RE: stang vs. nissan gtr?
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 4/29/2008 9:08:58 PM
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tached_out
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whos to say you cant do suspension mods to a corvette? then you just roll onto the highway and walk the he!! out of a turbo car while you are still all motor.
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C6 ZO6>everything else.
Yep, because that's EXACTLY what the GT-R and Z06 are made for. Straight line racing on the open highway. Oh wait, no they're not. Wake up dude...
Maybe you should wake up "dude".
A corvette sounds better
A corvette is faster
A corvette looks better
You can make a corvette handle a lot better in the twisties than it does stock
Personally when does racing in turns even matter? I cant think of the last time I raced someone on the street and had to out turn them.
WRONG,
Had an 06 Vette and traded in on my wifes 08 Highlander Hybrid. Corvettes are for old men (no offense to the old men here ) I had the choice to drive the Vett or the mustang and it wasn't even a close choice.
I don't know about you but I would not mind driving a white Z06 with some black wheels and a turbo system :)
Its sad though that my fav thing about the vett are the doors lol those sensors are so awesome
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 4/30/2008 6:54:27 AM
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sawyer
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whos to say you cant do suspension mods to a corvette? then you just roll onto the highway and walk the he!! out of a turbo car while you are still all motor.
once again
C6 ZO6>everything else.
Yep, because that's EXACTLY what the GT-R and Z06 are made for. Straight line racing on the open highway. Oh wait, no they're not. Wake up dude...
Maybe you should wake up "dude".
A corvette sounds better
A corvette is faster
A corvette looks better
You can make a corvette handle a lot better in the twisties than it does stock
Personally when does racing in turns even matter? I cant think of the last time I raced someone on the street and had to out turn them.
WRONG,
Had an 06 Vette and traded in on my wifes 08 Highlander Hybrid. Corvettes are for old men (no offense to the old men here) I had the choice to drive the Vett or the mustang and it wasn't even a close choice.
I don't know about you but I would not mind driving a white Z06 with some black wheels and a turbo system :)
Its sad though that my fav thing about the vett are the doors lol those sensors are so awesome
The z06 would be a different animal for sure. The doors were cool for the first week. The bad part about the key system is that the battery went dead in the garage and I could not get in the car to release the hood to jump it. I lost the little plastic pos key to enter through the hatch and had to have the pos towed to the dealer
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 4/30/2008 9:10:31 AM
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Androdz2
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well.. since we already beat it in the looks department...  (I know a lot of people like the gtr looks).. you'd probably be looking at a modaddict setup and blow it away.. at the track what times were they saying? high tens? so.. atleast building the motor+F/I and suspension.. and more.. but im sure you could beat it in the 1/4 with less than 1/2 as much money as it would cost to own one.. but it does seem like a great car to have..
Erm you are forgetting something the 4wd lol. It can hit high 10's easily with its daily driving tires not drag radials or nothing. Also you are expecting the GT-R to be stock, a fully modded gt-r I sadly think will be out of our league in the street.
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well since we were talking about 1/4 mile tracks awd vs Rwd w/slicks.. either one should be able to get traction just fine if done properly. (and I believe i saw a report saying U.S. spec GT-R would be more like high 11s-low 12s, not high 10s but maybe im wrong)
2nd to scg about what the average person does with a vehicle does matter.. if the average person only uses their gun for cracking a nut (6 out of 10 people) then yes, it would matter which was best for nut cracking... ofcourse the average owner of supercars.. you are right, i'll bet only 1 or 2 out of 10 owners actually takes them to a track to race them like they are intended.. you'll probably be upset once the GTR comes out and you hear all of these highway and 1/4 mile kill stories of highly modded cars pwning GTRs.. overall it sounds like a phenomenal beast with a low price tag but it sounds like nissan just wants to try to compete with the corvettes for low-cost very fast cars.. I'm sure with R&D+build cost nissan is even be losing money on this project, but jthey want the status..
The GT-R has already proven to be a consistent mid 11 sec car.
There is no excuse to bash or hate on a car for something it was not designed to do. PERIOD. That's like me saying the Corvette Z06, or ANY other RWD supercar for that matter, sucks because it can't be driven quickly in inclement weather.
And I can give a sh!t less about highway kill stories by posers who only know how to drive in a straight line. Besides, for everyone of those there are, there'll be another untold one where it raped the hell out of some car from a stoplight.
As for your last part, you're wrong. Do you REALLY think Nissan would build a car they'd lose money on??? Come on. Nissan won't lose a dime w/ the GT-R. And the 911 Turbo was the target used when developing the GT-R....
Yeap the gtr is a straight track only car :) lol
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=3&fID=0&tID=10073
6:55* -- 178.699 km/h -- Radical SR8, 360 PS/650 kg, Michael Vergers (sep,28 05), (*street-legal only in the UK)
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/news_folder/nord0905/index.php
www.radicalextremesportscars.com/media/track_race_ring/index.php
7:11* -- 172.07 km/h -- McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car), Mika Hakkinen, www.sps-automotive.com/en_sps/track/07Nt_zonda.html (* not an official source)
7:12* -- 171.67 km/h -- Radical SR3 Turbo, 320 PS/500 kg (test drive 07/03) (*mfr.)
