is pregnant with your child, it would suck to have her make the decision to abort without you. But like a few have stated you have no way of being sure the kid is even yours. The best coarse of action for everybody involved would be for her to abort the pregnancy. Don't you think it's a little convenient that she's leaving for other reasons, and youhave protected sex with her, and all of the sudden she is pregnant and the kid is yours? Hella week isn't even usually long enough to know if you're pregnant or not,it could have been a missed period. If she is so damn positive she is pregnant you better find out for sure how far along she is.

She cheated on you, got preggo, made up a I'm leaving story. Now she wants $$ from you.

Ya.... i dunno what to think. iam definantly waiting for the child to come out to get a paternity test done, she decided not to get an aportion and is now talking about adoption. and no i dont want her back in my house, she showed me how loyal she was the first time she left, i just dont want her to kill our child.

Well before you have to wait tell her you want to go to her doctor with her and find out how far along she is. That might help clear up some issues. Not trying to sound like a dick, but giving up a child for adoption isn't as easy as you might think. After the child is born you might not want to give it away.

What about if she dosnt want to get married just yet?

Put a dent in her rear

After re-reading your OP, you said your fiance was unhappy before she left. Maybe that's what it is...she just isnt happy, and in a way breaking it off.

How long were you two together? You know when she gets her monthly? Those are some things that can help you find out if thats the real reason...

...have you guys had any issues recently ?

ORIGINAL: anthros

Well here's the deal, 3 weeks ago my fiance told me that she was unhappy and was leaving and moving 500 miles away back to her hometown to live with her parents. We continued living with each other for 1 week before she left. During that time we screwed like rabits, spent more money on rubber than i do on gas, and never once went swimming without my life jacket on. She called me today, said she just got back from the doctor and she's prego. She said that she thinks that she wants to get an abortion, call me old fassion, but i do not believe in abortion, its killing a kid before they have goten a chance to enter this world. I personally think that its ****ed up that she just wants to kill our kid. She's calling me tomorrow so we can talk about what she is going to do...... i Dunno what to do right now, iam so pissed.

cliff notes.

1. Fiance says she's leavin.
2. screw like rabits for a week before she does move.
3. she calls and says she's prego.
4. she wants to kill our kid.

And i swear if i hear one in the butt remark........



This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formalagreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.

But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.

Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.

I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended. Yea, I know it's a personal subject, and I find it reprehensible that it is socially acceptable to admit you don't mindkilling kids. And if you don't think it's killing, you just have not done the research, you're too arrogant to consider the topic honestly, or your too wrapped up in yourself to care about the truth anyway. I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.

Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth?Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or livinghuman. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.

Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, andthose who have dominion over the laws of our nation.

I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.

Infanticide FTL.[&o]

i do beleive you said everything that needed to be said firepower.

ORIGINAL: FirePower

ORIGINAL: anthros

Well here's the deal, 3 weeks ago my fiance told me that she was unhappy and was leaving and moving 500 miles away back to her hometown to live with her parents. We continued living with each other for 1 week before she left. During that time we screwed like rabits, spent more money on rubber than i do on gas, and never once went swimming without my life jacket on. She called me today, said she just got back from the doctor and she's prego. She said that she thinks that she wants to get an abortion, call me old fassion, but i do not believe in abortion, its killing a kid before they have goten a chance to enter this world. I personally think that its ****ed up that she just wants to kill our kid. She's calling me tomorrow so we can talk about what she is going to do...... i Dunno what to do right now, iam so pissed.

cliff notes.

1. Fiance says she's leavin.
2. screw like rabits for a week before she does move.
3. she calls and says she's prego.
4. she wants to kill our kid.

And i swear if i hear one in the butt remark........



This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formalagreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.

But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.

Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.

I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended. Yea, I know it's a personal subject, and I find it reprehensible that it is socially acceptable to admit you don't mindkilling kids. And if you don't think it's killing, you just have not done the research, you're too arrogant to consider the topic honestly, or your too wrapped up in yourself to care about the truth anyway. I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.

Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth?Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or livinghuman. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.

Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, andthose who have dominion over the laws of our nation.

I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.

Infanticide FTL.[&o]


if this were jerry springer (and with this motley crew it feels like it)i'd be screaming "go to oprah!! go to oprah!!"

maybe she was just afraid to have a child
it's a huge responsibility and if she wasn't ready to commit to a relationship, it's likely she wouldn't be ready to be tied down to a child that needs constant attention

alrighty.. so.. yeah.. first off, shes obviously chose against abortion so +1 for you.. idk where she/you live.. but most laws say that if the child is born and the mother wants to give it up but the dad doesnt, it will legally go to the dad.. courts want to keep babies with parents.. be it one or both parents.. thats why so many children are living with their abusing parents, bec courts still give them benifit of the doubt for some dumb reason..

ANYWAYS.. unless shes a dumb cnt and goes to the adoption ppl and says she doesnt know who the dad is, you will (or atleast should) be contacted bec you have to sign the adoption papers to turn over all parental right too.. thats the only reason i kept my daughter.. bec i wanted to give her up cuz i knew i wasnt adult enough to keep her at 16, but her daddy was like ill keep her!! and he was a fkin garbage and i didnt want her going to him so i kept her.. but uh.. yeah.. enought of my problems.. just lettin you know..

IF you are thinking about keeping it should she want to give it up, DO NOT SIGN the birth certificate until you get a DNA test(IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS). In some states, once you sign the birth certificate you are the daddy regardless of if it is really yours and a pain in the butt to get your name off...

Hell, even if shes thinking about keeping it, get the DNA test before you sign the BC. Cause you may end up paying child support for a kid that ain't yours.

goin through some similar stuff right now too man....but i know for a fact she was out whoreing around, so of course things weren't good between us, then she started coming around again, and then took off and haven't heard anything from her in about 4 months - then, her mom calls me up tellin me i should be more involved, etc....um, if she doesn't call me or return my calls, and i have no idea where she's even at now, how is that supposed to happen???

"girls are the antichrist" THAT IS GREAT lol...they used to have a segment on the radio called "proof women are inheritly evil" with stories sometimes similar to this one [8D]

she just said that she had a miscairage and would like me to pay for half of the medical checkup and bills, but doesnt want to provide me with a copy of the bill, something doesnt smell right, and when something doesnt smell right there is usually something rotten somewhere.......... iam bailing ship before its to late to get off.

ORIGINAL: FirePower


This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formalagreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.

People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.

But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.

But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.

This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.

Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.

Again more moral junk. I dont see howpeople canstill be against something like abortion.Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.

Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's livesthat i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barelymake it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.


I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended........... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.

Your negative adjectives....well thats just howYOUmay seeit personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.

Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth?Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or livinghuman. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.

Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.

Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, andthose who have dominion over the laws of our nation.

I dont see why you are preaching to anyone about whyyou believe it so wrong, as if your'e reaching out to them to not go through some heinous act. It is (and should remain)the people's choice to decide, it is thier lives that are affected by the decision to do it or not, NOT yours or anyone elses. It is those people who have to endure the hardships of taking on that responsibility if they so choose basedfrom their judgment, not whatyou think is right.

I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.

Infanticide FTL.[&o]

damn this is getting interesting, i wonder what will happen next, its like a real life soap opera

ORIGINAL: anthros

she just said that she had a miscairage and would like me to pay for half of the medical checkup and bills, but doesnt want to provide me with a copy of the bill, something doesnt smell right, and when something doesnt smell right there is usually something rotten somewhere.......... iam bailing ship before its to late to get off.


