Would we win? United States or China. Today in history class I had a weird feeling we would go to war with china over oil. China is demanding more oil and the U.S gas prices are rising like no other. Please no flaming, just posts your thoughts. If we were ever to go to war with china, I think we would beat them pretty bad with our technology. They do have a way bigger army but their poorly trained and equipped.

we would give them a woopin because our army is far superior. our airforce is stacked. we have planes that you can barely see, submarines, you name it we got it.

we've fought 2 front wars before (i.e. japan and germany)... we might be able to pull it off again (i.e. iraq and china)


but we are weakened right now due to oil prices, suffering economy and the war in iraq...

iraq and china does not count a a 2 front war. we arnt at war with iraq, we are at war with terrorists that reside in iraq. iraq is such a small small small conflict that you shouldnt even include it in a war with china. if we did go to war we would have a draft, and we would have 2 million people in the army within a year. I mean in Vietnam we had a million men in country at once.

i hate to be the one to point this out but China's standing army is much larger than ours could probably ever be. they have like 4 times our population.

in an all-out war, we'd probably not win.

dub...when did you get a vette? and how are you affording it? wtf man..pics or gtfo

China has a billion people now. If we fight on their turf we lose. On our soil we win, simple as that.

and look where those 1 million men got us... we went in to spread democracy... came out with a bunch of pine boxes filled with boys.

the same thing is happening overseas... we pour in millions of dollars and hundreds of men, and I haven't heard of any successes...


quite frankly I think it's bull****.... God bless our soldiers, I have friends and family that fight and have fought... but this **** is getting out of hand.

with china it would probably result in a nuclear war and guess what? we are the leading producer of nuclear weapons. we just sit here and fire off missile after missile after missile at them. the could do the same but we can shoot down any missiles fired at our country.

also it does not matter the size of hte army.

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and look where those 1 million men got us... we went in to spread democracy... came out with a bunch of pine boxes filled with boys.

the same thing is happening overseas... we pour in millions of dollars and hundreds of men, and I haven't heard of any successes...


quite frankly I think it's bull****.... God bless our soldiers, I have friends and family that fight and have fought... but this **** is getting out of hand.



mistake in vietnam was that we faught the war completely wrong. we used a method called the body count where the theory was that we would kill the enemy faster than they could replenish their forces. turned out this was wrong because we killed more than 1 million nva and vietcong.

i also used that example to show how fast we can build up an army.

and btw be patient with the war on terror. you want success? no attacks since 9/11. might be harsh but better soldiers dying than civilians.

Gotta define victory. If by "win" you mean take millions and millions and millions of casualties and watch the country as we know it destroyed, while killing 300 million chinese... sure, we would win.

[&:]

this thread also fails

it depends as said what you mean by WAR..

if you're talking nuclear,,nobody wins, everyone dies

i really dont see either side invading the other,, it'd be a deathtrap for everyone, including the neighbor countries

ORIGINAL: Lord Ashram

Gotta define victory. If by "win" you mean take millions and millions and millions of casualties and watch the country as we know it destroyed, while killing 300 million chinese... sure, we would win.

[&:]



people die in war. If you go to war it should be total war. Tecumseh Sherman had the right idea when he marched to the sea. thats how the north beat the south and it is how we beat japan, it is how we beat germany, its just how its done

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

with china it would probably result in a nuclear war and guess what? we are the leading producer of nuclear weapons. we just sit here and fire off missile after missile after missile at them. the could do the same but we can shoot down any missiles fired at our country.

also it does not matter the size of hte army.




You don't think China can shoot down missiles? Don't ever underestimate a world power like China. No body f**ks with them for a reason. If it wasn't China loaning us money, we probably be getting our asses kicked in the war we are in. China has everything we have, most likely more. Their Army dwarfs ours and the have enough $$$ take take the fight to us in the air ground or sea. The US and China won't fight eachother though...do so will obliterate each country...Besides, we have enough problems on our hands as it is.

Total war is not what it was before nuclear weapons. We are a LONG long way from the minie ball. If you are in the services, you should know that. At no time in the history of mankind have we been able to basically destroy the world in 30-40 minutes. A massive nuclear exchange would do this. It would destroy our major cities, destroy our air, our water, our electronics. Satellites would fall from the sky, radioactive clouds would blanket the globe, and life AS WE KNOW IT would cease to exist.

