Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions

interesting way of asking for advice...

do we really need yet another $hit sturrer?

ORIGINAL: Swaie

So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions


There you go, this will get you some more replies. Welcome to the fourm, keep the camaro comments in the street/strip section. This is for S197's ONLY. We would be more than happy to help with ideas for your g/f's stang.

nice

this goes OFF topic, so you can learn to ask without bashing

haha...hey joo, there is a "useless posts" section too;)

i thought it waws the same thing?:D:D:D


no but really, the useless posts section is not in my list...:(

ls1 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
3v Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5


I still think it will be a drivers race even with your mods.

ls1 or not i'd still kick your ass in a fight

MOOOOOAAAAARRRRRRRRRR S197 IN OT


AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions


Wowie I want one of those....

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions



Ha lt1's are dogs

LS1> 5.0>4.6 4valve (not blown)>or=4.6 3 valve> lt1> 4.6 2 valve When it comes to mods responses

Where is there a 360hp shelby? I know of a 325/500/550/625 and 725, but no 360. And I know a LS1 with those mods wouldnt "dog walk" a 360hp S197.

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

ls1 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
3v Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5


I still think it will be a drivers race even with your mods.



hahaha i dont think a 2.73 geared auto vert would run a 13.7 thats like saying the ls1s have 310 HP[8D]

EEYYYEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!! MOAR S197 OT THREAD!!

put a supercharger on the GT then see if the cameariow can keep up LAL!

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveÂ*LT'sÂ*powerflo-xÂ*exhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions



you mean to tell me that a motor with more displacement is making more power?!!!! WTF WTF WTF NO WAY!

ORIGINAL: SXGT


ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions



you mean to tell me that a motor with more displacement is making more power?!!!! WTF WTF WTF NO WAY!


or that it made its appearance in the mid 90s and still holds a torch to newer cars TODAY?! [:o]

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: SXGT


ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveÂ*LT'sÂ*powerflo-xÂ*exhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions



you mean to tell me that a motor with more displacement is making more power?!!!! WTF WTF WTF NO WAY!


or that it made its appearance in the mid 90s and still holds a torch to newer cars TODAY?! [:o]




I refuse to believe that years of research money and development of power purpose built will lead to a prestige flagship engine with a reputation.

its just not going to happen.

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions


alright! way to bash us then ask us for help.

no. noone gives a **** about your camaro with LT's and slps... WHOA! im gonna crap my pantsss your car is soooo awesomeee..








your catfish is fugly gtfo.

LOOK @ ME LOOK @ ME....I JOINED TODAY TO TELL YOU THAT LS1'S>ALL


go to the back of the short bus and STFU!!!!

ORIGINAL: 07BLACKGT


noone gives a **** about your camaro with LT's and slps

everyone prior to me on page 1 are all complete idiots

ORIGINAL: NYstang

everyone prior to me on page 1 are all complete idiots



your only half an idiot? whats the other half then ?? hmmm? hmmMMMM????

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

ls1 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
3v Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5


I still think it will be a drivers race even with your mods.




that might happen when you pull up to someone who can't drive at all:eek:

the slowest time i've seen an LS1 run was a 13.4 (i know that people have gone slower with them)

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

ls1 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
3v Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8Â* 5.1 13.5


I still think it will be a drivers race even with your mods.




that might happen when you pull up to someone who can't drive at all:eek:

the slowest time i've seen an LS1 run was a 13.4 (i know that people have gone slower with them)



+1

I think he pulled those times right out of his ass..

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions


I boned your girlfriend in the back of that slow GT that you bought her.... :eek:

great way to bash the mustang. if you really want advice, you should probably be a little more mature about it.

1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

Why are the exhaust tips on Camaros always hanging lower than one another?

ORIGINAL: SXGT

1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6


ahahahahahahahahahaha



fag

ORIGINAL: Slicktastyk Matt

Why are the exhaust tips on Camaros always hanging lower than one another?


Maybe it's like one nut that hangs lower than the other?[:o]

ORIGINAL: mustangcat

ORIGINAL: Slicktastyk Matt

Why are the exhaust tips on Camaros always hanging lower than one another?


