I am neutral on the subject I've never smoked it and don't plan on it. I was just wondering why is it illegal? Is the only reason because it's considered a gateway drug? I understand that it alters your state of mind and driving but so does alcohol. It also raises your risk of cancer toobut, so does tobacco.

nigger

ORIGINAL: stangman94

I am neutral on the subject I've never smoked it and don't plan on it. I was just wondering why is it illegal? Is the only reason because it's considered a gateway drug? I understand that it alters your state of mind and driving but so does alcohol. It also raises your risk of cancer tooÂ*but, so does tobacco.



After the failure of prohibition, all of the crazies felt they had failed, and wanted a mock victory to go "LOOK! WE DID STUFF WE WIN!"


So, they got marijuana outlawed.


Basically, weed was their bubblegum and bennigan's coupons.

actually there have been studies which say marijuana helps retard the spread of cancer. ask tokinGLX for a link to those

the only real reason pot is illegal is because its very easy to grow yourself, so it's pretty much impossible for the government to tax it with any effect

plus the only thing that makes it a "gateway drug" is that it is illegal in the first place

ive driven stoned basically every time ive gotten stoned, and it makes me drive PERFECT. it has never altered my perception in a way that would keep me from driving or performing any task really, IMO there is no reason that pot should be illegal. u cant OD on it u cant get poisoning from it like alcohol, in normal form the worst u can do is smoke yourself sick. u might throw up but u r still functioning. and ive only seen something like that happen once. worst case scenario, u get high, go to sleep and wake up drowzy.

I dunno, I have had some crazy ass weed that made it very difficult to drive back in the day. But i agree it should not be illegal, because I miss it and dream about it every now and then.

I've seen ALOT of people suck at driving when they're blown out. I know some people who are good however depending on if they smoked rags or dro. I think it is a gateway drug because eventually some people move onto stronger things such as shrooms, E, and coke. Happened to one of my buddies.Every druggy I know started of by just tokin it everynow and then.

just think of your classic "pothead" weed makes you dumb. we dont want a bunch of dumb hippies roaming our country so it is illegal and im sorry joo im gunna have to disagree but the tax idea i think is wrong because you can grow a lot of stuff yourself and the government still taxes it with ease. i/e crops

ecstacy isnt that bad realy i will agree coke is but not "E" nor shrooms for that matter i just dont mess with the stuiff in general though anymore the thing to really worry about is OC and methadone things like that really fcks up yer perception like eschercat

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

we dont want a bunch of dumb hippies roaming our country


That one made me LOL

(And I'm from Canada, if that puts it into context for you. :D )

ORIGINAL: Joolander

actually there have been studies which say marijuana helps retard the spread of cancer. ask tokinGLX for a link to those

the only real reason pot is illegal is because its very easy to grow yourself, so it's pretty much impossible for the government to tax it with any effect

plus the only thing that makes it a "gateway drug" is that it is illegal in the first place



ive always questioned the validity of those studies. nicotine is not carcinogenic. the carcinogens of tobacco are found in burning any plant. you take clippings from your mowed lawn and roll them up and smoke them, you will damage your lungs after prolonged use. tobacco has some nasty things in it, and some things grown in are more concentrated than you will find elsewhere, but smoking anything is hazardous. and if there was benefit to these cannibins hes always railing about, there are better ways to get them in your system. non-mind altering ways. actually i dont ever remember seeing the studies themselves, just articles in high-times web sites referencing these phantom studies. there is very little trustworthy evidence that there is any benefit.

@ the OP

There are many theories as to why its illegal. My best guess is the pharmaceutical companies (the ones who make all the different types of medicine that only target one certain thing, so if you have a back ache and head ache you need to take six different pills) would lose BIG TIME.

ORIGINAL: brian1570

ive driven stoned basically every time ive gotten stoned, and it makes me drive PERFECT. it has never altered my perception in a way that would keep me from driving or performing any task really, IMO there is no reason that pot should be illegal. u cant OD on it u cant get poisoning from it like alcohol, in normal form the worst u can do is smoke yourself sick. u might throw up but u r still functioning. and ive only seen something like that happen once. worst case scenario, u get high, go to sleep and wake up drowzy.
hopefully you'll get caught and they'll get your junkie ass off the road...i know a lotta people in rehab for that ****

smoking anything is hazardous



tires count?

Doesn't x put literally leave holes in your skull?

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

ive always questioned the validity of those studies. nicotine is not carcinogenic. the carcinogens of tobacco are found in burning any plant. you take clippings from your mowed lawn and roll them up and smoke them, you will damage your lungs after prolonged use. tobacco has some nasty things in it, and some things grown in are more concentrated than you will find elsewhere, but smoking anything is hazardous. and if there was benefit to these cannibins hes always railing about, there are better ways to get them in your system. non-mind altering ways. actually i dont ever remember seeing the studies themselves, just articles in high-times web sites referencing these phantom studies. there is very little trustworthy evidence that there is any benefit.



fox news first hit on google... who would've thunk... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318526,00.html

and the only reason why mj is a "gateway" drug is because of the fact you need to go to a drug dealer to get it. If it weren't for that, I guarantee I wouldn't have tried coke, e, or shrooms, because quite simply, I wouldn't have known where to get them.

wow nice, even fox news knows :D:D

ORIGINAL: javier146

Doesn't x put literally leave holes in your skull?


actually, its makes your eyes turn into light sabres and if you concentrate enough, you can shoot lazer beams and blow **** up.

Weird, no wonder when I tried it, and after I got off it, my cat was laying their with a slash across his stomach and his intestines all over the place.

ORIGINAL: javier146

Doesn't x put literally leave holes in your skull?


if your talking about ecstacy then not not in the skull i believe it can leave deadzones in the soft tissue after extended abuse and also as far as i know and with my exeriences it has no physically addicting properties like coke and and some of your prescrition drugs has but its more of a i like the feeling and the way i think and see things more clearly kinda thing like LSD some of the best discoveries in the mid 20th century were made by people trippin acid some of the brightest scientists

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

ORIGINAL: javier146

Doesn't x put literally leave holes in your skull?


actually, its makes your eyes turn into light sabres and if you concentrate enough, you can shoot lazer beams and blow **** up.




liar:eek:

oh goodness, an article simply referencing an obscure study :eek:.

im working myself through school doing cancer research for the UofI. trust me, its not as easy as getting blazed every once in awhile. and i believe i went the extra mile to cover all bases and say IF a legit study could come out with a statistically significant correlation (more than just "suggests" ;), in the sense of published papers, the word "suggests" in an abstract means you dont have piss) that there are better ways of getting it into your system than smoking it.

LOL, i read the study. those are in vitro tests. I have over a dozen GBM lines growing in my incubator at work. I can stop their spread with a little salt. we need pathway studies, not magic potions. i dont want to see growth trends, i want to see a diff display of gene expression after introduction of the cannibinoids so i can see HOW they are affected, not just that they ARE affected :eek:

I was talking about a study on a girl who did alot of x, and was her brain scans was put on MTV to show that she had holes in her head from the X. But I just check it out on erowid and it seems that it may not be true. http://www.maps.org/media/mtvclarify.html

It has to do with the textile companies being scared of hemp. Someone in the Gov has ties to one of these companies so he got Weed outlawed alltogether.

-the FDA has approved medical pot for driving.
-Joo was correct with the prohibition thing
-yes pot reduces your risk for cancer
-50% of police resources are WASTED (IMO) on drug traffic

Here is my idea: The government make weed legal for 21 year olds. The big tobacco companies are billion dollar corporations that can out grow and out sale any private grower. The can basically corner the market. You would be able to go get a pack of weed just like cigs for about 5 -10 a pack. I;m sure when weed 1st becomes legal people WILL try to grow there own and sell it for a living, but it would be just like making your own soda or beer practically you just cant compete with Philip-morris. Now this is where i get really excited, the government can put a huge tax on weed and maybe we can give the education system some much needed funding. Also you have more police resources to direct towards REAL crime.

Drugs are like any thing else. Its nothing without the user. If anyone ever did anything bad while on drugs its because they have problem themselves! Plenty of people can take drugs every single day and never harm anyone ever ever. The street will NOT be flooded with stoners causing chaos the day weed goes legal. Beer is legal and look at the millions of americas that still choose to not become intoxicated. Those that want to get stoned always will , why not tax it and let the economy bank from it!

it's illegal because richard nixon was a crooked piece of **** who made laws based on his personal prefences and didn't listen to facts.

I don't know where the f*ck you people are coming up with all this other crap.

