Nuclear power is the way to go for sure. However then you get the dumsh!ts who point to a picture like this and say "but look at all that pollution!"
because water vapor is definitely detrimental to the enviornment
That's not water vapor you idiot. Anyone who knows nothing about 'nucular' power plants knows that is pollution. 100% pollution. It's bad for the sky, everyone living around, and eventually it all falls back down onto the ground, seeps into the water supply, and creates genetic disorders in generations to come.
Plus, look at all the farm land that was ruined by building that plant, and I won't even get started on how many trees were probably cut down to make room for it.
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get started. no point in brining it up only to backpedal and sandbag the whole thing.
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I don't think its all the "eco freaks fault" that their have been no new refineries. For examply, Michigan had 21 refineries mostly owned by the mom and pop type companies. Through out the 90's big oil moved in and shut down all of them except 1(one) refinery. If the problem was not enough refineries why did the big oil companies shut down 20 WORKING refineries?
I think the big oil execs know exactly what they are doing, and have done. Decrease supply when demand is increasing, ta da, HIGH GAS PRICES.
Decrease supply when demand is increasing, ta da, HIGH GAS PRICES.
It's worse than that though.
They can 'create' demand and create whatever price they want.
I think that is part of what QatarStang is saying. Production/Supply could be way up, and demand way down, but there is nothing keeping prices from dropping as they shoudl in such instance.
In simpler terms. If you are charging 2 dollars for lemondade, but nobody is buying it, and you have a lot left over. You'd sell it for less to cut losses..
in oil.. no matter HOW MUCH demand, there is still demand, and nothing keeping the prices sane
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ORIGINAL: QatarStang Tokin - we have several trillion in each of one of the thousands of wells
I don't know the exact numbers, but even accounting for the exponential demand of oil/LNG (don't know about coal - not my area), there will still be plenty
several trillion in each of thousands¿ no, sorry, that is horribly wrong.
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23-01-04 How much oil do we have left? According to the United States Geological Survey's (USGS) latest report, published in 2000, the planet had 3 tn barrels of oil and gas before we started using it up. It calculates we have used some 700 bn, leaving 2.3 tn barrels underground. A simple calculation using data from the Centre for Global Energy Studies (CGES) shows that with 28.8 bn barrels currently being used a year (79 mm a day), there is some 80 years of supply left in the ground. However, the 2.3 bn barrels left includes 1.4 bn which, according to USGS analysis of global geology, exist but have yet to be discovered.
( http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex40615.htm ) naturally, the data was collected in 2000, and oil detection technology has increased since then, but with them estimating there to have been, before humans started tapping it, roughly only 3 trillion barrels to start with. so to say, even in jest, that there are trillions of barrels available in thousands of locations across the globe is wrong on a ludicrous level.
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That's not water vapor you idiot. Anyone who knows nothing about 'nucular' power plants knows that is pollution. 100% pollution. It's bad for the sky, everyone living around, and eventually it all falls back down onto the ground, seeps into the water supply, and creates genetic disorders in generations to come.
Plus, look at all the farm land that was ruined by building that plant, and I won't even get started on how many trees were probably cut down to make room for it.
I hope you're either kidding, or you got your info from some poorly written Greenpeace website written by highschoolers.
That's steam coming out of the cooling tower. Water gets pumped to a condenser to cool the condensate, and that cool water boils to form the steam you see.
A nuclear power plant also doubles as a "fluffy cloud factory"!!!
As for the trees, I see plenty of them around the plant. The surface area taken up by the plant is negligible compared to the trees around it.
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That's not water vapor you idiot. Anyone who knows nothing about 'nucular' power plants knows that is pollution. 100% pollution. It's bad for the sky, everyone living around, and eventually it all falls back down onto the ground, seeps into the water supply, and creates genetic disorders in generations to come.
Plus, look at all the farm land that was ruined by building that plant, and I won't even get started on how many trees were probably cut down to make room for it.
I hope you're either kidding, or you got your info from some poorly written Greenpeace website written by highschoolers.