Maybe it's like one nut that hangs lower than the other?[:o]



those cars dont have balls LAWL ALWL ALLOLOLlololololoLO!L!OL!OL!O!LO!LO!L!OL! :eek:

I thought it was just because I might have gotten kicked harder in the left nut than the right one day....:eek:

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: SXGT

1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6


ahahahahahahahahahaha






fag



+1

What a ****tard...:D

Out my ass!
1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS-350 8.0 15.4
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1 5.3 11.68 (Book:Ultimate Performance Cars '05)
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Budget GT 10.5 17.6
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Luxury GT 9.8 17.2
1972 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 7.5 15.5
1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro 350 11.0 17.4
1975 Chevrolet Camaro RS 8.5 16.8
1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 9.7 N/A
1983 Chevrolet Camaro 9.5 17.5
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 H.O. 6.7 15.0
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 9.3 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta 10.0 17.0
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28 7.0 15.2
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 6.6 14.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z L98 6.8 15.3
1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 7.0 15.5
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 5.8 14.4
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

1964 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 w/4spd) 7.5 15.7
1966 Ford Mustang (289ci V8 Auto) 10.9 17.9
1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6
1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8
1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3
1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8
1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4
1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5
1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7
1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 6.5 14.9 (C&D Feb '70)
1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 5.8 13.8
2001 Ford Mustang Bullitt GT 5.6 14.1 (MT 01)
1980 Ford Mustang (255ci) 11.8 18.5
1980 Ford Mustang Cobra (225ci) 11.3 18.4
1981 Ford Mustang M81 McLaren (2.3L Turbo) 9.7 17.3
1982 Ford Mustang GT 8.0 N/A
1984 Ford Mustang SVO 7.9 15.8
1985 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.9 (C&D, Jan. 85)
1987 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 14.4 (Automobile, April 87)
1988 Ford Mustang GT 6.4 15.0 (MT Jan '88)
1989 Ford Mustang GT 5.0l Manual 6.2 14.8 (MT Jan '89)
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.4 14.9
1991 Ford Mustang GT 7.3 15.6
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0 6.2 14.8
1993 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.9 14.5
1993 Ford Mustang GT (auto) 8.0 16.1
1994 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1994 Ford Mustang GT 6.1 14.9 (C&D Dec '93)
1995 Ford Mustang 3.8 9.9 17.3
1995 Ford Mustang Cobra R 5.2 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra 5.4 14.0
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 14.0
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 5.4 13.9
1999 Ford Mustang Convertible V6 8.6 16.5
1999 Ford Mustang GT 5.5 14.1
2001 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.8 13.5
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.4 (MM&FF (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0611_cobra_vs_shelby_gt500/index.html))
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2005 Ford Mustang GT V-6 6.9 15.3 (C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/9028/ford-mustang-v-6.html) Feb '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5 (MT Jan '05)
2005 Ford Mustang GT Convertible 5.2 13.8 (MT Apr '05)
2001FordMustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 5.7 13.9
1969 Ford Mustang Mach 1 428ci 5.7 14.3 (C&D Nov '68)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (5 Speed) 4.713.2 (MT Feb '05)
2003 Ford Mustang Mach 1 (Auto) 5.6 13.88 (MT Apr '04)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 5.0 13.6 (MT Online (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0704_2007_ford_shelby_gt/index.html))
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 4.5 12.9 (R&T (http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=6&article_id=3086&page_numb er=3) Jan '06)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT-H 5.3 13.9 (C&D (http://www.caranddriver.com/features/11756/2007-ford-mustang-shelby-gt-h-rental-car-challenge-page2.html) Nov '06)



Suck monkey deyack!

You obviously know nothing about cars...magazine racer.

The LS1 fbody is a low mid 13 second car. The S197 is a mid to high 13 second car.

Here is a stock Camaro pass with 13.40 @ 109.5 w/ a 2.33 60 ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNUqfjSzOY


You dragtimes.com guys always crack me up...:D

Wow, another LS1 guy comes on here and says his car is faster (which it is), so then you guys start making fun of F-bodies? Way to play at his game and make all of you look like dumbasses (with a few exceptions, of course)

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

You obviously know nothing about cars...magazine racer.