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

it's illegal because richard nixon was a crooked piece of **** who made laws based on his personal prefences and didn't listen to facts.Â*

I don't know where the f*ck you people are coming up with all this other crap.Â*



http://www.csdp.org/news/news/nixon.htm

There are a million reasons, but in my opinion the main one is the pharmaceutical companies. You see, they have all these patented chemicals that help sick people. Yet weed has been proven to perform the same functions as many of these prescriptions (and more!!). But weed is a plant. You can't get a patent on a plant. So if weed is legalized, many of these patients will turn to the cheaper (and safer) alternative, and the Rx companies will lose millions. It's sad that such a situation would effect the government's laws in any way, but, it's not for the people by the people anymore.

I for one do not care for this unjust law. When my back aches, I smoke a bowl. To me prescriptions are the hard drugs.

ORIGINAL: ZoSo15

I for one do not care for this unjust law. When my back aches, I smoke a bowl. To me prescriptions are the hard drugs.



agree wholeheartidly

ORIGINAL: ZoSo15

There are a million reasons, but in my opinion the main one is the pharmaceutical companies. You see, they have all these patented chemicals that help sick people. Yet weed has been proven to perform the same functions as many of these prescriptions (and more!!). But weed is a plant. You can't get a patent on a plant. So if weed is legalized, many of these patients will turn to the cheaper (and safer) alternative, and the Rx companies will lose millions. It's sad that such a situation would effect the government's laws in any way, but, it's not for the people by the people anymore.

I for one do not care for this unjust law. When my back aches, I smoke a bowl. To me prescriptions are the hard drugs.



+1 thats what i think,

legal drug dealers... i really dont think you'd have to take a drug to eliminate a migraine and end up risking bleeding out of your butt as a side effect or w/e like the ones they show on TV.

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

it's illegal because richard nixon was a crooked piece of **** who made laws based on his personal prefences and didn't listen to facts.

I don't know where the f*ck you people are coming up with all this other crap.



This is true. Nixon's war on drugs cause he hated hippies and too many people were doing heroin in Viet Nam. He also created the DEA. Since it was so hard to outlaw each individual drug, all drugs were given a Schedule 1 thru 4 rating. Stuff that they wanted made illegal became a schedule 1 drug. I forget all the details, but a google seach will provide.

Smoking pot can cause cancer, just like smoking anything else, because you are putting smoke in your lungs. BUT if you vaporize, there is no burnt up organic matter going in your lungs, just air and THC (which DOES slow the spread/growth of cancer).

Pot also helps people with eating disorders and glaucoma, not to mention the fact that it is a moderately effective painkiller.


NOW, on to the stereotypes about smokers.

First, the 'pothead.' Sure, he's lazy, and he doesn't want to do anything but smoke pot. But is it because he started smoking pot and then became lazy, or is it because he was already lazy and had nothing to do so he started toking to pass the time? Most of the pot heads I know were of the latter case. Also, you may see a lot of potheads around, but there are also A LOT of people who smoke and you would never know it. There are plenty of clean-cut people who have good careers and promising futures in those careers that go home and light up to take away some of the stress of the day.

Now, the 'gateway' theory. I think somebody pointed out that a lot of people move on to harder **** just because they have to go to a dealer to get their herb, and that is a very valid point. On the other hand, there are a lot of low lifes who are hooked on heroin/meth/crack that started out just smoking up. But a lot of this people just started with pot because that was what was the most readily available when they began their drug exploits (and yes, THC IS a drug). Smoking a blunt or inhaling a huge bong rip won't turn you into a raging fiend (and if you believe this you need to stop watching Reefer Madness).

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

*snip*

Now, the 'gateway' theory. I think somebody pointed out that a lot of people move on to harder **** just because they have to go to a dealer to get their herb, and that is a very valid point. On the other hand, there are a lot of low lifes who are hooked on heroin/meth/crack that started out just smoking up. But a lot of this people just started with pot because that was what was the most readily available when they began their drug exploits (and yes, THC IS a drug). Smoking a blunt or inhaling a huge bong rip won't turn you into a raging fiend (and if you believe this you need to stop watching Reefer Madness).


i dunno that movie is funny as hell, especially when you're high :D:D


but of course thc is a drug, just like alcohol

other than that, i agree 100%

Just like sugar and caffeine.

They are all drugs.

Gateway is a complete load of crap.

Why is potillegal?.....the usual......money and power. +1 Redass

Have you ever seen someone die from pot addiction?....Nope. People certainly do from alcohol addiction.....and it's not pretty.

holy ****, can we just call marijuanna WEED or something other than 'pot'? where the **** did 'pot' come from? i don't see anyone boiling pasta with stovetops while smoking a J.:eek:

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

Smoking pot can cause cancer, just like smoking anything else, because you are putting smoke in your lungs. BUT if you vaporize, there is no burnt up organic matter going in your lungs, just air and THC (which DOES slow the spread/growth of cancer).
like i said, a few in vitro studies does not mean anything. smoking pot does not in any way slow glaucoma, its like taking tylenol for arthritis, covers the symptoms. like i said in my previous post, i can do alot to control the tumor cells we grow in my lab. i only have to affect pH about a half a point or change the salt concentration of the buffer a little and WHAMMO, tumor cells stop growing. EAT LOTS OF POPCORN PEOPLE! it cures cancer! [>:]. its also pretty ignorant to think that you have some process that is selective for only THC. now, i do not believe there is any legitimate basis for it to be illegal while we allow things like alcohol and tobacco in our society. the fact that its illegal and the pursuit therein is what makes alot of young kids turn into little badasses, not the pot itself.

Good Question. If weed was made legal, a lot of crime, death, and drug smuggling would stop.

Uhhh, weed (that better, 99?:D) definitely helps with glaucoma. It relieves the pressure (intraocular pressure) which is major factor in the loss of sight in glaucoma patients.


And it hasn't 'just been a few in vitro studies.' Hell, the government found that it had more positive than negative effects (like said tumor growth-stopping), but Nixon decided to round-file the study and make it illegal, anyway.

everything you post is hearsay, and im tempted to believe you dont even know what ur saying as you regurgitate my posts back at me.

the studies are irrelevant. tumor invasiveness and growth follows the same pathways as normal cells. in fact, it its the body's mechanisms for keeping you alive which nurtures the tumor. smoking some weed will not affect this in the body. you just dont understand the nature of cancer. maybe you need to hop in on a study, speak with, and consent over 50 people, and watch all but 3 die over the next 2 years despite the best medical treatment. and then we wonder why we cant get their tumor cultures to grow in the lab..... the body does everything it can to keep all of its cells living, including tumor cells.
grandma has cancer so i fix her up a nice bong. now, not only is grandma still going to die, but shes also now high. you guys are brilliant :eek:

you gotta realize that most tumor types, if taken out of the context of the body, are comprised of very functionally healthy cells. they are able to grow and multiply. thats all you need for establishing cell health (this isnt true for some high grade tumors, but thats a different issue). the only thing differentiating them is that genetically they are on thin ice and about to get axed. apoptosis is the accepted way of treating tumors. because they are 99.999999999% identical to normal cells, the only thing we got is the chance to distrupt them genetically and by definition anything that affects a tumor cell negatively will affect normal tissue negatively as well.

ummm

having cancer and being high > having cancer and not being high.


:D[8D]

you cannot fix a tumor. these cells have lost the ability to regulate themselves. we have a family in one of our studies which has competely lost the p53 gene. all of them are dying of various types of primary and metastatic disease. anything you do other than kill the cells is a weak ass stall.

I never said it was a cure, i think the words used were retard, inhibit, and slow. No one ever said it would cure it 100%


So according to your last post, you would rather just go ahead and die than smoke a fatty and have some extra time

you wont even have extra time. its a myth. you cant claim this until there has been a longevity study with actual patients. i have yet to see one even worth reading. you will just die, justwith the munchies. i dont know what the effect of the cannabinoids is on the rest of the body but i can ensure you that they are not some magic cancer-only compound. if they truely do affect cell migration, they will affect that pathway for all areas of the body. this is not good. especially if dealing with high enough concentrations to actually make a measurable difference.

this is why i made the distinction "in vitro". these studies are performed on petri dishes, and the only thing i have to say is OF COURSE the growth slowed. you introduced a forgein compound in relative high concentration. it will do one of 2 things, slow it down, or speed it up. this does not in any way mean you affected the necessary pathways. there is a very good chance the cells are just unable to grow in the new conditions. the study linked earlier does no assays to really assess change. they do cell count which in this context is almost completely meaningless.

the reason an "in vivo" study is also pointless: we cannot yet accurately determine tumor size with real accuracy within the body. CT's and MRI's give us the basic idea, but they sometimes have error associated with them in terms of liters, especially in the algorithmic software out there. i know of a few joint efforts between hospitals and engineering labs to come up with software which will reliably outline and measure a tumor from MRI. they have a while to go before they even come close. even at resection its assumed everyone knows there is an appreciable amount of healthy tissue that was harvested OR that there is an appreciable amount of tumor that was left behind. you really cant let some Joe toke up and then scan him in a couple months and say "look, the weed helps!"

