she just said that she had a miscairage and would like me to pay for half of the medical checkup and bills, but doesnt want to provide me with a copy of the bill, something doesnt smell right, and when something doesnt smell right there is usually something rotten somewhere.......... iam bailing ship before its to late to get off.
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oh yeah, and 28 lbs of boost is just f*cking insane - theres your problem
This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formal agreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.
People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.
But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.
But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.
This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.
Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.
Again more moral junk. I dont see how people can still be against something like abortion. Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.
Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's lives that i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barely make it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.
I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended. .......... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.
Your negative adjectives....well thats just how YOU may see it personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.
Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth? Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or living human. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.
Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.
Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, and those who have dominion over the laws of our nation.
I dont see why you are preaching to anyone about why you believe it so wrong, as if your'e reaching out to them to not go through some heinous act. It is (and should remain) the people's choice to decide, it is thier lives that are affected by the decision to do it or not, NOT yours or anyone elses. It is those people who have to endure the hardships of taking on that responsibility if they so choose based from their judgment, not what you think is right.
I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.
she just said that she had a miscairage and would like me to pay for half of the medical checkup and bills, but doesnt want to provide me with a copy of the bill, something doesnt smell right, and when something doesnt smell right there is usually something rotten somewhere.......... iam bailing ship before its to late to get off.
Screw that man, if she don't want to give you the bill don't pay. If she takes it to court though you are kinda screwed unless you think she was messing around on you. By the way it sounds I doubt shes going to do that though.
sooo you never went 'swimming without your life jacket' (funny as hell btw, i lik ehow thats worded) and she calls and says shes a pregger?
hope this doesnt offend you but are you sure she's never cheated on you? USUALLY when girls say they are leaving...they dont screw like rabbits for a week before they move out. perhaps she got pregger somewhere else...knows they wont pay for anything...screwd you relentlessly for a week and called yo uwanting to pay for an abortion for "your kid". has she ever been against abortion? if so then she may just want one because of the real father?
any possibility for such scenario? i dont know if you can do a pregger test while the kid is in her.
if that was a repost forgive me i didnt read the first 4 pages.
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This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formal agreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.
People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.
Wrong, and this is the basis of my argument, that this person's plight is a perfect example of "why people should have to restrict themselves".
But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.
No kidding. Life is full of questions of morals, and these define who you are. Believe me parents that stay together and stay happy benefit the children. A lot.
But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.
This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.
I don't think you are paying attention to the story as it goes along at all...
Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.
Again more moral junk. I dont see how people can still be against something like abortion. Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.
No, the answer is, don't have sex without long term commitment. Screwing lots of times when you a breaking up is a classic example of a mistake. There's nothing good that could come from it, as illustrated here.
Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's lives that i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barely make it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.
Oh, boo-hoo-hooo. Life is soooo hard. Did you consider my argument at all? Would you condone the killing of 1 year old children because you think the parents have been inconvenienced by life circumstances, the loss of a job, loss of spouse, etc?
I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended. .......... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.
Your negative adjectives....well thats just how YOU may see it personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.
Laws are made to protect peoples' individual rights. Some of these rights are "self-evident". Killing a child in the womb is impeding it's most basic human right - the right to live. While you might argue that this is MY view, I would argue that you are blinded to the greater issue and playing the devils advocate. And badly.
Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth? Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or living human. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.
Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.
Wrong, which is why the laws are different from state to state, and in MANY states, it's perfectly legal to get an abortion into the 9th month. Third trimester, perfectly legal. Not that common, thank God, but totally irrelevant to my argument since I firmly believe that it doesn't matter WHEN you kill the fetus, again, because there IS no "line".
Incidentally my (hopefully obvious) rage about this topic is, honestly, NOT directed toward people who have already HAD the procedure. IMO they are victims of a war greater then themselves. I would not want to make them feel bad, guilt or even punishment for those actions is not what I am after. I'm preaching instead to those on the fence, those who think they WOULD in the future commit such an act, those that publicly suggest it's moral, and those who have dominion over the laws of our nation.
I dont see why you are preaching to anyone about why you believe it so wrong, as if your'e reaching out to them to not go through some heinous act. It is (and should remain) the people's choice to decide, it is thier lives that are affected by the decision to do it or not, NOT yours or anyone elses. It is those people who have to endure the hardships of taking on that responsibility if they so choose based from their judgment, not what you think is right.
It should NOT remain the choice of one person to kill another. Lots of laws are based on morals, I might argue ALL of them. Is this your whole argument? The right to murder your children, born or unborn, is not in the constitution, nor should it be.
I'd just like to see less than 1.3 million abortions performed in the US every year. God, forgive us.
you could just kill her? you could go pick her up and accidently wreck your mustang at like 130 and just make sure you hit something that will take out the passenger. i think she went and boned some other dude and tried to stick you with it and then she drops a half baked loaf out of the oven and tries to stick you with the check thats crap. or you could rob her and burn her parents house down
This is the reason that people should not have sex before marriage. Cause marriage is a formal agreement that you are going to (essentially) agree to be good parents, among other things. If you (or both) were NOT ready to be good parents, essentially, you're not ready to be having sex cause kids are often the by-product of sex.
People will be people. As humans, we all have needs and natural desires, there's no reason why people should have to restrict themselves from fullfilling them.
Wrong, and this is the basis of my argument, that this person's plight is a perfect example of "why people should have to restrict themselves".
WHAT? His "plight"? its not even clear what situation is. Is she even really pregnate? Or just wanted to back out of the relationship? Instead of being restricted, people are offered precautions: condoms, the pill, plan b, abortion....all tools that can be used to prevent from having unwanted results.
But what is a "good parent"? Sounds like a question of morals.