So if THAT is what you are talking about, I see no winners. Only losers. Period.

We'd defeat China. Our military may be much smaller, but is vastly superior in capability and technology, as well as training and morale. Not to mention the fact our nuclear arsenel is vastly superior to their's, China barely has the capability to accurately strike the west coast of the US while we could take down their entire country in under 30 minutes. You also have to consider the economic implications, 60% or more of China's GNP comes from trade with the US. If war breaks out they would find their national income cut by more than half, and be unable to financially sustain a prolonged conflict. War is expensive.

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with china it would probably result in a nuclear war and guess what? we are the leading producer of nuclear weapons. we just sit here and fire off missile after missile after missile at them. the could do the same but we can shoot down any missiles fired at our country.

also it does not matter the size of hte army.




You don't think China can shoot down missiles? Don't ever underestimate a world power like China. No body f**ks with them for a reason. If it wasn't China loaning us money, we probably be getting our asses kicked in the war we are in. China has everything we have, most likely more. Their Army dwarfs ours and the have enough $$$ take take the fight to us in the air ground or sea. The US and China won't fight eachother though...do so will obliterate each country...Besides, we have enough problems on our hands as it is.


the US government is in debt to itself. china does not have as much money as people think. if you know anything about how economies work then you will understand..

GDP meausre how big a countries economy is... now in 2007, our GDP was 4.5 times the amount of chinas. our economy is 4.5 times larger than chinas and china has what 4 times as many people??? thats pretty pathetic. our economy is 3 times larger than any other country on the planet. Chinas army is nowhere near advanced as the United states. China does not have the anti missile program that the united states has because we are the only ones with it!

BTW, they have approx 20 CSS-4 (as we call them) with a yield of 4 MT and a range of 13,000 KM. That is enough range to hit us, and check out this interesting damage page;

Here (http://www.fas.org/programs/ssp/nukes/nuclear_weapon_effects/nuclearwpneffctcalc.html?formAction=297&contentId= 367)

And here is a page from FAS about their nuclear capabilities;

Here (http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/index.html)

China certainly is not on our level, military wise, in almost any department. However they have a LOT of men, and a certain dedication that western powers, with the whole "Life is sacred" background, have... check out the crazy Japanese in WWII. A war with China would be terrible, and as I already said, no winners when 40 million Americans lie dead and dying. Let's try to avoid it at all costs.

BTW, an excellent book; Red Storm Rising. Anyone who enjoys military stuff would LOVE it.

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with china it would probably result in a nuclear war and guess what? we are the leading producer of nuclear weapons. we just sit here and fire off missile after missile after missile at them. the could do the same but we can shoot down any missiles fired at our country.

also it does not matter the size of hte army.




You don't think China can shoot down missiles? Don't ever underestimate a world power like China. No body f**ks with them for a reason. If it wasn't China loaning us money, we probably be getting our asses kicked in the war we are in. China has everything we have, most likely more. Their Army dwarfs ours and the have enough $$$ take take the fight to us in the air ground or sea. The US and China won't fight eachother though...do so will obliterate each country...Besides, we have enough problems on our hands as it is.


the US government is in debt to itself. china does not have as much money as people think. if you know anything about how economies work then you will understand..

GDP meausre how big a countries economy is... now in 2007, our GDP was 4.5 times the amount of chinas. our economy is 4.5 times larger than chinas and china has what 4 times as many people??? thats pretty pathetic. our economy is 3 times larger than any other country on the planet. Chinas army is nowhere near advanced as the United states. China does not have the anti missile program that the united states has because we are the only ones with it!



Economy has nothing to do with population. It is pretty foolish for you to think that we know what other countries have. The truth is, WE DON'T KNOW. You say China is no where near as avanced as the US, thats the same attitude that has this countries economy struggling. America will have it's hands full in a war with China. Besides, if we attack them, North Korea will step in a nuke the **** out of us, because they have been wanting to for a while..