7:14.89 171.18 km/h – Donkervoort D8 270 RS, , 350 PS/600 kg, Michael Düchting (nov,6 05), http://autoweek.nl/newsdisp.php?cache=no&ID=4199
7:15.63 169.31 km/h -- Edo Porsche 996 GT2 RS, 542 PS/1284 kg, Patrick Simons (sport auto 09/05), www.edo-competition.de/fileadmin/MEDIA/VIDEO/nordschleife_runde.avi
www.chpltd.com/911_porsche_world/ringmeister.html
7:18.01 170.24 km/h -- Donkervoort D8 RS, 370 PS/670 kg, Michael Duechting, sport auto 12/2004 http://speed.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=2&tID=13957
7:19* -- 168.93 km/h -- Radical SR3 1500 Turbo, Phil Bennet (jun,15 03) (*mfr.), www.radicalmotorsport.com/news_folder/nordchliefe/index.php
www.radicalsportscars.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
7:22.9 - 169.07 km/h -- Loaded BMW M3 CSL (tuned to GTR specs) ~600 PS, Richard Göransson (nov,5 07) www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=17133
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVeZ2F_vlZM#GU5U2spHI_4
7:24* -- 169.65 km/h -- Lexus LF-A, 552 PS/??? kg *unofficial, according to http://motormagazine.co.jp/2007/12/20081_4.html
www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214086/lexus_lfa.html
7:27.82 167.20 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 641 PS/1230 kg, Marc Basseng (EVO #112) www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228650/
www.supercarmovies.com/html/contentEPISODE5movie.php
7:28* -- 166.65 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, * company test driver Walther Roehrl (Autobild 07/04)
7:31 --- 164.38 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl according to www.automotorsport.se/tv/?m=11159
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Pagani Zonda F, 650 PS/1230 kg (*mfr.) www.autodrome-cannes.com/index-eng.asp
7:32* -- 164.07 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl (*mfr.) www.caranddriver.com/previews/14155/first-drive-2008-porsche-911-gt2.html
7:32.18 - 164.07 km/h Porsche 997 GT2, 530 PS/ 1440 kg, company test driver Walter Roehrl www.autobild.de/artikel/Themen-Testberichte-Duell-am-Ring_422642.html
7:32.44 163.91 km/h -- Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/ 1475 kg, definitive time Horst von Saurma (sport auto 01/04)
7:32.52 163.88 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 EVO, Wolfgang Kaufmann (sport auto 01) , [link=http://www.gemballa.com/news/gtr6002.html]www.gemballa.com/ne
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 5/1/2008 9:09:41 PM
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Androdz2
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they started talking about twisties w/e man dont talk with me or anything. It is not like I will learn anything from you more like you from me :)
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if you thought the 7:38 was good
http://www.motorauthority.com/news/s...ing-in-7m-29s/
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CASCAIS, Portugal — Carlos Ghosn, Nissan president and CEO, announced today that at Germany's famed Nürburgring, on April 16-17, 2008, a production Nissan GT-R achieved a lap time of 7 minutes, 29 seconds, making it the fastest production car ever to lap the Nürburgring circuit. (Earlier, a GT-R posted a 7-minute, 38-second lap time, establishing it as one of the world's fastest production cars.)
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 5/2/2008 1:11:01 AM
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SECOND fastest. the fastest is the Pagani Zonda F with a lap time of 7:27.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/4071123.002/pagani-zonda-f-breaks-nurburgring-production-car-lap-record
but, keep in mind, the V-Spec is still on its way. and i'm sure with the power bump and weight loss, it'll shed those 2 seconds pretty easily.
what an amazing car...
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 5/3/2008 1:30:40 AM
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tached_out
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again the thread was about beating a GT-R not a modded GT-R the battle can go back and fowarth for ever. Then I would just get a twin turbo T-76 with a 5.4 Block with a Hogans intake Manifold and run 30 lbs of boost with a 300 shot of nitrous. Its a never ending arguement. That past statement was sarcasim if no one noticed.
Its going to take allot to beat a stock GT-R keep in mind they come with 20's. I would love to see how much they improve just by changing out to smaller wheels and more side wall. It should be fun though might give me a reason to drive around on some slicks lol
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 5/3/2008 8:18:06 AM
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i heard somewhere that the gtr's tires are not run flats and is barely dot approved. thats the only reason y its that quick and can pull .99g on the skidpad. get rid of those run flat tires on the vette and im sure it would beat 3.3 0-60 and its already pullin .98g so it would be over 1g atleast.