The LS1 fbody is a low mid 13 second car. The S197 is a mid to high 13 second car.

Here is a stock Camaro pass with 13.40 @ 109.5 w/ a 2.33 60 ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNUqfjSzOY


You dragtimes.com guys always crack me up...:D




Where does it say it is stock. The vid is so dark how do we know what type of tires are on it or any of the mods for that matter.

My source info! (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html)

No wonder Mustangers hate fbods. Everyone should stop causing sh1t and stop trying to prove who is better.

Your body is made up of many muscles, not just one. Stop being such a fanboy and like all cars. (This goes to whoever it needs to go to)

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

ORIGINAL: MrRogers

You obviously know nothing about cars...magazine racer.

The LS1 fbody is a low mid 13 second car. The S197 is a mid to high 13 second car.

Here is a stock Camaro pass with 13.40 @ 109.5 w/ a 2.33 60 ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNUqfjSzOY


You dragtimes.com guys always crack me up...:D




Where does it say it is stock. The vid is so dark how do we know what type of tires are on it or any of the mods for that matter.



OMG!!!

You think it takes mods to run a 13.4 in a LS1 fbody??

Seriously..

Besides the upper right hand side of the video says...


"my buddies stock 2002 Z/28 running at SAR on 11/16/07 "

With a 2.33 60ft, you question his tires? Wow...:eek:


Only horrible drivers run high 13s in LS1 Camaros

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

My source info! (http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html)


A quote from your source..


"When viewing this list, please keep in mind that day to day testing conditions are not always perfect (or even consistent) due to weather and track conditions! The results that "the experts" have provided may NOT reflect what your car is capable of doing under your conditions. This list is only meant to be a guideline, NOT THE GOSPEL!!! "

In other words, the numbers from your source, are not entirely credible..:D

I am not arguing for one side or the other. All I am saying that there is not a major difference between a stock ls1 and the stock 3v 4.6 and it would come down to the driver, that's all.

lulllzzzz

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

I am not arguing for one side or the other. All I am saying that there is not a major difference between a stock ls1 and the stock 3v 4.6 and it would come down to the driver, that's all.
Those of us that actually go the track know better than to think a LS1 is a 13.7 car. Plese refrain from being a magazine racer. TommyV8 who is a member of this very forum has run a I beleive a 13.3 in his bone stock LS1 Camaro.

ORIGINAL: JD1969

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

I am not arguing for one side or the other. All I am saying that there is not a major difference between a stock ls1 and the stock 3v 4.6 and it would come down to the driver, that's all.
Those of us that actually go the track know better than to think a LS1 is a 13.7 car. Plese refrain from being a magazine racer. TommyV8 who is a member of this very forum has run a I beleive a 13.3 in his bone stock LS1 Camaro.


keyword

ORIGINAL: JD1969

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

I am not arguing for one side or the other. All I am saying that there is not a major difference between a stock ls1 and the stock 3v 4.6 and it would come down to the driver, that's all.
Those of us that actually go the track know better than to think a LS1 is a 13.7 car. Plese refrain from being a magazine racer. TommyV8 who is a member of this very forum has run a I beleive a 13.3 in his bone stock LS1 Camaro.


Didn't his g/fs stock camaro do better than that?

The fastest a stock LS1 has been known to run is a 12.9....(just pointing that out...)

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/common_sense_god_damn_super_power.jpg

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

http://www.joeydevilla.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/common_sense_god_damn_super_power.jpg


Who needs a track when we can all rely on your magazine times?