"the Russian-built S-300 PMU-2 air defense system will provide China with the power to challenge the United States for command of the airspace"

"The Russian air defense system, reckoned by military specialists to be more advanced than the U.S. Patriot missile system, has an intercept range of up to 120 miles, and according to the Pentagon's latest report on China's military capabilities it provides "increased lethality against tactical ballistic missiles and more effective electronic counter measures."




China is a very powerful threat to the US...Our military leaders know it, why don't you?

if we went to war with anyone i would sign up

threat might not be the right way to put it..

definately a power, but aside from N. Korea, and Iran, there arent many other 'military threats'

I think MAD is great.

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threat might not be the right way to put it..

definately a power, but aside from N. Korea, and Iran, there arent many other 'military threats'

I think MAD is great.





LOL

If provoked, China would be a huge threat...

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ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT

threat might not be the right way to put it..

definately a power, but aside from N. Korea, and Iran, there arent many other 'military threats'

I think MAD is great.





LOL

If provoked, China would be a huge threat...






agreed... but you think Iran is a military threat? HA in my eyes the only armies in the world today that would ever give the US a run is china, north korea, and england. but i love england almost as much as the US so we dont gotta worry about them. and thank god for it cause they got some ass kickers in that country

Um who gives a **** it wouldn't happen[&:]

The only current conflict going on right now that I think could cause a serious war is Israel going to war with palestain since there weapons come from russia. Then America would give involved and so would russia

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Total war is not what it was before nuclear weapons. We are a LONG long way from the minie ball. If you are in the services, you should know that. At no time in the history of mankind have we been able to basically destroy the world in 30-40 minutes. A massive nuclear exchange would do this. It would destroy our major cities, destroy our air, our water, our electronics. Satellites would fall from the sky, radioactive clouds would blanket the globe, and life AS WE KNOW IT would cease to exist.

So if THAT is what you are talking about, I see no winners. Only losers. Period.



That about sums it up. Plus, it would be a long shot to not have other countries joining the fray.

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Um who gives a **** it wouldn't happen[&:]

The only current conflict going on right now that I think could cause a serious war is Israel going to war with palestain since there weapons come from russia. Then America would give involved and so would russia


Russia is no threat at all. they are completely not unified and just because their weapons come from russia doesnt mean they are allies. vietnams weapons came from russia and russia never faught us. us and israel are allies and we would probably not get involved because israel can hold its own. (with us supplying them of course)

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with china it would probably result in a nuclear war and guess what? we are the leading producer of nuclear weapons. we just sit here and fire off missile after missile after missile at them. the could do the same but we can shoot down any missiles fired at our country.

also it does not matter the size of hte army.



you don't think they could just do the same? oh **** IN A i gotfor'ed, we're the USA. we always > everyone else!!111 [8D]

:eek:

yea pretty much

China would beat our a$$ into the ground. They see our ICBM's coming inbound, they are going to fire right back, we kill them, they kill us.

If we went into China, they would still kick our asses. Yeah we have the technology but they will beat us in shear numbers.

Read this: http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/slasheastasia_1.htm

Even other countries think we would get a beat down.

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ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT

threat might not be the right way to put it..

definately a power, but aside from N. Korea, and Iran, there arent many other 'military threats'

I think MAD is great.





LOL

If provoked, China would be a huge threat...






I'm not arguing they'd be a threat if provoked.

I meant that currently, China as a military power is not threatening. There are no reasons for either side to be aggressive.

N.Korea and Iran however are, as they are unstable and have fruit cakes with absolute power ruling them.

I didnt meant for it to sound like China raring its ugly head would not be threatening.

Some of those foreign powers, where the government-in-power is not vetted through a democratic process, are DEFINATELY scary. One madman who came to power through force can actually get demented in a way that a voted on government cannot. That is what scares me the most about some of those countries.

Numbers almost mean nothing today. Look at operation Iraqi Freedom. Nearly every military encoutner US forces had with Iraqi forces, the US forces were outnumbered, sometimes by as much as 10:1, yet they still won every single battle. Though we would most likely win any direct military confrontatio with China, the cost in blood and treasure would both be very high. In all liklihood China would prove to be as fierce an adversary as the Nazis were in WWII. We have fought China in the past, in the Korean War, and they proved to be capable fighters.

