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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:12:17 PM   
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Oh, and here is that proof, straight from the mouth of a member of Bush's own cabinet, and a VERY well respected man in Washington.  He has presented numerous official and confirmed memos and orders about it.  This is not news.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:17:11 PM   
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i dont know if it is true or not but reading that still doesnt change my mind about any of it. Bush realized that saddam was a threat to America and knew something needed to be done.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:17:14 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:21:16 PM   
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"oh and the fact that they control $1.3 trillion U.S. dollars in securities over there. Way to go   democrats!!!!"

WTF are you talking about, the Democrats haven't been able to pass anything they have wanted because they don't have republican support and Bush vetos it.  The only things getting passed are what the Republicans and Bush agree to...

One more thing, who the fuk do you think is paying for the Iraq war?  CHINA is financing the war that BUSH wanted before he got into office.  So every single day China is getting richer off the US to the tune of $410 million dollars.  As of now CHINA has financed close to 600 BILLION DOLLARS for the war, that again, BUSH WANTED BEFORE HE EVEN GOT INTO OFFICE...


well that's typical when you have a republican president and a democratic house. It'd be the exact same if there was a democrat in office and a majority of the house was republican. There has to be compromise either way. You can't get rid of either party...they have to stand on equal ground for anything to get passed. OR people need to stop b*tching about who's in office and complaining about bills that the senate doesn't pass..and they need to get off their *sses and go vote.  That's the only way anything will ever change. People can complain all they want, but the only way it will get any better is if they do something about it.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:22:14 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:24:28 PM   
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"oh and the fact that they control $1.3 trillion U.S. dollars in securities over there. Way to go   democrats!!!!"

WTF are you talking about, the Democrats haven't been able to pass anything they have wanted because they don't have republican support and Bush vetos it.  The only things getting passed are what the Republicans and Bush agree to...

One more thing, who the fuk do you think is paying for the Iraq war?  CHINA is financing the war that BUSH wanted before he got into office.  So every single day China is getting richer off the US to the tune of $410 million dollars.  As of now CHINA has financed close to 600 BILLION DOLLARS for the war, that again, BUSH WANTED BEFORE HE EVEN GOT INTO OFFICE...


I know this, but for someone to say its the Democrats faults that we are in debt passed our ears is WRONG.  That was the point I was trying to get across.

well that's typical when you have a republican president and a democratic house. It'd be the exact same if there was a democrat in office and a majority of the house was republican. There has to be compromise either way. You can't get rid of either party...they have to stand on equal ground for anything to get passed. OR people need to stop b*tching about who's in office and complaining about bills that the senate doesn't pass..and they need to get off their *sses and go vote.  That's the only way anything will ever change. People can complain all they want, but the only way it will get any better is if they do something about it.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:26:55 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



I have to agree. As of right now we don't have a draft. Don't sign up if you don't plan on fighting. I'm not saying that I support the war, but I do support men and women who voluntarilly give their lives for our freedom. And my hat goes off to you. 

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:28:54 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



I have to agree. As of right now we don't have a draft. Don't sign up if you don't plan on fighting. I'm not saying that I support the war, but I do support men and women who voluntarilly give their lives for our freedom. And my hat goes off to you. 



no offense but i cant stand hipocritys like yourself. you cant support troops and not support the war they are fighting. you either do it or you dont. dont be a john kerry and flip flop


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:29:00 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



The inspectors were allowed in before we went to war, THEY FOUND NOTHING!!!  Because Saddam knew he was in a bind, and we still went to war with Iraq, why was that?  You probably ought to know what you are talking about BEFORE running off at the mouth.

Another thing, why does the "mission" in Iraq keep changing when his previous mission was found to be WRONG.  First is was Al-Qaeda, then that was changed because Al-Qaeda wasn't around UNTIL we went into Iraq.  Than it was WMD's, that changed because there were NONE.  Now we are down to the 5th or 6th mission, to save the iraqi people from Saddam which has nothing to do with the war on terror...

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:29:42 PM   
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Sure Saddam was a bad guy, and yes he CLEARLY violated UN resolution after UN resolution.  No one denies that, and EVERYONE enjoyed him and his crazy ass sons getting killed.

However, was the invasion of Iraq WORTH it?  Everything has a worth; you balance what you got against what it cost.  Many people do not feel the benefits have outweighed the costs.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:29:58 PM   
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i predict china will go to war with the middle east with a thirst for oil. China has a 100000000000000000000000000 billion people , imagine them with wealth and military. Unstoppable. and the US has no choice but to take it in the ass or hide behind them.


it doesnt matter how many people are in your army. chinas army is no match for the US's



You are unqualified to make that statement.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:33:01 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



The inspectors were allowed in before we went to war, THEY FOUND NOTHING!!!  Because Saddam knew he was in a bind, and we still went to war with Iraq, why was that?  You probably ought to know what you are talking about BEFORE running off at the mouth.