Screw that man, if she don't want to give you the bill don't pay. If she takes it to court though you are kinda screwed unless you think she was messing around on you. By the way it sounds I doubt shes going to do that though.

sooo you never went 'swimming without your life jacket' (funny as hell btw, i lik ehow thats worded) and she calls and says shes a pregger?

hope this doesnt offend you but are you sure she's never cheated on you? USUALLY when girls say they are leaving...they dont screw like rabbits for a week before they move out. perhaps she got pregger somewhere else...knows they wont pay for anything...screwd you relentlessly for a week and called yo uwanting to pay for an abortion for "your kid". has she ever been against abortion? if so then she may just want one because of the real father?

any possibility for such scenario? i dont know if you can do a pregger test while the kid is in her.


if that was a repost forgive me i didnt read the first 4 pages.

ORIGINAL: iraziel

ORIGINAL: FirePower


This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formalagreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.

People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.

Wrong, and this is the basis of my argument, that this person's plight is a perfect example of "why people should have to restrict themselves".

But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.

No kidding. Life is full of questions of morals, and these define who you are. Believe me parents that stay together and stay happy benefit the children. A lot.

But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.

This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.

I don't think you are paying attention to the story as it goes along at all...

Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.

Again more moral junk. I dont see howpeople canstill be against something like abortion.Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.

No, the answer is, don't have sex without long term commitment. Screwing lots of times when you a breaking up is a classic example of a mistake. There's nothing good that could come from it, as illustrated here.

Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's livesthat i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barelymake it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.

Oh, boo-hoo-hooo. Life is soooo hard. Did you consider my argument at all? Would you condone the killing of 1 year old children because you think the parents have been inconvenienced by life circumstances, the loss of a job, loss of spouse, etc?

I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended........... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.

Your negative adjectives....well thats just howYOUmay seeit personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.

Laws are made to protect peoples' individual rights. Some of these rights are "self-evident".Killing a child in the womb is impeding it's most basic human right - the right to live. While you might argue that this is MY view, I would argue that you are blinded to the greater issue and playing the devils advocate. And badly.

Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth?Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or livinghuman. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.

Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.

Wrong, which is why the laws are different from state to state, and in MANY states, it's perfectly legal to get an abortion into the 9th month. Third trimester, perfectly legal. Not that common, thank God, but totally irrelevant to my argument since I firmly believe that it doesn't matter WHEN you kill the fetus, again, because there IS no "line".

Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, andthose who have dominion over the laws of our nation.

I dont see why you are preaching to anyone about whyyou believe it so wrong, as if your'e reaching out to them to not go through some heinous act. It is (and should remain)the people's choice to decide, it is thier lives that are affected by the decision to do it or not, NOT yours or anyone elses. It is those people who have to endure the hardships of taking on that responsibility if they so choose basedfrom their judgment, not whatyou think is right.

It should NOT remain the choice of one person to kill another. Lots of laws are based on morals, I might argue ALL of them. Is this your whole argument? The right to murder your children, born or unborn,is not in the constitution, nor should it be.


I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.

Infanticide FTL.[&o]

ORIGINAL: urnamethere

damn this is getting interesting, i wonder what will happen next, its like a real life soap opera


true....but i dont wanna know what happens next because NOTHING should happen next....he should never even think about this tramp again...the end

but it would be entertaining if there was another twist it the story

you could just kill her? you could go pick her up and accidently wreck your mustangat like 130and just make sure you hit something that will take out the passenger. i think she went and boned some other dude and tried to stick you with it and then she drops a half baked loaf out of the oven and tries to stick you with the check thats crap. or you could rob her and burn her parents house down

[quote]ORIGINAL: FirePower

[quote]ORIGINAL: iraziel

[quote]ORIGINAL: FirePower


This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formalagreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.

People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.

Wrong, and this is the basis of my argument, that this person's plight is a perfect example of "why people should have to restrict themselves".

WHAT? His "plight"? its not even clear what situation is. Is she even really pregnate? Or just wanted to back out of the relationship? Instead of being restricted, people are offered precautions: condoms, the pill, plan b, abortion....all tools that can be used to prevent from having unwanted results.