Iran would be another tricky one, just as Afghanistan or Pakistan would be or is Our troops are hardly trained in the enviroments/terrain that those countries posses. Yes by know they are well versed in the heat, but as for mountains and everything else they would get us. Just like Vietnam, they were able to do what they did because they knew their terrain, and knew how to use it to their advantage and against us.

They are using more oil because we are feeding their economy. As a business owner, I import most of my components and raw materials from there. The quality of some suppliers over there is absolutely fantastic. I still hear some horror stories from time to time but most of my dealings over there have been very positive. We cannot afford to fight them anymore because our cost structures are too dependent on them. I'm not saying it's right but it is an emerging economy so naturally their labor will be less than ours. I know that close to 50% of the population in China has cell phones. The SUV is by far the fastest growing segment of the automotive industry. The average Chinese wants a car so needs to be paid more. Prices are going up gradually and we will probably be playing on the same level in 20 years.

I think it would be stupid to think about a conflict with the Chinese. If there is one, the U.S will initiate it. The Chinese are not stupid and they realize that any conflict of that magnitude would result in anuclear war.
They will own our economies in a few decades anyway.

The value of the U.S currency is ridiculous now. As a Canadian business I quoted equipment in the past using the U.S dollar. I now only stick to Canadian currency because it's more stable vs the Euro. I try to sell locally or to European countries only. It's insane when you consider in 30 min away from the border.

I'm not sure how things are going to be like in 20 years but It's pretty scary. (unless some chinese company buys me out):D



ORIGINAL: Spaunen

Would we win? United States or China. Today in history class I had a weird feeling we would go to war with china over oil. China is demanding more oil and the U.S gas prices are rising like no other. Please no flaming, just posts your thoughts. If we were ever to go to war with china, I think we would beat them pretty bad with our technology. They do have a way bigger army but their poorly trained and equipped.

no one wants to buy fruity french canadian companys[8D]




This thread is retarded USA is the greatest and doesn't do anything wrong and can never loose there you go


Happy now?

Found it! In the "How do you rank up?" thread...

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harsh man, but i am an american soldier so stfu


So... is he a high school student, or an american soldier?

Whoops.

HS wanting to join the military....

Ah... that could have been made a bit clearer. You know... by not saying "I am an american soldier," but instead saying "I intend to volunteer." Oh well.

:eek:

I don't know who would win. It is easy to say that either side would win, but then again, we aren't neutral. We are biased. Even when we try to be neutral, we say that it would end nuclearly (total death), but I don't think either country is stupid enough to start a nuclear war, considering each bomb could potentially cause a chain reaction and wipe out the world. But what do any of us know?

It's not in the national interest for either the U.S. or China to go to war with each other. Both China's and the U.S.'s economies are dependent on one another.

China sells the U.S. billions of dollars of their products. Why would they want to kill one of their best customers? The Chinese turn around and invest those dollars here in the U.S. They have billions of dollars invested in U.S. treasury bills. If they're at war with us, how are they going to collect all that interest on their investment let alone get their principle back? Their economy would tank. Millions of Chinese would starve to death.

Why should we want to kill anybody in China? The billions of dollars they have invested here in the U.S. helps keep our economy going. If they stopped investing here in the U.S., you might have to wave good-bye to your good job, your plans to buy a new Mustang, and money to take out the honeys.

War is a lot of things. One of them is stupid.

Nobody wins. Everybody losses.

Peace.

their army is 300,000,000 strong...so if everyone in their army killed one person we would all be dead. no way we could win unless we secretly nuke them and i dont think you can hide a nuclear attack very well. they could blow us up with nukes too.

Wars are not won in numbers. You can't predict who will win, it is stupid to even try.

We talked about it in school. China could kill us if they wanted to. Their military is HUGE. Too much of an economic problem though.

We'd win...

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the same thing is happening overseas... we pour in millions of dollars and hundreds of men, and I haven't heard of any successes...



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Economy has nothing to do with population. It is pretty foolish for you to think that we know what other countries have. The truth is, WE DON'T KNOW. You say China is no where near as avanced as the US, thats the same attitude that has this countries economy struggling. America will have it's hands full in a war with China. Besides, if we attack them, North Korea will step in a nuke the **** out of us, because they have been wanting to for a while..