Another thing, why does the "mission" in Iraq keep changing when his previous mission was found to be WRONG.  First is was Al-Qaeda, then that was changed because Al-Qaeda wasn't around UNTIL we went into Iraq.  Than it was WMD's, that changed because there were NONE.  Now we are down to the 5th or 6th mission, to save the iraqi people from Saddam which has nothing to do with the war on terror...



i remember watching bush in a state of the union address saying that saddam had denied inspecters to parts of the country, and bush said saddam had to be taken care of. bush followed through and im proud of it.

and you are forgetting that saddam admitted while he was in captivity that he purposly made it public to the world that he had weapons. he wanted to intiminate iran. so now you can talk after we invaded that there were no weapons. but prior to it, all evidence was pointing the other way. like i said before it is better to go in and be sure then to stand on the sidelines wondering.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:34:26 PM   
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"No offense but i cant stand hipocritys like yourself. you cant support troops and not support the war they are fighting. you either do it or you dont. dont be a john kerry and flip flop "

Are you serious?  You can support the troops without supporting the war.  Go ask a parent of ANY soldier in Iraq that doesn't support the war.  THEY will tell you they support their child/family member and the rest of the military, but do not support the war. 

So you mean to tell me that all those troops that don't support the war, are not supporting their comrades?  They are doing their job, but that doesn't mean they don't have to support Bush or the war, but I will guarantee you that they would do what they had to do to save one of their own, regardless of their opinion on the war.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:35:07 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



I have to agree. As of right now we don't have a draft. Don't sign up if you don't plan on fighting. I'm not saying that I support the war, but I do support men and women who voluntarilly give their lives for our freedom. And my hat goes off to you. 



no offense but i cant stand hipocritys like yourself. you cant support troops and not support the war they are fighting. you either do it or you dont. dont be a john kerry and flip flop



Wow. You are a big jackass. My dad is a vet so don't even say that I don't support our troops. I have plenty of friends have volunteered their lives for this war. Why don't you try taking a compliment with some grace and stop being such a prick.

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:37:15 PM   
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Where are the WMDs?


I don't see what the big deal was...

Terrorists proved that you don't need WMDs..

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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:37:28 PM   
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Wrong, all reports from the US(9/11 commision and others) show that there were no signs of Al-Qaeda in Iraq UNTIL we invaded!

The war in Iraq is BS, and is doing NOTHING except getting our soldiers killed!  Go read up on how the number of Al-Qaeda fighting in Afghanistan has risen SINCE we began the "war on terror", or if you want read up on how Al-Qaeda didn't move into Iraq until we started this war, and even than there numbers ARE STILL GROWING.  The war on terror is DOING NOTHING except killing our troops.



saddam flaunted his weapons of mass destruction to the world and then denied inspecters into his country. the man was a lunatic and needed to be gotten rid of. and its funyn how you speak for the soldiers. our army is all volunteer and so they chose to be over there. hey just this spring i signed up for 12 years. best decision i ever made



I have to agree. As of right now we don't have a draft. Don't sign up if you don't plan on fighting. I'm not saying that I support the war, but I do support men and women who voluntarilly give their lives for our freedom. And my hat goes off to you. 



no offense but i cant stand hipocritys like yourself. you cant support troops and not support the war they are fighting. you either do it or you dont. dont be a john kerry and flip flop



Wow. You are a big jackass. My dad is a vet so don't even say that I don't support our troops. I have plenty of friends have volunteered their lives for this war. Why don't you try taking a compliment with some grace and stop being such a prick.



my dad, all of my uncles , 2 grandfathers, and all of their brothers are all vets so dont give me that. it is just so hypocritical that you can say you support someone but dont support what they fight for. you either support them in whole, or dont support them at all. dont do it half ass.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:39:57 PM   
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John Kerry was a three time winner of the purple heart and VOLUNTEERED to fight.  When he saw injustice being done in his name and in the name of his country he spoke out.  His service earned him that right.  I get disgusted when so called "patriots" bash on a guy who fought for our country and earned that right.  A bunch of hypocrites.

And again; was it worth it?  I personally think that the three trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war and our military power would have been better spent A) TIGHTLY securing our borders, B) increasing our ability to project our military force around the world, C) increasing our intelligence gathering services, and D) increasing our dedication to Afghanistan.   Three trillion dollars buys a LOT of security.  Unfortunately right now it is being spent on security for IRAQIS.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:40:50 PM   
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dont get me wrong i hate free gas prices, but i would rather support free enterprise

Feds could easily argue that Exxon is creating a monopoly.    Nothing changes until the fuel alternatives get a government commitment and they become readily available to consumers. 
It's all good for the oil companies right now.  No changes needed.  They are making lots of money.  Retirement in Dubai FTW.


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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:42:57 PM   
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RE: Wow, China wins, I'm moving there. - 4/29/2008 6:42:45 PM   
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John Kerry was a three time winner of the purple heart and VOLUNTEERED to fight.  When he saw injustice being done in his name and in the name of his country he spoke out.  His service earned him that right.  I get disgusted when so called "patriots" bash on a guy who fought for our country and earned that right.  A bunch of hypocrites.

And again; was it worth it?  I personally think that the three trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war and our military power would have been better spent A) TIGHTLY securing our borders, B) increasing our ability to project our military force around the world, C) increasing our intelligence gathering services, and D) increasing our dedication to Afghanistan.   Three trillion dollars buys a LOT of security.  Unfortunately right now it is being spent on security for IRAQIS.



john kerry is a liar. ever wonder why john kerry has no scars. and was wounded 3 times from minor cuts and scrapes? also he filed his own files to receive the purple heart. John kerry is a snake and a liar. the purple heart is reserved for men that were actually wounded in battle. I think John Kerry should go as John McCaine about being wounded im sure he could teach him a lesson.


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