Ok, so here is where I am at with modding MY DAILY DRIVER:
I can purchase a brand new Vortech s-trim non-intercooled unit and do the install myself, then either purchase a canned tune from Brenspeed (I have CMDP's, shorty headers, etc..) or have it custome tuned for a cost of:
$3.2K Vortech non-HO S/C $130 spark plugs $75 canned tune or $400 for custom tune $250 tools/stuff for install = $3,800 to $4,200 for 400rhp
or,
I can purchase a used Paxton Novi 2200 intercooled unit (w/ 5k miles) and install it myself (never done it before and am worried that since it is used I will have a more difficult time installing) or have it installed and custom tuned by Adam @ STMotorsports.
$3.8K used Paxton Novi 2200 HO S/C $130 spark plugs $250 tools if install myself, $75 canned tune, or $1.2k installed/tuned by Adam/STMotorsports = $4,700 to $5,200 for 440rhp (w/ conservative tune)
Factors = How much of a difference is 40rhp? Which system would be safer for my engine? Which system is more reliable? Is the $1,000 difference worth 40rhp? I AM NOT TRYING TO BUILD THE FASTEST CAR ON THIS SITE, just trying for a well balanced spirited driver. I honestly don't think I would need more than 420hp. I don't want to immediately have to upgrade suspension, brakes, clutch, transmission, and I don't want anything to break.
Am I dreaming?
Give me your input fellas.
< Message edited by crazystylin -- 5/2/2008 6:17:45 PM >
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Brenspeed tuned Stage III Saleen VI s/c, Steeda CAI, 4.10''s, Steeda Triax, JBA Shorties, Magnaflow exhaust w/ SLP catbacks, FR Springs, 20''s w/ Nitto555''s, Tokico D-Specs, Eibach Rear Sway, Steeda UCA & LCAs, BMR PH Bar
3800 used for the 2200 isnt that great of a deal. You can probably score a new one for 4300ish. If you dont plan on upgrading later then get the vortech non HO or the Paxton 1200 non IC. They are both very close in performance. If you think you may want to go nuts later then get the 2200, but get a new one with a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. Either way i would get the self lubricating unit for easy self install. I have the 2200 and love it but the 1200 or the vortech would have been plenty of power for me. The 2200 is crazy power. PM me if you have any questions.
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Scott 2007 Shelby GT Performance White Paxton Supercharged 4.10's 499rwhp 440rwtq 12.65 @ 114mph on stock street tires
Yes, I am thinking about buying it from Adam at ST. I agree that $3.8K is not much different than buying new. I asked for a better deal, but we'll see, he seems firm. Seriously, I think 400-410 hp can be achieved with the Novi 1200 or Vortech non-HO. I am not a big 1/4 track guy trying to push the envelope but I would go to the track and enjoy road racing (auto-x). I just want a very strong powerband on tap.
As of now thoug, the Novi 2200 is not a deal I can't refuse. Maybe ST will sweeten the deal with install/tune price.
I am kinda on the fence between the units though.
1.) 400 hp v. 430 hp? 2.) $3,800 v. $5,200? 3.) Canned v. custom tune? 4.) Money for suspension v. breakin the bank?
I should start a vote and let you all decide my fate!
400-ish rhp is the goal.
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Brenspeed tuned Stage III Saleen VI s/c, Steeda CAI, 4.10''s, Steeda Triax, JBA Shorties, Magnaflow exhaust w/ SLP catbacks, FR Springs, 20''s w/ Nitto555''s, Tokico D-Specs, Eibach Rear Sway, Steeda UCA & LCAs, BMR PH Bar
If you can swing it I would go with the IC version if possible. I know of two people who went the non-IC Vortech route and both are looking to add the intercooler. Personally, I like the Novi 2200 and as someone else said before, can make insane power. However, it doesn't have to if you keep the boost lower.
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06 GT Vert Tungsten Gray Paxton Novi 2200 H.O. Intercooled Brenspeed Dyno Tune 482RWHP/408RWTQ Auto w/3.73 TCI Streetfigher TC Pypes Mid Muffler w/Pypes X Roush Front/Real Springs
3800 used for the 2200 isnt that great of a deal. You can probably score a new one for 4300ish. If you dont plan on upgrading later then get the vortech non HO or the Paxton 1200 non IC. They are both very close in performance. If you think you may want to go nuts later then get the 2200, but get a new one with a 3 year 36,000 mile warranty. Either way i would get the self lubricating unit for easy self install. I have the 2200 and love it but the 1200 or the vortech would have been plenty of power for me. The 2200 is crazy power. PM me if you have any questions.
Hypersurf1, I see in your sig that you dyno'd 499rhp. Are you running that tune every day or did you tune it conservative for daily driving?
Excellent numbers.
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Brenspeed tuned Stage III Saleen VI s/c, Steeda CAI, 4.10''s, Steeda Triax, JBA Shorties, Magnaflow exhaust w/ SLP catbacks, FR Springs, 20''s w/ Nitto555''s, Tokico D-Specs, Eibach Rear Sway, Steeda UCA & LCAs, BMR PH Bar
Okay, well for some odd reason Adam @ STMotorsports hasn't gotten back to me about the USED Novi 2200 HO system. I have called him like 5 times and have received absolutely no return calls whatsoever. I even offered him what he was asking, but I guess he is just too busy or is not motivated to sell right now.
So here is the new option: RHP goal = 400-450
Vortech V2 T-Trim with air/h20 charge cooler, 60# injectors, 8 rib pulley system, high pressure bypass valve - local friend will sell me the kit for $3,700.
I would still need to purchase: HTO cold spark plugs, with 32 degree gapping - $130 3.8" s/c pulley to push 8-10psi for no more than 450rhp - $90 Dual fuel Pump - $150-ish
What do y'all think. Are the 60# injectors too much?
Lookin at $4,000 for a ready to install kit HO massive HP potential (way more than I need) supercharger set up.
Let me know what you think.
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Brenspeed tuned Stage III Saleen VI s/c, Steeda CAI, 4.10''s, Steeda Triax, JBA Shorties, Magnaflow exhaust w/ SLP catbacks, FR Springs, 20''s w/ Nitto555''s, Tokico D-Specs, Eibach Rear Sway, Steeda UCA & LCAs, BMR PH Bar
As I said I feel 60# injectors are too much but if they came with the used kit keep them and get them flow tested first (save the money for install or other parts mentioned). Oh - Adam is extremely busy and has very little time for himself much less for returning calls but dont give up as he is one of the BEST tuners installers in the nation IMO and many others and truly cares for the car he is working on.... JMO J
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2006 Mustang GT with Cervinis Kit Whipple H.O S/C 465 RWHP and 440RWTQ
I have read some of the 3.4L Whipple custom fab job threads on here and understand that STMotorsports is knee deep in grease and wrenches. I just feel like an idiot calling them 5 times and not hearing anything back, so I will just let it ride and keep on looking elsewhere.
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Brenspeed tuned Stage III Saleen VI s/c, Steeda CAI, 4.10''s, Steeda Triax, JBA Shorties, Magnaflow exhaust w/ SLP catbacks, FR Springs, 20''s w/ Nitto555''s, Tokico D-Specs, Eibach Rear Sway, Steeda UCA & LCAs, BMR PH Bar
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