First of all, Thank you very much for your time and help! I apologize for the long post, but I need help.
Here's the scoop. My father in-law grew up racing boats, and cars. But, as time moved on, he stopped hot-rodding. It was always a goal of his to get another muscle car, but he never got around to it. Well, at 66 years old, he's been diagnosed with cancer for the third time, and this time we're afraid its going to be fatal. A couple of weeks ago, he saw an article in USA today about the new Bullitt Mustang. He remembered the old one so well. He wanted to hear a new one, and sit in one to see where they've come with the classic. So, we went down to the dealer and bought one the next day! He said with something like this, you just have to "hop it up!". Well, after asking me where the carbeurator was, I realized he was going to need some help with this ultimate street ride adventure. We talked about the good ole' days when more horsepower was easy on big cubic inch engines. I mentioned supercharging, as ford and roush offer warranty backed versions. But he told me about how many bad experiences his friends had with supercharging back in the day and that he felt it would be dangerous to the engine. So I researched what would be an acceptable N/A setup for this new Bullitt. We were hoping to get about 400hp at the crank, while retaining daily driver ability. What do you think? Is this possible with heads, a decent cam setup, longtube headers, and tuning? We live near Road Atlanta, and this Bullitt would see some weekend racing, but nothing serious, just some unofficial open track days. Might see the strip too, but that's not a huge deal for us.
Thank you very much for listening to all of that.
Honestly, what would be your suggestion? Can this be done N/A, or should I talk him into a supercharger kit?
As you might expect, given the situation, we would like to make this happen quickly. Would that change your suggestion?
What about the fact that the car is a Bullitt? We think Steve McQueen would be proud of a sleeper pro-touring type setup. But at the same time, don't want to devalue a classic. We were thinking that we'd have to keep all the Stock parts just in case for the classic sake. That being said, with the unique Bullitt plaque on the strut bar, the supercharger kit would need to allow to keep that.
Also, it's been since the 70's that my father in-law has driven a muscle car, much less a stick, so ease of drivability is key.
Sorry to here about your father's condition, but at least he seems to be keeping an positive outlook! In regards to you question about building up a n/a engine, it is something that I have been doing for a while now, and I have had some real fun doing it. That being said, I don't believe that it is the best option for you and your father in this case. First, I think that it is much more expensive than just going the FI route. Second, the time to install all of the components (Ported Heads, Cams, LT's, UDP's, etc. etc. etc.) will take far more time and effort than simply running a moderate FI setup. With the prevelance of options available for superchargers (Whipple, KB, Saleen, ATI, etc.) and the ability to purchase an installed unit with a warranty (i.e. Saleen and others) I think you would be better suited to talking you Dad into going that route. My reasoning is that with a warranty, this should eliminate some of the concerns that your father has about superchargers. Many of the modern FI kits are capable of supplying moderate boost levels to our engines with very little risk to the engine when properly tuned and maintained. Additionally, you can probably get the FI installed and running by a professional shop in under a week, tuned to your specifications, with little to no additional modification to your Dad's Bullitt, and be out enjoying 400+ rwhp ASAP. I don't have an answer for you on the strut bar, but you may be able to keep it with the Saleen or one of the Centri Kits.
Best of luck to you and your Dad!
~Matt
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I'm also sorry to hear it. I would honestly throw on a HO whipple or Kenne Bell supercharger. It would cost just as much money to get close to the numbers you want staying N/A. With a supercharger you could reach 400 crank hp with like 4 psi. I say get the Kenne Bell Intercooled 10 PSI kit that will put out over 550 crank hp. That would really make him smile! :D
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In this case a SC is the way to go, time considering. Your in atlanta , You have some good speed shops around you, and florida. Explain to him these are not the engines nor the Blowers of the past. You get 100-200 real horsepower from this setup and install time is 1-2 days and can even be backed up by a warranty. With undervive pullys CAI,HEADS,HEADERS, AND OTHER BELLS AND WHISTLES YOU ARE GONNA SPEND WAY MORE AND PROBABLY WISH YOU HAD FORCED INDUCTION. If you do get one get it intercooled. With the bullit you have 355 gears so you wouldnt have to change gears FI but otherwise you would probaby need to or want to. Good luck with your father in law and yalls bullet
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Hey,
Get the FRPP H.O kit and swap the 10ib pulley for the 8. That would give you about 400rwhp with the FRPP tune. I doubt you will have any problems with reliability with 8ibs of boost.
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Thank you! Anyone else have anything to add?
I'm certainly looking at the S/C options now. Probably FRPP 400 with an intercooler (can you get that seperate from the 500 kit?)
With the bullit you have 355 gears so you wouldnt have to change gears FI but otherwise you would probaby need to or want to. Good luck with your father in law and yalls bullet
The Bullit has 3.73 gears stock
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Sorry to hear about your father-in-law's cancer. It's good to see that he's upbeat and using this as an opportunity to grab life by the horns. I'd help him to understand that supercharging has come a long way since the 60s and 70s. I recommend that you guys buy the Whipple HO kit and an additional pulley for the boost you feel comfortable running. (Jared at lethal performance would be happy to help you guys decide on exactly what you need.) I'd also recommend that you guys self install he kit together. If you have a basic knowledge of tools and how they work, you can install this kit. The instructions are detailed and excellent. The experience of installing the kit together would be a great way for your father-in-law to enjoy his time with you while facing such a grave illness.
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ORIGINAL: jymontoya IMHO the supercharger shouldn't whine that much on a V8.
Then you don't want a supercharger. Trust me, all of the supercharger applications for the S197 GT make significant noise under boost. The roots blowers (magna, roush) make the most noise. Centris have a distinctive whistle (paxton, vortech, procharger). The procharger is especially loud. It sounds like a jet turbine under your hood. The twin screws (whipple, saleen, kenne bell) make a howling noise under full boost. If I had to choose which was the quietest, I'd probably pick the saleen, but it still makes a fair amount of noise under boost.
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Just from my own experience with the KB, I don't think they are loud at all, and if you do hear it, its only when you got your foot in it. The older model KB's on the 03-04's were loud but not the ones for the 05+. I have some vids, inside and out going down the track if you want a link. Which ever one you go with, just to save time, I would have a shop put it in unless you have 2 or 3 days to do the install. All of them will give you the power you are looking for with far less hassles. The Bullit already comes with quite a few mods done already so that will save you time in the long run. Good luck, sorry to hear about your in law.
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KB's are bone silent. I would get a Twin Screw for him. That would do him best. Building an N/A car cost $$ some one I know just got 423 or some thing like that N/A but its cost a fortune on mods and not to mention the amount of time labor would take.
He would love a Polished KB and get some Polished Valve Cover's. He probably has the same taste as my Dad and thats what my dad is about to pull the trigger on but a GT500 with a KB.
The KB is really not the loud and if you get him a nice set of Long Tube Headers to full exhaust I am sure he will be more then happy with that set up.
I am not sure though if the car will still be warrentied though with a KB you might want to think about a Whipple in that case. I would spring for the polished unit for him though :)
Paxton puts good #'s down and are "old school" to die hard Ford fans. Shelby ran em back in the day, and offers em now. They are using one on a 6ex and pushing 4 to the tire I believe. Centri's are an easy install and pull nice. Just a thought since the OP's car belongs to his Dad. Figured the "Paxton" name might make your Dads ears perk up!
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