Well, this is all just a bunch of crap then. Isn't this how all these new drugs are invented...just like the diseases that they supposedly "treat"? They seem to have more side affects than they do benefits anyways. It was my understanding that this is the point to the weed. It isn't a cure but an aide for the treatments/ side affects, to make it bearable. It does help with the migranes and the nausousness.

OK OK OK there are some scientifically CONTROVERSIAL aspects of weed and cancer. drop it. there is no SOLID study out yet.


Perhaps after this last generation of old fogies dies off , we can vote weed in. I for one think its to most ridiculous thing ever when cops stop pot smokers as if they are armed burglars. Im allow to go eat at McDs and destroy my body , why not smoke what I want? there is no difference.

there are plenty of non toxic ways to treat those symptoms, and ways that are actually far more effective. and yes, weed smoke is toxic, just like inhaling any type of smoke is.

hold on, im reading the thread. with all the misinformation ive seen so far, this one just might keep me busy for a few.
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l259/tokinGLX/green/motivator4177650.jpg

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
a bunch of stupid bullsh¡t

seriously, im trying to read this thread, and your retardedness just keeps grabbing my neck and punching me in the face.
quit it.

here is part one of the movie "in pot we trust" the whole thing is available on youtube
any skeptic of marijuana having valid medicinal value has probably NEVER spoken, face to face, with somebody that uses it for their condition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx9utVHPMm8

well, consider that almost every hardcore drug addict in the country started getting high with pot... what part of "gateway drug" doesn't sound right?

I'm all for medicinal marijuana use, but the last thing the government needs is young kids smoking pot. We have enough trouble with them getting drunk already!
Many posts here show that!:D

But before those addicts smoked up they probably had a cup of coffee or a can of soda. And before that they probably had sugar laden candies every day.

See what I'm getting at?

meh.. im not really pro legalization but im not against those who get high randomely.. its like i dont mind the ppl that get drunk randomely.. i honestly think i only know a handful of peiople that DONT get high.. and some of them yes are bums that will prob never better themselves but others work their asses off.. and ive even heard one say 'i dont know how people get stoned and go do manual labor' (he installs carpet).. just like i dont see how people get drunk and do that shyt.. if i start bustin my ass after drinkin a decent bit i hurl..

the only reason i would really be against legalization is because with all the retards and careless people already in the world i think it would just add to it with child situations.. people are careless enough with smoking around children and the last thing they need is children or babies catching contacts.. i had the unfortunateness of going to visit my bf at a friends house and they had baggies everywhere and i remember their 3 y/o pick up a handfull and shove it in her mouth and the mom instantly cleaned her mouth out and whipped her and sent her to bed.. it took everything in me to not instantly leave and call the police.. a few days later their house got raided anyways and they were taken to jail for coke and whatever else, which made me very happy.. but in the same its like alcoholics and their children.. but people tend to get easily pissed off when drunk so kids get beaten for no reason..

*sigh* i just really hate people that cant control themselves..


/rant

oh! but one thing i do absolutely hate...


those truth ad commercials.. somebody needs to punch those people for making smoking a little weed look that absolutely horrible..

weed and cancer- http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/djm268v1
a completely different weed and cancer- http://www.healthrelatedinfos.com/2007/04/17/marijuana-compound-may-fight-lung-cancer.html
tope 10 pot studies the gov't wished it had never funded- http://www.nerd****.com/wordpress/?p=2179
more weed and cancer- http://www.medmjscience.org/Pages/science/vinciguerra.html
this talks about how unlikely marijuana is to cause cancer- http://www.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309
cancer in rats and marijuana- http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig5/armentano-p1.html
weed and ALZHEIMERS- http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,148518,00.html
more weed and cancer- http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4417261.stm
marijuana myths h ttp://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/mj-health-mythology.html#myth1
alzheimers again- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050224111638.htm
the SETH groups videos of thc vs normal brain cells and brain tumor cells- http://sethgroup.org/videos.html


the first step to make cannabis illegal was made in 1937 with the passage of the marihuana tax act. do a google search of this and youll come up with plenty of reading.
this caught many farmers by surprise, because they found out that the HUGE cash crop "hemp" was actually this newfangled word "marihuana," which was illegal. the magazine popular mechanics hadnt heard the news yet, and in 38 they published this article talking about the new billion dollar cash crop. and that is "billion" in 1938 terms.- http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/popmech1.htm
The paper industry offers even greater possibilities. As an industry it amounts to over $1,000,000,000 a year, and of that eighty per cent is imported. But hemp will produce every grade of paper, and government figures estimate that 10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average pulp land.

the tax act was deemed unconstitutional in 69 when timothy leary challenged it- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leary_v._United_States
and that led to the system that is currently in place today: the controlled substances act, which placed marijuana as a schedule 1 drug. this is the category where the substances have ABSOLUTELY no medical value(see links posted above). congress recognized that they did not know enough about pot at this time so as to justify it being a schedule 1 substance. so they created a presidential commission(where nixon would get to appoint most of the reviewers) to validate its stance on the list. nixon tried, he put as many top dog anti drug warriors as he could find on the case. they went to work, and did thorough work indeed. this is the shafer commission- http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/nc/ncmenu.htm . in the end, they concluded that...

"[T]he criminal law is too harsh a tool to apply to personal possession even in the effort to discourage use. … It implies an overwhelming indictment of the behavior which we believe is not appropriate. The actual and potential harm of use of the drug is not great enough to justify intrusion by the criminal law into private behavior, a step which our society takes only with the greatest reluctance." and went on to suggest legalization or at least decriminalization.

any questions¿ did i miss anything¿

oh yes! vaporization!
smoke is indeed very toxic. i absolutely do not recommend smoking anything to anyone(unless it is simply not an option) luckily for modern day tokers, there is a very smokeless way to enjoy getting high. it is called vaporization. this is where heat is applied to the herb that is BELOW combustable temps, but at or above that of the boiling point of thc and other cannabinoids. this allows quick(the downside of eating cannabis) and easy delivery of the cannabiniods in a familiar fashion to what people are already used to. the last part of this vid has a vaporizer in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGJVdFO7l7Q

ORIGINAL: QatarStang

But before those addicts smoked up they probably had a cup of coffee or a can of soda. And before that they probably had sugar laden candies every day.

See what I'm getting at?


as ive said time and time again, on this and many other forums.
sugar, advil/tylenol and caffeine are the three biggest gateway drugs. tobacco, alcohol and marijuana are far down the list.

ORIGINAL: tokinGLX

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
a bunch of stupid bullsh¡t

seriously, im trying to read this thread, and your retardedness just keeps grabbing my neck and punching me in the face.
quit it.



i only wish it would grab you in the neck and do just that. if we could only be so lucky.

it takes approximately zero intelligence to copy and paste links and propaganda. ive gone over this enough times with you, your links and obscure studies are meaningless. i do this for a living and a means to pay my way through school. ur a moron

ORIGINAL: tokinGLX

any skeptic of marijuana having valid medicinal value has probably NEVER spoken, face to face, with somebody that uses it for their condition.




and Jenny McCarthy is the new face of autism treatment. antidepressant impact is only marginally better than placebo. and there are people who swear up and down that chiropractors are just crooks. what exactly is your point? having an illness in no way, shape, and/or form makes you an expert. again, moron

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

ORIGINAL: tokinGLX

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260
a bunch of stupid bullsh¡t

seriously, im trying to read this thread, and your retardedness just keeps grabbing my neck and punching me in the face.
quit it.



i only wish it would grab you in the neck and do just that. if we could only be so lucky.

it takes approximately zero intelligence to copy and paste links and propaganda. ive gone over this enough times with you, your links and obscure studies are meaningless. i do this for a living and a means to pay my way through school. ur a moron


you're arguing with a kid who's based his entire life around pot. trust me, it aint worth it.

Doesn't matter if it's bad for you. The law illegalizing weed is arbitrary and unconstitutional. Seriously. Any law that criminalizes a huge portion of the population and can not be enforced is wrong.