That's steam coming out of the cooling tower. Water gets pumped to a condenser to cool the condensate, and that cool water boils to form the steam you see.
A nuclear power plant also doubles as a "fluffy cloud factory"!!!
That's not water vapor you idiot. Anyone who knows nothing about 'nucular' power plants knows that is pollution. 100% pollution. It's bad for the sky, everyone living around, and eventually it all falls back down onto the ground, seeps into the water supply, and creates genetic disorders in generations to come.
Plus, look at all the farm land that was ruined by building that plant, and I won't even get started on how many trees were probably cut down to make room for it.
LOL.. I was waiting for someone to FAIL
Get it?
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Yea, I knew water was the big byproduct of nuclear power plants. Even though, I have NO idea how they work. lol..nor do I care to go too in depth into it.
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ORIGINAL: QatarStang Tokin - we have several trillion in each of one of the thousands of wells
I don't know the exact numbers, but even accounting for the exponential demand of oil/LNG (don't know about coal - not my area), there will still be plenty
several trillion in each of thousands¿ no, sorry, that is horribly wrong.
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23-01-04 How much oil do we have left? According to the United States Geological Survey's (USGS) latest report, published in 2000, the planet had 3 tn barrels of oil and gas before we started using it up. It calculates we have used some 700 bn, leaving 2.3 tn barrels underground. A simple calculation using data from the Centre for Global Energy Studies (CGES) shows that with 28.8 bn barrels currently being used a year (79 mm a day), there is some 80 years of supply left in the ground. However, the 2.3 bn barrels left includes 1.4 bn which, according to USGS analysis of global geology, exist but have yet to be discovered.
( http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/features/fex40615.htm ) naturally, the data was collected in 2000, and oil detection technology has increased since then, but with them estimating there to have been, before humans started tapping it, roughly only 3 trillion barrels to start with. so to say, even in jest, that there are trillions of barrels available in thousands of locations across the globe is wrong on a ludicrous level.
Um, this is where your facts are wrong due to the sources you cited to gather them.
The USGS is not responsible for petroleum products, MMS is. USGS would also only look at land based, US only operations, not offshore, and not international. MMS, is still only federal, there are also many many other sources.
In 2006 alone the production levels were at 82,500,000 barrels per day. Worldwide.
Just according to your 3 trillion barrel availability until the panet dries up, we have enough oil to last 99 years if we continue to consume 83,000,000 barrels per day
Basically we would have used half of the world's supply of oil by now. If that is so then how come we keep finding more and more and more every single year?
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I've never really listened to what the media has to say. I'd rather find out the facts myself and form my own opinion on things instead of having someone else's opinion rammed into my brain.
a lot (if not the majority) of americans do not do that. they just watch the news and go 'OMG OMG OMG!', then change the channel to ESPN to get their mind off of it.
Of course I will. I just discovered that sticking grass in a woman's vagina is what gets them preggers, not sexual intercourse. We'll get into the UFO sightings during the human interest story segment and finish it off with the prediction of global cooling caused by everyone on Earth opening their freezers at the same time.
Um, this is where your facts are wrong due to the sources you cited to gather them.
then cite me numbers from better sources.
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The USGS is not responsible for petroleum products, MMS is. USGS would also only look at land based, US only operations, not offshore, and not international. MMS, is still only federal, there are also many many other sources.
then please, tell us what they quote for barrels of oil left in the ground. then we will have a more factual number to work with
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Just according to your 3 trillion barrel availability until the panet dries up, we have enough oil to last 99 years if we continue to consume 83,000,000 barrels per day
yup. only 99 years left. hopefully tho, we will start using many more renewable resources for energy, and our oil can last 300, 400, or even a thousand years instead of that 100.
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Basically we would have used half of the world's supply of oil by now. If that is so then how come we keep finding more and more and more every single year?
and how many more years of finding more do you think we have left¿ oil is a FINITE resource. that means it is not unlimited. is there a "shortage¿" for our generation, no. but will your grandchildren know what oil is¿
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