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ORIGINAL: Androdz2

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

well.. since we already beat it in the looks department...   (I know a lot of people like the gtr looks).. you'd probably be looking at a modaddict setup and blow it away..  at the track what times were they saying? high tens?  so.. atleast building the motor+F/I and suspension.. and more.. but im sure you could beat it in the 1/4 with less than 1/2 as much money as it would cost to own one.. but it does seem like a great car to have..

Erm you are forgetting something the 4wd lol.  It can hit high 10's easily with its daily driving tires not drag radials or nothing.  Also you are expecting the GT-R to be stock, a fully modded gt-r I sadly think will be out of our league in the street.

Andrew

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ORIGINAL: Texotic

if you see a GT-R on the road, it probably won't be modded and definitely will not be near as capable as it is at a track. Nissan went to great lengths to make sure owners didn't abuse these cars. They are all equipped with GPS systems that allow Nissan to know if the car is at a track or not. The GT-R's tune somewhat hinders the car, there's a conservative rev limiter, etc. to "unlock" the car to be track ready, the GPS has to recognize you're at a Nissan approved track. if you leave the track, it locks itself again. also, if you unlock the car at a track, you have 24 hours to take the car back to a Nissan Dealership for them to give it a "check-up" for $1000. they also have the wheels hooked up to the ecu and if it recognizes aftermarket rims, it'll throw codes and won't perform right. same with the tires. there's a lot of these things. this car hates mods and it hates roads. if you meet one at a track with the tune unlocked, then be scared... otherwise, i wouldn't worry too much.

regardless, the conservative tune will still give us a run on the street easily, but if you have a low 12/high 11 second car, it'd probably be close.

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

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ORIGINAL: Androdz2

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

well.. since we already beat it in the looks department...   (I know a lot of people like the gtr looks).. you'd probably be looking at a modaddict setup and blow it away..  at the track what times were they saying? high tens?  so.. atleast building the motor+F/I and suspension.. and more.. but im sure you could beat it in the 1/4 with less than 1/2 as much money as it would cost to own one.. but it does seem like a great car to have..

Erm you are forgetting something the 4wd lol.  It can hit high 10's easily with its daily driving tires not drag radials or nothing.  Also you are expecting the GT-R to be stock, a fully modded gt-r I sadly think will be out of our league in the street.

Andrew

well since we were talking about 1/4 mile tracks awd vs Rwd w/slicks.. either one should be able to get traction just fine if done properly.  (and I believe i saw a report saying U.S. spec GT-R would be more like high 11s-low 12s, not high 10s but maybe im wrong)

2nd to scg about what the average person does with a vehicle does matter.. if the average person only uses their gun for cracking a nut (6 out of 10 people) then yes, it would matter which was best for nut cracking...  ofcourse the average owner of supercars.. you are right, i'll bet only 1 or 2 out of 10 owners actually takes them to a track to race them like they are intended.. you'll probably be upset once the GTR comes out and you hear all of these highway and 1/4 mile kill stories of highly modded cars pwning GTRs..  overall it sounds like a phenomenal beast with a low price tag but it sounds like nissan just wants to try to compete with the corvettes for low-cost very fast cars..  I'm sure with R&D+build cost nissan is even be losing money on this project, but jthey want the status..

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ORIGINAL: scg87

...Or paying 150-250K for a Ford. None of the three are premier, upscale brands. None have aura and mystique applied to their manufacturer badge alone. All three are commonplace, everday brands.

What your saying is because it's a Ford, it's not a great car. Just because it's a Ford...

Almost every car company have a bucket load of bad to alright cars, and they have select few that are better then the rest..

Chevrolet - Corvette
Ford - GT
Dodge - Viper
Nissan - GT-R
Even Honda - NSX

Just because it's Ford or Chevrolet doesnt mean its a bad car...


Oh, and the aftermarket for the Skyline GT-R is pretty big, but how big is it going to be for a car that is going to be so rare?

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ORIGINAL: Texotic

if you see a GT-R on the road, it probably won't be modded and definitely will not be near as capable as it is at a track. Nissan went to great lengths to make sure owners didn't abuse these cars. They are all equipped with GPS systems that allow Nissan to know if the car is at a track or not. The GT-R's tune somewhat hinders the car, there's a conservative rev limiter, etc. to "unlock" the car to be track ready, the GPS has to recognize you're at a Nissan approved track. if you leave the track, it locks itself again. also, if you unlock the car at a track, you have 24 hours to take the car back to a Nissan Dealership for them to give it a "check-up" for $1000. they also have the wheels hooked up to the ecu and if it recognizes aftermarket rims, it'll throw codes and won't perform right. same with the tires. there's a lot of these things. this car hates mods and it hates roads. if you meet one at a track with the tune unlocked, then be scared... otherwise, i wouldn't worry too much.

regardless, the conservative tune will still give us a run on the street easily, but if you have a low 12/high 11 second car, it'd probably be close.