On that note at a party recently I confirmed another smoker on my block. So now in the middle of suburban Long Island we have a row of 9 neighboring homes in a row,all middle-class, normal adults, and we all smoke pot.

Yea! Thank God NY cops have so many other things to do then bother us. Wish I could grow it legally though.

And the reason it's illegal is simple. Too many judges, court clerks, lawyers, cops, probation officers, etc, etc, etc. making a living off you getting busted with a1/2 once.

I still can't believe it's illegal in this day and age. Just goes to show you the money and old boys network still rules. Seems like we weren't paying attention back in the sixties/seventies when someone said, Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss....

im not trying to turn him. i tried several months ago. its not going to happen. this kid just doesnt understand the intricacies of the disease. his first article cites a broad family of protien kinases which are generally active in any cell. they succeeded in determining weed is a depressant. congrats :eek:

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

it takes approximately zero intelligence to copy and paste links and propaganda. ive gone over this enough times with you, your links and obscure studies are meaningless. i do this for a living and a means to pay my way through school. ur a moron

it takes approximately zero intelligence to not read easily findable and obviously unbiased links that have been copied and pasted for you who are too stupid to try talking about something that you have no understanding of. ive gone over this more than enough times with idiots like you. your posts are trollish and meaningless. i do this for a living and a means to pay my rent and bills. you are a ****ing mongoloid. youre just like that retard in high school who talks big about his muscle car, then when a true gearhead starts talking to you, they realize that you dont know the difference between a pushrod and a valve stem. you really should stop typing about stuff that you dont have a clear grasp of. thats really all im saying.



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the law was arbitrary, yes, but that does not make it unconstitutional. many chemical products are barred just because the FDA cant control them. hell, its why absynthe isnt sold here, not due to the myths about green fairies. on these grounds its perfectly constitutional. still, arbitrary, thats a good word for it

oh come on now tokin, you really cant make that claim. i know damn well what im talking about ;)

please, udwad ur panties. no need for this just because ur chief argument isnt as strong as you had hoped. weed to cancer patients is just like tylenol to an arthritic. does nothing but offset symptoms. get over it. ur pretty angry for a pot head :eek:


and what exactly do you do to pay ur bills? post links on the interwebz? lord knows u dont actually do research.

Regarding cancer, didn't they establish a possible cure/treatment through limiting the blood supply to the tumor somehow?

I remember seeing it on TV or readin about it a few years ago. They treated the body with a compound/drug that targeted the super-fast growing capillaries associated with the tumors and stopped them.

???

If you are trying to stop me form siting home on a friday night smoking it up , eating abox of cookies and watching TV with the girl friend


YOU ARE A NAZI

stop imposing YOUR personal morals on MY lifestyle. Its not hurting ANYONE. anyone who says weed or alcohol should be illegal needs to be deported to North Korea or have there voting rights taken away for being STUPID.

ORIGINAL: FirePower

Regarding cancer, didn't they establish a possible cure/treatment through limiting the blood supply to the tumor somehow?

I remember seeing it on TV or readin about it a few years ago. They treated the body with a compound/drug that targeted the super-fast growing capillaries associated with the tumors and stopped them.

???




no, there are a few treatments which are hoped to target a blood supply chemically. they will typically embolize certain tumors before resection depending on circumstance. maybe this is what you are thinking of. it cuts off most of the blood supply to the tumor making surgery much easier and less complicated. you have to remember, unless immunoprivileged, anything chemically you do to a tumor will affect normal tissue in the same way. this is why site-specific chemo is used alot of times. implantation of chemo therapy in high concentration within the tumor bed to kill any residual tumor.


btw sxgt, i never told anyone not to toke up on friday night. eat an extra cookie for me while ur at it. [8D]

all you dumb hippie potheads can argue all you want but weed is bad for you and it makes you dumb.taxing it wont help the economy either. the government in no way should ever try to persuade the economy ever. the conomy is completely seperate from the government and thats why ours is so successful

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all you dumb hippie potheads can argue all you want but weed is bad for you and it makes you dumb.taxing it wont help the economy either. the government in no way should ever try to persuade the economy ever. the conomy is completely seperate from the government and thats why ours is so successful



1. that is irrelevant
2. It will help the economy by providing new jobs for people and introducing a new big product to the market. The tax the government will get can fuel education or police resources
3. Why did i get a stimulus check?

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2. It will help the economy by providing new jobs for people and introducing a new big product to the market.


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the government should not try to create jobs for people because the government runs things so ineffeciently and these "jobs" you talk about will be outsourced anyway. also that tax on weed is completely unfair to weed smokers. although i disagree with all of it a tax on weed should go to help potheads not public education which is a total joke.

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

the government should not try to create jobs for people because the government runs things so ineffeciently and these "jobs" you talk about will be outsourced anyway. also that tax on weed is completely unfair to weed smokers. although i disagree with all of it a tax on weed should go to help potheads not public education which is a total joke.Â*



the government is preventing these jobs in the 1st place. its DE REGULATION idiot.


LAWL and gas tax isnt fair to me !! LOL!!!!!!!


one day you will grow up and see the light.

the government should not create jobs at the expence of peoples health.

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

the government should not create jobs at the expence of peoples health.Â*


corporation are(would be) making these jobs , not the government. the only role the government has is to say "yes you can have it"

people before said the government should take taxes from the wee and then use it to fund jobs... either way weed is bad for you. potheads use excuses like it stops cancer and **** like that but it is on such a minor level i would much rather take healthy drugs then to smoke weed.

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

people before said the government should take taxes from the wee and then use it to fund jobs... either way weed is bad for you. potheads use excuses like it stops cancer and **** like that but it is on such a minor level i would much rather take healthy drugs then to smoke weed.


IT IS IRRELEVANT THAT IT IS BAD FOR YOUR HEALTH. i can name 100 things that are legal that more MORE harmful to consume. Tax money is tax money. I dont think the gov. should use it for anything other then debt relief / fund education.

oh and all in all, our country does not need any more jobs for any people. the unemployment rate is 4.8 percent and the economy runs most efficiently at 5 percent so there are actually too many people working haha... and pluss there are plenty of jobs out there for people if they are willing to work. some people are just lazy and would rather stay on the welfare. i could drop out of highschool right now and pull 35k a year easy

ok you do that

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oh and all in all, our country does not need any more jobs for any people. the unemployment rate is 4.8 percent and the economy runs most efficiently at 5 percent so there are actually too many people working haha... and pluss there are plenty of jobs out there for people if they are willing to work. some people are just lazy and would rather stay on the welfare. i could drop out of highschool right now and pull 35k a year easy


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-false.


you failed to calculate population growth. in 10 years guess how many more people will be in the US and how many other companies will have moved labor to asia.

well as of right now there is a drop in unemployment. and you are wrong because in the 80s when outsourcing became popular people thought there would be no jobs left. 20 years later still 5 percent unemployment.

History 5.1% in Mar 2008


5% of 500 million is A LOT BIGGER then 5% of 100 million......


5% of 500 000 000 = 25 000 000


25 million without jobs. sounds productive.....

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

well as of right now there is a drop in unemployment. and you are wrong because in the 80s when outsourcing became popular people thought there would be no jobs left. 20 years later still 5 percent unemployment.

were you even alive in the 80s¿

What if it was illegal? Think about the possibilities. I huge company would arise & plug itself into the suffering economy!

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all you dumb hippie potheads can argue all you want but mustangforums off-topic is bad for you and it makes you dumb.


There, fixed.

It is dumb to have pot illegal but alcohol legal. I've seen far more families ruined by alcoholism than by pot smoking... pot smoking usually leads to the munchies. Booze... car accidents and beatings.

And doesn't Toke actually grow medical pot for a living?

Seriously tho, some of you guys sound like teenagers all upset over a friend getting into daddy's booze.

Then again, some of you probably are.

Make it legal. Tax it. Put thousands of people to work growing it and marketing it. Make billions of tax dollars on it.

Or make booze and cigarettes illegal.

Whatever, don't be hypocritical.

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

people before said the government should take taxes from the wee and then use it to fund jobs... either way weed is bad for you. potheads use excuses like it stops cancer and **** like that but it is on such a minor level i would much rather take healthy drugs then to smoke weed.


WOW. I wish you would stfu. Why don't you go smoke a bowl...you seriously need to mellow out.

I guess you could always use your job making 35K to help pay for your prescription drugs, but some of us "hippies" would rather smoke a J and call it a day. Why don't you educate yourself before you come on here and post a bunch of b.s.?
AND prescription drug abuse is a bit more serious than someone smoking a bowl every day.