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RE: stang vs. nissan gtr? - 5/4/2008 11:26:43 AM
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Firstly, the ZR-1 Nurburgring times have not been released officially. All of the speculation on the internet is based on some hear say and conjecture. Most of the reports come from a day when the track was damp. We don't even know who was driving or what they were testing.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/GeneralFuture/articleId=125496?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1.*
Let's just wait and see exactly what the REAL time is before we start talking absolutes. Ok? Stating rumor as fact isn't lying, but it is deceptive.
Anyway, for $70k + dealer mark up I don't think I'll ever have to worry about buying a GT-R. Not that I'd buy a Japanese car, anyway...
The special editions of the Corvette have always been interesting, but the key to the Corvette is world class performance for half the price. It's all about the "base" model.
A supercar that anyone can afford...eventually, since you can always buy used. That's why the Corvette has been around since 1953 and has legions more fans. It's going to be many years before you see any GT-R cruises, meets, or clubs, if ever...or anything that approaches the 'vette or Mustang after market.
Heck, if I had $70k, then I'd probably buy a boring 2008 Z51 Corvette for $45k and just save the other $25k. It's nice to get 30 mpg on the highway and have 24 cubic feet of trunk space...
Everyone likes Mustangs and Corvettes, even non-car people. Except for maybe a lot of ricers. I guess I'd be jealous, too, if I had to keep explaining to people how much they should be impressed by an expensive unattractive car that not many people have heard of.
I'm sure who ever buys a GT-R will get tired of people asking, "Why did you pay that much for a Nissan?". That would put a chip on anyone's shoulder!
You're also forgetting that the C7 Corvette will be here shortly. 2010 for the 2011 model year, right?
While I will say that your post is the least fanboyish one thus far, you still make a few points that need to be addressed-
Noone was quoting 'Ring times for the ZR1, except the guy on page one. BUT, as of now, the ZR1 has been running 7:35ish laps from reports. The GT-R V-Spec has been turning mid 7:20's. Whether or not the ZR1 will post better times remains to be seen. I'm sure it will, but then again, there's prolly still room for improvement for the V-Spec as well.
The Vette is by no means a supercar. Maybe in relative terms to the everyman's everday car, but that's it.
There are tons of GT-R meets and get togethers already. And the GT-R has never even been sold stateside. Are you aware of the following and icon status the GT-R nameplate has??? The car is a legend in foreign markets. And they're so sought after, people pay to have them imported and converted to US specs to make them legal for street use.
Not everyone likes the Mustang and Corvette, either. If they did, they would have no competitors, and they wouldn't have the bad stigmas that goes along w/ their ownership. Corvette drivers are balding men in their midlife crisis using their garage queen to pick up young girls. Mustang owners are senseless, toothless hillbillies who think NASCAR is real racing. Are those stereotypes true??? Of course not. But they exist for reason. There is a drop of truth in every stereotype, and they wouldn't exist if there was noone who didn't like the cars.
The GT-R has an aftermarket like you wouldn't believe. Skyline GT-R's have been the darling of the Japanese tuning market for ages. Everyone jumped on the bandwagon as soon as the GT-R was announced, racing to be the first to crack the ECU, and offer upgrades for it. How many American cars do you know of that supposedly have an 'unhackable' ECU, but there are tunes available before the car even goes on sale??
Paying 70K is for a Nissan is NO different than paying 70K for a Chevy. Or 100K for a Chevy when the ZR1 comes. Or paying 150-250K for a Ford. None of the three are premier, upscale brands. None have aura and mystique applied to their manufacturer badge alone. All three are commonplace, everday brands. People just can't wrap their minds around a 70K Nissan because of their bias towards Domestics.
You missed my point entirely.
My point is the Corvette is about the base vehicle. Not about special editions. Special editions fuel interest only to sell more C6 Corvettes.
What vehicle does Nissan manufacturer for $45k that will keep up with a C6?
As I said in my post, I would not spend $70k on any vehicle or in this case $70k + plus huge dealer mark up. Same thing goes for the GT500KR, ZR-1, etc.
The GT-R will be marked up by dealers at least $15k on top of that...it won't cost $70k, it will be closer to $85k to $90k. If I were forced to spend that on cars, I'd just get a GT-500 and a C6.
I hate to foster an ugly stereotype, but it seems like the loudest advocates on GT-R are people who will never own one. I'm willing to bet that many don't even own cars that could keep up with my C5 on a track. Sure, the GT-R will smoke an S197 Mustang, but that only matters if you can buy it. For the few thousand people that buy this car...good for them.
As far as world class, I guess it's a subjective term. The Corvette has been compared frequently with the Porsche 911. It's been that way for years. If the 911 is not world class, then I suppose your definition of world class is quite narrow. That's up to you, though. I won't argue semantics.
Americans are great at providing a good, solid vehicle at a reasonable price point. I'd rather have a less than perfect car I can afford (and that's faster than many more expensive vehicles!), then be forced to drive a dull hatchback, while I read articles about vehicles I can never own.
Yes, I'm aware of the fan base of the Skyline in Asia and Europe. Are you aware of the far greater fan base of the Corvette and Mustang in the United States? If people didn't like these cars, then they wouldn't sell so many of them...
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