ORIGINAL: SXGT

1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.5 15.0
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 6.7 15.2
1993 Chevrolet Camaro V-6 9.0 16.6
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6


SO MUCH MIS-INFORMATION[:@]

So one out of how many were made runs a 12.9? I never said that they strickly run that time posted above. I think you are misunderstanding what I am typing. There is no doubt I would choose the ls1 engine over a 4.6(3v). It is a better platform to build from IMO. I don't even have the 3v, mine is a 2v and I know it will get raped by an ls1. I think they are about equally matched stock for stock. A couple of tenths of a second is not going to be a major difference on these cars. There is only like 10hp and 20lbs of tq difference betweent the two. Not sure on the weight of each car.

stock 5.7 ls1=drivers race=stock 4.6(3v)

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

So one out of how many were made runs a 12.9? I never said that they strickly run that time posted above. I think you are misunderstanding what I am typing. There is no doubt I would choose the ls1 engine over a 4.6(3v). It is a better platform to build from IMO. I don't even have the 3v, mine is a 2v and I know it will get raped by an ls1. I think they are about equally matched stock for stock. A couple of tenths of a second is not going to be a major difference on these cars. There is only like 10hp and 20lbs of tq difference betweent the two. Not sure on the weight of each car.

stock 5.7 ls1=drivers race=stock 4.6(3v)


i hope you realize that the LS1 was underrated in the F-Bodies. ALL LS1's made around 350hp at the crank, no matter what GM claimed.:eek:

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

So one out of how many were made runs a 12.9? I never said that they strickly run that time posted above. I think you are misunderstanding what I am typing. There is no doubt I would choose the ls1 engine over a 4.6(3v). It is a better platform to build from IMO. I don't even have the 3v, mine is a 2v and I know it will get raped by an ls1. I think they are about equally matched stock for stock. A couple of tenths of a second is not going to be a major difference on these cars. There is only like 10hp and 20lbs of tq difference betweent the two. Not sure on the weight of each car.

stock 5.7 ls1=drivers race=stock 4.6(3v) Â*



Since you don't he a LS1 or S197, haven't taken either to the track, rely on magazines and websites who even say their own times are not credible, I don't think you are qualified to say the two cars are evenly matched.

Mainly because they are not.

Equal drivers, LS1 fbody > S197

Equal drivers, SVT Cobra > LS1 Fbody


I can't make this any easier for you..

I am not putting professional driver's in the seat, just normal driver's that may see the track once a year.

lulz

i have been thoroughly entertained by this thread

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

I am not putting professional driver's in the seat, just normal driver's that may see the track once a year.


Again...

Equal drivers....LS1 Fbody > S197

There is no such thing as equal drivers.

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

There is no such thing as equal drivers.


Okay..

2 automatics...gas pressed down at the same time....

LS1 Fbody > S197

ORIGINAL: Joolander

lulz

i have been thoroughly entertained by this thread



agreed:D

http://www.unknownscreenwriter.com/images/read-between-the-lines.jpg

This is not a threat or anything but thought it would be funny to add to the thread.

ORIGINAL: MrRogers


ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

There is no such thing as equal drivers.


Okay..

2 automatics...gas pressed down at the same time....

LS1 Fbody > S197



but do they have the same tires at the same psiand are the lanes prepped the exact same way[8D]is one aconvertable:D

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

ORIGINAL: JD1969

ORIGINAL: klfutrelle

I am not arguing for one side or the other. All I am saying that there is not a major difference between a stock ls1 and the stock 3v 4.6 and it would come down to the driver, that's all.
Those of us that actually go the track know better than to think a LS1 is a 13.7 car. Plese refrain from being a magazine racer. TommyV8 who is a member of this very forum has run a I beleive a 13.3 in his bone stock LS1 Camaro.


keyword

Listen numbnuts, I said BELEIVE because I am not sure if it was his car or his g/f's, they both have LS1's. Your not going to win this argument, you might as well start researching REAL WORLD TIMES, not magazine BS times.

There are a handful of drivers who have piloted stock LS1 F bods to high 12's iirc(I could be wrong on this). No way a stock 3V is going to do that unless it's going downhill with a tailwind. I(and others here) still say pushrods>OHC because the money is better spent elswhere in engine development, and the LSx has proven that repeatedly over the last 10 years or so.

I'm curious though why some people always want to compare the LS1 to 4.6's an 5.0s. Wouldn't a more fair comparison be an LS1 vs a 347 or a 351W or a 5.4?