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people before said the government should take taxes from the wee and then use it to fund jobs... either way weed is bad for you. potheads use excuses like it stops cancer and **** like that but it is on such a minor level i would much rather take healthy drugs then to smoke weed.


WOW. I wish you would stfu. Why don't you go smoke a bowl...you seriously need to mellow out.

I guess you could always use your job making 35K to help pay for your prescription drugs, but some of us "hippies" would rather smoke a J and call it a day. Why don't you educate yourself before you come on here and post a bunch of b.s.?
AND prescription drug abuse is a bit more serious than someone smoking a bowl every day.




fukin low life hippie man. i take drugs that are perscribed to me by a doctor who has the knowledge of what to perscribe me. i dont go to the local drug dealer you hippie.

damnit, this thread had promise tooo

surfbum, stop calling people "****ing low life hippies", stop trying to get around the site's word filter

any more of this kind of bickering, and i'll have to lock the thread. i dont want to do that

joo dont be mean;)

i suppose that might be too much

this week is finals week, so im a little on edge [:@]

maybe ill go smoke a bowl....

The question of whether or not marijuana should be legalized has gotten completely lost in all of this stupid name calling. Just because someone smokes pot it doesn't mean that they're a "low life hippie". I know many productive, and successful members of society who smoke a joint every now and then. You can't categorize everyone just because it makes it easier for you to prove your point. The world isn't black and white. What is so wrong with smoking weed? If you don't like it, then don't associate with people who do it...that's your choice.

And just fyi... I'm a 20 year old college student with a 3.5 GPA and I attend a top 5 Southern Baccalaureate College. Wanna call me a low life hippie one more time?

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joo dont be mean;)


10-4 good buddy

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i quoted this cause i cant spell your name... just liked your tag. flyers were great tonight. im goin wednesday haha a little off topic but whatever

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The question of whether or not marijuana should be legalized has gotten completely lost in all of this stupid name calling.Â* Just because someone smokes pot it doesn't mean that they're a "low life hippie". I know many productive, and successful members of society who smoke a joint every now and then.Â* You can't categorize everyone just because it makes it easier for you to prove your point. The world isn't black and white.Â* What is so wrong with smoking weed? If you don't like it, then don't associate with people who do it...that's your choice.

And just fyi... I'm a 20 year old college student with a 3.5 GPA and I attend a top 5 Southern Baccalaureate College. Wanna call me a low life hippie one more time?



:D :D thank you

ORIGINAL: Mustang_Baby

The question of whether or not marijuana should be legalized has gotten completely lost in all of this stupid name calling. Just because someone smokes pot it doesn't mean that they're a "low life hippie". I know many productive, and successful members of society who smoke a joint every now and then. You can't categorize everyone just because it makes it easier for you to prove your point. The world isn't black and white. What is so wrong with smoking weed? If you don't like it, then don't associate with people who do it...that's your choice.

And just fyi... I'm a 20 year old college student with a 3.5 GPA and I attend a top 5 Southern Baccalaureate College. Wanna call me a low life hippie one more time?


yea here ya go (sorry in advance joo) your a lowlife hippie. i dont care about your college or gpa

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

ORIGINAL: Mustang_Baby

The question of whether or not marijuana should be legalized has gotten completely lost in all of this stupid name calling. Just because someone smokes pot it doesn't mean that they're a "low life hippie". I know many productive, and successful members of society who smoke a joint every now and then. You can't categorize everyone just because it makes it easier for you to prove your point. The world isn't black and white. What is so wrong with smoking weed? If you don't like it, then don't associate with people who do it...that's your choice.

And just fyi... I'm a 20 year old college student with a 3.5 GPA and I attend a top 5 Southern Baccalaureate College. Wanna call me a low life hippie one more time?


yea here ya go (sorry in advance joo) your a lowlife hippie. i dont care about your college or gpa



Name calling doesn't make you sound any smarter. I could say something back...but what would be the point? Your only argument is that I'm a low life hippie, and I'm okay with that...I would much rather be a hippie than an ignorant jack***. :) Why don't you try talking about the actual issue...this is how perfectly good threads turn to crap.

surfbum, you have a confeterate flag superimposed over the us flag. gtfo :D

ORIGINAL: Mustang_Baby

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

ORIGINAL: Mustang_Baby

The question of whether or not marijuana should be legalized has gotten completely lost in all of this stupid name calling. Just because someone smokes pot it doesn't mean that they're a "low life hippie". I know many productive, and successful members of society who smoke a joint every now and then. You can't categorize everyone just because it makes it easier for you to prove your point. The world isn't black and white. What is so wrong with smoking weed? If you don't like it, then don't associate with people who do it...that's your choice.

And just fyi... I'm a 20 year old college student with a 3.5 GPA and I attend a top 5 Southern Baccalaureate College. Wanna call me a low life hippie one more time?


yea here ya go (sorry in advance joo) your a lowlife hippie. i dont care about your college or gpa



Name calling doesn't make you sound any smarter. I could say something back...but what would be the point? Your only argument is that I'm a low life hippie, and I'm okay with that...I would much rather be a hippie than an ignorant jack***. :) Why don't you try talking about the actual issue...this is how perfectly good threads turn to crap.


i talked about the issue and i already made my points so go back and read them. he asked me to call him one so i did.

ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

yea here ya go (sorry in advance joo) your a lowlife hippie. i dont care about your college or gpa


ORIGINAL: surfbum7190

fukin low life hippie man. i take drugs that are perscribed to me by a doctor who has the knowledge of what to perscribe me. i dont go to the local drug dealer you hippie.


Hmmm... apparently it didn't take weed to make the bum unable to use proper English... between that, his complete lack of understanding of anyone else, and his sig, anyone else beginning to suspect that surf is a dumb mountain hick who is banging his sister?

EDIT: Ohhh I missed this, he is still in high school. That explains a LOT. Who knows if he will FINISH, of course... he might just drop out and pull in 35k a year. :D

sorry but usuall when people are on the computer it is acceptable to use shortcuts and slang. are you going to correct everyone that says jk and lol and u instead of you? thats just dumb if you do. btw i dont think "Hmmm" is a word

HUGE huge difference between...

A) a shortcut, like "tho" or "u"

and

B) not knowing how to spell BASIC words, or completely confusing BASIC grammar. Seriously, I teach fifth grade and we went over "your" and "you're" in our GUM book like a week ago. I straight up told the kids it is okay to confuse them for about a week in fifth grade, but if they make that mistake as an adult they sound DUMB. And I said "DUMB" like six times and smacked the board. Now we practice that a few times a day and they repeat that they will sound dumb if they don't know the difference.

ORIGINAL: Lord Ashram

Hmmm... apparently it didn't take weed to make the bum unable to use proper English... between that, his complete lack of understanding of anyone else, and his sig, anyone else beginning to suspect that surf is a dumb mountain hick who is banging his sister?

EDIT: Ohhh I missed this, he is still in high school. That explains a LOT. Who knows if he will FINISH, of course... he might just drop out and pull in 35k a year. :D



hahahaha:D

ORIGINAL: Lord Ashram

HUGE huge difference between...

A) a shortcut, like "tho" or "u"

and

B) not knowing how to spell BASIC words, or completely confusing BASIC grammar. Seriously, I teach fifth grade and we went over "your" and "you're" in our GUM book like a week ago. I straight up told the kids it is okay to confuse them for about a week in fifth grade, but if they make that mistake as an adult they sound DUMB. And I said "DUMB" like six times and smacked the board. Now we practice that a few times a day and they repeat that they will sound dumb if they don't know the difference.



come on you cant be serious with this. there is no difference from using your than using tho or u. they are both shortcuts that make typing a lot faster.

Uh no. They are not shortcuts. They are just not knowing your native language. "Perscribed" has just as many letters as "prescribed;" how is that a shortcut? And if the extra effort of the apostrophe and the e in "you're" is THAT difficult, you really should go take a nap.

amotivational syndrome

one of my best friends started turning into a major burner, now he listens to the worst bands on the planet, and criticizes the most successful mainstream bands for being sell-outs and not having talent. he wears the same thing every day and is slowly becoming more lax about personal hygiene. we dont want a country of people listening to "MOE" or "umphreys mcgee" do we now? haha jk

thats more part of the moral reason, people being burnt-out stoners, but its just like how governments say they wanna get rid of drunk driving. . . they dont really want to get rid of it because of lobbyists from the insurance companies. if drunk driving was stopped so many revenues would just stop, which sucks but unfortunately thats the truth. with weed, they can get more money giving tickets and stuff like that. i'd also guess that it supports contries that we dont like because theyre generally the suppliers

Omfg another weed thread...Seriously...Do you pot heads have nothing else to do but create one every month??? All of us level head people get it...You love weed and you think its wonderful..point taken...No ones ever going to change your mind about the fact that you think its the best thing ever created so I wont bother and any other adult on here shouldnt either.....I would like to ask a question to the mods though...You cant post nude pics on here because the site is easily accessible to children and it is illegal forpeople under the age of 18 to view it(yea I know they do but thats not my point)...you also cantuse any curse words forw.e reasonbut people can come on here and have a whole thread devoted to an illegal drug? if thats not partiality I dont know what is

freedom of speech? if you don't like it GTFO or don't read it?