"the Russian-built S-300 PMU-2 air defense system will provide China with the power to challenge the United States for command of the airspace"

"The Russian air defense system, reckoned by military specialists to be more advanced than the U.S. Patriot missile system, has an intercept range of up to 120 miles, and according to the Pentagon's latest report on China's military capabilities it provides "increased lethality against tactical ballistic missiles and more effective electronic counter measures."




China is a very powerful threat to the US...Our military leaders know it, why don't you?



Yes, they are a threat due to numbers. But.....you forget so quickly that people ranted and raved about the Iraqi forces, their numbers, their Russian equipment....yada, yada. We pulled off the most serious ass kicking the world has ever seen against them......TWICE. In an air or naval war we would own the Chinese. With nukes, the question is do they actually have the means to reach us with a limited number of missiles and do we lack the means to stop them? A ground war......we don't have the numbers and would be forced to go nuke......but......do you really think we are going to go to war with China on the ground again?? I would think we learned the lesson on that one in the 50s [8D]

I would say that there would not be a clear winner either way. Both countries would end up destroyed.

Who knows......we didn't used to have Patriot batteries.....or satellite killing missiles. It would be interesting to see what has been developed to combat ballistic missiles that we know nothing about.

O, here we go...

I agree w/ everyone else that there is no current threat between the US and China do to all the investments both party’s have.

However, I do believe it would be a poor man war over oil. I don’t believe neither side would invade and being that both parties have enough nukes to blow the world up once (since that’s all you need) the war would never end in till one side just could not afford it anymore. Kind of how I believe the BS war in Iraq is going to end.

O and bragging about how fast we destroyed the Iraq army is like bragging about how badly you kicked a 10 year old ass…

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i hate to be the one to point this out but China's standing army is much larger than ours could probably ever be. they have like 4 times our population.

in an all-out war, we'd probably not win.




Didn't read the whole thread yet so sorry if posted.

In an all out war, we could just nuke them. It'd piss people off but as far as superiorness and strength, we have them beat.

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ORIGINAL: AmericanMuscle4.6GT

i hate to be the one to point this out but China's standing army is much larger than ours could probably ever be. they have like 4 times our population.

in an all-out war, we'd probably not win.




Didn't read the whole thread yet so sorry if posted.

In an all out war, we could just nuke them. It'd piss people off but as far as superiorness and strength, we have them beat.



...you guys do know that when you use bombs like those, the crap carried by the air currents, could spread all kinds of nastiness. Which is another reason why no one is button crazy...?

if we went to war anytime in the next decade with china...we would lose....as is our brothersare sitting in the desert making do with the garbage this government gives them to fight this war with....it will take at least a decade after this war endsto get morale and equipment up to a level where we can give china a contest...sad fact

ORIGINAL: Spaunen

Would we win? United States or China. Today in history class I had a weird feeling we would go to war with china over oil. China is demanding more oil and the U.S gas prices are rising like no other. Please no flaming, just posts your thoughts. If we were ever to go to war with china, I think we would beat them pretty bad with our technology. They do have a way bigger army but their poorly trained and equipped.



In 10 hours from now , the US cold launch a nuclear strike on 30 of China's largest cites and nuke the coast. If the US wanted to; China and any other nation including North Korea could be a fire ball in only 10 hours form the command code and launch. Dont be so nieve, after WW2 over 130K nukes where requested by the US Gov. thats documented at 130,000

while they may have man power , we have technology power and better bigger Air Force to bomb them with before any troop could set foot on our shore.

Unfornutaly however if we are on the defense and not offense while in Iraq...[:@] we are ****ed.

ORIGINAL: johnnyv8

O, here we go...

I agree w/ everyone else that there is no current threat between the US and China do to all the investments both party’s have.

However, I do believe it would be a poor man war over oil. I don’t believe neither side would invade and being that both parties have enough nukes to blow the world up once (since that’s all you need) the war would never end in till one side just could not afford it anymore. Kind of how I believe the BS war in Iraq is going to end.

O and bragging about how fast we destroyed the Iraq army is like bragging about how badly you kicked a 10 year old ass…



Well it depends. Did you call him a fag afterwards?

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ORIGINAL: johnnyv8

O, here we go...

I agree w/ everyone else that there is no current threat between the US and China do to all the investments both party’s have.