ORIGINAL: 67mustang302

There are a handful of drivers who have piloted stock LS1 F bods to high 12's iirc(I could be wrong on this). No way a stock 3V is going to do that unless it's going downhill with a tailwind. I(and others here) still say pushrods>OHC because the money is better spent elswhere in engine development, and the LSx has proven that repeatedly over the last 10 years or so.

I'm curious though why some people always want to compare the LS1 to 4.6's an 5.0s. Wouldn't a more fair comparison be an LS1 vs a 347 or a 351W or a 5.4?



i don't think many people would want to compare an LS1 to a truck motor[&:]

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: 67mustang302

There are a handful of drivers who have piloted stock LS1 F bods to high 12's iirc(I could be wrong on this). No way a stock 3V is going to do that unless it's going downhill with a tailwind. I(and others here) still say pushrods>OHC because the money is better spent elswhere in engine development, and the LSx has proven that repeatedly over the last 10 years or so.

I'm curious though why some people always want to compare the LS1 to 4.6's an 5.0s. Wouldn't a more fair comparison be an LS1 vs a 347 or a 351W or a 5.4?



i don't think many people would want to compare an LS1 to a truck motor[&:]



Ford offered the 351W(5.8L) in the 95 Cobra R. And though it was primarily a truck engine in production form, there are a lot of built up 351W's out there that are easily a match for equally built LS1's. I think Ford was dumb to not offer it in more Mustangs, but they prolly had their reasons.

ORIGINAL: Swaie

Okay, yes I am an LS1 owner. I have a z28. I understand the fact that the camaro's didn't out sell the mustang, but I don't really care about non of that. What I care about is the fact that my camaro with LT's, SLP lid will dog walk a 2005+ Mustang gt, even the 360hp Shelby with similar mods. I like the mustang, but the performance is suffering. So I bought a GT for my girlfriend. What mods respond well to the 3 valve, and how much horsepower does the stock clutch hold. I currently haveLT'spowerflo-xexhaust, CAI, and a custom Diablo tune. Any suggestions


Well First of all there is no 360 hp shelby
if you mean the Cobra..390 hp..i doubt you can walk one
and by Shleby, if you meant the 500 hp one..haha


oh and a stock 3v's cluth will strain with a supercharger.

the 3v responds well to all mods really.
CAI and Tune are good for about 25 RWHP+
Plus header and you got 300RWHP..or close to it.

I find it ****ing awesome that everyone that posted has bashed the other side of the fence, but no ones actually answered his question. :D:D:D:D:D Go MF!

CAI and a good tune buddy is what I've heard works magic.

;)

ORIGINAL: Ultimeas

I find it ****ing awesome that everyone that posted has bashed the other side of the fence, but no ones actually answered his question. :D:D:D:D:D Go MF!

CAI and a good tune buddy is what I've heard works magic.

;)

He does not deserve an answer.

ORIGINAL: JD1969

ORIGINAL: Ultimeas

I find it ****ing awesome that everyone that posted has bashed the other side of the fence, but no ones actually answered his question. :D:D:D:D:D Go MF!

CAI and a good tune buddy is what I've heard works magic.

;)

He does not deserve an answer.



exactly, thats why i sent it here ;)

Can't we all be nice?

You've just had an unsmooth moment.
http://www.coorsandco.com/istarimages/mp/C113!KTV01-197275_d.jpg
Keystone light... Always smooth, even when yooooooou're not.

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.

Can't we all appreciate Muscle? I guess I'm not oldschool like all you guys, but what's happening is a Civil war. Camaro vs Mustang nonsense. I don't know what the OP said really, but are we fogetting about K20 and B16 motors? Those are the bad guys! Wait till F&F4, we will be overrun!

maybe you should read the op, and keep in mind it was his first post ever on the forum

but i agree, respect muscle

ORIGINAL: Joolander

maybe you should read the op, and keep in mind it was his first post ever on the forum

but i agree, respect muscle



Agreed.
You see a Corvette, Chevelle, Camaro, Monte Carlo, Impala, G8, etc. give a wave and respect the american muscle.
You see a Dodge...Just laugh and keep on drivin'

Is dodge that bad? I think the charger/challenger were awesome cars. Even nowadays I'd love a 4 door srt8 charger.