:eek:

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

Omfg another weed thread...Seriously...Do you pot heads have nothing else to do but create one every month??? All of us level head people get it...You love weed and you think its wonderful..point taken...No ones ever going to change your mind about the fact that you think its the best thing ever created so I wont bother and any other adult on here shouldnt either.....I would like to ask a question to the mods though...You cant post nude pics on here because the site is easily accessible to children and it is illegal forpeople under the age of 18 to view it(yea I know they do but thats not my point)...you also cantuse any curse words forw.e reasonbut people can come on here and have a whole thread devoted to and illegal drug? if thats not partiality I dont know what is
+100000000000

i never understand that either....weed is an illegal narcotic...i know tons of people in rehab...i'm just glad not everyone on here is a pothead...you'll never catch me on that ****...the original question was why weed is illegal...not "how wonderful is weed?" weed is illegal...nuff said...maybe one day it wont be and we'll have a soceity of stoned out zombies...but for now it is what it is...and it is illegal

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

freedom of speech? if you don't like it GTFO or don't read it?

:eek:




Its a public thread ass**** its not like its some private discussion...And if you read the site rules it clearly breaks them

the original question was WHY its illegal, not IF it was illegal.

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

Its a public thread ass**** its not like its some private discussion...And if you read the site rules it clearly breaks them


you just broke a site rule by calling me a name. like said before, you decide to click on this thread yourself. no one made you do it. BTW which rule does this thread break?

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

the original question was WHY its illegal, not IF it was illegal.


We allll the its illegal...Period...Who cares why? Lets face it the pot heads coming on here to read why wont be able to comprehendhalf of whats said.....and it breaks the site rules by having a topic about it...If it was 1 or even 2 I wouldnt say s*** but its every month now..Give me a break

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

the original question was WHY its illegal, not IF it was illegal.


We allll the its illegal...Period...Who cares why? Lets face it the pot heads coming on here to read why wont be able to comprehendhalf of whats said.....and it breaks the site rules by having a topic about it...If it was 1 or even 2 I wouldnt say s*** but its every month now..Give me a break


all i'm reading here is a failure to provide a decent answer to my question. you keep saying it breaks site rules...what rules?

this is the one you broke when you called me an ass****. take a dose of your own medicine.

2. While debating and discussion is fine, respect your fellow enthusiasts. Being of a diverse background, members are likely to express different opinions, and while opinions may differ from yours, they are just that, opinions; and everyone is entitled to express theirs freely. We will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, or personal attacks. Do not flame, bother, bug, disrespect, hound or taunt ANYONE on the forums or through private messaging or chat room. If we feel a thread is getting out of hand we will close or delete it. You can/will lose your posting privileges if you continue this type of behavior.

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Its a public thread ass**** its not like its some private discussion...And if you read the site rules it clearly breaks them


you just broke a site rule by calling me a name. like said before, you decide to click on this thread yourself. no one made you do it. BTW which rule does this thread break?





BTW look around the "name calling" on this site is ridiculous so excuse me for name calling when it was a more then appropriate time for it(unlike 90% of the other people who do)....And its against the rules because it contains illegal content

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

Its a public thread ass**** its not like its some private discussion...And if you read the site rules it clearly breaks them


you just broke a site rule by calling me a name. like said before, you decide to click on this thread yourself. no one made you do it. BTW which rule does this thread break?





BTW look around the "name calling" on this site is ridiculous so excuse me for name calling when it was a more then appropriate time for it(unlike 90% of the other people who do)....And its against the rules because it contains illegal content


what makes it appropriate exactly, the fact that i have a different opinion?

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Its a public thread ass**** its not like its some private discussion...And if you read the site rules it clearly breaks them


you just broke a site rule by calling me a name. like said before, you decide to click on this thread yourself. no one made you do it. BTW which rule does this thread break?





BTW look around the "name calling" on this site is ridiculous so excuse me for name calling when it was a more then appropriate time for it(unlike 90% of the other people who do)....And its against the rules because it contains illegal content


what makes it appropriate exactly, the fact that i have a different opinion?



Its appropriate because thats exactly what you were being....And My "opinion" does not conflict with the law of the country I live in

I'm sorry simplex, but 99GTvert is right, having a thread about pot or any other drug is not prohibited anywhere in the rules[&:]

also please keep the personal attacks to a minimun, the both of you

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weed sucks...its an illegal drug...i give a pothead as much respect as i give a crackhead....if cocaine is the aids of the drug world then weed is the herpes...nuff said

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I'm sorry simplex, but 99GTvert is right, having a thread about pot or any other drug is not prohibited anywhere in the rules[&:]

also please keep the personal attacks to a minimun, the both of you



Ok so I guess we should all come on here and talk about Child porn? Or Rape? Maybe Coke? Oh and let me guess you smoke right? lol Your 1mod on mustang site..Im sure the other moderators who dont smokewould disagree with your statement

please, show me in The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) where it explicitly says there are no threads about drugs allowed.... if you can, i will retract my statement

also, whether or not i have smoked is irrevelant to the discussion

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ORIGINAL: Joolander

I'm sorry simplex, but 99GTvert is right, having a thread about pot or any other drug is not prohibited anywhere in the rules[&:]

also please keep the personal attacks to a minimun, the both of you



Ok so I guess we should all come on here and talk about Child porn? Or Rape? Maybe Coke? Oh and let me guess you smoke right? lol Your 1mod on mustang site..Im sure the other moderators who dont smokewould disagree with your statement



somebody correct me if im wrong (cuz i know you will) but isnt this a DISCUSSION forum? you come here to DISCUSS things? legal or otherwise?

fkin grow up..

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

Ok so I guess we should all come on here and talk about Child porn? Or Rape? Maybe Coke?

awesome point...cause the cokeheads say all the same things about their drug of choice that the weed heads do

coke came from a plant
coke used to be legal
coke used to be medicinal
coke even used to be a mainstream ingrediantin soda


a junkie is a junkie

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please, show me in The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) where it explicitly says there are no threads about drugs allowed.... if you can, i will retract my statement

also, whether or not i have smoked is irrevelant to the discussion








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I'm sorry simplex, but 99GTvert is right, having a thread about pot or any other drug is not prohibited anywhere in the rules[&:]

also please keep the personal attacks to a minimun, the both of you



Ok so I guess we should all come on here and talk about Child porn? Or Rape? Maybe Coke? Oh and let me guess you smoke right? lol Your 1mod on mustang site..Im sure the other moderators who dont smokewould disagree with your statement



somebody correct me if im wrong (cuz i know you will) but isnt this a DISCUSSION forum? you come here to DISCUSS things? legal or otherwise?

fkin grow up..
personally i dont mind discussing it...i just get peeved by guys who swear its so wonderful...hell we even have one yahoo saying how it makes him drive better...friggin hilarious

ORIGINAL: Joolander

please, show me in The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) where it explicitly says there are no threads about drugs allowed.... if you can, i will retract my statement

also, whether or not i have smoked is irrevelant to the discussion




And lol The fact that your a stoner has everything to do with the discussion being that the discussion is about a drug that you support

debating the rules with a mod isnt going to go your way dude...lol

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ORIGINAL: ImpOnFire

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: Joolander

I'm sorry simplex, but 99GTvert is right, having a thread about pot or any other drug is not prohibited anywhere in the rules[&:]

also please keep the personal attacks to a minimun, the both of you



Ok so I guess we should all come on here and talk about Child porn? Or Rape? Maybe Coke? Oh and let me guess you smoke right? lol Your 1mod on mustang site..Im sure the other moderators who dont smokewould disagree with your statement



somebody correct me if im wrong (cuz i know you will) but isnt this a DISCUSSION forum? you come here to DISCUSS things? legal or otherwise?

fkin grow up..
personally i dont mind discussing it...i just get peeved by guys who swear its so wonderful...hell we even have one yahoo saying how it makes him drive better...friggin hilarious


well yeahh exactly.. that was more for the'tard with their panties in a twistthat is having an issue with the discussion..

that yahoo makes me giggle.. its like i drive better drunk..duh.. ****.. my car even grows fkin wings and armour! i gots me a goddam force field around my shyt when after like.. 6 shots.. pffft.. who needs pot wheni got that ??!