However, I do believe it would be a poor man war over oil. I don’t believe neither side would invade and being that both parties have enough nukes to blow the world up once (since that’s all you need) the war would never end in till one side just could not afford it anymore. Kind of how I believe the BS war in Iraq is going to end.

O and bragging about how fast we destroyed the Iraq army is like bragging about how badly you kicked a 10 year old ass…



Well it depends. Did you call him a fag afterwards?


LOL...O, why do i find that funny

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ORIGINAL: MrRogers

Economy has nothing to do with population. It is pretty foolish for you to think that we know what other countries have. The truth is, WE DON'T KNOW. You say China is no where near as avanced as the US, thats the same attitude that has this countries economy struggling. America will have it's hands full in a war with China. Besides, if we attack them, North Korea will step in a nuke the **** out of us, because they have been wanting to for a while..


"the Russian-built S-300 PMU-2 air defense system will provide China with the power to challenge the United States for command of the airspace"

"The Russian air defense system, reckoned by military specialists to be more advanced than the U.S. Patriot missile system, has an intercept range of up to 120 miles, and according to the Pentagon's latest report on China's military capabilities it provides "increased lethality against tactical ballistic missiles and more effective electronic counter measures."




China is a very powerful threat to the US...Our military leaders know it, why don't you?



Yes, they are a threat due to numbers. But.....you forget so quickly that people ranted and raved about the Iraqi forces, their numbers, their Russian equipment....yada, yada. We pulled off the most serious ass kicking the world has ever seen against them......TWICE. In an air or naval war we would own the Chinese. With nukes, the question is do they actually have the means to reach us with a limited number of missiles and do we lack the means to stop them? A ground war......we don't have the numbers and would be forced to go nuke......but......do you really think we are going to go to war with China on the ground again?? I would think we learned the lesson on that one in the 50s [8D]


China is not Iraq..

They are not even in the same league. I find it funny how people think they know what other countries are capable of. China has nuclear power too. They just go about it a little more quietly than other countries.

I don't think we are ever going have awar with China...

But they are the real deal

Simply put, China has the largest Ground Force in the world. The US has the largest Air Force and Fleet in the World. Unless it resulted to Nuclear war, both countries would be destroyed. However, USAF would smash their AF and their Fleet like nothing. The F-22 and F/A 18 Hornet are the most technologically advanced figher jets in the world. They don't have an Air Force to Compare. We have bigger and badder battleships and cruisers.

IMO, war with China should be avoided at all costs, simply because there will be many a loss for both sides, possibly the rest of the world as well.... just my.02

WOW, so much misinformation here...
our tech is 100x's what they have = we win
our A/F has more planes and infintely better pilots that they do = we win
we have more bomb and they need a good Demil =we should use in Iraq
the russians do not have anything that cn detect most of our aircrat and defnately not our stealth aircraft....IE Russin S-300 PMU2 that Israel took out to get into Syria and destroy their Nuke Plant....Syria didnt even know the US and Israel was there= FTL Misinformation
Patriot is old as dirt and still more advanced than any rooksie/ chink airdefense= we kill them still
we have other things to shoot their missiles down :)
Noth Korea nuked the Pacific Ocean, not a big feat if you ask me :eek:
China is more of an economic threat than a military threat..while that threat is there it is very minimal and as long as we're not in a bullet battle with china were fine.

Despite what some people think the world does rvolve around the US, when our economy dropped so quickly look what happend...the Jap market dove an ungodly amount, the Euro market did the same thing...you do the math

1 other point on China's A/F their Chengdu j10 fighter has the engine from the MiG-29 which was the only competitor for the F-18 in the world, they bought the engine from russia for X billions and reverse engineered it. our F22 is better faster, and almost liek a stealth jet, not to mention the pilot makes the plane...guess who has better pilots.

Let me inject a little truth serum here.

China would be MUCH less of a threat were it not for Bill Clinton authorizing the sale of advanced computers and technology to the Chicoms. That one action advanced their militarycapabilities 30+ years.Mainly in the area of missles and satellites. They were in the stoneage up until then and no real military threat. Now, they can splash our satellites and hit the mainland. Thanks Bill!