ORIGINAL: SWATSCHOOL

Is dodge that bad? I think the charger/challenger were awesome cars. Even nowadays I'd love a 4 door srt8 charger.



If it wasn't for 3 reasons, I'd love Dodge, I might even be driving one right now.

1) Dodge uses fake Hemi engines. Ex. the 340ci Ram 1500 engine has 340 hp....that's 'horsepower per cubic inch' in a pushrod engine, they've been doing that for decades, I believe the Corvette Stingray with a 350 is the first to do it. Wheres the Hemi power?
2) Dodge uses Body on Frame instead of Unibody for their sports cars...Thats why they're soo heavy...They also have no crumble zone, which is a safety feature for Unibody style vehicles. Heavy + Unsafe = Fail for Sports Cars.
3) I've owned a 1996 Dodge Neon before...and I can't count the numbers of problems that damn thing gave me on three hands.

Other than those 3 beefs..They're ok.

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

You've just had an unsmooth moment.
http://www.coorsandco.com/istarimages/mp/C113!KTV01-197275_d.jpg
Keystone light... Always smooth, even when yooooooou're not.

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.



hell yeah keystone

wooooooooooooooooooooo

keystone is so gross. step up to something that has flavor.

WOW is this discussion SERIOUSLY going on in OFF-MOTHER-****ING-TOPIC????


holy ****!
this is a historic day!

ORIGINAL: boduke0220


Well First of all there is no 360 hp shelby
if you mean the Cobra..390 hp..i doubt you can walk one
and by Shleby, if you meant the 500 hp one..haha


oh and a stock 3v's cluth will strain with a supercharger.

the 3v responds well to all mods really.
CAI and Tune are good for about 25 RWHP+
Plus header and you got 300RWHP..or close to it.

Sorry dude, Stock 03 cobra I can beat, not walk. I'm talking about a1/2car.But the Shelby GT I can walk. And yes I agree... haha when it comes to the 500hp Shelby. Thanks for the info.

ORIGINAL: Joolander

maybe you should read the op, and keep in mind it was his first post ever on the forum

but i agree, respect muscle



Okay, it was my first post. I read a few other threads on this forum and noticed that everytime someone brings up an F-body everyone starts bashing. That's cool I understand that it is a Mustang site. But that put me a little on the defensive, and I knew as soon as I stated that I owned an F-body it would be no better. I payed both sides complements, leaning more toward the GM side, but I just need to know are there any other tips or tricksbesides FI to beat the Z28?

ORIGINAL: Swaie

ORIGINAL: Joolander

maybe you should read the op, and keep in mind it was his first post ever on the forum

but i agree, respect muscle



Okay, it was my first post. I read a few other threads on this forum and noticed that everytime someone brings up an F-body everyone starts bashing. That's cool I understand that it is a Mustang site. But that put me a little on the defensive, and I knew as soon as I stated that I owned an F-body it would be no better. I payed both sides complements, leaning more toward the GM side, but I just need to know are there any other tips or tricksbesides FI to beat the Z28?

Flaten his tires!(lol)
Well, there is an article by Texas Hotrods on how too get a 2v into the 12's on a budget.Link (http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2459394/tm.htm)
I imagine the 3v would do better with the same mods.

I never was bashing F-body cars. I love all types of muscle cars and all years. Sorry for hijacking your thread.

ORIGINAL: Swaie

ORIGINAL: Joolander

maybe you should read the op, and keep in mind it was his first post ever on the forum

but i agree, respect muscle



Okay, it was my first post. I read a few other threads on this forum and noticed that everytime someone brings up an F-body everyone starts bashing. That's cool I understand that it is a Mustang site. But that put me a little on the defensive, and I knew as soon as I stated that I owned an F-body it would be no better. I payed both sides complements, leaning more toward the GM side, but I just need to know are there any other tips or tricksbesides FI to beat the Z28?


Go to the street/strip section. There are lots of F-body guys there and you will find that there is a ton of respect for your type of car. You mention other than FI. Sure you can spend a ton of money to make a non-FI car fast, but, why wouldyou when FI on a Stang is so effective and cost efficient?