"Moderators and Administrators have final word in anything and everything."

^^ means YOU LOSE!!!

ORIGINAL: brian1570

ive driven stoned basically every time ive gotten stoned, and it makes me drive PERFECT. it has never altered my perception in a way that would keep me from driving or performing any task really, IMO there is no reason that pot should be illegal. u cant OD on it u cant get poisoning from it like alcohol, in normal form the worst u can do is smoke yourself sick. u might throw up but u r still functioning. and ive only seen something like that happen once. worst case scenario, u get high, go to sleep and wake up drowzy.


^^^^^^ this statement sent me through the roof...it is the dumbest ****ing thing i've ever read...and what will happen is some young kid will read that and say hey...let me try it......then letting that ridiculous statement stand will lead to some kid trying it and hitting someone...and then spending his life in jail when his blood test comes back positive...this statement deserves some kinda condemnation from the masses

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: Joolander

please, show me in The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) where it explicitly says there are no threads about drugs allowed.... if you can, i will retract my statement

also, whether or not i have smoked is irrevelant to the discussion








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"Trolls or Trolling", "Flames" and/or "Board Wars" are not tolerated here or elsewhere. Posts that taunt or are otherwise inflammatory against other sites will be removed. Also, anyone found to be making inflammatory posts and remarks on other forums (starting Flame/Board Wars) can and will loose their posting privileges here. This rule also applies to those that, for whatever reason, feel a need to post negative remarks about this site on other forums. If you do, don't expect to be welcome here.( what the pot thread ALWAYS TURN INTO)[/align][/align][/align][/align]



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as fo rule 1, the staff (which incldes the mods) get to decide whether or not drugs are up for discussion, and most of us do not feel it falls in the same category as pornography, racial epithets, or nudity

for rule 3, we dont disallow a post because of what it might turn into. we let it play out, and if it breaks the rules, we deal with it as necessary

and rule 10, no one here said anything about any transactions, legal or otherwise, nor were any drug sites dicussed or linked to



if you don't like the way we run the site, I'm sure there are many other sites that would welcome you

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

debating the rules with a mod isnt going to go your way dude...lol


lol its w.e if it was an admin it would be a different story but I will be damned if I am going to listen to a f ing mod tell me its ok to post illegal things just because its his illegal thing of choice

illegal. hah!
in 2005 the citizens of denver voted to make the possession of up to one ounce of cannabis LEGAL.
13(i believe it is...) states have LEGALized marijuana for medicinal use, and guess what, it is prescribed to people, by doctors.


go back to my links post and read the shafer commission, learn yourself about the controlled substances act and then ask yourself.....exactly why is marijuana illegal¿

ORIGINAL: Joolander

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: Joolander

please, show me in The Rules (http://www.mustangforums.com/rules.asp) where it explicitly says there are no threads about drugs allowed.... if you can, i will retract my statement

also, whether or not i have smoked is irrevelant to the discussion








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"Trolls or Trolling", "Flames" and/or "Board Wars" are not tolerated here or elsewhere. Posts that taunt or are otherwise inflammatory against other sites will be removed. Also, anyone found to be making inflammatory posts and remarks on other forums (starting Flame/Board Wars) can and will loose their posting privileges here. This rule also applies to those that, for whatever reason, feel a need to post negative remarks about this site on other forums. If you do, don't expect to be welcome here.( what the pot thread ALWAYS TURN INTO)[/align][/align][/align][/align]



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as fo rule 1, the staff (which incldes the mods) get to decide whether or not drugs are up for discussion, and most of us do not feel it falls in the same category as pornography, racial epithets, or nudity

for rule 3, we dont disallow a post because of what it might turn into. we let it play out, and if it breaks the rules, we deal with it as necessary

and rule 10, no one here said anything about any transactions, legal or otherwise, nor were any drug sites dicussed or linked to



if you don't like the way we run the site, I'm sure there are many other sites that would welcome you






haha an addict will always try to justify is wrongful actions...lol "we" I like how you act like all the other mods and admins will back you on this....I will be speaking with HC and see what he has to say about the whole thing..Since you know he ATCUALLY has a say on whats posted on the site unlike you

ORIGINAL: simplexdesign

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

debating the rules with a mod isnt going to go your way dude...lol

I will be damned if I am going to listen to a f ing mod


then get the **** out and dont let the close button hit you on the way out.

if your really so damn offended by all this.. why are you even here? you gonna picket or something? c'mon guy.. you say these threads ALWAYS turn out like this.. maybe its cuz its idiots like you that turn them that way

ok, you talk to HC

in the meantime, i'll sit here and pretend to give a crap

if you have a problem, gladly take it up with me.

this thread was alright with the exception of one/some toolbags who arent going to be named.

Wow and to think the thread was going to be locked like it should be....

"this thread was alright with the exception of one/some toolbags who arent going to be named."
Are we name calling?????
Another stoner mod? Shocker....And to ImpOnFire they turn out like this because its a mustang website not a website about drugs...And while yes it is the O/T section its still I mustang site and alot of people dont want to see the threads...If it was one or 2 even 3 it would be w.e but there are new ones all the time...

I vote that simplexdesign should go f*ck himself right in the ass.

In fact, I'm voting for banning the asshat.

banning the guy for disagreeing? that would be kind of a bitch move... right or wrong?

he needs to calm down and get the bull's scrotum out of his ass.

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

banning the guy for disagreeing? that would be kind of a bitch move... right or wrong?


no, banning the guy for thinking he should tell moderators how to moderate. show me where the moderators show you douchebags how to be douchebags. we don't tell you guys how to do your thing, so why do you people think you should tell us how to do our thing?

I love how he posts in the thread about bangbros, and doesn't give two ****s about being offended, but start talking about the crooked legalities in this country, and he freaks out. the little turdmonkey can't even buy a beer.

Well, back to the weed question. I really don't know why weed is illegal. There are many a study that proove its usefullness to the human body. I also think that if weed was legalized and they taxed its purchase in certified marijuana department stores (haha, "WEED - MART"). That the government would save tons of money and wouldn't have to worry about spending tons of money on the DEA, just to bust people wanting to get the munchies.

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

banning the guy for disagreeing? that would be kind of a bitch move... right or wrong?


no, banning the guy for thinking he should tell moderators how to moderate. show me where the moderators show you douchebags how to be douchebags. we don't tell you guys how to do your thing, so why do you people think you should tell us how to do our thing?

I love how he posts in the thread about bangbros, and doesn't give two ****s about being offended, but start talking about the crooked legalities in this country, and he freaks out. the little turdmonkey can't even buy a beer.

well do your thing then...push the button, paisano

Wow name calling is against the rules? Look at the rule breaking now...And from mods...haha Ban? because I disagree with having illegal content on a site that a take pride in being apart of? Calm down because I simply stated its not necessary to have illegal content on here esp this frequently...

ORIGINAL: travc2121

Well, back to the weed question. I really don't know why weed is illegal. There are many a study that proove its usefullness to the human body. I also think that if weed was legalized and they taxed its purchase in certified marijuana department stores (haha, "WEED - MART"). That the government would save tons of money and wouldn't have to worry about spending tons of money on the DEA, just to bust people wanting to get the munchies.


so weed just gives ya the munchies
coke makes ya wanna run around the block a few times
heroin makes ya wanna fall asleep
pcp makes you wanna juggle cars (and cops)

i guess theyre all good

Wow name calling is against the rules? Look at the rule breaking now...And from mods...haha Ban? because I disagree with having illegal content on a site that a take pride in being apart of? Calm down because I simply stated its not necessary to have illegal content on here esp this frequently...

double post

consider yourself gone.

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

ORIGINAL: travc2121

Well, back to the weed question. I really don't know why weed is illegal. There are many a study that proove its usefullness to the human body. I also think that if weed was legalized and they taxed its purchase in certified marijuana department stores (haha, "WEED - MART"). That the government would save tons of money and wouldn't have to worry about spending tons of money on the DEA, just to bust people wanting to get the munchies.


so weed just gives ya the munchies
coke makes ya wanna run around the block a few times
heroin makes ya wanna fall asleep
pcp makes you wanna juggle cars (and cops)

i guess theyre all good


don't forget beer.