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

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ORIGINAL: Androdz2

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ORIGINAL: Mishri

well.. since we already beat it in the looks department...   (I know a lot of people like the gtr looks).. you'd probably be looking at a modaddict setup and blow it away..  at the track what times were they saying? high tens?  so.. atleast building the motor+F/I and suspension.. and more.. but im sure you could beat it in the 1/4 with less than 1/2 as much money as it would cost to own one.. but it does seem like a great car to have..

Erm you are forgetting something the 4wd lol.  It can hit high 10's easily with its daily driving tires not drag radials or nothing.  Also you are expecting the GT-R to be stock, a fully modded gt-r I sadly think will be out of our league in the street.

Andrew

well since we were talking about 1/4 mile tracks awd vs Rwd w/slicks.. either one should be able to get traction just fine if done properly.  (and I believe i saw a report saying U.S. spec GT-R would be more like high 11s-low 12s, not high 10s but maybe im wrong)

2nd to scg about what the average person does with a vehicle does matter.. if the average person only uses their gun for cracking a nut (6 out of 10 people) then yes, it would matter which was best for nut cracking...  ofcourse the average owner of supercars.. you are right, i'll bet only 1 or 2 out of 10 owners actually takes them to a track to race them like they are intended.. you'll probably be upset once the GTR comes out and you hear all of these highway and 1/4 mile kill stories of highly modded cars pwning GTRs..  overall it sounds like a phenomenal beast with a low price tag but it sounds like nissan just wants to try to compete with the corvettes for low-cost very fast cars..  I'm sure with R&D+build cost nissan is even be losing money on this project, but jthey want the status..

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ORIGINAL: Texotic

call BS all you guys want.

this discusses the roadblocks as far as modifications are concerned:
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/02/07/nissan-gt-r-cant-take-aftermarket-wheels-unapproved-race-track/

the gps system limits the car to 111 in Japan and then unlocks at pre-approved tracks. the US-Spec won't have the GPS system, but it DOES have a 156 mph speed limiter that won't be able to be unlocked regardless. you have to mod the ECU to change that and from the sound of that, modding the ECU is looking to be difficult.

here's info on the electronic US-spec limitations. looks like it only controls top-speed, i thought it also cut down on other systems as well.
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/22/nissan-gt-r-recognizes-tracks-via-gps-removes-speed-limiter/

so, yes it DOES affect US-Spec cars

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ORIGINAL: scg87

The GT-R has already proven to be a consistent mid 11 sec car.

There is no excuse to bash or hate on a car for something it was not designed to do. PERIOD. That's like me saying the Corvette Z06, or ANY other RWD supercar for that matter, sucks because it can't be driven quickly in inclement weather.

And I can give a sh!t less about highway kill stories by posers who only know how to drive in a straight line. Besides, for everyone of those there are, there'll be another untold one where it raped the hell out of some car from a stoplight.

As for your last part, you're wrong. Do you REALLY think Nissan would build a car they'd lose money on??? Come on. Nissan won't lose a dime w/ the GT-R. And the 911 Turbo was the target used when developing the GT-R....

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ORIGINAL: scg87

It won't be that hard to tune. Mine's, ACR, MCR, and others already have a tune out for the car. Wheels don't harm the ECU either. Both the Harrison Autoworks car and the MCR use aftermarket wheels on their cars for the track. There will just be limite wheel options that will work w/ the car.

At any rate, if I owned one, I'd most def tune it. It's running such a conservative tune from the factory. I'd also put an exhaust and coilover setup on it. 300lbs worth of weight reduction wouldn't hurt it either...

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ORIGINAL: white07

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ORIGINAL: white07

whos to say you cant do suspension mods to a corvette? then you just roll onto the highway and walk the he!! out of a turbo car while you are still all motor.

once again
C6 ZO6>everything else.

Yep, because that's EXACTLY what the GT-R and Z06 are made for. Straight line racing on the open highway. Oh wait, no they're not. Wake up dude...

Maybe you should wake up "dude".
A corvette sounds better
A corvette is faster
A corvette looks better
You can make a corvette handle a lot better in the twisties than it does stock
Personally when does racing in turns even matter? I cant think of the last time I raced someone on the street and had to out turn them.

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ORIGINAL: onederful100

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R
1/4 mile = 11.6 @ 118 mph
0-60 in 3.2-3.8 sec
475 rwhp/ 457 tq
3836 lbs. curb wt.
price 66-$72k
sawyer or modaddict would definately murder this car in the 1/4 mile.
road course would be a totally different animal.