We stillhave force multipliers, (read starwars and related technologies) that can handle the human waves but like the old Chicom saying goes, quantity has a quality all its own.

If we do go toe to toe with China I believe it will be over something like Taiwan and not oil. But that being said, we did go to war with Japan over oil and other raw materialsso.....

meh, the only thing that scares me about china is my 240b rate of fire is only 650 rpm....kinda slow:D

An old man I work with is a Marine who was in on the Inchon Landing during the Korean War and was one of the Frozen Chosin (sp?). He told me about the human wave attacks that theChicoms used so often.They commanded their troops with trumpets and whistles.

He said that in the morning, after a night filled with human wave, after human wave attacks that there would be "hundreds and hundreds of bodies, many still living, in front of the.30 & .50 caliber positions". He further stated that "A fella could walk from our position,down into the valley and up to the facing hill standing on dead chicoms and never touch the ground".

^ yep, the Iranians use the same tatics

ORIGINAL: Grabber
Simply put, China has the largest Ground Force in the world. The US has the largest Air Force and Fleet in the World. Unless it resulted to Nuclear war, both countries would be destroyed. However, USAF would smash their AF and their Fleet like nothing. The F-22 and F/A 18 Hornet are the most technologically advanced figher jets in the world. They don't have an Air Force to Compare. We have bigger and badder battleships and cruisers.

IMO, war with China should be avoided at all costs, simply because there will be many a loss for both sides, possibly the rest of the world as well.... just my.02

And this is what it would come down to. Supposing nobody went trigger happy on the nukes, and we didn't actually have to hold the country with ground forces, we would win hands down. Our Air Force and Navy would wipe theirs out without too much sweat, and then that 300,000,000 person army can't do jack to us because they can't get to us. Our planes could then bomb everything that moves/makes their country function until they give up.

But if we actually tried to occupy China, well, I really don't think it would ever work.

CHINA IS THE NEXT SUPERPOWER! regardless of what we do, we will be to them what england is to us within the next 50 years, so now we need to make them dependant on US through our freemarket, and trade

ORIGINAL: USMCrebel

CHINA IS THE NEXT SUPERPOWER! regardless of what we do, we will be to them what england is to us within the next 50 years, so now we need to make them dependant on US through our freemarket, and trade



we own most of the industry over there, we have them on a leash if they want a job...

Troop morale is down. I'd say it would be definitely a tough win, especially that they have a much BIGGER military. Also don't forget that China and Russia work with each other. They've been selling each other stuff for a pretty long time. I feel if we got in it with China, Russia would jump in on China's side.

At that point, Russia/Chicoms VS theU.S. andwhat's left of the English Empire,both hands come out from behind Uncle Sugars back and the gloves are off.


I still like our odds. We would win as long as it doesn't go nuclear. If that happens it's lights out planet Earth.

On are side we would def have.

Brittan/Germany/France/all of the Eropean Union.
Canada.
Mexico.
Japan.
South Korea.
Australia.
Isreal.
(All of the major countries I can think of off the top of my head)

China would maybe have.
North Korea.
Russia.
(and some other Ariabian countries)

I think you mean that the North Koreans would side withthe Chicoms& the Ruskies.

yep shame on me had it backwards.[&:][:-]

ORIGINAL: fastbackford351

Â*Let me inject a little truth serum here.

China would be MUCH less of a threat were it not for Bill Clinton authorizing the sale of advanced computers and technology to the Chicoms.Â* That one action advanced their militaryÂ*capabilities 30+ years.Â*Â*Mainly in the area of missles and satellites.Â* They were in the stoneage up until then and no real military threat. Now, they can splash our satellites and hit the mainland.Â* Thanks Bill!

We stillÂ*have force multipliers, (read starwars and related technologies) that can handle the human waves but like the old Chicom saying goes, quantity has a quality all its own.

If we do go toe to toe with China I believe it will be over something like Taiwan and not oil.Â* But that being said, we did go to war with Japan over oil and other raw materialsÂ*so.....



I forgot all about are great friend Clinton and his sales.

Also, we could napalm the **** outa them.

No one wins in any war if you ask me because even the so called "winner" suffer many loses. But if I had to choose then it will be like I always do.......I CHOOSE AMERICAN!!!