ORIGINAL: travc2121

Well, back to the weed question. I really don't know why weed is illegal. There are many a study that proove its usefullness to the human body. I also think that if weed was legalized and they taxed its purchase in certified marijuana department stores (haha, "WEED - MART"). That the government would save tons of money and wouldn't have to worry about spending tons of money on the DEA, just to bust people wanting to get the munchies.


i agree

it would also help relieve the prison overcrowding

heres what would happen if they legalize weed....every weed dealer from east to west would lace their stuff with every hard drug they can find...cause once weed goes legal theres gonna be a whole lotta hungry dealers out there and they are gonna need to hold onto their customers somehow...its only logical

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

heres what would happen if they legalize weed....every weed dealer from east to west would lace their stuff with every hard drug they can find...cause once weed goes legal theres gonna be a whole lotta hungry dealers out there and they are gonna need to hold onto their customers somehow...its only logical



you have got to be ****ting me.

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

heres what would happen if they legalize weed....every weed dealer from east to west would lace their stuff with every hard drug they can find...cause once weed goes legal theres gonna be a whole lotta hungry dealers out there and they are gonna need to hold onto their customers somehow...its only logical


crystal ball much??




Drug prohibition does more to make Americans unsafe than any other factor. Just as alcohol prohibition gave us Al Capone and the mafia, drug prohibition has given us the Crips, the Bloods and drive-by shootings. Consider the historical evidence: America's murder rate rose nearly 70% during alcohol prohibition, but returned to its previous levels after prohibition ended. Now, since the War on Drugs began, America's murder rates have doubled. The cause/effect relationship is clear. Prohibition is putting innocent lives at risk.

What's more, drug prohibition also inflates the cost of drugs, leading users to steal to support their high priced habits. It is estimated that drug addicts commit 25% of all auto thefts, 40% of robberies and assaults, and 50% of burglaries and larcenies. Prohibition puts your property at risk. Finally, nearly one half of all police resources are devoted to stopping drug trafficking, instead of preventing violent crime. The bottom line? By ending drug prohibition Libertarians would double the resources available for crime prevention, and significantly reduce the number of violent criminals at work in your neighborhood.

i honestly think a lot less people would do it if it was legal. i think the amount of "first-timers" would increase dramatically, but i think the overall demographic # of addicts and "enthusiasts" would go down. people are just naturally drawn to doing stuff that is against the law out of curiosity and "thrill".

marijuana will be legal in the short future. All it takes is public awareness. Once the old farts die off and more people realize its the most harmless intoxicating substance on this planet it will be legal.

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

marijuana will be legal in the short future. All it takes is public awareness. Once the old farts die off and more people realize its the most harmless intoxicating substance on this planet it will be legal.
cough bull**** cough....you are right on one point...it will be legal soon...as for lacing the weed with hard ****...dont be so naive to think that doesnt happen...it happens more than you know....

I have seen some very very ignorant posting in this thread. To reiterate one rule of the board-- respect the staff that volunteers their time here which keeps this board up and running for the members. This rule is non negotiable and will get you banned. Thanks and have a nice day :)

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

marijuana will be legal in the short future. All it takes is public awareness. Once the old farts die off and more people realize its the most harmless intoxicating substance on this planet it will be legal.
cough bull**** cough....you are right on one point...it will be legal soon...as for lacing the weed with hard ****...dont be so naive to think that doesnt happen...it happens more than you know....


do you know this because of your in-depth and first-hand involvement in the underground world of people who sell the weed and the hard drugs they like to give away for free? I find it funny that people who do actually have experience with buying weed don't think this happens very often.

But let's just say that pcp-laced pot actually is a regular occurance. how is this different than saying beer is dangerous because you heard about a girl getting roofied? it's not even something related to the substance in question. you can lace nasal spray with acid, but that doesn't make the nasal spray dangerous. nobody is saying you should smoke weed if you don't want to, just like nobody makes you drink beer because it is legal. there are plenty of people who don't like alcohol, they simply don't drink. why is it so bad to let people do what they want to do, especially when it doesn't affect you in any way.

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

marijuana will be legal in the short future. All it takes is public awareness. Once the old farts die off and more people realize its the most harmless intoxicating substance on this planet it will be legal.
cough bull**** cough....you are right on one point...it will be legal soon...as for lacing the weed with hard ****...dont be so naive to think that doesnt happen...it happens more than you know....


do you know this because of your in-depth and first-hand involvement in the underground world of people who sell the weed and the hard drugs they like to give away for free? I find it funny that people who do actually have experience with buying weed don't think this happens very often.

But let's just say that pcp-laced pot actually is a regular occurance. how is this different than saying beer is dangerous because you heard about a girl getting roofied? it's not even something related to the substance in question. you can lace nasal spray with acid, but that doesn't make the nasal spray dangerous. nobody is saying you should smoke weed if you don't want to, just like nobody makes you drink beer because it is legal. there are plenty of people who don't like alcohol, they simply don't drink. why is it so bad to let people do what they want to do, especially when it doesn't affect you in any way.



actuallyi do know many people and i do have an in depth and first hand knowledge of this...its not pcp though... i know that some lace it with coke...absolute positive fact....i get around in every circle...largely the reason i dont use that ****...look i'm not the other guy...its not my holy mission to stop the discussion of weed...with the exception of the asshat who said he drives EVERYTIME he gets high i dont have a problem with anything discussed here...but yeah i get around in every circle so i'm not talking out my ass...take it or leave it

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

heres what would happen if they legalize weed....every weed dealer from east to west would lace their stuff with every hard drug they can find...cause once weed goes legal theres gonna be a whole lotta hungry dealers out there and they are gonna need to hold onto their customers somehow...its only logical


how does this help them hold on to their customers? you think somebody who wanted some herb is gonna be happy that he smoked angel dust?

I think you've smoked too much pot and now you are delusional and paranoid and your logic doesn't make sense. [&:]

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

ORIGINAL: 2GKT5

marijuana will be legal in the short future. All it takes is public awareness. Once the old farts die off and more people realize its the most harmless intoxicating substance on this planet it will be legal.
cough bull**** cough....you are right on one point...it will be legal soon...as for lacing the weed with hard ****...dont be so naive to think that doesnt happen...it happens more than you know....


do you know this because of your in-depth and first-hand involvement in the underground world of people who sell the weed and the hard drugs they like to give away for free? I find it funny that people who do actually have experience with buying weed don't think this happens very often.

But let's just say that pcp-laced pot actually is a regular occurance. how is this different than saying beer is dangerous because you heard about a girl getting roofied? it's not even something related to the substance in question. you can lace nasal spray with acid, but that doesn't make the nasal spray dangerous. nobody is saying you should smoke weed if you don't want to, just like nobody makes you drink beer because it is legal. there are plenty of people who don't like alcohol, they simply don't drink. why is it so bad to let people do what they want to do, especially when it doesn't affect you in any way.



actuallyi do know many people and i do have an in depth and first hand knowledge of this...its not pcp though... i know that some lace it with coke...absolute positive fact....i get around in every circle...largely the reason i dont use that ****...look i'm not the other guy...its not my holy mission to stop the discussion of weed...with the exception of the asshat who said he drives EVERYTIME he gets high i dont have a problem with anything discussed here...but yeah i get around in every circle so i'm not talking out my ass...take it or leave it


how do you explain the fact that everybody who has ever smoked weed disagrees with you? [&:]

I can't even explain how stupid this idea is of lacing weed with more expensive drugs that have completely different physiological effects. it's painfully obvious you are making things up. "I get around in every circle". yeah, sure you do.

hmmm, this thread is funny [8D]

I've smoked weed but once in my life and never touched it again.. it was relaxing and made me studder... but in the end it wasn't for me

IMO I think it should be legalized and I don't even smoke it, there is nno real danger of the stuff... and that gateway drug crap is stupid... that's like saying water is the gateway liquid to alcohol

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

actuallyi do know many people and i do have an in depth and first hand knowledge of this...its not pcp though... i know that some lace it with coke...absolute positive fact....i get around in every circle...largely the reason i dont use that ****...look i'm not the other guy...its not my holy mission to stop the discussion of weed...with the exception of the asshat who said he drives EVERYTIME he gets high i dont have a problem with anything discussed here...but yeah i get around in every circle so i'm not talking out my ass...take it or leave it


sorry to hear that thats how it workls in your neck of the woods, but its not like that most places. based on your experience, i can say i dont blame you for thinking that could happen. but in most areas, its a bit of a stretch to say most weed has been laced with anything except more weed

ORIGINAL: redass02gt

ORIGINAL: nghtrnnr

heres what would happen if they legalize weed....every weed dealer from east to west would lace their stuff with every hard drug they can find...cause once weed goes legal theres gonna be a whole