But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.

No kidding. Life is full of questions of morals, and these define who you are. Believe me parents that stay together and stay happy benefit the children. A lot.

Yea, parents who stay together and happy might benifit the kids. But thats not the case here, he wants to keep it and she dosnt. The parents are NOT inthis together.


But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.

This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.

I don't think you are paying attention to the story as it goes along at all...

...:eek:


Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.

Again more moral junk. I dont see howpeople canstill be against something like abortion.Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.

No, the answer is, don't have sex without long term commitment. Screwing lots of times when you a breaking up is a classic example of a mistake. There's nothing good that could come from it, as illustrated here.

What i meant is"Dont have sex until you meet certain criteria", which in this case is until there is a long term commitment. But there shouldnt be pre-reqs, if you want to boneand the other is willing then thats all that should be needed.

NOTHINGGOOD fromCONSTANTSEX when breaking up?!? ......[&:]

Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's livesthat i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barelymake it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.

Oh, boo-hoo-hooo. Life is soooo hard. Did you consider my argument at all? Would you condone the killing of 1 year old children because you think the parents have been inconvenienced by life circumstances, the loss of a job, loss of spouse, etc?


Im not saying id condone it, but id understand.A 1yr old isnt the same as a fetus :eek:(says me)


I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended........... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.

Your negative adjectives....well thats just howYOUmay seeit personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.

Laws are made to protect peoples' individual rights. Some of these rights are "self-evident".Killing a child in the womb is impeding it's most basic human right - the right to live. While you might argue that this is MY view, I would argue that you are blinded to the greater issue and playing the devils advocate. And badly.

The "greater issue"? And what is this "greater issue" that you speak of? The valuable or invaluable human life? Well, while you look at individual value and rights, i will look at MY greater issue and base my opinion on how things like abortion affect everyone as a whole.

Weather someone is pregnate from an accident, rape, or if they decide to change thier mind because they arenot ready, or circumstances change, ect. There should be a "last resort" option, just in case. Rather that someone would have a choice than to have a child that they were not willing to have and/ or unprepared for.

But hey, while they are struggling in some "boo-hoo-hooo" life, some ofthose same people could just waltz on down to the government offices and pick up a check to help themselves out. ;)

Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth?Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or livinghuman. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.

Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.

[b][color=#990000]Wrong, which is why the laws are different from state to state, and in MANY states, it's perfectly legal to get an abortion into

ORIGINAL: joe_5.0

you could just kill her? you could go pick her up and accidently wreck your mustangat like 130and just make sure you hit something that will take out the passenger. i think she went and boned some other dude and tried to stick you with it and then she drops a half baked loaf out of the oven and tries to stick you with the check thats crap. or you could rob her and burn her parents house down


Whoa buddy, easy there.

Killing your girlfriend is one thing, but wrecking your Mustang?

What's wrong with you?

yeah he should just burn the house down and rob/kill her

It is not wise to completely trust anyone in your life least of all women. Sounds to me like she was with someone else and ended up not using protection with them. She broke off the engagement with you and had sex with you for a week to use that as an excuse to bill you (not her new friend) for the situation he most likely caused. She then left and got an abortion and now wants you to pay for it.

I might be wrong but that is what it looks like.

Around 15 years ago I was in a similar situation. I was 23ish and in the process of my first real relationship (with someone for 4 years) breaking up. She thought one of her new boyfriends had gotten her knocked up and she knew I had more money then he did so she had sex with me with no protection for a few weeks and then asked for cash to deal with it. I refused. The relationship ended and she harrassed me for about a year. I was depressed, miserible, and in retrospec I blame myself for not handling the entire situation more maturely. You see, I kept tryign to ge tback together with her.

You have an advantage here, you know enough not to try to get back with her, you should walk away from this, don't look back, get on with your life. I am sure you are young enough to meet someone decent and start a family with them.

Good luck!