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.



the 351 was in the F100 before it ever even hit the Mustang

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.



the 351 was in the F100 before it ever even hit the Mustang



.......and?

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.



the 351 was in the F100 before it ever even hit the Mustang



.......and?



that's why i was saying it was a truck motor in my earlier post. that and the fact that you can find them quite regularly in older f-series trucks.

because you can find older f series trucks quite regularly too?!?! :D:D

older as in last gen -250's. also into the early 80's.

and yes, come to Sioux Falls. you'll see SO many older F-Series trucks, it's not even funny[&:]

around what decade were they introduced in the f100s?

i'm thinking it was around the early 60's or something like that. i'm not exactly sure. i know for sure that they were in the '82-'04 F-Series trucks.

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: 99GTvert

ORIGINAL: 1990CamaroRS

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

BTW, I think some of you are forgetting the 351 was originally in Mustangs back in the 60s. Check yourself on the "truck motor" comment.



the 351 was in the F100 before it ever even hit the Mustang



.......and?



that's why i was saying it was a truck motor in my earlier post. that and the fact that you can find them quite regularly in older f-series trucks.

So were GM's 454's, 427's and 350's they were all found in trucks, what's your point?

ORIGINAL: JD1969

So were GM's 454's, 427's and 350's they were all found in trucks, what's your point?



the 351W was given a very economic cam, not a real power-making cam in the F-Series trucks. and that's the way you're going to find a lot of them. i'm not saying that ALL the 351W motors were given that crappy cam, but a lot were. the 351-powered 'stangs were given a more performance oriented cam

Penguin

When I said early sixties, I was actually talking about the Cleveland. Who cares what cam the motor came with? Do you think a mustang owner with performance in mind leaves a stock cam in it? Do you need a Keystone Light too? http://www.coorsandco.com/istarimages/mp/C113!KTV01-197275_d.jpg
I smell an unsmooth moment.

ORIGINAL: boss_5pt0

When I said early sixties, I was actually talking about the Cleveland. Who cares what cam the motor came with? Do you think a mustang owner with performance in mind leaves a stock cam in it?


well there's too many people here who have just taken Windsor motors and stuffed them into Fox's and thought they were the greatest thing ever. they kept on forgetting that they had the old truck cam in there.

Just cuz some idiots think a stock 351W truck engine in a fox is badass doesn't mean that a 351W can't be turned into a fire breathing mofo. The point I was making was that everyone always wants to compare the 350 or LS1/2/3/6 to Ford's 4.6 or 5.0 engines, and it's not a fair comparison since the LS has the obvious displacement advantage, so of course it has the potential to make more power, and often will. Compare the LS to at least the 5.4, or better the 351W. The 351 vs LS is a WAY better comparison, they're both 90* V8 engines with similar displacement and pushrod valvetrains. Compare the LS7 to Ford's 427 or Chrysler's 426. A smaller engine can't be fairly compared to a larger engine unless it's given an advantage of i's own such as nitrous or a blower for instance.

ORIGINAL: 67mustang302

Just cuz some idiots think a stock 351W truck engine in a fox is badass doesn't mean that a 351W can't be turned into a fire breathing mofo. The point I was making was that everyone always wants to compare the 350 or LS1/2/3/6 to Ford's 4.6 or 5.0 engines, and it's not a fair comparison since the LS has the obvious displacement advantage, so of course it has the potential to make more power, and often will. Compare the LS to at least the 5.4, or better the 351W. The 351 vs LS is a WAY better comparison, they're both 90* V8 engines with similar displacement and pushrod valvetrains. Compare the LS7 to Ford's 427 or Chrysler's 426. A smaller engine can't be fairly compared to a larger engine unless it's given an advantage of i's own such as nitrous or a blower for instance.


i see what you're saying. i think that if Ford wanted to really get back into the power wars, they would offer at least the 331 in the 'stang. i mean it's obvious that Ford knows how to get power out of a motor, 300hp from a 4.6 is great. imagine if they really put some money into a 331 or a 351?? that would deffinitely give GM guys a run for their money