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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 4:55:44 PM   
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uummm since when is dodge going to make a v6 challenger????...i know the charger comes in v6.....but i think the challenger will only be a v8......

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 4:58:04 PM   
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1st year all challengers will be hemi 8s with autos i believe....2nd prod year will include a v6, a de-tuned v8, and the addition of the manual trans

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 5:04:39 PM   
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great nows theres two cars i want in 2010....LOL>...the new stang and the challenger....need to start playing the lotto again

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 5:36:47 PM   
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I've read that 210 HP for the V6 is underratted any truth to that.



I know that I have heard and read on this forum a while back that actual output is closer to 220-225 net

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 6:35:14 PM   
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It doesn't really matter on how many litters, my 96 Mitsubishi 3000GT (N/A DOHC V6) is a 3 litter and puts down 222hp at the crank. It's all in the design of the engines. Ford really hasn't made a LOT of changes to their motors over the years, at least compared to the other companies that is.

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:04:53 PM   
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I've read that 210 HP for the V6 is underratted any truth to that.



I know that I have heard and read on this forum a while back that actual output is closer to 220-225 net


210 is at the crank....at the wheels its between 180 and 190....cai tune and sual will bring it to around 225 at  the crank and probably about 200-210 at the wheels...this is based ona 5 % to 10% loss from the crank to the wheels...

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:08:23 PM   
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uummm since when is dodge going to make a v6 challenger????...i know the charger comes in v6.....but i think the challenger will only be a v8......


According to their website, they are coming out with a V6 dubbed the Challenger SE.

Check the link below;

http://www.dodge.com/en/2009/challenger/performance/engine/

It had this to say about the SE's engine;

3.5 liter High-Output SOHC V6
A dual-tuned intake manifold utilizes a short runner valve, bringing you 250 horses at 6800 rpm and 250 lb-ft of torque at 3800 rpm. Partnered with a sophisticated electronic throttle control system that tailors the pedal-movement response based on operating conditions, plus platinum-tip spark plugs and the coil-on plug ignition system, you'll reap benefits like more consistent speed and reduced emissions. (standard on SE).





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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:09:19 PM   
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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:39:30 PM   
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I have checked out one of the first SRT8s and everything is amazing except the interior.  It's boring and looks exactly like the Charger.  Hopefully by the time they release other models such as the R/T and v6 next year they will fix that.


what about the open diff on the SRT8??? i dont get why you'd but an expensive high power car with an open diff.. ive seen pics of the car burning out with only one wheel spinning. hell even the base mustang GT has a posi rear...

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:44:25 PM   
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I've read that 210 HP for the V6 is underratted any truth to that.



I know that I have heard and read on this forum a while back that actual output is closer to 220-225 net


210 is at the crank....at the wheels its between 180 and 190....cai tune and sual will bring it to around 225 at  the crank and probably about 200-210 at the wheels...this is based ona 5 % to 10% loss from the crank to the wheels...


That's just for Manuals.
Autos suffer about 15% drivetrain loss.
Hense one of the reasons I bought a manual.

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 7:44:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: logicbombx

I've read that 210 HP for the V6 is underratted any truth to that.



I know that I have heard and read on this forum a while back that actual output is closer to 220-225 net


210 is at the crank....at the wheels its between 180 and 190....cai tune and sual will bring it to around 225 at  the crank and probably about 200-210 at the wheels...this is based ona 5 % to 10% loss from the crank to the wheels...


there supposed to be a general rule of 15% drivetrain loss (20% for autos) which would lead one to think that our cars are underrated. 15 % would give you more like 220-225.

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 4/30/2008 8:33:38 PM   
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 i thought the challenger was V8 only... sorry guys but if the price is right vanessa might have to go


















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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 4:45:19 AM   
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hehe  jk... but seriously


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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 5:23:02 AM   
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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 5:38:29 AM   
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Soon you will see this...




Haha nice

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 7:30:10 AM   
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itd be nice if the original pony car was in the middle...

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 9:08:35 AM   
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It had this to say about the SE's engine;

3.5 liter High-Output SOHC V6
A dual-tuned intake manifold utilizes a short runner valve, bringing you 250 horses at 6800 rpm and 250 lb-ft of torque at 3800 rpm. Partnered with a sophisticated electronic throttle control system that tailors the pedal-movement response based on operating conditions, plus platinum-tip spark plugs and the coil-on plug ignition system, you'll reap benefits like more consistent speed and reduced emissions. (standard on SE).



Thats a whole lot of RPM to reach the max HP.  Our 210 is at 5300 rpm.

For quickness I always consider torque to be more important then HP and the Challenger only has 10 more but weights 400+ pounds.

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RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 9:21:39 AM   
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Was it Shelby who said, HP sells cars, but torque wins races.  If I ever bought a Challenger, I would have to get the big ol 6.1.

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    RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 11:23:34 AM   
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    Was it Shelby who said, HP sells cars, but torque wins races.  If I ever bought a Challenger, I would have to get the big ol 6.1.


    Yep, he be the man!

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    RE: Mustang V6 vs. Challenger SE - 5/1/2008 11:27:55 AM   
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    Now all we need is for Pontiac to get off of their butts and remake the Firebird or the Trans-Am. It would be nice to see some more American Muscle taking back the streets! I'm so sick of Toyota's', Honda's', Accra's' etc. Years ago you hardly saw a foriegn car now you see 7 out of 10!

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