No kidding. Life is full of questions of morals, and these define who you are. Believe me parents that stay together and stay happy benefit the children. A lot.
Yea, parents who stay together and happy might benifit the kids. But thats not the case here, he wants to keep it and she dosnt. The parents are NOT in this together.
But hey, I know this idea doesn't always fly cause people are naturally really horny and there are so many hot, but totally crazy, people out there, so you get yourself understandably hooked up with some hot chick who you don't really love (or she doesn't love you) and the consequences are... unwanted child.
This statement may be true in some cases but not all. I dont see this pertaining to OP, he's engaged to his woman, they love eachother. It just sounds like your pushing out your views on to others.
I don't think you are paying attention to the story as it goes along at all...
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Sad story, but I seriously give you kudos for opposing abortion since it's appalling, crude, disgusting, murderous, selfish, and abhorrent practice which should never have been made legal in this country with the exception of extenuating circumstances. Since 99% of all abortions are just retroactive birth control, there's just no excuse for it.
Again more moral junk. I dont see how people can still be against something like abortion. Because instead, the answer is, "Dont have sex." WTF? do people think that they're just going to stop having sex? Thats pretty unrealistic. And when people do get accidentally pregnate, there should be some sort of alternative.
No, the answer is, don't have sex without long term commitment. Screwing lots of times when you a breaking up is a classic example of a mistake. There's nothing good that could come from it, as illustrated here.
What i meant is "Dont have sex until you meet certain criteria", which in this case is until there is a long term commitment. But there shouldnt be pre-reqs, if you want to bone and the other is willing then thats all that should be needed.
NOTHING GOOD from CONSTANT SEX when breaking up?!? ......
Having a kid is a huge weight. Most people's lives that i know have come to a stop because of a child, and ALL they can do is concentrate on the kid. And have NO time for anything else; family, friends, even significant others, because now a days both parents need to work in order to barely make it. Which im sure there are "success" stories, its obvoiusly not the same for everyone...otherwise, im sure poverty wouldnt be as it is now.
Oh, boo-hoo-hooo. Life is soooo hard. Did you consider my argument at all? Would you condone the killing of 1 year old children because you think the parents have been inconvenienced by life circumstances, the loss of a job, loss of spouse, etc?
Im not saying id condone it, but id understand. A 1yr old isnt the same as a fetus (says me)
I hope my list of negative adjectives really riles someone up so we can clearly separate the men from the boys (so to speak) based on those that get offended. .......... I'll gladly go into more detail about WHY it's not morally acceptable IMO but I'm pretty certain that most people who would argue have no conscience to speak of and will not listen to me anyway.
Your negative adjectives....well thats just how YOU may see it personally. I dont see why you would want to argue morallity, since it'll be yours that will be argued against. Thats like trying to re-write a book someone has written.
Laws are made to protect peoples' individual rights. Some of these rights are "self-evident". Killing a child in the womb is impeding it's most basic human right - the right to live. While you might argue that this is MY view, I would argue that you are blinded to the greater issue and playing the devils advocate. And badly.
The "greater issue"? And what is this "greater issue" that you speak of? The valuable or invaluable human life? Well, while you look at individual value and rights, i will look at MY greater issue and base my opinion on how things like abortion affect everyone as a whole.
Weather someone is pregnate from an accident, rape, or if they decide to change thier mind because they are not ready, or circumstances change, ect. There should be a "last resort" option, just in case. Rather that someone would have a choice than to have a child that they were not willing to have and/ or unprepared for.
But hey, while they are struggling in some "boo-hoo-hooo" life, some of those same people could just waltz on down to the government offices and pick up a check to help themselves out.
Just to illustrate my position, let me ask you a question. Does life really start at birth? Why not allow infanticide at 1 year old? All the same abortion arguments might apply. A one year old cannot walk, talk, singe, dance, hunt, barely freakin eats. So, why do they need protection under the law??? Because they are human children, you blind fool! Children in the womb are biologically no different than children outside the womb. There is NO DISTINGUISHABLE line, whether moral or scientific, to determine WHEN a fetus becomes viable or living human. Therefore, they should be afforded the same rights as any child outside the womb. To suggest otherwise is ignorant and evil whether you realize it or not.
Im sure there is some sort of "line", otherwise no one would be allowed to get abortions, thats why there's a cut off point when you can/cant get one, but thats just personal perspective.
Wrong, which is why the laws are different from state to state, and in MANY states, it's perfectly legal to get an abortion into
you could just kill her? you could go pick her up and accidently wreck your mustang at like 130 and just make sure you hit something that will take out the passenger. i think she went and boned some other dude and tried to stick you with it and then she drops a half baked loaf out of the oven and tries to stick you with the check thats crap. or you could rob her and burn her parents house down
Whoa buddy, easy there.
Killing your girlfriend is one thing, but wrecking your Mustang?
It is not wise to completely trust anyone in your life least of all women. Sounds to me like she was with someone else and ended up not using protection with them. She broke off the engagement with you and had sex with you for a week to use that as an excuse to bill you (not her new friend) for the situation he most likely caused. She then left and got an abortion and now wants you to pay for it.
I might be wrong but that is what it looks like.
Around 15 years ago I was in a similar situation. I was 23ish and in the process of my first real relationship (with someone for 4 years) breaking up. She thought one of her new boyfriends had gotten her knocked up and she knew I had more money then he did so she had sex with me with no protection for a few weeks and then asked for cash to deal with it. I refused. The relationship ended and she harrassed me for about a year. I was depressed, miserible, and in retrospec I blame myself for not handling the entire situation more maturely. You see, I kept tryign to ge tback together with her.
You have an advantage here, you know enough not to try to get back with her, you should walk away from this, don't look back, get on with your life. I am sure you are young enough to meet someone decent and start a family with them.
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